Demon Homepages: Value for money?
Alan Hargreaves
A couple of years ago Demon was at the forefront by offering 5Mb
webspace but it seems now that everybody else has caught up and
overtaken Demon in many cases.
eg. Demon £10.00 / month 5Mb webspace
Force 9 £7.00 / month 15Mb webspace
With this supposed takeover by Scottish Telecom (allegedly)
I guess a lot of Demon subscribers might be considering their options.
It seems to me that now could be a good time for Demon to be a bit more
generous to their existing customers.
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Duncan Corps
This was written by Alan Hargreaves...
|> With this supposed takeover by Scottish Telecom (allegedly)
|> I guess a lot of Demon subscribers might be considering their options.
|> It seems to me that now could be a good time for Demon to be a bit more
|> generous to their existing customers.
I guess this all depends on a few points;
1. Whether you're using all your 5 Mb and really need more space (I would
find this hard to believe).
2. All you're interested in from an ISP is web space (why not just rent
some space somewhere and leave the ISP out of it?).
3. The many unique and powerful facilities offered by Demon as an ISP are
irrelevant to you (eg. I can't see another ISP with static IP
addresses).
Of course, if this buyout has gone/ does go through then theres no
telling how the service will change- management often fail to see
technical advantages/ issues as anything other than costs to be reduced...
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Paul Copsey
In <LHp3QEA5...@vmax.demon.co.uk>,
Alan Hargreaves <al...@vmax.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> A couple of years ago Demon was at the forefront by offering 5Mb
> webspace but it seems now that everybody else has caught up and
> overtaken Demon in many cases.
>
> eg. Demon £10.00 / month 5Mb webspace
> Force 9 £7.00 / month 15Mb webspace
To be honest, I doubt some of us consider that we pay for homepages,
I have been paying the same amount for my Demon account since
Oct 94, which effectively means that homepages, POP3 etc haven't
really cost me anything.
Paul
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Tony Finch
Duncan Corps <fw...@clues.com> wrote:
>
> I guess this all depends on a few points;
>
>1. Whether you're using all your 5 Mb and really need more space (I would
> find this hard to believe).
It depends on how many graphics you use, really.
>2. All you're interested in from an ISP is web space (why not just rent
> some space somewhere and leave the ISP out of it?).
Who will you be renting it off, if not from an ISP?
Also note various technical benefits of Homepages, like the
accelerators in London and New Jersey, which should mean that your
page is quite quick to access.
Tony.
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Dave Holland
Tony Finch <fa...@demon.net> wrote:
>Duncan Corps <fw...@clues.com> wrote:
>>2. All you're interested in from an ISP is web space (why not just rent
>> some space somewhere and leave the ISP out of it?).
>Who will you be renting it off, if not from an ISP?
A web-space provider. They have webservers but no (not-)modem pools.
Dave
Duncan Corps
This was written by Tony Finch...
|> Duncan Corps <fw...@clues.com> wrote:
|>>
|>>1. Whether you're using all your 5 Mb and really need more space (I would
|>> find this hard to believe).
|>
|> It depends on how many graphics you use, really.
Alan's graphics seem numerous but fairly efficient, though I
haven't actually analysed the site in detail I doubt hes near 5Mb yet.
|> Also note various technical benefits of Homepages, like the
|> accelerators in London and New Jersey, which should mean that your
|> page is quite quick to access.
Also good points. I think my general point is that evaluating
Demon simply on the basis of how much web space you get for your TAM is
probably a mistake since it excludes a whole slew of valuable features and
services.
Richard Lamont
In article <LHp3QEA5...@vmax.demon.co.uk>,
Alan Hargreaves <al...@vmax.demon.co.uk> writes:
>
> A couple of years ago Demon was at the forefront by offering 5Mb
> webspace but it seems now that everybody else has caught up and
> It seems to me that now could be a good time for Demon to be a bit more
> generous to their existing customers.
If ISPs' advertising is any guide, webspace size is important from
a marketing point of view, even if few people use it all. Disc space
is very cheap, and there is already a bandwidth limit, so surely an
increase in disk space could be provided at negligible cost, and
Demon would gain an improved selling point?
Tony Finch says that homepages has an 'accelerator' on the other
side of the T3, so presumably the cost of serving homepages to
merkins has suddenly got a whole lot cheaper too. An increase in
the bandwidth limit would obviously be nice for us, but it would
be nice for Demon too because their competitors (most of whom
presumably do not have accelerators) would be left further behind.
I could really use one other improvement to homepages: to be
able to mail form output to <anyone>@myhost.d.c.u. It is possible
to filter it with Perl scripts, but this is using a sledgehammer
to crack a nut.
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Alan Hargreaves
In article <6h4mql$eca$1...@basil.clues.com>, Duncan Corps <fw...@clues.com>
writes
>This was written by Tony Finch...
>|> Duncan Corps <fw...@clues.com> wrote:
>|>>
>|>>1. Whether you're using all your 5 Mb and really need more space (I would
>|>> find this hard to believe).
>|>
>|> It depends on how many graphics you use, really.
>
> Alan's graphics seem numerous but fairly efficient, though I
>haven't actually analysed the site in detail I doubt hes near 5Mb yet.
