Curiosity

[Tim Lamb]

I used my dcu mail in error after the service was said to be closed and
after the unpaid renewal.
The message got through although the reply to the same address was
blocked.
--
Tim Lamb

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

On Tue, 22 Sep 2020 at 09:15:57, Tim Lamb <t...@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk>
wrote:

I'm puzzled by your reference to "the reply".

Do you mean you _sent_ an email "From" t...@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk? Many
SMTP servers won't check that the "From" is valid.

(By the way, you've still got Turnpike _posting_ from that address.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Parkinson: "What caused your conversion to women - was it the love of a good
one?" George Melly: "No the love of several bad ones" (Lizbuff in UMRA
'01-4-25)

[Tim Lamb]

In message <Qlw3wSgK...@255soft.uk>, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
<G6...@255soft.uk> writes

>On Tue, 22 Sep 2020 at 09:15:57, Tim Lamb <t...@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk>
>wrote:
>>I used my dcu mail in error after the service was said to be closed
>>and after the unpaid renewal.
>>The message got through although the reply to the same address was
>>blocked.
>
>I'm puzzled by your reference to "the reply".

The person I mailed replied without checking the address. He then got a
series of *DNS Error: 9160036 DNS type 'mx' lookup of
marfordfarm.demon.co.uk responded with code NOERROR 9160036 DNS type
'aaaa' lookup of disabled.demon.co.uk. responded with code NXDOMAIN
9160036 DNS type 'a' lookup of disabled.demon.co.uk. responded with code
NXDOMAIN *
from G mail.

>
>Do you mean you _sent_ an email "From" t...@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk?
>Many SMTP servers won't check that the "From" is valid.

Ah.

>
>(By the way, you've still got Turnpike _posting_ from that address.)

Yes. I've been too idle to change it and my daughter set it up in 1997
or so. I don't recall ever having a follow up mailed from a news group
message.

--
Tim Lamb

[Andy]

In message <0ZqQzjhj...@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk>, Tim Lamb
<t...@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk> wrote
[]

>Yes. I've been too idle to change it and my daughter set it up in 1997
>or so. I don't recall ever having a follow up mailed from a news group
>message.
>

I tried one... Turnpike_S...@kitzbuhel.co.uk said:


Your message could not be delivered to the following recipients
t...@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk
Talking to [127.0.0.1] on Tue, 22 Sep 2020 11:03:14 +0100
>>> RCPT TO:<t...@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk>
<<< 550-Requested action not taken: mailbox unavailable

550 invalid DNS MX or A/AAAA resource record
--
Andy Taylor [President, Treasurer & Editor of the Austrian Philatelic Society].
Visit www dot austrianphilately dot com

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

On Tue, 22 Sep 2020 at 11:14:09, Andy <an...@kitzbuhel.co.uk> wrote:
>In message <0ZqQzjhj...@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk>, Tim Lamb
><t...@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk> wrote
>[]
>>Yes. I've been too idle to change it and my daughter set it up in 1997

Configure, Personalities, Andy, Properties, change Domain (and Reply-to
if it doesn't change automatically). You might also consider changing
(under Standard text) Attribution from "In message <MID> ..." to
"On %d at %t, %a wrote:". (I think that's more useful these days - you
might not agree. See top two lines of this post.)

>>or so. I don't recall ever having a follow up mailed from a news group
>>message.

You won't get any now (-:

>>
>I tried one... Turnpike_S...@kitzbuhel.co.uk said:
>
>
>Your message could not be delivered to the following recipients
>t...@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk
> Talking to [127.0.0.1] on Tue, 22 Sep 2020 11:03:14 +0100
> >>> RCPT TO:<t...@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk>
> <<< 550-Requested action not taken: mailbox unavailable
>
>550 invalid DNS MX or A/AAAA resource record

Sounds like the MX records _have_ been deleted. Now just the website (?)
ones to go.

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Anybody who thinks there can be unlimited growth in a static, limited
environment, is either mad or an economist. - Sir David Attenborough, in
Radio Times 10-16 November 2012

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

On Tue, 22 Sep 2020 at 13:15:16, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
<G6...@255soft.uk> wrote:
>On Tue, 22 Sep 2020 at 11:14:09, Andy <an...@kitzbuhel.co.uk> wrote:
>>In message <0ZqQzjhj...@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk>, Tim Lamb
>><t...@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk> wrote
>>[]
>>>Yes. I've been too idle to change it and my daughter set it up in 1997
>
>Configure, Personalities, Andy, Properties, change Domain (and Reply-to
>if it doesn't change automatically). You might also consider changing
>(under Standard text) Attribution from "In message <MID> ..." to
>"On %d at %t, %a wrote:". (I think that's more useful these days - you
>might not agree. See top two lines of this post.)

