News Backlog [2]
Graham Murray
In article <32b2b48...@news1.news.demon.net>, mi...@paracon.co.uk
(Mike Granby) writes:
> And it's now up to 18 hours. Well, it's one way of making
> sure I get some work done this weekend. There's no chance
> of wasting any time with news reading, is there?
I don't think it is quite that bad. I am reading your message less
than 3 hours after the time in its Date: header.
Mike Granby
On 14 Dec 1996 16:20:55 GMT, Mike Pellatt wrote:
> Well, that was posted at 14:26. I read it at
> 16:20. That looks a lot less than 18 hours to me.
Indeed. When I posted the message, the latest message in demon.service
was 18 hours old. There then came a flooding of very recent messages,
although many posted last night have still not appeared. For example,
my 'News Backlog' without the '[2]' was posted at 23:02 last night and
is still not available. Something very strange is happening, and I
just hope these lost messages turn up sometime soon.
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Andy Fawcett
In article <slrn5b5kv...@lurch.ktgroup.co.uk>
mi...@lurch.ktgroup.co.uk (Mike Pellatt) wrote:
> In article <32b2b48...@news1.news.demon.net>,
> Mike Granby <mi...@paracon.co.uk> blurted out:
> > And it's now up to 18 hours. Well, it's one way of making sure I get
> > some work done this weekend. There's no chance of wasting any time
> > with news reading, is there?
> Well, that was posted at 14:26. I read it at 16:20. That looks a lot
> less than 18 hours to me.
Well, if it's any consolation to people, I received back one of my own
messages posted only 2.5 hours earlier.
Posted and received via news.d.c.u :-)
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MadDog@siberia_demon_co_uk
On Saturday, in article
<32b2cee8...@news1.news.demon.net> mi...@paracon.co.uk
"Mike Granby" wrote:
MG> On Sat, 14 Dec 1996 14:26:25 GMT, Mike Granby wrote:
MG>
MG> > And it's now up to 18 hours.
MG>
MG> And why did this message appear before one posted 15 hours ago?
It's a new feature that I've noticed too: random feeding from
peernews to the customer-facing servers.
I think it must be a new feature, to make threads less boring by
preventing posts from appearing in a meaningful order.
OTOH, no doubt if we all holler rudely for 6 weeks someone will
quietly slip in an acknowledgement in the middle of a thread on
modem drops, and say that the prob is now fixed...
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Mike Granby
And it's now up to 18 hours. Well, it's one way of making
sure I get some work done this weekend. There's no chance
of wasting any time with news reading, is there?
--
Mike Granby
On Sat, 14 Dec 1996 14:26:25 GMT, Mike Granby wrote:
> And it's now up to 18 hours.
And why did this message appear before one posted 15 hours ago?
--
Mike Pellatt
>sure I get some work done this weekend. There's no chance
>of wasting any time with news reading, is there?
Well, that was posted at 14:26. I read it at 16:20. That looks a lot
less than 18 hours to me.
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Terrance Richard Boyes
David Lawson (da...@artful.demon.co.uk) wrote:
> In article <850622...@llondel.demon.co.uk>, "Dave (Reply address
> in.sig" <no...@llondel.demon.co.uk> writes
> >None of the stuff I posted Friday evening has appeared yet (24hrs later)
> >but I wouldn't be too surprised to find that this message arrives first.
>
> I just switched from news to betanews, set back my collection time by 12
> hours and - well waddayaknow! Another 145 messages which did not appear
> on my news trawl 15 minutes ago. Including messages I sent last night.
>From very early Sat. morning to very late Sun. evening I got ~800 articles
from news, and another ~700 from betanews.
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In article <32b57694...@news.demon.co.uk>
phil....@telcore.demon.co.uk "Phil Henry" writes:
> On Sat, 14 Dec 1996 14:26:25 GMT, mi...@paracon.co.uk (Mike Granby)
> wrote:
>
> >
> >And it's now up to 18 hours. Well, it's one way of making
> >sure I get some work done this weekend. There's no chance
> >of wasting any time with news reading, is there?
>
> 1620 GMT 16/12/96
>
> The Demon News clock is now approaching 2359 GMT 15/12/96.
>
> news.demon.co.uk has not delivered anything posted 16/12/96
> for uk.telecom demon.service etc. It seems quicker to use
> dejanews.
