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Saurabh Cloudas
We are on a long trip in Spain and many of our hotels have not had any English language TV stations. In a couple of apartments we have had Smart TVs and when I have gone to log into my own streaming services have found that people who have stayed there before me have not logged out. I have just been using that person's Netflix or Prime video to watch things - being careful not to watch anything that incurs a cost or anything R rated.
My view is that I am not harming "Tom and Lucy" or "Sylvia" in any material way. My husband thinks I am doing the wrong thing. I am not very tech savvy and have no idea how I would log someone else out on a Smart TV so I could log in. I do have Netflix on my iPad but sometimes the big screen is better.
Tom and Lucy may wonder why Netflix is sending them recommendations - based on your selections. I also wonder if you are reducing the ability for them to log in at home? Here are Netflix different plans I have Basic, so if it was my account, I wouldn't be able to watch from home if you were logged in as 'me'. So, for consideration, it may be better that you log them off and log in as 'you'.
That frequently happens to me staying at an AirBnB, and I usually don't worry about it. If the person who forgot to log out has account limitations like Maria's, Netflix always sends a message telling that person that there is an additional user and asks if they want to log them out. So you might be booted off in the middle of something, but you won't be depriving someone else of the chance to watch.
Notwithstanding another's failure to secure their own login information, it's not "your's" and "you" don't have permission. The moral thing to do would be to delete the login information and forget it. Just because you believe you're innocently streaming and you're not causing harm, it does not make it right.
However one thing I would do before you leave is log out of the account. Someone not as nice as you might play havoc with it. It's an easy thing to do - just go to the main profile (usually the first one listed) then go up to the profile icon in the upper right hand corner and click "Sign out of Netflix."
Camp 1 says it's okay to use the property or possession of another without their permission if these criteria are met:
a) the owner failed to properly secure his property.
b) the unauthorized use of the property did not cost the owner any money or cause him material harm
c) EDIT: must not be an illegal act.
d) EDIT: sees the issue as one of etiquette
Sometimes my neighbor goes to work and leaves his front door unlocked so I go in, get in his Barksloinger and watch his cable. No issues. No, it's not "ok". Rationalize all you want. Doesn't belong to you and it was not the owners intent to lend it to you.
Mister E, your analogy makes no sense. If if you go into your neighbor's house without his consent, regardless of what you did in there, you are "breaking and entering" and your neighbor could legally call the police and have you arrested.
However, the OP did not commit a crime. They did not break in - they are paying for the use of the lodging and for the use of the TV, which the owner has put there for them to use. If someone uses that TV and forgets to log off, why should the OP have to go to the trouble of figuring out how to log them off? That is not their problem. For all they know, it's the owner's account.
And quite frankly, you don't even know what this person's intent was. I was curious so I did a little googling and found that many people say they forget to log off all the time. Some said they deliberately do not log out because they don't care if other people use it. Either way, the onus is not on the OP - it's on the person who did not log out of their Netflix account.
Our trip is 60 days long and I have a chronic illness so in order to make the most of the foreign sights and activities I need to plan rest periods. My illness affects my eyes so reading a book isn't always an option.
Minor technical infraction at best. I wouldn't worry about it. It's true we all should be savy enough to mind our logins and security . That's the important message here. Far worse log in remainders there are.
It's criminal behavior, plain and simple without dissembling or equivocation. In 2016, the US 9th Circuit Court of Appeals (sometimes referred to as the "9th Circus Court") ruled that sharing online passwords is a crime prosecutable under the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act.
My rentals tended to come with comprehensive information on how to use the TV and streaming. Otherwise, I expect a quick note to the host requesting how to use the TV and streaming should let you know how to proceed.
My husband's family owns a beach condo that is rented out. I always make sure to log out of the streaming services I sign on to, but if I forgot I really wouldn't care if someone else used it. Unless it was Amazon Prime and they bought something with it.
The question was about etiquette. Etiquette is about your behavior in a social environment. I think borrowing someone's service without their permission is a breach of etiquette, whether or not it is legal. Even if there is no cost to the person paying for the service. Just like using my neighbors wifi for free just because he doesn't know how to set up password protection. But then we're all used to doing what we can easily get away with these days.
Mike, that opinion, which dealt with something entirely different (an employee sharing a password to access the employer's data illegally) has nothing to do with this situation, and in fact, the court addressed the fact that many people on Netflix and other streaming services share passwords without fear of criminal liability and said that those situations were exceptions.
I think everyone here (including me) is kind of going off the deep end a bit. Every one of us our own personal standards, and these standards are different than anyone else's. Regardless, this is definitely NOT criminal behavior and no one should be suggesting that it is.
"The moral thing to do would be to delete the login information and forget it." - This information is not available once the device has been logged into. You can, however, log out of the apps you are watching, not the TV itself. That is easy enough.
There is no criminal intent on the OP's part. She is not reading any personal information, does not intend to incur any extra charges, and we have to take her at her word regarding R-rated programming (ummmmm?).
Sorry but you are doing wrong but probably not for much longer as the streaming services are all cracking down on where to use it.
This is no better than using your neighbors WIFI because it's not locked down.
No, I don't log out from my Netflix account (shared family account). I have not logged out for several years. I access Netflix on my iPad (which I have with me on my trip) and on my TV at home. For my iPad my fingerprint is my password and it never asks for a specific Netflix password.
What's more concerning for me is the conscience of the dollar store owner where I bought my foam gavel. He charged me $2.00 (for the mathematically challenged, that's double what his storefront sign implies). A few days later and miles away I saw the identical gavel in a different store for $1.25. Buyer beware, I say.
The self-righteousness and judgement! Especially funny was the idea that nobody should ever watch tv while in Europe. I guess we are supposed to spend every waking minute sitting in cafs, sipping espressos, and trying not to look like tourists while imagining we are, ourselves, European (who, of course, would never, ever watch television).
And unauthorized password usage is considered fraud in Spain. Article 18-4 of the Spanish Constitution specifically provides that the use of information technology cannot be made at the expense of honour and respect of the private lives of Spanish citizens. Article 401 of the Spanish Penal Code, which sanctions the theft of civil identity with a term of imprisonment ranging from 6 months up to 3 years. It's also a privacy issue as you have access to the previous viewer's streaming information.
BB, it's not funny when the mattress tag inspector shows up to your house and you ripped the tag off while leasing the mattress. This is against the law as I didn't own it. It was embarrassing being perp-walked while my neighbors were watching. (FYI, do NOT use the blankets they give you in jail.)
In the case of unauthorized access of personal data, in article 197, the punishment can range from imprisonment between 1 to 4 years and a fine lasting between 12 and 24 months. Additionally, if the personal information is shared to a third party, the punishment increases to imprisonment between 2 to 5 years.
Also, currently being considered in the Cortes Generales: People who share their Netflix, Amazon Prime, or Disney+ passwords are violators of copyright law. The Spanish Government's Intellectual Property Office announced a new campaign in partnership with Meta, aiming to help people avoid piracy and counterfeit goods online: "Piracy is a major issue for the entertainment and creative industries. Unauthorized use of images into your social media, password sharing on streaming services and accessing the latest films, tv series or live sports events through kodi boxes, fire sticks or Apps without paying a subscription all break copyright laws. Not only are you breaking the law but stopping someone earning a living from their hard work."
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