Re: ORIGIN OF THE WORD "HINDU" -Presentation by Ven. Swami Vigyananandji (HOW OLD IS HINDUU RELIGION AND HINDUU YEAR)

[Anil Bhanot]

The word probably originated from Rig Vedic times in my opinion but
it's use only becomes necessary when there are a different people to
compare for.

Christians and Muslims created that need as each sought to convert the
infidels - human cattle - to their assumed true way of life. Only last
week I had a debate with a Canadian Christian on the radio here in the
UK, who argued the morality of proselytising and I said it was 100%
immoral. When you see such people you realise how important it is to
be a proud Hindu. You give them one small weakness - even a different
name for Hindu - he will pounce on you, definitely your children.

In today's world of information flow globablly, it is important to
recognise the need for the identity Hindu. Indians who are ashamed of
their Hindu identity harm us the Indian diaspora also as they allow
others to disrespect us as a 'people'. You can see Newspapers abroad
they will always print a derogatory picture when they run a Hindu
story. It comes not from them but the lack of pride by the Hindus they
meet in India. I have confronted the journalists and that is the
impression I get.

Hope people can regain pride in their heritage.

Anil Bhanot OBE
london

On Monday, February 14, 2011, bhagwat goel <bhagwat...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:
> SHRIMAN:    I totally agree. Not important when it started.  WHAT IS IMPORTANT IS INDIA IS HINDUSTHAN, INDIANS ARE HINDUS . 'HINDU' DENOTES THE NATIONALITY OF EVERY INDIAN. Those who deny this deny THEIR CITIZENSHIP OF INDIA. EVEN TODAY IN MUSLIM WORDS FOR ARABS India is 'HIND' and INDIANS ARE 'HINDIS', THEY USE IT FOR HINDUS,MUSLIMS etall. THOSE WHO VISITED SHOULD CHECK THERE VISAS. FOR IRAN,AFGHANISTAN,CENTRAL ASIA - FARSI SPEAKING, INDIA IS HINDUSTAN AND ,'HINDU' IS OUR NATIONALITY. Iran writes it as 'hinduki'.
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> Namaste!
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> You did not accept Dr Ranjeet Singh's learned quotations about the word "Hindu" on the grounds that they failed the test of antiquity and challenged him to quote from older sources!
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> Now, please find time go through the attached file titled "Origin of Hindu Name" - a document deeply researched and presented by Ven. Swami Vigyananandji (IIT Scholar), Joint General Secretary, Vishva Hindu Parishad (Int'L Coordination). You may make a STUDIED interaction with Ven. Swami Vigyananandji on the subject at <vigya...@yahoo.com> and <vishw...@gmail.com>,  for further clarifications, if you are still not satisfied with his research.
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> Puraans ref. given by youare not valid as their origin are very late than these scriptures.
> Request-Don't Q the above and give only the refrence as requested.
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> In your response to Shri Bhagavaandaas Ji on his post ‘How Old is Hindu Dharma’, you have made the remark and asserted: “There is no reference to the word HINDUU in the scriptures.”
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> Apropos the above, most respectfully we would like to place the following few quotes for your kind information and attention.
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> १. हिन्दुधर्मप्रलोप्तारो जायन्ते चक्रवर्तिनः।
>      हीनञ्च दूशत्येव स  हिन्दुरित्युच्यते प्रिये ।।  (मेरुतन्त्र प्रकाश २२)
> २. बलिना कलिनाssच्छन्ने धर्मे कवलिते कलौ ।
>      अवनी यवनैः क्रान्ता हिन्दवो विन्ध्यमविशन्। (कालिका पुराण)
> ३. हिमालयं  समारभ्य  यावदिन्दुसरोवरम्।
>      तं देवनिर्मितं देशं हिन्दुस्थानम् प्रचक्षते ।।  (बार्हस्पत्य शास्त्र)
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> ४. स्थापिता तेन मर्यादा म्लेच्छार्याणाम् पृथक् पृथक् ।
>      सिन्धुस्थानमिति ज्ञेयं राष्ट्रमार्यस्य चौत्तमम् ।। (भविष्य पुराण प्रतिसर्ग ३:२:२०)
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> ५. ......सप्त हिन्दुस्तथैव च हीनञ्च ।
>      हफ़्त हिन्दुस्यावनी च ..........।। (भविष्य
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> ६. हिनस्ति तपसा पापान् दैहिकान् दुष्टमानसकान् ।
>      हेतिभिः    शत्रुवर्गांश्च     स    हिन्दुरभिधीयते ।। (पारिजात हरण नाटक)
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> ७. हिंसया दूयते यश्च सदाचरण तत्परः ।
>     वेद गो प्रतिमा सेवी स हिन्दु मुखशब्दभाक् ।। (प्रभाकर श्रीधर रोड़े उद्धृत वृद्धस्मृति वचनम्)
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> There is no reference to the word HINDUU in the scriptures. However you may be interested in the following info:
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> Brahma Era (Vedic Era for Universal creation): 15,55,21,97,29,49,113 (155 trillion years).
> Kalpa or Sristi Era (Vedic Era for biological creation on Earth): 1,97,29,49,113 (1.9 billion years).
> Manvantara Era: 12,05,33,113
> Tikha Samvat: 6919
> Saptarshi Samvat: Ardra 87 or 5187 (starting from Magha April 9)
> Yudhisthir Samvat: 5185
> Kaliyug Era: 5113 (starting from Daksinayana i.e. 21st June)
> Buddha Samvat: 3848 (starting on May 23)
> Mahavir Nirvana Samvat: 2538 (Starts on Nov. 1)
> Vikrami Samvat: 2068 (Starting on Caitra Sukla 1)
> Saka Samvat: 1934 (starting on Phalguna Sukla 12)
> Kalchuri Samvat: 1760
> Vallabhi or Gupta Samvat:
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> Harsha Samvat: 1405
> Nanakshahi Samvat: 543 (starting on March 15)
> Khalsa Samvat: 313 (starting on April 13)
> Dayananda: 129 (starting on Phalguna Krsna 10)
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> Extracted from 2011 World Vedic Calendar/Almanac compiled by Dr Ravi Prakash Arya, world renowned Sanskrit scholar.
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Anil Bhanot OBE
www.bhanot.co.uk : www.ritatrust.org