[]
Sorry, got my attributions mixed up. Tim, not Andy (actually, it's
whichever one has "(default)" after it).

[Tim Lamb]

In message <YA4l5Eio...@255soft.uk>, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
<G6...@255soft.uk> writes

>On Tue, 22 Sep 2020 at 13:15:16, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
><G6...@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>On Tue, 22 Sep 2020 at 11:14:09, Andy <an...@kitzbuhel.co.uk> wrote:
>>>In message <0ZqQzjhj...@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk>, Tim Lamb
>>><t...@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk> wrote
>>>[]
>>>>Yes. I've been too idle to change it and my daughter set it up in 1997
>>
>>Configure, Personalities, Andy, Properties, change Domain (and
>>Reply-to if it doesn't change automatically). You might also consider
>>changing (under Standard text) Attribution from "In message <MID> ..." to
>>"On %d at %t, %a wrote:". (I think that's more useful these days - you
>>might not agree. See top two lines of this post.)
>[]
>Sorry, got my attributions mixed up. Tim, not Andy (actually, it's
>whichever one has "(default)" after it).

OK J.P I tried changing all the marfordfarm.d.c.us I could find!

I'll try again:-)

--
Tim Lamb

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

On Tue, 22 Sep 2020 at 14:05:15, Tim Lamb <t...@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk>
wrote:

>In message <YA4l5Eio...@255soft.uk>, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
><G6...@255soft.uk> writes

[]

>>>Configure, Personalities, Andy, Properties, change Domain (and
>>>Reply-to if it doesn't change automatically). You might also consider
>>>changing (under Standard text) Attribution from "In message <MID> ..." to
>>>"On %d at %t, %a wrote:". (I think that's more useful these days -
>>>you might not agree. See top two lines of this post.)
>>[]
>>Sorry, got my attributions mixed up. Tim, not Andy (actually, it's
>>whichever one has "(default)" after it).
>
>OK J.P I tried changing all the marfordfarm.d.c.us I could find!

[John (-:]

>
>I'll try again:-)
>

Maybe you need to change the domain under Configure, Host too. I forget
which settings do what.

When you compose a post (such as a followup to this one), across the top
of the compose window you'll see (not necessarily in this order, and not
necessarily all of them):
title bar (such as "Re: Curiosity")
menu bar ("File Edit View Options Help")
button bar (Post, Lookup, Cut, Copy, Paste, Insert File, Change Sig)
a bar with three dropdowns: followup, <personality>, and something about
MIME.
It's the personality in the middle dropdown whose properties you need to
tweak in Configure, Personalities. You might have created a different
personality for news posting - to find out if you have, look under
demon.service's Properties, at the Sending tab.

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"Bother," said Pooh, as he fell off the bridge with his stick.

[Martin Brown]

I have sent a message to you directly via a constructed direct email
address based on your old .dcu subdomain name.

It hasn't bounced yet so it might actually arrive or be stuck in limbo
on a server that you can no longer log on to.

mainID@<subdomain>demononcascade.onmicrosoft.com

Works OK for my old domain but not for some other ex Demonites.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

[Tim Lamb]

In message <cv1Uizkd...@255soft.uk>, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"

John. Hmm..The personality in the middle dropdown is ok. I have
admini...@marford.uk.com (default) and t...@marford.uk.com below.

I can change the *from* and *reply to* but the *sender* is in an
untouchable grey bar.

--
Tim Lamb

[Tim Lamb]

In message <rkd43b$m5f$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Martin Brown
<'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> writes

Nothing arrived here yet! I'm using Firefox for mail rather than the
workaround.
>

--
Tim Lamb

[John Hall]

In message <OnK+83nj...@marford.uk.com>, Tim Lamb
<t...@marford.uk.com> writes
<snip>

>Hmm..The personality in the middle dropdown is ok. I have
>admini...@marford.uk.com (default) and t...@marford.uk.com below.
>
>I can change the *from* and *reply to* but the *sender* is in an
>untouchable grey bar.

I think the sender domain may be determined by Connect > Configure >
Host. But I tried clicking on Reply-to instead of Followup-to for your
post, and it would have sent the reply to t...@marford.uk.com as you
want, so I don't think you need worry about that too much.
--
John Hall

You can divide people into two categories:
those who divide people into two categories and those who don't

[Peter Hill]

On 22/09/2020 09:15, Tim Lamb wrote:

I can confirm that this is really the case.

