Bouncing back to yahoo
AC
to <motorho...@yahoogroups.com>.
Your email account has been bouncing mails. This means that emails
sent to your account over several days have been returned to us.
This is sometimes because mail boxes are filled up, or because of
configuration problems. To reset your Yahoo! Groups account, please go
to http://groups.yahoo.com/myprefs?edit=2
For further assistance,
please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/
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.......If group messages sent to your email address are returned to
Yahoo! Groups as undeliverable ("bouncing"), your Yahoo! Groups account
may be temporarily disabled.
Messages can be returned for several reasons:
* Your mailbox may be full -- try deleting messages from your Inbox.
* Your ISP may have a backlog of email to process -- contact your
ISP.
* Your ISP may be blocking email from Yahoo! Groups -- contact your
ISP.
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MMM....
This came to the crunch this morning it seems, and because I had not
been getting some moderator related emails I expected, I removed
filtering this morning before I saw the apparently previous yahoo
decision.
It so happens that a significant group I own is BPSA (British
Prostatitis Support Association, and some content could be interpreted
as adult only.
I have now reset my yahoo settings anyway. Should I be doing anything
else?
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AC
Simon W. Hood
<ne...@jrainer.demon.co.uk> writes
>The same has been happening to me, although I've only just discovered it
>after seeing your post. I was still receiving some yahoo group messages
>but on checking my account it was deactivated.
>
>Unfortunately, there's not enough bounce info to know if it has been
>bouncing from Demon or 123-reg (from where my Yahoo mail is forwarded to
>Demon). However, all my subscribed groups show bounces so I doubt if it
>is content filtering that is responsible. I wonder if it was from when
>123's mail servers clogged up with various virus laden mails a while
>back.
>
>Tried reactivating and Yahoo's test message got through, so something's
>changed for the better, at least.
>
>John Rainer
I have experienced the same problem with Yahoo, in that digest emails
from the three mailing lists to which I am subscribed have been
bouncing.
Yahoo have sent me automatic "Unable to deliver your message" emails
advising me to visit their website at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/myprefs?edit=2
in order to reset my Yahoo Groups account. However, as far as I am aware
I have *never* had a Yahoo Groups account. I certainly cannot remember
having set one up -- all I recall doing is sending standard "subscribe"
emails to the relevant mailing lists when I joined them.
Assuming I have one, please can you tell me how to reset my Yahoo Groups
account. Which website do I need to visit, and what information do I
need to supply?
Or will I have to set up an account from scratch if I want to restart
receiving items from the mailing lists?
Thanks in advance.
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Simon W. Hood
Paul C. Dickie
<aec$ne...@candt.demon.co.uk> writes
>It so happens that a significant group I own is BPSA (British
>Prostatitis Support Association, and some content could be interpreted
>as adult only.
Wouldn't it have been *nice* if we'd been warned that the Dim-mail
filters didn't just bounce on whether or not alleged spam had reached a
"honey-pot" but also on "rude words" as well?
I cannot recall seeing such a warning but my memory isn't perfect. Can
anyone else recall seeing anything about such a nannyfied filter before
the spam filter became active?
>I have now reset my yahoo settings anyway. Should I be doing anything
>else?
Drinking cranberry juice? o-)
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< Paul >
Simon
wrote:
>On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 12:26:31 +0000, AC <aec$ne...@candt.demon.co.uk>
>wrote:
>
>>
>> This came to the crunch this morning it seems, and because I had not
>>been getting some moderator related emails I expected, I removed
>>filtering this morning before I saw the apparently previous yahoo
>>decision.
>>
>>It so happens that a significant group I own is BPSA (British
>>Prostatitis Support Association, and some content could be interpreted
>>as adult only.
>>I have now reset my yahoo settings anyway. Should I be doing anything
>>else?
>
>The same has been happening to me, although I've only just discovered it
>after seeing your post. I was still receiving some yahoo group messages
>but on checking my account it was deactivated.
Same here, all five groups I'm subscribed to, two of which I moderate
have been bouncing, so its back to spam world here. :-(
Until something can be sorted with Brightmail
Simon
Theo
>I cannot recall seeing such a warning but my memory isn't perfect. Can
>anyone else recall seeing anything about such a nannyfied filter before
>the spam filter became active?
http://www.brightmail.com/pdfs/Spam_Problem_and_Brightmail_Approach.pdf
Read it carefully!
Edit the address in the sig to reply by email if you so wish.