[Anil Bhanot]

Btw I say from Rig Vedic times because of the words Dev and Asur as
leaders of people living on either side of Indus, Sindhu, with their
leader Inder fighting the Asurs on the other side of Indus etc. The
conception of the word is there and may have been used colloquially by
the other side to refer the Indus people as a group. It does not
matter if it did not make to the books only when people came to
convert to their ideologies.
Anil Bhanot

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[Shiban Raina]

EVEN FOR CHINESE AND EASTERN CIVILIZATIONS ,SO WAS THE CASE WITH GREEKS AND PERSIAN EMPIRESIT WAS INDI OR HINDI FOR PEOPLE LIVING IN THE SUBCONTINENT.XTIANS AND MUSLIMS WERE NOT IN THE PICTURE THEN AT ALL.SR

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> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 13:15:29 +0000
> Subject: Re: ORIGIN OF THE WORD "HINDU" -Presentation by Ven. Swami Vigyananandji (HOW OLD IS HINDUU RELIGION AND HINDUU YEAR)
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> > Now, please find time go through the attached file titled "Origin of Hindu Name" - a document deeply researched and presented by Ven. Swami Vigyananandji (IIT Scholar), Joint General Secretary, Vishva Hindu Parishad (Int'L Coordination). You may make a STUDIED interaction with Ven. Swami Vigyananandji on the subject at and , for further clarifications, if you are still not satisfied with his research.

> > हफ़्त हिन्दुस्यावनी च ..........।। (भविष्य

> > --- On Sat, 12/25/10, bhagavaandaas tyaagi wrote:

[Rabinder Koul]

Anil Ji: Rigveda calls the region Sapta Sindhu. Here Sindhu means river.  In fact Rigveda does not know of Sindhu Nadi, Vitasta, Vipasa etc in its earliest family mandalas. The rivers it talks about is Jahnaavi (Currently pronounced as Jhaanavi) i.e Ganga. It appears only twice in the names of the river, but is one of the first rivers mentioned.  The most important river, and the river on whose Banks Rigveda was composed, is Saraswati. It appears more than 100 times. And is praised the most, The Sindhu appear in very late Mandalas. In 10th Mandala, in the Nadi_Stuti, it is one of the last rivers mentioned, starting from Saraswati.  It is here where all the rivers in the current Pakistan get mentioned.

On the other hand Zorastrian text Avestas and Gathas call this region as "Hafta-Haindava". This is where the first cognate of Hindu appears. The ancestors of Zprastrins (called ANUs)  occupied the west bank of Saraswati, where as the Purus occupied the Eastern Bank. These ANU Drahyu tribes,  had a sequence of wars with the Sudas (an ancestor of Pandvas/Kauravas). Which they lost. The most major of these wars is called Dasa-Ranjana war. (i.e war of ten Kings). The 10 Kimgs were against Sudas, who with the help of Maharishi Vishista defeated the enemy near Ravi (called Rutabhaga). The text of Zorastrians overlaps with teh later parts of Rigveda.

Ravindra Koul

अस्मद्रूपसमाविष्ठ: स्वात्मनात्मानिवारणे 

शिव: करोतु निजया नम: शक्त्या ततात्मने 

[Rabinder Koul]

Like a good boy, Indian accepts any name they are given. So Goel ji's
assertion that Arabs call us Hindu, so we must be Hindus. Talk of
Mental colonization...

Ravindra Koul
अस्मद्रूपसमाविष्ठ:

स्वात्मनात्मानिवारणे

शिव: करोतु निजया नम:
शक्त्या ततात्मने

[Rabinder Koul]

Deva and Asur both these words are used in Rigveda. Where as Deva
means shinning one, the Assur means teh powerful one..

Ravindra Koul
अस्मद्रूपसमाविष्ठ:
स्वात्मनात्मानिवारणे
शिव: करोतु निजया नम:
शक्त्या ततात्मने

[Rabinder Koul]

Bhagwat Goel ji:

Dharma is not religion... Talk of colonization ...

Ravindra Koul

अस्मद्रूपसमाविष्ठ: स्वात्मनात्मानिवारणे 

शिव: करोतु निजया नम: शक्त्या ततात्मने 

On Feb 14, 2011, at 11:12 AM, bhagwat goel wrote:

Anil Ji:

                      you are right. WE HINDUS START CONTROVERSIES ON THINGS THAT ARE WELL ESTABLISHED. Recently a controversy was started on yoga being Hindu. CAN ANYBODY erase this fact. BY CREATING CONTROVERSIES WE OURSELVES PUT QUESTION MARKS ON OURSELVES.  We are fighting for HINDU RASHTRA forgetting everything else.  CAN ANYBODY ERASE THE FACT THAT HINDUSTHAN IS HINDU RASHTRA?

 

IN THIS AGE WHEN STRONG MOVEMENT IS ON ABOUT 'UNIVERSAL RELIGION' BEST CANDIDATE IS HINDU/SANATANA DHARMA THEREBY EXPANDING OUR AREA OF INFLUENCE ALL OVER. HINDU/SANATAN DHARMA, encompasses VISHWA AND PEOPLE AROUND THERE.

 

LET US TALK OF OUR UNIVERSALISM, AND LEAVE TEACHING OF THICK RELIGION FOR SEEKERS.  In West once they come to know they go deep in it.

 

It is also true that this main aspect of ours gave us weakness leading to 1100 years slavery.  BUT TODAY WE CAN TURN IT INTO STRENGTH BECAUSE IT IS AGE OF INFORMATION  and we can also bring in our own doubting thomases. OUR DIVISIONS IN CASTES & PANTHS MUST BE CONVERGED.,and ended. THAT SHOULD BE OUR MAIN GOAL.  WE ARE THE ONES ON STRONG FOOTING.