Namesco e-mail server smtp.office365.com is still accepting my
connection and allows me to send "from"
peter....@hostname.demon.co.uk. I'm using Thunderbird and have 14
different accounts set up (Ta ZEN for the 11 individual accounts). I
haven't deleted the h.d.c.u account has it has a lot of e-mails sorted
in it and I couldn't be arsed to archive them to local folders. This is
not an accidental "from" addr accepted by a foreign mail server. Nothing
can be received to this h.d.c.u address as MX records are gone. I moved
my Office365 mail licence from the default
hostname.demononcascade.onmicrosoft.com to this h.d.c.u address.

I terminated my account with them over a month ago 5/8/20.

skyshack web page www.h.d.u.c is still up as well.

Incompetence everywhere.

I think this is due to the Office365 mail service being outsourced.
Either Namesco have yet to tell them. Or maybe it will just run until
the actual renewal date.

Or it could be whatever they had to do to office365 server to use
hostname.demononcascade.onmicrosoft.com as h.d.c.u

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

On Tue, 22 Sep 2020 at 21:49:23, John Hall <john_...@jhall.co.uk>
wrote:

>In message <OnK+83nj...@marford.uk.com>, Tim Lamb
><t...@marford.uk.com> writes
><snip>
>>Hmm..The personality in the middle dropdown is ok. I have
>>admini...@marford.uk.com (default) and t...@marford.uk.com below.
>>
>>I can change the *from* and *reply to* but the *sender* is in an
>>untouchable grey bar.

Did you do that manually for that individual post? If not, then whatever
you've done fixed it, as the post seemed to come from your marford
address.

>
>I think the sender domain may be determined by Connect > Configure >
>Host. But I tried clicking on Reply-to instead of Followup-to for your
>post, and it would have sent the reply to t...@marford.uk.com as you
>want, so I don't think you need worry about that too much.

I've crossposted to DIST.

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

To keep leaf vegetables clean and crisp, cook lightly, then plunge into iced
water (the vegetables, that is). - manual for a Russell Hobbs electric steamer

[Martin Brown]

It bounced domain not found shortly after I posted here but for anyone
who does still have their email account with Namesco they might want to
try sending an email to the canonical email mailbox form as above.

Everything else is declared as an alias on that core mailbox.

So far a straw poll is 3:4 working to non-working.

No obvious rhyme or reason as to which is which some still have live IP
addresses but don't work and some don't it is altogether very messy.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

[Martin Brown]

I suspect the latter using mailbox aliasing. Would you like to try my
straw poll to see if you can be reached directly as :

maina...@hostnamedemononcascade.onmicrosoft.com

It is still running at about 50:50 with no visible correlation between
websites surviving or having a static IP address and it working. There
might be a correlation between having used a domain name outside of
Namesco direct control and it working and taking their default do
nothing option and it not working but on a very small sample it could
just be a coincidence.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

[Andy]

In message <rkf05l$1mcd$3...@gioia.aioe.org>, Martin Brown
<'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote
[

>I suspect the latter using mailbox aliasing. Would you like to try my
>straw poll to see if you can be reached directly as :
>
>maina...@hostnamedemononcascade.onmicrosoft.com
>

I thought I was dead ... so do they... Being unsure if I should dot or
not-dot I tried both.

Your message could not be delivered to the following recipients

an...@kitzbuhel.demononcascade.onmicrosoft.com
Talking to [127.0.0.1] on Wed, 23 Sep 2020 10:03:39 +0100
>>> RCPT TO:<an...@kitzbuhel.demononcascade.onmicrosoft.com>

<<< 550-Requested action not taken: mailbox unavailable

550 invalid DNS MX or A/AAAA resource record

Your message could not be delivered to the following recipients

an...@kitzbuheldemononcascade.onmicrosoft.com
Talking to [127.0.0.1] on Wed, 23 Sep 2020 10:03:39 +0100
>>> RCPT TO:<an...@kitzbuheldemononcascade.onmicrosoft.com>

<<< 550-Requested action not taken: mailbox unavailable

550 invalid DNS MX or A/AAAA resource record

--
Andy Taylor [Vampire Extraordinaire].

[Tim Lamb]

In message <LLCRbWoD...@255soft.uk>, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
<G6...@255soft.uk> writes

>On Tue, 22 Sep 2020 at 21:49:23, John Hall <john_...@jhall.co.uk>
>wrote:
>>In message <OnK+83nj...@marford.uk.com>, Tim Lamb
>><t...@marford.uk.com> writes
>><snip>
>>>Hmm..The personality in the middle dropdown is ok. I have
>>>admini...@marford.uk.com (default) and t...@marford.uk.com below.
>>>
>>>I can change the *from* and *reply to* but the *sender* is in an
>>>untouchable grey bar.
>
>Did you do that manually for that individual post? If not, then
>whatever you've done fixed it, as the post seemed to come from your
>marford address.
>>
>>I think the sender domain may be determined by Connect > Configure >
>>Host. But I tried clicking on Reply-to instead of Followup-to for your
>>post, and it would have sent the reply to t...@marford.uk.com as you
>>want, so I don't think you need worry about that too much.
>
>I've crossposted to DIST.

