Interesting match to daughter of Joseph Lewis, son of Edmund Lewes
Dave Lewis
This match parallels closely with an entry in Michael's "Descendants of Edmund Lewes" PDF. Actually, it is the very last entry on this list in the version I have. Michael's entry has Sybil as the daughter of Edmund's son Joseph Lewis (b. about 1645 - Lynn, Essex County, Massachusetts, d. 24 June 1675 - Swansea, Bristol). Michael's entry is:
sp. Samuel Howard (b. - Malden, Massachusetts), m. 1700.
Geoff Lewis
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Dave Lewis
This builds on the Malden and neighboring locations and the unknown ancestors of Ron and Geoff.
Based on Michael's Descendants of Edmund Lewes, which is the basis of my knowledge of the early descendants of Edmund Lewes in Massachusetts, it appears the descendants of Edmund's son Joseph were the ones most associated with the Malden, Woburn and that general area in early Massachusetts. Woburn is 5-6 miles from Malden in a straight line. Lynn is not much further away, nor is the town of Wilmington though in a different direction from Lynn. Billerica is a bit further north yet. All are within a 15-mile radius of Malden and all but Lynn are on a general northwest heading Malden. All these locations come into play a little later in this email.
I'm concentrating on this area of MA and on Daniel, Geoff and Ron
for two reason: 1) Ron and Geoff share SNP markers below Edmund,
and 2) Daniel and Geoff share common ancestral roots in this area
of Massachusetts.
The only documented known descendant of Edmond's son Joseph active today is Daniel Cushman Lewis, whose early ancestral roots include Woburn and the area up to Billerica. Geoff's ancestral roots extend deeply into the Malden/Woburn area, and he shares two SNP markers with Ron downstream of the common markers shared by all of us who have tested Big Y. To me, this connects the three. Therefore, Geoff and Ron must share some common ancestors below Edmund.
Edmund's son John also has descendants in the Malden/Woburn area,
but their connection to this area is much weaker, and probably
came too late (late 1700s) to be considered as an valid ancestor
for those named above. This email will, therefore, concentrate on
the descendants of Joseph.
Daniel is descended from Edmund's son Joseph for his paternal y-DNA line. Here's what Daniel and Michael have for Daniel's early ancestors (including 2Joseph's daughter):
1Edmund b. 1601 UK
2Joseph b. ~1645 Lynn, d. 1675 Swansea, m. Mary Jones b. ????,
d. before 1720, m. ~1671 Swansea.
3Joseph b. 1672 Swansea, d. 1755 Wilmington; m.
Hannah Jones, b.???? Malden, d. 1760 Wilmington,
m. 1700.
4Benjamin b. 1705 Woburn, d. 1777 Billerica
5Ebenezer, b. 1750 Billerica, d. 1825
Groton
3Sybil, b. 1674, Swansea, d. unk; m. John Howard b. ???? Malden;
m. 1700.
Notes:
1. 3Joseph was approximately 3 years old and 3Sybil approximately
1 year old when their father, 2Joseph, died. It appears they both
were in the Malden/Woburn/Wilmington area following his death,
though citations are only for their adulthood. Do we have any
information on who may have raised these two children, aside from
their mother? I would assume she would have remarried. Also, are
the wives of 2Joseph and 3Joseph related as both have the maiden
name Jones?
2. Almost all of 3Joseph's children and grandchildren were born
in Woburn, Wilmington or Billerica.
3. If I remember correctly, Geoff's line also has a connections
to Woburn.
4. Ron and Geoff share two SNPs below the common SNP marker shared by all of us who have tested Big Y, and none with Daniel. Hypothetically, if 2Joseph is a common ancestor for Daniel, Ron and Geoff, I would think Ron's and Geoff's lines would not go very deeply into a common line below 2Joseph before diverging from Daniel's. And since 2Joseph died with only one son, they would also have to share 3Joseph (unless 2Joseph's widow married a related Lewis as her second husband and had children by him). If descended from 2Joseph and 3Joseph, Ron's and Geoff's most recent common ancestor would have to be one of 3Joseph's sons, since they would share 3Joseph with Daniel. Personally, I would eliminate Daniel's ancestor 4Benjamin because it would be going fairly deep into that lineage before acquiring a diverging mutation. But I will include 4Benjamin to not exclude any possibilities. So, the candidates as the most recent y-DNA common ancestor for Ron and Geoff are:
4Benjamin, b. 1705 Woburn, d. 1777 Unk; m. Elizabeth
Jaquith, b. 1708 Woburn, d. 1777, m. 1728 Woburn.
