Ron did R1b-M343 Backbone SNP Pack

[jmdurrett]

Hi Everyone

We decided to do R1b-343 Backbone SNP Pack with family tree DNA to see what Ron would test positive for and he did test positive as you will see below. His new Haplogroup is Z209. For the cost it was worth doing. I hope this helps.

Here are the SNP's Ron was tested for

Tests Taken

Z196+, Z220+, P297+, P310+, P311+, P312+, L23+, L278+, L389+, L51+, M269+, M343+, Z209+, Z195+, Z198-, Z2103-, Z2109-, Z225-, Z251-, Z253-, Z2542-, Z255-, Z2573-, Z295-, Z296-, Z301-, Z302-, Z326-, Z36-, Z367-, Z381-, Z49-, Z8-, Z8052-, Z8056-, Z9-, M73-, MC14-, M335-, L513-, L584-, L617-, L881-, M1994-, M222-, L408-, L47-, L48-, L371-, L238-, PF3252-, PF331-, PF6610-, PF6714-, PF7562-, PF7589-, PF7600-, S1026-, S1051-, S11493-, S11601-, S12025-, S1567-, S16264-, S1688-, S18632-, S18827-, S7721-, SRY2627-, U106-, U152-, V88-, Y5058-, Z156-, Z16500-, Z17-, Z17300-, Z18-, Z1862-, A1773-, A2150-, A274-, A4670-, A517-, BY2823-, BY2868-, BY575-, BY653-, CTS10429-, CTS11567-, CTS11994-, CTS1751-, CTS3386-, CTS4466-, CTS4528-, CTS5330-, CTS5689-, CTS6937-, CTS7763-, DF103-, DF110-, DF17-, DF19-, DF21-, DF41-, DF49-, DF63-, DF81-, DF83-, DF88-, DF95-, DF99-, F2691-, F2863-, FGC10516-, FGC11134-, FGC13620-, FGC20761-, FGC22501-, FGC396-, FGC5301-, FGC5336-, FGC5344-, FGC5345-, FGC5351-, FGC5354-, FGC5356-, FGC5367-, FGC5373-, FGC5494-, FGC5798-, L1335-, L2-, L21-

SNP's he tested positive for

Z220	TRUE
Z209	TRUE
Z196	TRUE
Z195	TRUE
P312	TRUE
P311	TRUE
P310	TRUE
P297	TRUE
M343	TRUE
M269	TRUE
L51	TRUE
L389	TRUE
L278	TRUE
L23	TRUE

So new Haplogrouping is now Z220

So for now we are done doing DNA testing. Until someone thinks it will help.

Joy

[Michael A. Lewis]

    Interesting!

    Do we have an interpretation as to what this means for our ancestors?

    Michael

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[Whit Athey]

Dear Michael,

Someone else in our Lewis group had previously been found to be Z195+.  Under R-Z195 there are two subgroups, which are defined by Z274 and Z198.  Z209 defines a subgroup under Z274, so these latest results take us two levels further out "on a limb" than we had been previously.  Anyone else wanting to confirm  Ron's result, or confirm that the other Lewises indeed belong with Ron, could just test the single SNP Z209 (for $39).  Or, one of us might also try the next SNP further downstream from Z209, namely Z295, to make sure we get the same result as Ron (Ron was Z295-).  Unless more structure under Z209 is discovered (right now there is just the one subgroup under Z209, defined by Z295), we are at the end of the branch.

A simplified diagram (adapted from the ISOGG tree) may be helpful:

• • • • • • • • • • • R1b1a2a1a2a1   Z195
• • • • • • • • • • • • R1b1a2a1a2a1a   Z274
• • • • • • • • • • • • • R1b1a2a1a2a1a1   Z209
• • • • • • • • • • • • • • R1b1a2a1a2a1a1a   Z295
• • • • • • • • • • • • • R1b1a2a1a2a1a2   DF17
• • • • • • • • • • • • R1b1a2a1a2a1b   Z198

Whit

[jmdgen...@yahoo.com]

 I just found out when I posted. I haven't had time to look  into anything yet.

