= Jim Caviezel, actorul din rolul principal in filmul "Patimile lui CRISTOS !" - (Marturie tradusa in Romana) =
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Interviul lui Caviezel e despicable, de-a dreptul luind numele lui Dumnezeu in vain, facind chiar misto de Isus fin de tot pe fundalul unui credinsios adevarat, exagerind rolul lui de reprezentant sau stand-in for Jesus. De ce avem nevoie de Hollywood sau Studiourile de film de la Buftea sa ne dea noua scriptura. De ce avem nevoie de sentimentalitati care ascund adevaratul mesaj al crucii lui Isus.Nu inteleg de ce lumea crestina are nevoie de imagini, de filme facute de oameni necredinciosi care nu au nimic de a face cu credinta sau cu biblia sau cu adevaratul Dumnezeu,si nu le e suficienta scriptura, cuvintul. Dumnezeu ne-a dat Cuvintul si Cuvintul e Dumnezeu. Nu ne-a dat imaginea cu toate variantele ei.Filmul lui Mel Gibson a fost o prostie de film ce a pacalit o lume intreaga de credinciosi fuduli care nu cunosc cu adevart biblia, dindu-le o versiune catolica si nu a bibliei adevarate, desi la suprafata pare a fi viziunea corecta.
2017-04-14 3:49 GMT-04:00 'Ioan' via "DESCULTI" - ROMANIAN HOMECOMING <desculti-homecoming@googlegroups.com>:
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Daniel Motz
Este foarte clar ca toti care ati comentat aici ( I am so sorry to say this) si multi altii, nu cunoasteti evanghelia adevarata, sau nu o cunoasteti indeajuns de bine. De aceea va e asa de greu sa intelegeti citeva fapte simple prezentate in biblie. Fapte de fapt esentiale despre CRUCE. Crucea lui Isus e singura care ne poate asigura mintuirea. De aceea e important in a o cunoaste. Daca un singur lucru il cunoastem bine asta trebuie sa fie. Dau mai jos citeva idei prezentate de Dave Hunt asa de frumos incit nu pot sa fie intelese gresit decit daca ne incapatinam sa o facem, sau nu avem stomacul sa admitem ca sintem gresiti.
Filmul lui Mel Gibson e un film puternic dar este doar despre suferintele fizice ale lui Isus, si nu este un film biblic ci este un film catolic. Da, intradevar poti sa fi tulburat si provocat de suferintele Lui fizice. De fapt El nici macar nu a indurat cele mai groaznice suferinte a nimanui pe acest pamint. Asta e un simplu fapt.
Si nu au fost suferintele lui fizice care au platit pedeapsa pentru pacatele noastre. Este absurd, ne-rational –ca acesti nelegiuiti soldati romani au fost agentii lui Dumnezeu distributind pedeapsa lui Dumnezeu pentru toata omenirea, si ca,ei cumva reusind asta prin bataile lor fizice.
A fost suferinta spirituala pe care El a
indurat-o in miinile Tatalui „but it pleased Yahweh to bruise Him, he hath put him
to grief: and you made His soul an
offering for sin.” Yehova a gasit placere sa-L zdrobeasca „ Asa ca filmul iti
da impresia gresita ca sacramentele sint importante, luminarile, ritualele, si
asta te fura de la realitatea despre ce avem nevoie in sufletele noastre si in
spiritul nostru.