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Theo Brueton
tb021222 (at) anoeth (dot) demon (dot) co (dot) uk
AC
<swh...@zestdata.demon.co.uk> writes
>Yahoo have sent me automatic "Unable to deliver your message" emails
>advising me to visit their website at:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/myprefs?edit=2
>
>in order to reset my Yahoo Groups account. However, as far as I am aware
>I have *never* had a Yahoo Groups account. I certainly cannot remember
>having set one up -- all I recall doing is sending standard "subscribe"
>emails to the relevant mailing lists when I joined them.
>
>Assuming I have one, please can you tell me how to reset my Yahoo Groups
>account. Which website do I need to visit, and what information do I
>need to supply?
>
>Or will I have to set up an account from scratch if I want to restart
>receiving items from the mailing lists?
You probably were subscribed to yahoo group/s via an email only
membership/s. This can be convenient in some circumstances, but it is a
very limited form of membership.
I suggest you consider getting a yahoo membership ID etc. Then join the
groups afresh, via the web - yahoo, groups, etc. Via you membership you
can then set a number of useful preferences, including receiving emails
etc.
--
AC
AC
<p...@bozzie.demon.co.uk> writes
>Drinking cranberry juice? o-)
Don't joke too soon! prostatitis is *much* more common than you might
think...... and the most common forms do not have a cure, and can be
very disabling :-(
--
AC For Prostatitis Support in UK - see www.bps-assoc.org.uk
Paul C. Dickie
writes
>ysgrifennodd "Paul C. Dickie" <p...@bozzie.demon.co.uk> :
>>I cannot recall seeing such a warning but my memory isn't perfect. Can
>>anyone else recall seeing anything about such a nannyfied filter before
>>the spam filter became active?
>
>http://www.brightmail.com/pdfs/Spam_Problem_and_Brightmail_Approach.pdf
>Read it carefully!
But that barely readable dreck was published by the folk at Dim-Mail.
The announcement from Demon [1] might as well have been written by Pooh,
for all it mentioned were the fabled "honey-pots" -- actually called
"dummy addresses". It certainly seems not to have stated that the
system at Dim-Mail would reject emails that were deemed to contain
"naughty words" or that shouldn't be sent to good little boys and girls.
[1] http://www.demon.net/helpdesk/faq/spamfiltering.shtml
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< Paul >
Richard Clayton
<p...@bozzie.demon.co.uk> writes
>The announcement from Demon [1] might as well have been written by Pooh,
>for all it mentioned were the fabled "honey-pots" -- actually called
>"dummy addresses". It certainly seems not to have stated that the
>system at Dim-Mail would reject emails that were deemed to contain
>"naughty words" or that shouldn't be sent to good little boys and girls.
>
>[1] http://www.demon.net/helpdesk/faq/spamfiltering.shtml
But it _does_ mention that other methods are used besides the "honey
pots" (in fact Brightmail avoid any sweetness and say "probe network"
and use the terms "decoy address" or "spamtrap") ...
http://www.demon.net/helpdesk/faq/spamfiltering.shtml#spamornot
What email will be filtered, and how do you know it is spam?
Demon Email Filtering is based on Brightmail's technology.
Brightmail operates several spam detection systems, but a key
benefit is ...
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richard writing to inform and not as company policy
"Assembly of Japanese bicycle require great peace of mind" quoted in ZAMM
Theo
>In article <403b622f...@news.demon.co.uk>, Theo <s...@sig.for.addr>
>writes
>>
>>http://www.brightmail.com/pdfs/Spam_Problem_and_Brightmail_Approach.pdf
>>Read it carefully!
>
>But that barely readable dreck was published by the folk at Dim-Mail.
Precisely. And it's probably the best (most authoritative) write-up you're
going to get. The implications seemed clear to me.
>The announcement from Demon [1]
>[...] certainly seems not to have stated that the
>system at Dim-Mail would reject emails that were deemed to contain
>"naughty words" [...]
>
>[1] http://www.demon.net/helpdesk/faq/spamfiltering.shtml
Neither does "Spam_Problem_and_Brightmail_Approach.pdf" - the point
is that it doesn't _exclude_ it: human judgement is clearly a part of
Brightmail's "heuristics filters optimization" process.
With that necessarily comes a whole sledful of (often unconscious)
cultural values. Your joke is my obscenity. Your metaphor is my insult.
Your creed is my heresy. Your freedom of speech is my subversion.
And therein lies the folly of implementing a filtering system where
the results (binned messages) cannot be systematically reviewed by users.
Naive, to use the kindest word that seems appropriate.
(Who does get to see the binned messages?
<-- alt.paranioa lies thataway)