 

Bhagwat Goel,

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From: Anil Bhanot <bhano...@gmail.com>
To: bhagwat goel <bhagwat...@yahoo.co.in>
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Subject: Re: ORIGIN OF THE WORD "HINDU" -Presentation by Ven. Swami Vigyananandji (HOW OLD IS HINDUU RELIGION AND HINDUU YEAR)

[kp.mishra]

how can the sanatana dharma originate at any point of time? it is eternal like GOD. THE IDENTITY OF INDIANS IS  HINDIHE HAM-AS ALREADY WRITTEN BY THE FAMOUS POET ........... NOBODY WILL DISPUTE  THE IDENTITY -HINDUSTANI-BHARATIY-WHATEVER HIS FAITH.  BHARATBARSH UTHIBE ABAR JAGIBE ABAR NISCHIT. THIS  QUOTE IS FROM SWAMI SWARUPANANDA PARAMHANS .

[kp.mishra]

WHY AN INDIAN  WHOSE RELIGION IS HINDUISM BE ASHAMED TO DECLARE HIS RELIGION WHICH  HIS FAITH AND TO WHICH HE IS BORN. SIMILARLY IF SOME INDIAN IS BORN SIKH OR PARSI OR SAY BUDDHIST  OR ANY OTHER RELIGIONIST HE WILL DECLARE HIS RELIGION ACCORDINGLY.  THE CONSTITUTION OF INDIA GUARANTEES FREEDOM OF RELIGION. ONE SHOULD NOT HIDE HIS FAITH BUT CAN BE SECULAR IN HIS  APPROACH TO LIFE.

[Anil Bhanot]

It is not Arabs, who were just nomads, but the then cousin civilisation of Persia who called the Indus valley civilisation Hindus. That was not mental colonisation at all. But now we are Hindus and should be proud of our identity. The point was that any form of self pity is harmful to us as 'Hindus' now as a group......I always say that British did not divide us we do it ourselves, and we are masters at it.

anil bhanot

SRISHTI SAMVAT सृष्टि  संवत IS MUCH OLDER THAN HUMAN SAMVAT मानव संवत , HUMAN SAMVAT IS MUCH OLDER THAN DHARM SAMVAT धर्म संवत. THERE ARE MANY SAMVATS --- sat yug samvat सत-युग संवत, tretaa  samvat त्रेता-संवत, dvaapar  samvat  द्वापर- संवत, kali yug  samvat कलि-युग संवत  --- KALI YUG SAMVAT कलि-युग संवत  IS 5111 YEARS OLD .

IN SUCH A LONG TIME THERE WERE MANY KINGS WHO RULED THIS EARTH . SOME OF THESE KINGS STARTED THEIR OWN SAMVAT . ONE OF THEM WAS  KING VIKRAM विक्रम WHO STARTED VIKRAM SAMVAT विक्रम संवत WHICH IS ABOUT 2070 or 2067 YEAR OLD .


AT THE TIME OF INDEPENDENCE INDIAN GOVT. IGNORED ALL SAMVATS AND ACCEPTED VIKRAM SAMVAT विक्रम संवत  WHICH IS ABOUT 2067 TO 2070 YEARS OLD .THAT DOES NOT MEAN HINDUU DHARM IS 2070 OR 2067 YEARS OLD -----

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Anil Bhanot OBE
www.bhanot.co.uk : www.ritatrust.org

[Anil Bhanot]

People should demand that the name of India be changed to Hindustan officially then since India was a foriegn name and although Bharat refers to all areas including Afghanistan and Burma the only last enduring name of the country before occupation was Hindustan, and therefore after independence should automatically revert to.

anil bhanot

On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 11:25 AM, bhagwat goel <bhagwat...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

Mr Kaul's Statement is wrong.  WHAT I SAID WAS THAT DESPITE CHANGE IN NAME TO BHARAT & INDIA.  ISLAMIC WORLD STILL  RECOGNISES THAT INDIA is HIND & HINDUSTAN and HINDU IS NATIONALITY OF EVERY INDIAN IRRESPECTIVE OF RELIGION.

For God's sake come out of all this AND BE ASSURED THAT WE ARE HINDUS, OUR NATIONALITY IS HINDU AND HINDUSTAN IS 'HINDU RASHTRA' of atleast 110 CCrore Indians excluding those who call themselves seperate qom. WHY MUST EVER DOUBT THIS?

LET ME ADD, MAJORITY OF INDIANS PARTICULARLY IN VILLAGES INDIA IS STILL HINDUSTAN AND ALSO IN MANY COUNTRIES. What kind of pride in our identity if we refuse to take it settled and keep on questioning in?

I REPEAT WHAT I SAID, PERSIANS STILL  OFFICIALLY DECLARE OUR NATIONALITY 'HINDU', which we ourselves dont do. Please understand its meaning and import.

 

Bhagwat Goel,

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From: Anil Bhanot <bhano...@gmail.com>

To: Rabinder Koul <arr...@ameritech.net>
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Subject: Re: ORIGIN OF THE WORD "HINDU" -Presentation by Ven. Swami Vigyananandji (HOW OLD IS HINDUU RELIGION AND HINDUU YEAR)

[Trishool]

Agreed, no where in Ramayana and Mahabharata, the word Hindu is mentioned, but many places SINDHU JATI, SINDHU SAGAR, etc, has been mentioned.  BUT NOW WE ARE KNOWN AS HINDUS, ALL OVER THE WORLD, NO ONE KNOWS, THE WORD SINDHU, EXCEPT SINDHU RIVER, IN SINDH, WHERE OLD CIVILIZATION, SABHYATA, OF MOAN JO DHARO IS POPULAR.  Lal --- On Mon, 2/14/11, Rabinder Koul <arr...@ameritech.net> wrote:

[Shiban Raina]

IQBAL;- HINDI HAIN HUM  VATTAN HAIHINDOSTAN HAMARA,SARE JEHAN SE ACHHA---

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> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 08:18:48 +0000
> Subject: Re: ORIGIN OF THE WORD "HINDU" -Presentation by Ven. Swami

> Vigyananandji (HOW OLD IS HINDUU RELIGION AND HINDUU YEAR)

> From: bhano...@gmail.com
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> It is not Arabs, who were just nomads, but the then cousin civilisation
> of Persia who called the Indus valley civilisation Hindus. That was not
> mental colonisation at all. But now we are Hindus and should be proud
> of our identity. The point was that any form of self pity is harmful to
> us as 'Hindus' now as a group......I always say that British did not
> divide us we do it ourselves, and we are masters at it.
> anil bhanot
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> On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 1:46 AM, Rabinder Koul

> > and

> >, for further
> clarifications, if you are still not satisfied with his research.
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> - Goutam Chatterjee
> VHP, RKP-6, New Delhi-22
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> Dr. Ranjeet
> Please give ref of word hindu from Vedas,Ramayna,Mahabharat.
> Puraans ref. given by youare not valid as their origin are very late
> than these scriptures.
> Request-Don't Q the above and give only the refrence as requested.
> Naveen
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> From: ranjeet singh
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> Maananeeya Shri Ashwini Kumar jee,
> In your response to Shri Bhagavaandaas Ji on his post ‘How Old is Hindu
> Dharma’, you have made the remark and asserted: “There is no reference
> to the word HINDUU in the scriptures.”
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> Apropos the above, most respectfully we would like to place the
> following few quotes for your kind information and attention.
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> १. हिन्दुधर्मप्रलोप्तारो जायन्ते चक्रवर्तिनः।
> हीनञ्च दूशत्येव स हिन्दुरित्युच्यते प्रिये ।। (मेरुतन्त्र प्रकाश २२)
> २. बलिना कलिनाssच्छन्ने धर्मे कवलिते कलौ ।
> अवनी यवनैः क्रान्ता हिन्दवो विन्ध्यमविशन्। (कालिका पुराण)
> ३. हिमालयं समारभ्य यावदिन्दुसरोवरम्।
> तं देवनिर्मितं देशं हिन्दुस्थानम् प्रचक्षते ।। (बार्हस्पत्य शास्त्र)
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> ४. स्थापिता तेन मर्यादा म्लेच्छार्याणाम् पृथक् पृथक् ।
> सिन्धुस्थानमिति ज्ञेयं राष्ट्रमार्यस्य चौत्तमम् ।। (भविष्य पुराण
> प्रतिसर्ग ३:२:२०)
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> ५. ......सप्त हिन्दुस्तथैव च हीनञ्च ।

> हफ़्त हिन्दुस्यावनी च ..........।। (भविष्य

> > wrote:

[Arjun]

While it is true that the term “Hindu” may have been foreign in origin (even though it refers to and derives its name from a geographic location within Bharatavarsa) and that foreigners used this term as a derogatory label, it is simply a lie to claim that the Hindu people feel this way about the word “Hindu”.   In actual fact, the Vijaynagar Empire was proud to call itself “Hindu” in its long struggle to maintain and preserve our culture. Shivaji and his Maratha followers were also proud to call themselves “Hindus”.  Indeed, countless children of Hinduism were proud to fight and protect their culture in the true heroic and Dharmic traditions taught by Krishna in the Gita.  For your benefit, we quote some epigraphic evidence and its implication as cited on pages 8 and 9 of “Hindus and Hinduism: Manipulation of Meanings” by Sita Ram Goel:   ‘The Somalpuram Grant of the Vijayanagara king Virupaksa is dated Saka samvat 1389 (AD 1467). It describes the king (“in the glowing fire of whose valour, the Turushkas were scorched up”) as “elevated by the titles such as hinduraya-suratrana”. In the Hempe inscription of Krishnadevaraya, dated Saka samvat 1430 (AD 1508), the hinduraya-suratrana is described as the “destroyer of rogue tigers.” The hint is more than clear: rogue tigers are the Muslim invaders. The same description of him is found in his Udayambakam Grant dated Saka samvat 1450 (AD 1528), two years before he died. In an inscription found at the holy city of Gaya in Bihar, the Vijayanagara king Acyutadevaraya is eulogised as “hinduraya-suratrana, the firm establisher of the Hindu kingdom.” His Unamanjeri Plate issued in Saka samvat 1462 (AD 1540) calls him not only hinduraya-suratrana but also induvamsa-sikhamani (the jewel in the crown of the lunar dynasty). The same applause is reserved for Sadasivaraya in his Kanuma Grant dated Saka samvat 1478 (AD 1556).’   ‘Thus by the middle of the fourteenth century, the word “Hindu” had dropped the derogatory associations imposed on it by the Iranians and the Islamic invaders, and acquired a lot of lustre in the eyes of our countrymen. Native heroes such as Maharana Kumbhakarna and Krishnadevraya, who defeated the Islamic onslaught, were hailed as the Hindu heroes in subsequent centuries. Padmanabha uses the word “Hindu” for glorification of the Chauhana heroes of Jalor in his epic poem, Kanhadade-prabandha, which he composed in AD 1455. It will not be long before Maharana Pratapa Simha of Mewar becomes renowned as hindu-kula-kamala-divakara, that is, the Sun which brings bloom to the lotus that is the Hindu nation. Chhatrapati Shivaji, who turned back the tide of Islamic invasion and inaugurated the war of liberation from Islamic imperialism, will be hailed all over Bharatavarsa as the saviour of Hindu Dharma and the protector of its significant symbols - gau-brahmana, sikha-sutra, devamurti-devalaya, and so on. So also Guru Gobind Singh, and Maharaja Chhatrasal.’   ‘And the word “Hindu” stood sanctified when Sanatana Dharma became known as Hindu Dharma. Numerous saint-poets arose in all parts of Bharatavarsa who sang hymns in praise of Hindu Dharma, and who reminded their countrymen that they were inheritors of a great and vast spiritual vision.’   “A warrior relaxes and abandons himself; he fears nothing.Only then will the powers that guide human destiny open the road for a warrior and aid him. Only then….” --- On Tue, 15/2/11, Anil Bhanot <bhano...@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Anil Bhanot <bhano...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: ORIGIN OF THE WORD "HINDU" -Presentation by Ven. Swami Vigyananandji (HOW OLD IS HINDUU RELIGION AND HINDUU YEAR) To: "Rabinder Koul" <arr...@ameritech.net>