Cit despre facerea de filme Exodul :20:1-5 spune foarte clar:” Atunci Dumnezeu a rostit toate aceste cuvinte si a zis: 2. "Eu sunt Domnul Dumnezeul tau care te-a scos din tara Egiptului, din casa robiei.3. Sa nu ai alti dumnezei afara de Mine. 4. Sa nu-ti faci chip cioplit, nici vreo infatisare a lucrurilor care sunt sus in ceruri, sau jos pe pamant, sau in apele mai de jos decat pamantul. 5. Sa nu te inchini inaintea lor si sa nu le slujesti; caci Eu, Domnul Dumnezeul tau, sunt un Dumnezeu gelos, care pedepsesc nelegiuirea parintilor in copii, pana la al treilea si la al patrulea neam al celor ce Ma urasc,… “ Dave da si un exemplu: unii au o poza pe perete cu Isus. Aceasta poza devine Isus pentru tine, pentru multi oameni. Si mai stiti ca multi au favoritul lor Isus. Unii un macho Isus – cu barba scurta, sau cu barba lunga.Unii au un Isus efeminat. Oricare ar fi poza, la oricare nivel iti afecteaza gindirea ta despre Isus, nu este corecta, este inexacta. La fel cu toate filmele cu diversi Isusi. E o minciuna. Da, ai fost indus in eroare. “Asa ca, de acum incolo, nu mai cunoastem pe nimeni in felul lumii; si, chiar daca am cunoscut pe Hristos in felul lumii, totusi acum nu-L mai cunoastem in felul acesta.”2 Cor:5”16. El nu mai arata cum arata cind umbla prin Galilea. Are un corp inviat, glorificat.Ioan a cazut cu fata la pamint cind l-a vazut. De asemenea biblia nu este un instrument visual. Cind fac filme, totul e editorial, facatura, si derutant. Si nu conteaza cit de sincer este regizorul, te duce la rezultate diferite fata de biblie. Cum am spus si in e-mail-ul meu precedent, idea e ca oamenii cred ca inbunatatesc cuvintul lui Dumnezeu. Nu, noi sintem nascuti din nou prin CUVINT. Noi credem cuvintul. Isus e Cuvintul. Sa ne intoarcem la Cuvintul lui Dumnezeu si nu sa-l inbunatatim prin a-l transforma in actorie.
Ideea principal a lui Mel Gibson ( din famile de catolici) a fost sa evanghelizeze omenirea cu Evanghelia Catolica, care este o minciuna gogonata comparata cu adevarata Evanghelie. Dar daca nu o cunosti cu adevarat vei cumpara pe cea falsa si ti se va parea aceea chiar mai “buna” decit cea adevatata. Mai sentimentalista. Mai usor in a converti oameni cu ea. Dar la ce ii convertesti?
Si Dave Hunt mai spune ca toate aceaste idee cu filme vizuale despre Isus dovedeste o mare APOSTAZIE in zilele astea ale noastre dinspre sfirsit.
Se poate discuta foarte mult despre crucea lui Isus. Chiar azi am citit ceva foarte fain in Oswald Chambers dar nu vreau sa fac mesajul acesta foarte lung.
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Dorin Motz
Now, Religion in the News, a report and comment on religious trends and events being covered by the media. This week’s item is from Asia News, February 9, 2005, with the headline, “Mel Gibson’s Aid to Lenten Penance— ‘The evocative power of Mel Gibson’s The Passion helps us to experience Lent,’ says Archbishop Capalla. For the top Filipino bishop, The Passion of the Christ is a powerful help in evoking the sorrow caused by sin. ‘Lent’s penitential practices must help Catholics realize the malice of sin in order to repent and to evoke sorrow that leads to confession,’ writes Monsignor Fernando Capalla, Archbishop of Devao and President of Bishop’s Conference of the Philippines, in his Lent message.
“For the Archbishop, Lent can have two effects on people: it can transform their lives, and it can renew society. Both however, depend on a reawakening that comes from repentance. To reach this point, one must go through the traditional steps of the Via Crucis, as well as intense prayer and scriptural meditations, self-denial and mortification, fasting and abstinence, sacramental confession, recollection, and retreats.
“But one can also view again Mel Gibson’s The Passion of the Christ. ‘Even though it is but a human shadow of Christ’s suffering, the motion picture,’ Archbishop Capollo writes, ‘is a powerful help to evoke the sorrow caused by sin and lead us to the Sacrament of Confession. The time leading up to Easter,’ the prelate explains, ‘must lead us to experience God’s mercy and forgiveness. Our sins have been embraced by our Lord in His suffering body. Only [by] embracing the example of Jesus are we able to forego the many comforts and privileges that have weakened our spirit and prefer God above everything and everyone else. Hence, we become Christ-like—a new creation. This is what Easter means. This is what Lent must bring about.’”