As a result of the reported major news failure over the weekend, I
checked betanews for new articles since Friday evening, and found a few
that had apparently been missed from the new.demon.co.uk machines.
There were also a large number of recent articles, with an apparent
backlog of less than one hour.
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Andy Fawcett
In article <H4uxFCAZ...@artful.demon.co.uk>
David Lawson <da...@artful.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <be769...@afawcett.demon.co.uk>, Andy Fawcett
> <t...@lspace.org> writes
> > Well, if it's any consolation to people, I received back one of my
> > own messages posted only 2.5 hours earlier.
> But this one, written (posted?) at 21.29 Sat evening was not available
> to me in my 3am logon Sunday morning.
Yep, ISTR that I posted it within 10 minutes of writing it. I could be
wrong though, and I can't be bothered to check my logs at the moment...
> I've just collected it in an 11.30 am collection. Messages I posted
> *many* hours before yours have still not come back. Maybe the Great
> Saturday Crash has wiped them *and* left a big backlog.
Could be, since some of my other messages took a *lot* longer...
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In article <AEDB125C...@petermc.demon.co.uk>
pe...@petermc.demon.co.uk (Peter McDermott) writes:
> In article <CYxYE...@sktb.demon.co.uk>,
> "Paul L. Allen" <p...@sktb.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >I mean I didn't say that at all because I'm not allowed to say anything
> >about news any more)
>
> Why not?
Pay attention at the back - that bit was a parody of Malcolm's changing
situation over the months.
--Paul
Brian Greenfield
>And it's now up to 18 hours. Well, it's one way of making
>sure I get some work done this weekend. There's no chance
>of wasting any time with news reading, is there?
And now on Monday, 16/12/96 at 23:20 the latest article in
demon.service is timed at 04:13, just as it was at 18:16.
But wait...
Status reveals that the news feed is stalled (again). But this wasn't
announced until after 9 PM. Can this be true? Did it really take Demon
three hours (at least) to notice that the feed was stalled? Or was it
that it took them three hours to *tell* us.
Either way, it seems pretty poor service to me.
I've finally decided to utilise my free webspace (am I allowed to call
it free?). Visit Yesterday's News: the Demon news backlog page at
http://www.dtseven.demon.co.uk/news/
In fairness, I will say that I find 0845 079666 excellent. I connect
every time at 28800.
Did somebody say something about swings and roundabouts?
No, I didn't think they did.
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Brian Greenfield <b...@dtseven.demon.co.uk>
Newcastle upon Tyne - England
"Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so"
Terrance Richard Boyes
David G. Bell (db...@zhochaka.demon.co.uk) wrote:
>
> As a result of the reported major news failure over the weekend, I
> checked betanews for new articles since Friday evening, and found a few
> that had apparently been missed from the new.demon.co.uk machines.
However there are also some articles missing from both, but I don't think
it's been caused by the same problem. I only found them because I tried
using news.aladdin.net thinking that there may be articles on there that
demon had lost on Saturday, I came up with one particular thread in one
group that is not on demon at all.
Here are the headers from the two articles I checked specifically...
Path: Aladdin!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.internetmci.com!newsfeed.direct.ca!nntp.portal.ca!news.bc.net!rover.ucs.ualberta.ca!news
From: Lars Ormberg <la...@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca>
Newsgroups: alt.tv.star-trek,alt.tv.star-trek.voyager,aus.sf.star-trek,othernet.spacenet.star-trek,alt.startrek,alt.startrek.borg,alt.startrek.cardassian,alt.startrek.klingon,alt.startrek.romulan,alt.startrek.vulcan,rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.st
rtrek.fandom,rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.startrek.tech,uk.media.tv.sf.startrek
Subject: Re: Star Trek: First Contact - A+ + + + + + + + + + +
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 11:11:14 -0700
Organization: University of Alberta
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References: <329913...@owlnet.rice.edu> <57d9d4$1...@nuke.csu.net> <329A70...@sac.uky.edu> <57ia84$4...@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> <329F34...@imagin.net> <32b4f12d.0@news.