So you have:-)

There seems no way of changing the *from* address. Turnpike help hints
it is fundamental in some way. I suppose when usenet evolved, changing
your mail address was an unlikely event.

Your suggestions seem to have sorted the *reply to* line so I think I'll
leave well alone:-)

Thanks all.

--
Tim Lamb

[Martin Brown]

That is how they fail but I can't see why.
NSLOOKUP
SET DEBUG and type in the long domain (no dot).

Working ones like mine point at
NS: ns1-208.azure-dns.com
Mail: azuredns-hostmaster.mocrosoft.com

Mine still works OK using this hack. NSLOOKUP has no errors.
Or rather it did the last time I tried it.

And for completeness the other form of undeliverable is just plain
weird. I get plausible A and AAAA records for you and also for
phaedrus,dcu followed by a warning that
dns.google can't find phaedrusdemononcascade.onmicrosoft.com etc.

I can't spot any differences apart from the last error msg!

I will see him later in the week and ask if he can make any sense of it.
His expertise on obscure internet config record faults far exceeds mine.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

[Peter Hill]

Not working.

DNS Error: 6811353 DNS type 'mx' lookup of
skyshack.demononcascade.onmicrosoft.com responded with code NXDOMAIN
Domain name not found: skyshack.demononcascade.onmicrosoft.com

DNS Error: 6817472 DNS type 'mx' lookup of
skyshackdemononcascade.onmicrosoft.com responded with code NXDOMAIN
Domain name not found: skyshackdemononcascade.onmicrosoft.com

[Andy]

In message <rkf8l6$1osp$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Martin Brown
<'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote
[]

>
>That is how they fail but I can't see why.
>NSLOOKUP
>SET DEBUG and type in the long domain (no dot).
>

"Unrecognised command"

(This on Windows 7)

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

On Wed, 23 Sep 2020 at 11:01:22, Tim Lamb <t...@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk>
wrote:

>In message <LLCRbWoD...@255soft.uk>, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
><G6...@255soft.uk> writes
>>On Tue, 22 Sep 2020 at 21:49:23, John Hall <john_...@jhall.co.uk>
>>wrote:
>>>In message <OnK+83nj...@marford.uk.com>, Tim Lamb
>>><t...@marford.uk.com> writes
>>><snip>
>>>>Hmm..The personality in the middle dropdown is ok. I have
>>>>admini...@marford.uk.com (default) and t...@marford.uk.com below.
>>>>
>>>>I can change the *from* and *reply to* but the *sender* is in an
>>>>untouchable grey bar.
>>
>>Did you do that manually for that individual post? If not, then
>>whatever you've done fixed it, as the post seemed to come from your
>>marford address.
>>>
>>>I think the sender domain may be determined by Connect > Configure >
>>>Host. But I tried clicking on Reply-to instead of Followup-to for
>>>your post, and it would have sent the reply to t...@marford.uk.com as
>>>you want, so I don't think you need worry about that too much.
>>
>>I've crossposted to DIST.
>
>So you have:-)

Because I'd got to the end of my failing memory (-:!

>
>There seems no way of changing the *from* address. Turnpike help hints
>it is fundamental in some way. I suppose when usenet evolved, changing
>your mail address was an unlikely event.

I did it, when I changed from *@soft255.demon.co.uk to @255soft.uk;
however, I can't remember how! Do you have more than one personality (in
Configure | Personalities), and have changed Configure | Host?

>
>Your suggestions seem to have sorted the *reply to* line so I think
>I'll leave well alone:-)
>
>Thanks all.
>

Any DIST folk think of places I've forgotten to suggest Tim look?

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Of course, this show - like every other cop show on earth - massively
overstates the prevalence of violent crime: last year, in the whole of the UK,
police fired their weapons just three times. And there were precisely zero
fatalities. - Vincent Graff in RT, 2014/11/8-14

[Jim Crowther]

In demon.ip.support.turnpike, on Wed, 23 Sep 2020 11:01:22, Tim Lamb
wrote:

IIRC, the Sender header is added if the address in:
Configure>Personalities>Advanced

is different to that in User Info.