5Benjamin, b. 1729 Woburn, d. unk
5Jonathan, b. 1731 Woburn, d. unk
5James, b. 1735 Wilmington, d. unk
5John, b. 1737 Wilmington, d. unk
5Reuben, b. 1739 Wilmington, d. unk
5Samuel, b. 1746 Billerica, d. unk
5Ebenezer, b. 1750 Billerica, d. 1777 unk
4Joseph b. 1707 Woburn, d. Unknown
5Joseph, b. 1733 Wilmington, d. unk
5Timothy b. 1736 Wilmington, d. unk
4John, b. 1713 Woburn, d. 1756 Unk
5John, b. 1748 Billerica, d. unk
It appears these three brothers - 4Benjamin, 4Joseph, and 4John -
made fairly similar treks north from Walden and on a similar
timeline, based on the birth dates given for their children at
each location:
4Benjamin: Woburn > by 1735 to Wilmington > by 1746 to
Billerica
4Joseph: Woburn > by 1733 to Wilmington > ????
4John: Woburn > ???? > by 1746 to Billerica
DNA mutations are random.and do not happen on any set time line.
A line could go a few generations without mutating and then have a
couple in the next one or two generations. Without further
testing, we won't know how this worked on each of our lines.
Those affected by this analysis might see how it dovetails with their own knowledge. If it doesn't fit, explain why not and provide other opinions. Again, I would think 4Joseph or 4John would be the most recent common ancestor for Ron and Geoff, if this analysis is valid, but don't rule out 4Benjamin.
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Michael Lewis
I've attached an XLSX file with listing of all of Joseph's descendants as far as I have right now. It's complicated.
Joseph is in the top row, his descendants follow. 1. is his daughter, 1.1 is his grandchild, 1.1.1 is his Great Grandchild, etc. Follow the numbers down and you can puzzle out who is descended from whom. The list also contains birth and death info and spouses.
Michael
Michael Lewis
1. 3Joseph was approximately 3 years old and 3Sybil approximately 1 year old when their father, 2Joseph, died. It appears they both were in the Malden/Woburn/Wilmington area following his death, though citations are only for their adulthood. Do we have any information on who may have raised these two children, aside from their mother? I would assume she would have remarried. Also, are the wives of 2Joseph and 3Joseph related as both have the maiden name Jones?
- Records of the Town of Swansea. 1662 TO 1705, Alverado Hayward Mason, 1900.
- Edmund Lewis of Lynn, Massachusetts and some of his Descendants, by George Harlan Lewis, 1908
I have nor documentation of a connections between the two
Jones wives, but it's likely they were related to Robert Jones. He
was initially settled in Hull, Massachusetts Bay Colony. By
mid-September 1654, he was in Rehoboth, Massachusetts Bay Colony
and lived there for more than fifteen years. After 28 Feb 1669/70,
he moved to Swansea, Massachusetts Bay Colony. It's a small place
with lots of Joneses!
Michael
Michael Lewis
1Edmund b. 1601 UK
2Joseph b. ~1645 Lynn, d. 1675 Swansea, m. Mary Jones b. ~1654, d. before 1720, m. 13 Jun 1671 in Swansea.
3Joseph b. 1672 Swansea, d. 1755 Wilmington; m. Hannah Jones, b. in Salem, Massachusetts Bay Malden, d. 1760 Wilmington, m. 1700.
4Benjamin b. 1705 Woburn, d. 1777 Billerica
5Ebenezer, b. 1750 Billerica, d. 1825 Groton
3Sybil, b. , Swansea, d. at age 82 in Malden; m. Samuel Howard b. about in Malden; m. 1700; Died at about age 78 in Salem, Massachusetts Bay.
Michael
Dave Lewis
Thanks, Michael. I'm going through this. FYI, I've only using male descendants because they pass on the Lewis surname and the y-DNA we've. Except, for the birth dates of children after they have relocated.
I assume your information is the best available, but likely not complete. This analysis assumes the information is complete. So, we have to take it with a grain of salt and understand future information found could change the outcome.
Edmund's granddaughter Sybil got me onto this and now I can't let it go until I've exhaust it. The best knowledge says the clan of Joseph (b. 1672) was in the area of Malden/Woburn early and stayed there or nearby for a while. Daniel's lineage is a part of this clan. Geoff's lineage was in this same areas as far back as they can remember. I'm assuming their paths might have crossed at some point, though that isn't certain. I'm trying to see what the possibilities might be based on what we know, and how it might dovetail with what others know about their lineages. Blame Sybil for whatever happens.
Dave
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