Ave Maria Pdf Caccini

[Vernie Montagna]

Noway she can sing a Caccini trill.Listen to Nigel Rogers on an Archiv album of Caccini lute songs. One of

the most spectacular recordings ever made. (The CD reissue had a silvery

cover.)

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Peter T. Daniels gram...@worldnet.att.net

> Does anyone have any information on the Ave Maria by Caccini (recently

> recorded by Charlotte Church on Voice of an Angel)? I assume the

> original text included the complete hymn (Church sings only the title

> words).

Instead, let's talk about the Caccini Ave Maria itself. I have my suspicions

about this work! I think it's got a lot in common with pieces like the

Albinoni Adagio and the Rossini Cat Duet, ie. there's really no such thing

and someone's trying to pass it off.The first time I heard this Ave Maria was in Inessa Galante's recording,

where the 'arrangement' was attributed to Edward Brinums. By my reckoning it

was more wholesale recomposition than arrangement (nothing wrong with that

of course...)Has anyone heard an 'authentic' performance or even sighted the 'unarranged'

music? That would be most enlightening.There is simply no way that Giulio Caccini would have composed a melody with

such 1. melodic leaps 2. descending melodic sequences 3. late-baroque

harmonies (at best! -- you can even sing Harold Arlen's "All The Things You

Are" simultaneously to the Caccini Ave Maria, that's how modern the harmony

is.)So -- I strongly believe this is fake Caccini . Can anyone help?Lyle Chan wrote in message news:39962EC5...@hotmail.com...

> There is simply no way that Giulio Caccini would have composed a melody with

> such 1. melodic leaps 2. descending melodic sequences 3. late-baroque

> harmonies (at best! -- you can even sing Harold Arlen's "All The Things You

> Are" simultaneously to the Caccini Ave Maria, that's how modern the harmony

> is.)

> This is going to be hard but I will _not_ give in to the temptation to bury

> CC... :)

>

> Instead, let's talk about the Caccini Ave Maria itself. I have my suspicions

> about this work! I think it's got a lot in common with pieces like the

> Albinoni Adagio and the Rossini Cat Duet, ie. there's really no such thing

> and someone's trying to pass it off.

>

> The first time I heard this Ave Maria was in Inessa Galante's recording,

> where the 'arrangement' was attributed to Edward Brinums. By my reckoning it

> was more wholesale recomposition than arrangement (nothing wrong with that

> of course...)

>

> Has anyone heard an 'authentic' performance or even sighted the 'unarranged'

> music? That would be most enlightening.

>

> Lyle Chan

> I must say I've always been sceptical about it too. However, I can offer

no documentary evidence. It just sounds too unlike everything else I've

heard by Caccini and his contemporaries.--

Cheers!

Terry

In reply to Mark Ehlert: The text, what there is of it because it's just the

two words "Ave maria", is in Latin.In reply to Peter Daniel: How very interesting about the Canti Amorosi! I

will definitely check out the Rogers Archiv album -- but now I'm intrigued.

Are the melody and the harmony of the orchestral version basically intact

from the lute version?thanks y'all!Lyle Chan wrote in message

news:39980B94...@hotmail.com...

As I said, it's not on that album, because it's not a canto amoroso.

(Unless you want to take a particularly literal view of the

Annunciation; but angels are generally understood to be male but to have

no genitals.)Actually, there are only two Caccini songs on it all together. There's

lots of Monteverdi, so I suspect the CD includes the material from two

LPs. But the "Caccini trill" is a remarkable vocal effect!

> --

> Cheers!

> Terry

>I can shed no evidence on the authenticity of the piece, but I can

vouch for the Brinums arrangement being only an arrangement, as there

is an earlier version sung by Inessa Galante to solo organ

accompaniment. I also know of, but have not heard, recordings made in

Russia before the collapse of the Berlin Wall which preceded the

Galante recording. The Galante / Brinums version is derived from

Russian preservations (or adulterations?) of this particular Ave

Maria. I would love to be able to add the whole story to my website,

so I welcome any further investigations and would like to learn more.Check out

I will be quite open about the fact that I do have a sort of vested

interest in the Caccini Ave Maria, especially the Galante recordings,

but my search for knowledge here is genuine - I hate having so many

gaps in what could well be a very interesting story indeed.

Frank LangtonSent via Deja.com

Before you buy.

Do you know what sheet music was used by Brinums to make the orchestration?

Ie is it published? Was it handwritten?Inquring minds want to know!Many thanks in advanceLyle Chan"Frank Langton" wrote in message

news:8nk3ja$k14$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...

The piece was listed on various Russian vocalists' recital CDs in

catalogues I saw four or five years ago(these Russian made CDs are now

theoretically, if not actually in practice (?), available worldwide).

I regret that I do not currently have the contacts to confirm further

details, but I know Inessa Galante heard the piece in the then

communist East Europe, and it was "common knowledge" there that it was

attributed to Caccini.

Georgs Brinums arranged only the melody (in a deliberately

anachronistic style suitable for a lyric soprano). I am almost certain

no "authentic" scores were involved at that late stage. Some older

scores must exist somewhere in Russia, but again I have nobody "on the

ground" in Russia to refer to (I am in the UK). Perhaps the Internet

will eventually prove to be the best medium to unravel the history of

this piece?Frank.

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