--
Jim Crowther

[Martin Brown]

On 23/09/2020 13:23, Andy wrote:
> In message <rkf8l6$1osp$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Martin Brown
> <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote
> []
>>
>> That is how they fail but I can't see why.
>> NSLOOKUP
>> SET DEBUG and type in the long domain (no dot).
>>
> "Unrecognised command"
>
> (This on Windows 7)

It should be there somewhere (although you might have to explicitly
install it from the CD - I can't remember. I'm on Win7(64bit) Pro.

Open a dos window and

CD \windows
DIR NSL*.*

That should show you where they have hidden it or its installer.

I see about 4 copies in the windows hierarchy on my PC!

system32
sysWOW64
winsxs (AMD specific x2) crazy on an Intel CPU


--
Regards,
Martin Brown

[Martin Brown]

Set debug mode so that you can see all the internal interim results.

Even for the ones that fail I see a full set of A and AAAA records but
with various random NS & mail servers and I haven't been able to spot
the significant difference between them apart from that some end up with
a DNS failed message "MX" lookup failed invalid.

Non-existent domain

(which is odd because in debug mode you see the MX records go past)

You don't want the dot it is allonewordruntogetherlikethat

skyshackdemononcascade.onmicrosoft.com

Yours has malformed A & AAAA records of a type I haven't seen before:

NS: a.gtld-servers.net
Mail: nstld.verisign-grs.com

An example where I think direct email access still works is my own

nezumidemononcascade.onmicrosoft.com

Probing DNS for all the ones I can remember it seems that mine and a
couple of other ancient oddities are the rare exceptions.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

[John Hall]

In message <KDQR5WDK...@255soft.uk>, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"

Did you mean the Sender address? The From address is easy to change.

>> Turnpike help hints it is fundamental in some way. I suppose when
>>usenet evolved, changing your mail address was an unlikely event.
>
>I did it, when I changed from *@soft255.demon.co.uk to @255soft.uk;
>however, I can't remember how! Do you have more than one personality
>(in Configure | Personalities), and have changed Configure | Host?
>>
>>Your suggestions seem to have sorted the *reply to* line so I think
>>I'll leave well alone:-)
>>
>>Thanks all.
>>
>Any DIST folk think of places I've forgotten to suggest Tim look?

As I suggested in my last post, Connect > Configure > Host. Tim should
make sure that all of Domain Name, This Machine and Local Email are set
to marford.uk.com. (I'm not sure which ones are important.)

[Tim Lamb]

In message <ZDLIJ3Bxz2afFwVR@jhall_nospamxx.co.uk>, John Hall
<john_...@jhall.co.uk> writes

Yes. Sorry. You think you have short term memory issues!

>
>>> Turnpike help hints it is fundamental in some way. I suppose when
>>>usenet evolved, changing your mail address was an unlikely event.
>>
>>I did it, when I changed from *@soft255.demon.co.uk to @255soft.uk;
>>however, I can't remember how! Do you have more than one personality
>>(in Configure | Personalities), and have changed Configure | Host?
>>>
>>>Your suggestions seem to have sorted the *reply to* line so I think
>>>I'll leave well alone:-)
>>>
>>>Thanks all.
>>>
>>Any DIST folk think of places I've forgotten to suggest Tim look?
>
>As I suggested in my last post, Connect > Configure > Host. Tim should
>make sure that all of Domain Name, This Machine and Local Email are set
>to marford.uk.com. (I'm not sure which ones are important.)

They are.

--
Tim Lamb

[Adrian]

In message <KDQR5WDK...@255soft.uk>, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
<G6...@255soft.uk> writes

>Any DIST folk think of places I've forgotten to suggest Tim look?

I may be looking at the wrong problem here.

On your list of news groups that comes up in explorer, right click and
select properties. There is a tab for Sending. In there, you should
find a personality set (and perhaps a list of several more that could be
used). Select the one that you want to alter, then press "modify" and
another popup appears that allows you to alter the email address that
posting are sent from.

Not sure if this has to be done a news group by news group basis, or if
it is a global thing.

If this isn't the problem that you're looking at, please feel free to
ignore this.

Adrian
--
To Reply :
replace "bulleid" with "adrian" - all mail to bulleid is rejected
Sorry for the rigmarole, If I want spam, I'll go to the shops
Every time someone says "I don't believe in trolls", another one dies.