Joy

 Don't tell GOD how great your STORM is, tell the STORM how great your GOD is!

[Dave Lewis]

Hi, all.

 

This SNP testing will not answer any of our questions about our recent ancestry (last 500 years) at its current state of development. It is progressing rapidly, in relative terms, but it will be a few years before we get specific results for descendants from a common ancestor of our group. At this point, any commonly know SNPs cannot do any better than identifying a cousin some 2,000 years ago, if that good. Some might, but they are rare and as far as I know none pertain to us. I test these because I think it’s fun to trace forward, from the old to the new. I think my latest results place my ancestors in the UK, but before that they were certainly in what today is France, or very nearby. They were, is suspect, on the east side of the Pyrenees, but maybe the west side. At least as best I can tell. Actually that other can tell.

 

I’ve tested negative for Z295 as Ron did. I think I’m the only one in our surname group that has tested that SNP besides Ron. I’ve test positive for what is considered Z295’s brother (or parallel) SNP, S21184. And, I’ve tested positive for two more considered downstream from S21184, but they are not well defined in their order or how close in time they are to each other. I suspect they are no younger than 2,000 years. I suspect each of you in the Surname Project will track along with me until no later than 700 years ago (bit of a bold prediction, but what the heck). I did my testing at a site called YSeq, so it doesn’t show up on any of the FTDNA projects. I will test with FTDNA soon to get my results listed there.

 

Again, I don’t think testing SNPs is where our money should be spent, if we’re going to spend it. I’ll waste my money there because I enjoy it. I think testing additional STRs would be much more beneficial in unraveling the lineages of those of us who are already in the surname project and on the matches list. It might allow us to identify who is close to whom, identify their common ancestor, and get our tree defined correctly back to Edmund. Right now, it is not clear at all. If anybody is able to extend to 67 and preferably 111 STRs, it would help, particularly in those cases where the lineages are not clear. For example, the southern branch is fairly well defined, as far as we can get back. But back beyond that, it is not.

 

One thing that concerns me is this: We have lost control of two DNA samples of those on our matches list. This happened with the deaths of John Hiram Lewis, who never joined the surname project, and Jeralyn Lewis Ormsby, who had taken control of the DNA of another who had died of cancer (I can’t remember his name off the top of my head). It is possible to, with family permission, get control of their DNA and carry their research forward, judiciously because once it’s gone, it’s gone. But, that takes a little organization, and I’m too short on time for now to pull it together.

 

Anyway, I’m rambling again. These are just my thoughts and others could have different one.

 

Dave

 

 

From: descendants-o...@googlegroups.com [mailto:descendants-o...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Whit Athey
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2015 2:27 PM
To: descendants-o...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Lewis Genealogy 257] Ron did R1b-M343 Backbone SNP Pack

 

Dear Michael,

Someone else in our Lewis group had previously been found to be Z195+.  Under R-Z195 there are two subgroups, which are defined by Z274 and Z198.  Z209 defines a subgroup under Z274, so these latest results take us two levels further out "on a limb" than we had been previously.  Anyone else wanting to confirm  Ron's result, or confirm that the other Lewises indeed belong with Ron, could just test the single SNP Z209 (for $39).  Or, one of us might also try the next SNP further downstream from Z209, namely Z295, to make sure we get the same result as Ron (Ron was Z295-).  Unless more structure under Z209 is discovered (right now there is just the one subgroup under Z209, defined by Z295), we are at the end of the branch.

A simplified diagram (adapted from the ISOGG tree) may be helpful:

• • • • • • • • • • • R1b1a2a1a2a1   Z195
• • • • • • • • • • • • R1b1a2a1a2a1a   Z274
• • • • • • • • • • • • • R1b1a2a1a2a1a1   Z209
• • • • • • • • • • • • • • R1b1a2a1a2a1a1a   Z295
• • • • • • • • • • • • • R1b1a2a1a2a1a2   DF17
• • • • • • • • • • • • R1b1a2a1a2a1b   Z198

Whit



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