Well the last time I looked it was 5201838 (quota 5242880)
or 99.217% full so the brick wall is well in view.
I dont know how many of the homepages are near the limit but if it is a
small number then increasing the quota wouldn't make much difference to
the total demand since only a few people would use it.
So the extra cost to Demon would be insignificant.
>
>|> Also note various technical benefits of Homepages, like the
>|> accelerators in London and New Jersey, which should mean that your
>|> page is quite quick to access.
>
> Also good points. I think my general point is that evaluating
>Demon simply on the basis of how much web space you get for your TAM is
>probably a mistake since it excludes a whole slew of valuable features and
>services.
Everybody evaluates a service on the basis of features which are
important to them. Yes, Demon gives a good deal to people who don't need
the space.
Any business needs to improve its product/price on a year by year basis
just to stand still.
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Julian Barker
Richard Lamont <ric...@stonix.demon.co.uk> wrote
>
>I could really use one other improvement to homepages: to be
>able to mail form output to <anyone>@myhost.d.c.u. It is possible
>to filter it with Perl scripts, but this is using a sledgehammer
>to crack a nut.
>
I would like to do that but as Demon won't support it I use Formailer a
free Form Server. It is much more versatile than Demon's offering
allowing me to have each form send it's mail to a different address.
I am not sure of the signup address for this service. Have a look at
this server as this is where the scripts are held:
Julian
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Conor O'Neill
In article <UadgXFAh...@vmax.demon.co.uk>, Alan Hargreaves
<al...@vmax.demon.co.uk> writes
>I dont know how many of the homepages are near the limit but if it is a
>small number then increasing the quota wouldn't make much difference to
>the total demand since only a few people would use it.
>So the extra cost to Demon would be insignificant.
If very few of the homepages are near the limit, then there obviously
isn't much demand for the limit to be raised.
On the other hand, those users who do fill their limit may also be the
biggest bandwidth users, so if the limit were raised again they would be
being subsidised by the 'gentler' users to an even greater extent.
However, the bandwidth limitations might make this point a non-issue.
Are there many users who have large datasets but a relatively small
bandwidth usage?
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Atkinson
In article <LHp3QEA5...@vmax.demon.co.uk>,
Alan Hargreaves <al...@vmax.demon.co.uk> writes
>A couple of years ago Demon was at the forefront by offering 5Mb
>webspace but it seems now that everybody else has caught up and
>overtaken Demon in many cases.
>
>eg. Demon £10.00 / month 5Mb webspace
> Force 9 £7.00 / month 15Mb webspace
>
>With this supposed takeover by Scottish Telecom (allegedly)
>I guess a lot of Demon subscribers might be considering their options.
>It seems to me that now could be a good time for Demon to be a bit more
>generous to their existing customers.
My site was one of the first up on 30 July 1996 (due to a fortuitous
bout of 'flu) and it has taken me that long to break 2.5Mb, but the rate
of increase is accelerating. Since many users do not use their space, or
only part of it, then the effect to Demon may be minimal and it would be
a good marketing angle. Do I hear a rallying call of
What do we want? 20Mb. When do we want it? Pretty soon, please!
(Oh, and still for only a tenner plus VAT, please :-)
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James Green
On Mon, 20 Apr 1998 19:45:44 +0100, Julian Barker
<jul...@rodent.demon.co.uk> wrote:
[ ... ]
>I would like to do that but as Demon won't support it I use Formailer a
I believe you are referring to Formmail.pl
>free Form Server. It is much more versatile than Demon's offering
>allowing me to have each form send it's mail to a different address.
>
>I am not sure of the signup address for this service. Have a look at
>this server as this is where the scripts are held:
It is freely distributed and found on many servers; one server I use
for for personal web interests had it already, and commercial sites I
design use it too (all located on same server).
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Pedt Scragg
In article <353bd69b...@news.demon.co.uk>, James Green
<j...@nospam.demon.co.uk> writes
>On Mon, 20 Apr 1998 19:45:44 +0100, Julian Barker
><jul...@rodent.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>[ ... ]
>
>>I would like to do that but as Demon won't support it I use Formailer a
>
>I believe you are referring to Formmail.pl
>
>>free Form Server. It is much more versatile than Demon's offering
>>allowing me to have each form send it's mail to a different address.
>>
>>I am not sure of the signup address for this service. Have a look at
>>this server as this is where the scripts are held:
>
>It is freely distributed and found on many servers; one server I use
>for for personal web interests had it already, and commercial sites I
>design use it too (all located on same server).
>
scripts on their own account ( unless they subscribe to somethong like
Rob Darke's service at http://www.demon.co.uk/parallel-d/ )
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Julian Barker
James Green <j...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote
>On Mon, 20 Apr 1998 19:45:44 +0100, Julian Barker
><jul...@rodent.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>[ ... ]
>
>>I would like to do that but as Demon won't support it I use Formailer a
>
>I believe you are referring to Formmail.pl
I am refering to a complete free form mailing service. Once you
subscribe you can use the provided scripts freely.
I find it very efficient.
The script I call in my forms is called ukmailer.cgi.