[brian]

In message <LLCRbWoD...@255soft.uk>, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
<G6...@255soft.uk> writes

>On Tue, 22 Sep 2020 at 21:49:23, John Hall <john_...@jhall.co.uk>
>wrote:
>>In message <OnK+83nj...@marford.uk.com>, Tim Lamb
>><t...@marford.uk.com> writes
>><snip>
>>>Hmm..The personality in the middle dropdown is ok. I have
>>>admini...@marford.uk.com (default) and t...@marford.uk.com below.
>>>
>>>I can change the *from* and *reply to* but the *sender* is in an
>>>untouchable grey bar.
>
>Did you do that manually for that individual post? If not, then
>whatever you've done fixed it, as the post seemed to come from your
>marford address.
>>
>>I think the sender domain may be determined by Connect > Configure >
>>Host. But I tried clicking on Reply-to instead of Followup-to for your
>>post, and it would have sent the reply to t...@marford.uk.com as you
>>want, so I don't think you need worry about that too much.
>
>I've crossposted to DIST.

My configure service access still says Demon Broadband and I can't
change it . I assume it's hard coded into the free turnpike software.
However the Turnpike panel says BT Broadband . I edited the connect.ini
file for that,

You can edit the connect.ini file to change the e-mail addresses if you
feel brave.

Turnpike,ini in USER_XXX has the USENET address settings .

Brian

--
Brian Howie

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

On Wed, 23 Sep 2020 at 17:56:40, Adrian <bul...@ku.gro.lioff> wrote:
>In message <KDQR5WDK...@255soft.uk>, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
><G6...@255soft.uk> writes
>>Any DIST folk think of places I've forgotten to suggest Tim look?
>
>I may be looking at the wrong problem here.
>
>On your list of news groups that comes up in explorer, right click and
>select properties. There is a tab for Sending. In there, you should
>find a personality set (and perhaps a list of several more that could
>be used). Select the one that you want to alter, then press "modify"
>and another popup appears that allows you to alter the email address
>that posting are sent from.

Every newsgroup has a personality associated with its sending (which can
be the same as the folder holding that newsgroup, but doesn't have to
be). The personalities can be changed under Configure | Personalities,
or - as you describe - in the newsgroup properties. (Only if the
newsgroup is set to a specific personality: if set to "Inherit" [the
personality from the folder above], then the Modify button is greyed.)

>
>Not sure if this has to be done a news group by news group basis, or if
>it is a global thing.

Depends if you have the newsgroups set to "Inherit" (as I do for most if
not all of mine).
[]

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[Andy]

In message <rkfnjg$vd8$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Martin Brown

<'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote
>On 23/09/2020 13:23, Andy wrote:
>> In message <rkf8l6$1osp$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Martin Brown
>><'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote
>> []
>>>
>>> That is how they fail but I can't see why.
>>> NSLOOKUP
>>> SET DEBUG and type in the long domain (no dot).
>>>
>> "Unrecognised command"
>> (This on Windows 7)
>
>It should be there somewhere (although you might have to explicitly
>install it from the CD - I can't remember. I'm on Win7(64bit) Pro.
>

So am I.

I found that typing NSLOOKUP in the 'search programs and files' box in
desktop found an NSLOOKUP somewhere. When I ran it, it produced a DOS
window in which was a strange message about DNS lookup having timed out.
There was a prompt, so I tried typing SET DEBUG {return} and nothing
happened. Then, both SET DEBUG andy@verylongstring {return} and
andy@verylongstring {return} by itself gave the Unrecognised command
reply.

>Open a dos window and
>
>CD \windows
>DIR NSL*.*
>
>That should show you where they have hidden it or its installer.
>

"No file found"

>I see about 4 copies in the windows hierarchy on my PC!
>
>system32
>sysWOW64
>winsxs (AMD specific x2) crazy on an Intel CPU
>
>

*thinks*

dir nsl*.* /s tells it to look everywhere. This takes about 15 seconds!

It finds 8 related files. Interesting that different files with the same
name are of different sizes :)

Directory of C:\Windows\System32

21/11/2010 04:24 109,568 nslookup.exe 1 File(s) 109,568 bytes

Directory of C:\Windows\System32\en-US

21/11/2010 08:06 19,456 nslookup.exe.mui 1 File(s) 19,456 bytes

Directory of C:\Windows\SysWOW64

21/11/2010 04:24 98,304 nslookup.exe 1 File(s) 98,304 bytes

Directory of C:\Windows\SysWOW64\en-US

21/11/2010 08:06 19,456 nslookup.exe.mui 1 File(s) 19,456 bytes

Directory of C:\Windows\winsxs\amd64_microsoft-windows-nslookup.resources_31bf
3856ad364e35_6.1.7600.16385_en-us_d5c6e1da8e9a3733

21/11/2010 08:06 19,456 nslookup.exe.mui 1 File(s) 19,456 bytes

Directory of C:\Windows\winsxs\amd64_microsoft-windows-nslookup_31bf3856ad364e
35_6.1.7601.17514_none_29a6795f7d1218c6