pinc.com>
Reply-To: la...@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca
NNTP-Posting-Host: henday.hfs.ualberta.ca
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; I)
Path: Aladdin!xara.net!emerald.xara.net!www.nntp.primenet.com!nntp.primenet.com!uwm.edu!lll-winken.llnl.gov!taco.cc.ncsu.edu!jgward
From: jgw...@unity.ncsu.edu (James Grady Ward)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.star-trek,alt.tv.star-trek.voyager,aus.sf.star-trek,othernet.spacenet.star-trek,alt.startrek,alt.startrek.borg,alt.startrek.cardassian,alt.startrek.klingon,alt.startrek.romulan,alt.startrek.vulcan,rec.arts.startrek.current,rec.arts.st
rtrek.fandom,rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.startrek.tech,uk.media.tv.sf.startrek
Subject: Re: Star Trek: First Contact - A+ + + + + + + + + + +
Date: 13 Dec 1996 21:51:35 GMT
Organization: North Carolina State University
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Distribution: world
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References: <329913...@owlnet.rice.edu> <57d9d4$1...@nuke.csu.net> <329DD1...@jwp.bc.ca> <32A22B...@wow.com> <5825li$m...@taco.cc.ncsu.edu> <32AE
08E4...@ix.netcom.com> <Pine.A41.3.94.961210...@acs2.acs.ucalgary.ca> <32B0EF...@ix.netcom.com>
Reply-To: jgw...@eos.ncsu.edu (James Grady Ward)
NNTP-Posting-Host: c00354-106ps.eos.ncsu.edu
X-Newsreader: mxrn 6.18-30
h:9915 uk.media.tv.sf.startrek:5445
I can't see anything wrong with them, though the thread is posted to a
fair few groups. The particularly strange thing is that this thread has
obviously been running for a while but none of it seems to have appeared
on Demon, and it is the only thread that's missing.
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Harp not on that string.
Terrance Richard Boyes
Phil Payne (Ph...@sievers.com) wrote:
>
> Has anyone written (e.g.) a REXX script to set the date in NNTP.DAT
Yeah, just finished it :)
There's a copy on my Demon homepages (and at the address below), from
tezsoft.html It's actually ARexx, but it should just be a case of changing
a couple of filenames
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Peter Ceresole
In article <32b73527...@news.demon.co.uk>,
b...@dtseven.demon.co.uk (Brian Greenfield) wrote:
>BTW, was it only me who noticed the contradiction in Malcolm statement
>about news. There's too much of it about, but nobody uses it! To quote
>Blackadder, "Like sex, there's plenty of it about, but I don't seem to
>get any of it."
Is there a contradiction? If they store news for forwarding, then that part
of the operation is quite independent of how many users access news.
--
Peter
Jon
>
>And it's now up to 18 hours. Well, it's one way of making
>sure I get some work done this weekend. There's no chance
>of wasting any time with news reading, is there?
>
I made a post in the wee small hours of Wednesday morning which still
hasn't appeared on Demon, although someone from a different ISP mailed
me about it on Wednesday afternoon. It's now been over 45 hours since
it was posted!
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Mike Mann
In article <850646...@microvst.demon.co.uk>,
tg...@microvst.demon.co.uk ("Anthony R. Gold") wrote:
{About the missing articles from Friday/Saturday]
>And don't hold your breath. They're gone.
I was surprised to see that all my missing articles turned up on
news.demon this (Thursday) afternoon, together with some from a couple
of weeks ago which never made it on to news.demon.
Where could they have been?
Regards, Mike.
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Jon
In article <Rwj5yEAc...@skcldv.demon.co.uk>, Jon
<j...@skcldv.demon.co.ukx> writes
>In article <32b2b48...@news1.news.demon.net>, Mike Granby
><mi...@paracon.co.uk> writes
>>
>>And it's now up to 18 hours. Well, it's one way of making
>>sure I get some work done this weekend. There's no chance
>>of wasting any time with news reading, is there?
>>
>
>I made a post in the wee small hours of Wednesday morning which still
>hasn't appeared on Demon, although someone from a different ISP mailed
>me about it on Wednesday afternoon. It's now been over 45 hours since
>it was posted!
Now 66 1/2 hours and counting!