Tom: Dave, this is what I grew up with as a former Roman Catholic—Lent, giving up things, mortifying the flesh, and the thing that worries me is that I see much of this now, but it’s always been a part of Anglican church, it’s always been a part of the Episcopal church and Lutheran church, but now I see this in the evangelical church. They are turning to the sacramentals, to Lent, to imagery, to candles, incense—all of these kinds of things—to draw them nearer to Christ, and see evangelical churches going through forty days of giving up this, giving up that…this is Roman Catholicism, or orthodoxy.
Dave: Well, Tom, we have been talking about denying self, and the need for humility. On the one hand, you would think that was a good thing. On the other hand, it doesn’t really accomplish much, does it? I mean, this is like Ramadan, the Muslim fast from sunrise ‘til sunup, and then he can feast and do whatever he wants the rest of the time.
Tom: Well, as Catholics, Sunday was your day off. Whatever you gave up during the week was okay on Sunday.
Dave: So here we’re going to give some things up—when? Lent, during this period of time? The Bible doesn’t say that. The Bible says, and we quoted it earlier, “I’m crucified with Christ. It’s not I but Christ that lives in me.” It should be my daily moment-by-moment experience as a Christian. Then what is the point of doing some special stuff during Lent? It’s not in the Bible. I don’t find it. Now, you could go back to The Old Testament and see that there were things similar to this, but this is not biblical Christianity. We are not under the law. Christ is supposed to be living His life in us all the time.
Furthermore, Tom, to say that The Passion helps us experience Lent—it’s a powerful help to bring our sins before us…Well, it’s a very powerful movie, and you’ve written about this more than I have, but it’s all about the physical sufferings of Christ, and it’s not biblical, and we won’t go back over that. It’s a Catholic film. But yes, you could be really worked up about the physical sufferings that Christ endured. As a matter of fact, He didn’t endure the worst physical sufferings of anyone on this earth; that’s just simple fact.
And it was not in His physical sufferings that He paid the penalty for our sins. It’s absurd—not rational—that these wicked, evil Roman soldiers were God’s ministers of righteousness meting out God’s punishment for the sins of all the world, eternal punishment, and somehow they did that with their physical beatings. Supposing they didn’t hit Him quite enough, you know? So that’s not even rational and it’s not biblical.
It was in the spiritual sufferings that He endured at the hands of the Father. “He bore our sins in His own body on the tree, but it pleased Yahweh to bruise Him, and you made His soul an offering for sin.” So now we are getting the wrong impression, and as you pointed out, it’s all a physical thing: it’s in the sacraments, it’s in the candles, it’s in the rituals, and that will only take you away from the reality of what we need in our souls and in our spirits.
Tom: The flesh profits nothing: the Scripture couldn’t be more clear about that, and when we begin to look to these helps, these aids, to draw us near to Christ, and they’re physical helps or aids, it’s just antithetical to what the Bible teaches.
Dave: Well, Tom, this is the Philippines, so I guess if you really wanted to go all the way with this, you could get yourself crucified like numbers of people do in the Philippines, and that is counter to the truth of the Word of God. So now I’m getting in this and I’m getting credit for this. What I need to do is follow Jesus, follow the Word of God, love Him with all my heart, and allow Him to have His way in me.
Tom: Dave, just one last comment about Mel Gibson’s The Passion of the Christ: people said, “What was the movie? It’s gone, no longer around.” Well, Mel sold—mainly to the evangelical church—he sold 12 million DVDs, and if you don’t think that these DVDs are going to be used during Lent in evangelical church, I think you’re missing something there.
Daniel Motz
Daniel Motz
gabi radu
Doamne in Ce Dumnezeu am ajuns sa credem?
Nu cred ca Dumnezeu a folosit orice mijloace pentru a-Si atinge scopul...si nu stiu cati in Romania au fost convertiti...Multumesc Domnului ca am trait vremurile cand in Romania credinta se baza pe Cuvant.
Va iubesc pe toti dar nu sunt de aceeasi parere cu toti.
Gabi