[bhagwat goel]

KINDLY STOP THIS SELF DESTRUCTIVE DEBATE:  WE ARE HINDUS, OUR NATIONALITY IS HINDUS, HINDU LAW OF LAND DESCRIBES HINDUS ALMOST ALL PANTHS BORN HERE, BHARAT IS A HINDU RASHTRA OF OVER 1200 MILLION HINDUS.

THOSE WHO DENY BEING HINDUS DENY BEING CITIZENS OF INDIA. WE ARE HINDU RASHTRA. We are not Hindu State by Choice.

HOW WORD HINDU ORIGINATED IS NOT MATERIAL ANY MORE.why must we put question marks on us?

Bhagwat Goel

 

 

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From: Arjun <arjun...@yahoo.co.uk>
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Sent: Wed, 16 February, 2011 3:21:09 PM

[Arjun]

Hindus are those who believe in Hinduism regardless if they are indians or not because  otherwise all those jehadis and xitian missionaries born there in Hindustan and who intend to destroy hinduism suddenly makes them hindus which they definitely are not and dont want to called either..

“A warrior relaxes and abandons himself; he fears nothing.Only then will the powers that guide human destiny open the road for a warrior and aid him. Only then….”

--- On Wed, 16/2/11, bhagwat goel <bhagwat...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

[Trishool]

Fully agreed.  Lal

--- On Wed, 2/16/11, bhagwat goel <bhagwat...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

From: bhagwat goel <bhagwat...@yahoo.co.in> Subject: Re: ORIGIN OF THE WORD "HINDU" -Presentation by Ven. Swami Vigyananandji (HOW OLD IS HINDUU RELIGION AND HINDUU YEAR)

To: "Arjun" <arjun...@yahoo.co.uk>, "Rabinder Koul" <arr...@ameritech.net>, desi...@googlegroups.com, bhano...@gmail.com

[Trishool]

KINDLY STOP THIS SELF DESTRUCTIVE DEBATE:  WE ARE HINDUS, OUR NATIONALITY IS HINDUS, HINDU LAW OF LAND DESCRIBES HINDUS ALMOST ALL PANTHS BORN HERE, BHARAT IS A HINDU RASHTRA OF OVER 1200 MILLION HINDUS. THOSE WHO DENY BEING HINDUS DENY BEING CITIZENS OF INDIA. WE ARE HINDU RASHTRA. We are not Hindu State by Choice. HOW WORD HINDU ORIGINATED IS NOT MATERIAL ANY MORE.why must we put question marks on us? Bhagwat Goel

I fully agree with the statement of Bhagwat ji.  Har Har Mahadev Lal --- On Wed, 2/16/11, Arjun <arjun...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

[kp.mishra]

WHY CANNOT ALL WHO LIVE IN INDIA CALL THEM BHARATBASI AND PROFESS THEIR OWN RELIGION?  HINDU,MUSLIM SIKH ,ISHAI-APAS MEIN SAB BHAI BHAI. INDIA BELONGS TO ALL INDIANS.ONE SHOULD NOT BE FANATIC BUT RELIGIOUS AND GOD FEARING. GOD BELONGS TO ALL AND ALL ARE THE CREATURES OF LORD HARI.BASUDHAIBA KUTUMBAKAM. PARASPARO DEVOBHABA. THE AGE OF SARBA SAMANWAYA IS COMING FAST. THINK ALOUD OF SARBA DHARMA SAMBHABA.

----- Original Message -----
From: Trishool <lalh...@yahoo.com>
Date: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 11:33 pm
Subject: Re: ORIGIN OF THE WORD "HINDU" -Presentation by Ven. Swami Vigyananandji (HOW OLD IS HINDUU RELIGION AND HINDUU YEAR)
To: Rabinder Koul <arr...@ameritech.net>, desi...@googlegroups.com, bhano...@gmail.com, bhagwat goel <bhagwat...@yahoo.co.in>
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> > > KINDLY STOP THIS SELF DESTRUCTIVE DEBATE: WE ARE HINDUS, OUR NATIONALITY IS HINDUS, HINDU LAW OF LAND DESCRIBES HINDUS ALMOST ALL PANTHS BORN HERE,BHARAT IS A HINDU RASHTRA OF OVER 1200 MILLION HINDUS. > > THOSE WHO DENY BEING HINDUS DENY BEING CITIZENS OF INDIA.WE ARE HINDU RASHTRA. We are not Hindu State by Choice.

> It is not Arabs, who were just nomads, but thethen cousin civilisation of Persia who called the Indus valley civilisation Hindus. That was not mental colonisation at all. But now we are Hindus and should be proud of our identity. The point was that any form of self pity is harmful to us as 'Hindus' now as a group......I always say that British did not divide us we do it ourselves, and we are masters at it.

> > >

>

[kp.mishra]

has anybody got the guts to tell that a HINDU as NON-HINDU?  SO WHY IS THE FUSS ABOUT/ LIVE AND LET LIVE-THAT IS THE CONCLUSION.