21/11/2010 04:24 109,568 nslookup.exe 1 File(s) 109,568 bytes

Directory of C:\Windows\winsxs\x86_microsoft-windows-nslookup.resources_31bf38
56ad364e35_6.1.7600.16385_en-us_79a84656d63cc5fd

21/11/2010 08:06 19,456 nslookup.exe.mui 1 File(s) 19,456 bytes

Directory of C:\Windows\winsxs\x86_microsoft-windows-nslookup_31bf3856ad364e35
_6.1.7601.17514_none_cd87dddbc4b4a790

21/11/2010 04:24 98,304 nslookup.exe 1 File(s) 98,304 bytes

Total Files Listed: 8 File(s) 493,568 bytes

[Paul Wolff]

On Wed, 23 Sep 2020, at 07:42:47, Jim Crowther
<Don't_bo...@blackhole.do-not-spam.me.uk> posted:

As I compose this followup, I see the TP header box above the ruler
above my current typing pane with the quoted text. The editable fields
in the header box are labelled, top to bottom:
Newsgroups:
Subject: Re:
Followup-To:
Sender:
From:
Reply-to:
Summary:
Other:
so for me, there's no problem in editing the Sender: content.

Jim's answer may explain why I see this option and Tim apparently
doesn't. My Sender: data shows as
Paul Wolff <boun...@thiswontwork.wolff.co.uk>
which isn't my usual address - but I'll be blowed if I can find a 'User
Info' entry anywhere to check against. It's only my specific News
personality that uses the set of addresses you see in this post.
--
Paul

[Joe]

On Tue, 22 Sep 2020 09:34:18 +0100
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6...@255soft.uk> wrote:

> On Tue, 22 Sep 2020 at 09:15:57, Tim Lamb
> <t...@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >I used my dcu mail in error after the service was said to be closed
> >and after the unpaid renewal.
> >The message got through although the reply to the same address was
> >blocked.
>

> I'm puzzled by your reference to "the reply".
>
> Do you mean you _sent_ an email "From" t...@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk?
> Many SMTP servers won't check that the "From" is valid.
>

My server checks that the From: (and the HELO/EHLO) has a valid domain
in public DNS, but doesn't bother querying the sending server to check
that the sender is valid. It could if I wanted it to.

At least one email a day is refused because it apparently comes from
j...@jretrading.com or some non-existent name at my domain, a common
spammers' trick. Well worth reading the From:.

--
Joe

[Peter Hill]

(base) C:\Users\Peter\MyScripts>nslookup
Default Server: dns.google
Address: 8.8.8.8

Do results vary depending on lookup server?

***This has to be lower case on Win10.*** Uppercase goes looking for
server called "DEBUG" - Non-existent domain.
> set debug

then it needs this look up MX records.
> set q=mx

> skyshackdemononcascade.onmicrosoft.com
Server: dns.google
Address: 8.8.8.8

------------
Got answer:
HEADER:
opcode = QUERY, id = 4, rcode = NXDOMAIN
header flags: response, want recursion, recursion avail.
questions = 1, answers = 0, authority records = 1,
additional = 0

QUESTIONS:
skyshackdemononcascade.onmicrosoft.com, type = MX, class = IN
AUTHORITY RECORDS:
-> onmicrosoft.com
ttl = 299 (4 mins 59 secs)
primary name server = ns1-208.azure-dns.com
responsible mail addr = azuredns-hostmaster.microsoft.com
serial = 1
refresh = 3600 (1 hour)
retry = 300 (5 mins)
expire = 2419200 (28 days)
default TTL = 300 (5 mins)

------------
------------
Got answer:
HEADER:
opcode = QUERY, id = 5, rcode = NXDOMAIN
header flags: response, want recursion, recursion avail.
questions = 1, answers = 0, authority records = 1,
additional = 0

QUESTIONS:
skyshackdemononcascade.onmicrosoft.com, type = MX, class = IN
AUTHORITY RECORDS:
-> onmicrosoft.com
ttl = 299 (4 mins 59 secs)
primary name server = ns1-208.azure-dns.com
responsible mail addr = azuredns-hostmaster.microsoft.com
serial = 1
refresh = 3600 (1 hour)
retry = 300 (5 mins)
expire = 2419200 (28 days)
default TTL = 300 (5 mins)

------------
*** dns.google can't find skyshackdemononcascade.onmicrosoft.com:
Non-existent domain