----- Original Message -----
From: Trishool <lalh...@yahoo.com>
Date: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 11:33 pm

Subject: Re: ORIGIN OF THE WORD "HINDU" -Presentation by Ven. Swami Vigyananandji (HOW OLD IS HINDUU RELIGION AND HINDUU YEAR)
To: Rabinder Koul <arr...@ameritech.net>, desi...@googlegroups.com, bhano...@gmail.com, bhagwat goel <bhagwat...@yahoo.co.in>
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> > > KINDLY STOP THIS SELF DESTRUCTIVE DEBATE: WE ARE HINDUS, OUR NATIONALITY IS HINDUS, HINDU LAW OF LAND DESCRIBES HINDUS ALMOST ALL PANTHS BORN HERE,BHARAT IS A HINDU RASHTRA OF OVER 1200 MILLION HINDUS. > > THOSE WHO DENY BEING HINDUS DENY BEING CITIZENS OF INDIA.WE ARE HINDU RASHTRA. We are not Hindu State by Choice.

> It is not Arabs, who were just nomads, but thethen cousin civilisation of Persia who called the Indus valley civilisation Hindus. That was not mental colonisation at all. But now we are Hindus and should be proud of our identity. The point was that any form of self pity is harmful to us as 'Hindus' now as a group......I always say that British did not divide us we do it ourselves, and we are masters at it.

> > >

>

[kp.mishra]

theTHE SANATANA DHARMA -LATER CHRISTENED AS HINDU DHARMA EXISTS FROM TIME IMMEMORIAL AND SO ALSO THE HINDUS-RELIGIONS LIKE CHRISTIANITY ,ISLAM AND SIKHISM ETC CAME LATER.-THIS NOBODY DENIES.

----- Original Message -----
From: Trishool <lalh...@yahoo.com>
Date: Wednesday, February 16, 2011 11:33 pm

Subject: Re: ORIGIN OF THE WORD "HINDU" -Presentation by Ven. Swami Vigyananandji (HOW OLD IS HINDUU RELIGION AND HINDUU YEAR)
To: Rabinder Koul <arr...@ameritech.net>, desi...@googlegroups.com, bhano...@gmail.com, bhagwat goel <bhagwat...@yahoo.co.in>
Cc: VHP DELHI HQs DELHI <vhpin...@gmail.com>, "naveen...@yahoo.co.in" <naveen...@yahoo.co.in>, "bhagav...@yahoo.ca" <bhagav...@yahoo.ca>, "rbrahmac...@gmail.com" <rbrahmac...@gmail.com>, "live_by...@yahoo.co.uk" <live_by...@yahoo.co.uk>, "aryayou...@yahoogroups.com" <aryayou...@yahoogroups.com>, "ashwini...@yahoo.ca" <ashwini...@yahoo.ca>, "ablgu...@gmail.com" <ablgu...@gmail.com>, "vigya...@yahoo.com" <vigya...@yahoo.com>, "vishw...@gmail.com" <vishw...@gmail.com>, "ia...@yahoogroups.com" <ia...@yahoogroups.com>, "fhrs...@yahoogroups.com" <fhrs...@yahoogroups.com>, "drmna...@yahoo.co.uk" <drmna...@yahoo.co.uk>, "bga...@comcast.net" <bga...@comcast.net>, "kata...@aol.com" <kata...@aol.com>, "rcha...@gmail.com" <rcha...@gmail.com>, "arthash...@airtel.in" <arthash...@airtel.in>, "in...@rssonnet.org" <in...@rssonnet.org>, "desi...@googlegroups.com" <desi...@googlegroups.com>, "satya...@googlegroups.com" <satya...@googlegroups.com>, Prem Sabhlok <psab...@hotmail.com>

> > > KINDLY STOP THIS SELF DESTRUCTIVE DEBATE: WE ARE HINDUS, OUR NATIONALITY IS HINDUS, HINDU LAW OF LAND DESCRIBES HINDUS ALMOST ALL PANTHS BORN HERE,BHARAT IS A HINDU RASHTRA OF OVER 1200 MILLION HINDUS. > > THOSE WHO DENY BEING HINDUS DENY BEING CITIZENS OF INDIA.WE ARE HINDU RASHTRA. We are not Hindu State by Choice.

> It is not Arabs, who were just nomads, but thethen cousin civilisation of Persia who called the Indus valley civilisation Hindus. That was not mental colonisation at all. But now we are Hindus and should be proud of our identity. The point was that any form of self pity is harmful to us as 'Hindus' now as a group......I always say that British did not divide us we do it ourselves, and we are masters at it.

> > >

>

[kp.mishra]

SANATANA CANNOT BE OLD. IT IS BEYOND  BIRTH AND DEATH.

----- Original Message -----
From: Trishool <lalh...@yahoo.com>

> Fully agreed.

> It is not Arabs, who were just nomads, but thethen cousin civilisation of Persia who called the Indus valley civilisation Hindus. That was not mental colonisation at all. But now we are Hindus and should be proud of our identity. The point was that any form of self pity is harmful to us as 'Hindus' now as a group......I always say that British did not divide us we do it ourselves, and we are masters at it.

> >

>

[Albert Arul prakash]

Guys,

I am not against changing the name to something else, however, changing to Hindustan would make everyone think that India too joint the hands of Radicals (like Muslim Radicals, christian radicls etc,) who wants their country named after their religion.

we crib about others and when we come to us, we too follow the same. can we be different.