> nezumidemononcascade.onmicrosoft.com
Server: dns.google
Address: 8.8.8.8

------------
Got answer:
HEADER:
opcode = QUERY, id = 6, rcode = NOERROR
header flags: response, want recursion, recursion avail.
questions = 1, answers = 1, authority records = 0,
additional = 0

QUESTIONS:
nezumidemononcascade.onmicrosoft.com, type = MX, class = IN
ANSWERS:
-> nezumidemononcascade.onmicrosoft.com
MX preference = 0, mail exchanger =
nezumidemononcascade.mail.protection.outlook.com
ttl = 3599 (59 mins 59 secs)

------------
Non-authoritative answer:
nezumidemononcascade.onmicrosoft.com
MX preference = 0, mail exchanger =
nezumidemononcascade.mail.protection.outlook.com
ttl = 3599 (59 mins 59 secs)

> skyshack.demon.co.uk
Server: dns.google
Address: 8.8.8.8

------------
Got answer:
HEADER:
opcode = QUERY, id = 7, rcode = NOERROR
header flags: response, want recursion, recursion avail.
questions = 1, answers = 1, authority records = 0,
additional = 0

QUESTIONS:
skyshack.demon.co.uk, type = MX, class = IN
ANSWERS:
-> skyshack.demon.co.uk
MX preference = 1, mail exchanger = disabled.demon.co.uk
ttl = 299 (4 mins 59 secs)

------------
Non-authoritative answer:
skyshack.demon.co.uk
MX preference = 1, mail exchanger = disabled.demon.co.uk
ttl = 299 (4 mins 59 secs)

I've been set to disabled.demon.co.uk!

[Joe]

On Tue, 22 Sep 2020 20:16:51 +0100
Tim Lamb <t...@marford.uk.com> wrote:


> I can change the *from* and *reply to* but the *sender* is in an
> untouchable grey bar.
>

'Sender' isn't an email header, it's configured elsewhere and figures
in the SMTP transaction (which doesn't normally look at message
content, including headers), and I don't know where that would be in
commercial email.

Most mail servers now add the sender address to the headers of received
emails, often as an X- header, often X-Envelope-From:.

--
Joe

[Tim Lamb]

In message <Quc5xxiN...@wolff.co.uk>, Paul Wolff
<boun...@thiswontwork.wolff.co.uk> writes

Quite.

As you say.
However my *sender* line does not respond to delete, or left scrolling.
It is darkened and the wording can be *blacked over* but returns as soon
as I go back to writing.

>
>Jim's answer may explain why I see this option and Tim apparently
>doesn't. My Sender: data shows as
> Paul Wolff <boun...@thiswontwork.wolff.co.uk>
>which isn't my usual address - but I'll be blowed if I can find a 'User
>Info' entry anywhere to check against. It's only my specific News
>personality that uses the set of addresses you see in this post.

--

Tim Lamb

[John Hall]

In message <Fi6s9PIi...@marford.uk.com>, Tim Lamb
<t...@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk> writes

> However my *sender* line does not respond to delete, or left
>scrolling. It is darkened and the wording can be *blacked over* but
>returns as soon as I go back to writing.

Well there's no Sender header appearing in the headers of your message,
so I wouldn't worry.

[Tim Lamb]

In message <Tugay5GfK6afFw3O@jhall_nospamxx.co.uk>, John Hall
<john_...@jhall.co.uk> writes

>In message <Fi6s9PIi...@marford.uk.com>, Tim Lamb
><t...@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk> writes
>> However my *sender* line does not respond to delete, or left
>>scrolling. It is darkened and the wording can be *blacked over* but
>>returns as soon as I go back to writing.
>
>Well there's no Sender header appearing in the headers of your message,
>so I wouldn't worry.

There is a *from* in my copy but as the *reply to* bit is clear I had
already stopped worrying:-)

--
Tim Lamb

[John Hall]

In message <1y9gJCJ$g6af...@marford.uk.com>, Tim Lamb

<t...@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk> writes
>In message <Tugay5GfK6afFw3O@jhall_nospamxx.co.uk>, John Hall
><john_...@jhall.co.uk> writes
>>In message <Fi6s9PIi...@marford.uk.com>, Tim Lamb
>><t...@marfordfarm.demon.co.uk> writes
>>> However my *sender* line does not respond to delete, or left
>>>scrolling. It is darkened and the wording can be *blacked over* but
>>>returns as soon as I go back to writing.
>>
>>Well there's no Sender header appearing in the headers of your
>>message, so I wouldn't worry.
>
>There is a *from* in my copy but as the *reply to* bit is clear I had
>already stopped worrying:-)
>

There will always be a From header, but as you say the Reply-To header,
if present, takes precedence.