Just a thought

Thanks

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From: Anil Bhanot <bhano...@gmail.com>

To: bhagwat goel <bhagwat...@yahoo.co.in>
Cc: Rabinder Koul <arr...@ameritech.net>; VHP DELHI HQs DELHI <vhpin...@gmail.com>; "naveen...@yahoo.co.in" <naveen...@yahoo.co.in>; "bhagav...@yahoo.ca" <bhagav...@yahoo.ca>; "rbrahmac...@gmail.com" <rbrahmac...@gmail.com>; "live_by...@yahoo.co.uk" <live_by...@yahoo.co.uk>; "aryayou...@yahoogroups.com" <aryayou...@yahoogroups.com>; "ashwini...@yahoo.ca" <ashwini...@yahoo.ca>; "ablgu...@gmail.com" <ablgu...@gmail.com>; "vigya...@yahoo.com" <vigya...@yahoo.com>; "vishw...@gmail.com" <vishw...@gmail.com>; "ia...@yahoogroups.com" <ia...@yahoogroups.com>; "fhrs...@yahoogroups.com" <fhrs...@yahoogroups.com>; "drmna...@yahoo.co.uk" <drmna...@yahoo.co.uk>; "bga...@comcast.net" <bga...@comcast.net>; "kata...@aol.com" <kata...@aol.com>; "rcha...@gmail.com" <rcha...@gmail.com>; "arthash...@airtel.in" <arthash...@airtel.in>; "in...@rssonnet.org" <in...@rssonnet.org>; "desi...@googlegroups.com" <desi...@googlegroups.com>; "satya...@googlegroups.com" <satya...@googlegroups.com>; Prem Sabhlok <psab...@hotmail.com>
Sent: Tue, 15 February, 2011 5:12:22 PM

[Anil Bhanot]

No, Albert, it will give Christians and Muslims one common identity as Christians enjoyed before Islamists invasions and Muslims and Hindus enjoyed under Akbar's time. Otherwise India is already radicalised - Kashmiri Islamists, Nexalites, Maoists - and the roots of radicalism blares out to India, even the world, through channels like 'Peace TV' or through the art of MF Hussain or the politics of Dynasty Raj, these are some of the root causes of radicalisation not poverty and lack of education, which are it's symptoms only. 

My point was simply that once you have the common name like Hindustan, with its own heritage which is equally important, all Indians irrespective of their religion will look to their common heritage rather than as now there seems to be an increasing level of polarisation. 

Well as an outsider that's how I see it. 

Here in the UK for instance we have our freedom of worship but the Govt. policy is to ascribe to Britishness first. India has no such policy, it's anything goes policy. 

Your fear perhaps of bringing religion into identity politics I can understand and I would agree that religion and state should be independent, except in an advisory link, but Hindustan should represent the culture and heritage of the land not the religion. 

Anil Bhanot OBE

London

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[Anil Bhanot]

To clarify 'dynasty politics' below I mean whenever I go to India I
see the picture of Sonia Gandhi alongside the PM Manmohan Singh, who
by himself I respect as a great person but I feel a sense of shame
seeing that Indians still need to see the Gandhi dynasty alongside
him, sort of to give him credibility. Of course it comes through bad
Govt. Policy which is not for the Nation to excel into it's own
greatness but keep it divided to feed dynasty politics.
Anil Bhanot

On Sunday, February 20, 2011, Anil Bhanot <bhano...@gmail.com> wrote:
> No, Albert, it will give Christians and Muslims one common identity as Christians enjoyed before Islamists invasions and Muslims and Hindus enjoyed under Akbar's time. Otherwise India is already radicalised - Kashmiri Islamists, Nexalites, Maoists - and the roots of radicalism blares out to India, even the world, through channels like 'Peace TV' or through the art of MF Hussain or the politics of Dynasty Raj, these are some of the root causes of radicalisation not poverty and lack of education, which are it's symptoms only. My point was simply that once you have the common name like Hindustan, with its own heritage which is equally important, all Indians irrespective of their religion will look to their common heritage rather than as now there seems to be an increasing level of polarisation. Well as an outsider that's how I see it. Here in the UK for instance we have our freedom of worship but the Govt. policy is to ascribe to Britishness first. India has no such policy, it's anything goes policy. Your fear perhaps of bringing religion into identity politics I can understand and I would agree that religion and state should be independent, except in an advisory link, but Hindustan should represent the culture and heritage of the land not the religion. Anil Bhanot OBE
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> On 19 Feb 2011, at 14:21, Albert Arul prakash <albertin...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Guys,
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> I am not against changing the name to something else, however, changing to Hindustan would make everyone think that India too joint the hands of Radicals (like Muslim Radicals, christian radicls etc,) who wants their country named after their religion.
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> we crib about others and when we come to us, we too follow the same. can we be different.
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> Just a thought
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> Thanks
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[madan gupta]

Buddha Samvat: 3848 (starting on May 23) Mahavir Nirvana Samvat: 2538 (Starts on Nov. 1)

Hon. Learned.... I have heard from vedic scholars that Lord Budha & Mahavir Swami came almost in the same era. But according to your calendar there is a difference of 1310 years, between Budha & Mahavir. Please be kind enough to clarify. Thanks.   Sincerely, madan gupta

--- On Sun, 2/20/11, Anil Bhanot <bhano...@gmail.com> wrote:

[kp.mishra]

SAREJAHANSE ACHHA HINDUSTAAN HAMARA, HAM BULBUL HAI USKI YE GULISTAN HAMARA, EVERY HINDY IS PROUD OF HIS RELIGION,HE MAY BE AN INDIAN OR A NRI. BUR HE LOVES HIS FELLOW RELIGIONIST AS HE IS NOT FANATIC BUT BROAD AND SPIRITUAL. THAT IS BASHUDHAIBA KUTUMBAKAM.ALL RELIGIONS LEAD TO GOD. JATO MAT TATO PATH. BUT THE GEETA SAYA SWADHARME NIDHANAMSREYA............ SO STICK TO YOUR PATH OM PEACE ,PEACE,PEACE.

----- Original Message -----
From: madan gupta <madang...@yahoo.com>
Date: Monday, February 21, 2011 10:28 am
Subject: Re: ORIGIN OF THE WORD "HINDU" -Presentation by Ven. Swami Vigyananandji (HOW OLD IS HINDUU RELIGION AND HINDUU YEAR)
To: desi...@googlegroups.com

Buddha Samvat: 3848 (starting on May 23) Mahavir Nirvana Samvat: 2538 (Starts on Nov. 1)

Hon. Learned.... I have heard from vedic scholars that Lord Budha & Mahavir Swami came almost in the same era. But according to your calendar there is a difference of 1310 years, between Budha &Mahavir. Please be kind enough to clarify. Thanks.

Peopleshould demand that the name of India be changed to Hindustan officially then since India was a foriegn name and although Bharat refers to all areas including Afghanistan and Burma the only last enduring name of the country before occupation was Hindustan, and therefore after independence should automatically revert to. anil bhanot

On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 11:25 AM, bhagwat goel <bhagwat...@yahoo.co.in> wrote:

Mr Kaul's Statement is wrong. WHAT I SAID WAS THAT DESPITE CHANGE IN NAME TO BHARAT & INDIA. ISLAMIC WORLD STILL RECOGNISES THAT INDIA is HIND & HINDUSTAN and HINDU IS NATIONALITY OF EVERY INDIAN IRRESPECTIVE OF RELIGION. For God's sake come out of all this AND BE ASSURED THAT WE ARE HINDUS, OUR NATIONALITY IS HINDU AND HINDUSTAN IS 'HINDU RASHTRA' of atleast 110 CCrore Indians excluding those who call themselves seperate qom. WHY MUST EVER DOUBT THIS? LET ME ADD, MAJORITY OF INDIANS PARTICULARLY IN VILLAGES INDIA IS STILL HINDUSTAN AND ALSO IN MANY COUNTRIES. What kind of pride in our identity if we refuse to take it settled and keep on questioning in? I REPEAT WHAT I SAID, PERSIANS STILL OFFICIALLY DECLARE OUR NATIONALITY 'HINDU', which we ourselves dont do. Please understand its meaning and import. Bhagwat Goel,

From: Anil Bhanot <bhano...@gmail.com> To: Rabinder Koul <arr...@ameritech.net> Cc: bhagwat goel <bhagwat...@yahoo.co.in>; VHP DELHI HQs DELHI <vhpin...@gmail.com>; "naveen...@yahoo.co.in" <naveen...@yahoo.co.in>; "bhagav...@yahoo.ca" <bhagav...@yahoo.ca>; "rbrahmac...@gmail.com" <rbrahmac...@gmail.com>; "live_by...@yahoo.co.uk" <live_by...@yahoo.co.uk>; "aryayou...@yahoogroups.com" <aryayou...@yahoogroups.com>; "ashwini...@yahoo.ca" <ashwini...@yahoo.ca>; "ablgu...@gmail.com" <ablgu...@gmail.com>; "vigya...@yahoo.com" <vigya...@yahoo.com>; "vishw...@gmail.com" <vishw...@gmail.com>; "ia...@yahoogroups.com" <ia...@yahoogroups.com>; "fhrs...@yahoogroups.com" <fhrs...@yahoogroups.com>; "drmna...@yahoo.co.uk" <drmna...@yahoo.co.uk>; "bga...@comcast.net" <bga...@comcast.net>; "kata...@aol.com" <kata...@aol.com>; "rcha...@gmail.com" <rcha...@gmail.com>; "arthash...@airtel.in" <arthash...@airtel.in>; "in...@rssonnet.org" <in...@rssonnet.org>; "desi...@googlegroups.com" <desi...@googlegroups.com>; "satya...@googlegroups.com" <satya...@googlegroups.com>; Prem Sabhlok <psab...@hotmail.com> Sent: Tue, 15 February, 2011 1:48:48 PM Subject: Re: ORIGIN OF THE WORD "HINDU" -Presentation by Ven. Swami Vigyananandji (HOW OLD IS HINDUU RELIGION AND HINDUU YEAR)

It is not Arabs, who were just nomads, but thethen cousin civilisation of Persia who called the Indus valley civilisation Hindus. That was not mental colonisation at all. But now we are Hindus and should be proud of our identity. The point was that any form of self pity is harmful to us as 'Hindus' now as a group......I always say that British did not divide us we do it ourselves, and we are masters at it.

[Anil Bhanot]

When a pure Indian like Swami Ramdev is called a 'bloody Indian' by an MP because the Indian Swami was preaching against Government corruption then surely there is something wrong at the very core of this nation's establishment - Indians in their own country have become bloody Indians, usually the term is used to describe 'bloody foreigners' - I am more convinced that the root problem lies in 'dynasty politics', and a lack of heritage based national identity like Hindustani.

 

Here is the link to the video of a 'bloody Indian', shameful...... http://ibnlive.in.com/news/cong-mp-uses-foul-language-against-baba-ramdev/143762-3.html

 

Anil Bhanot

[Prem Sabhlok]

Hindu word is used in three diffrenet contexts.
Hindu as resident of Hindustan
Hindu Religion word coined by British during the first ever Census in India. Whatever religions, sects, cults originated from India like Jainism, Buddhism, Hindu Dharma/Santan Dharma, Sikhism,  Kabir panthi, Ganpatias, Valmikis and many others they combined in Hindu relgion. Whatever religions originated from out side India they kept separete in the Census.
Hindu Dharma is the most ancient Dharma also known as Vedic Dharma/Santan Dharma.
Thus in India there are over 80% members of Hindu religion but exact percentage of follower of Hindu Dharma is not known.
Some followers of Sikh Dharma, Arya Samaj, Rama Krishna Mission and others went to the Court that they are not part of Hindu religion. High Courts did not accpet their plea.  
 
But fact remains followers of Hindu Dharma are less than 80%. All this is happeening because we are deviating fron Vedic teachings, guidelines and metaphysics (spiritual science)
 
Revive Vedas and see their magnetic effect. India will soon have nearly 100% followers of Vedic Dharma.
 
Regards
Prem Sabhlok
 

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Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 09:57:29 -0800
From: madang...@yahoo.com

[Shailesh Mehta]

 

Greetings,

 

Shree Prem Sublok is correct..

 

Ireespective of the no of followers, the truth shall prevail.. what many recognise as Vedas... it is 100% truth.

 

 

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