Rich Wood
In <$TECKFAB...@skcldv.demon.co.uk>,
Jon <j...@skcldv.demon.co.ukx> wrote:
(not snipped due to renaming and CC to com...@demon.net)
>In article <Rwj5yEAc...@skcldv.demon.co.uk>, Jon
><j...@skcldv.demon.co.ukx> writes
>>In article <32b2b48...@news1.news.demon.net>, Mike Granby
>><mi...@paracon.co.uk> writes
>>>
>>>And it's now up to 18 hours. Well, it's one way of making
>>>sure I get some work done this weekend. There's no chance
>>>of wasting any time with news reading, is there?
>>>
>>
>>I made a post in the wee small hours of Wednesday morning which still
>>hasn't appeared on Demon, although someone from a different ISP mailed
>>me about it on Wednesday afternoon. It's now been over 45 hours since
>>it was posted!
>
>
>Now 66 1/2 hours and counting!
again. It's the only way i can explain the fact that my posts from
Friday seem to be missing, yet my posts from Saturday are here. But
because I'm using Agent, Demon will most likely blame this and ignore
the problem.
Rich
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Richard Clayton
In article <$TECKFAB...@skcldv.demon.co.uk>, Jon
<j...@skcldv.demon.co.ukx> writes
>>I made a post in the wee small hours of Wednesday morning which still
>>hasn't appeared on Demon, although someone from a different ISP mailed
>>me about it on Wednesday afternoon. It's now been over 45 hours since
>>it was posted!
>
>
>Now 66 1/2 hours and counting!
general observation: unless you give the article ID then no-one can
independantly check to see whether the article is on the demon machines.
This is ALWAYS true of problem reports for news.
specific observation: the news system is rather different today than it
was on Wednesday. This means that there is little mileage in a post
mortem on what happened to your article :(
I assume that the advice on correcting NEWNEWS times has been followed,
because otherwise you'll miss more than one article.
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Rich Wood
In <32c01e53...@betanews.demon.co.uk>,
rich...@bamf.demon.co.uk (Rich Wood) wrote:
>I'd stopped counting if I were you. Demon seem to be losing posts
>again. It's the only way i can explain the fact that my posts from
>Friday seem to be missing, yet my posts from Saturday are here. But
>because I'm using Agent, Demon will most likely blame this and ignore
>the problem.
original and the resbmission appeared sometime between 12:00 and 18:30
today, the date&time stamps (created at send time not creation time)
are 20/12/9...@19.16 and 22/12/9...@11.54. Seeing as articles I posted on
21/12/96 arrived before all of this, is betanews/news doing something
very strange with the newsfeed?
Rich
Brian {Hamilton Kelly}
In article <CYxYE...@sktb.demon.co.uk>
p...@sktb.demon.co.uk "Paul L. Allen" writes:
> The strange thing is that I can't see *why* it would help to process in
> reverse order. There was a news server for VAX/VMS that did this - articles
> that were to be sent on to other systems were placed in the same directory
> with the same filename (the name of the destination server, IIRC) but
> different version numbers (this relied on the fact that when you create a
> file with the same name that already exists VMS creates it with a higher
> version number rather than overwriting the existing one). That by itself
> didn't fully explain the peculiarity though - when the time came to batch
> up the articles the author relied on simple directory calls which returned
> the name and version number of the file with the highest version if you
> specified a version of 0. The sequence was something like:
>
> append foo.txt;0 foo.batch
> delete foo.txt;0
>
> Of course, he could have avoided the reverse ordering and speeded up the
> program considerably by using the directory scanning calls. Or he could
> have used the little-known trick that `dir foo.txt;-1' returns the *lowest*
> version.
Point of information: ";-1" returns the next to the latest version (e.g.
if ;123, ;20, and ;1 all exist, then ;0 will return ;123, whilst ;-1 will
return ;20). The same goes for ;-2, etc. The *really* little-known
"trick" is to ask for ";-0", which *does* return the *lowest* version.
Incidentally, the ";-1", ";-2", etc., version specifiers return nothing
if there's only one version extant. WHereas ";-0" *will* return the one
and only version present, on the grounds that it is the lowest version
present (as well as being the highest).
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Matthew Lemin
In article <2Ediu2Av...@turnpike.com>, Richard Clayton
<ric...@turnpike.com> writes
[snip}
>specific observation: the news system is rather different today than it
>was on Wednesday. This means that there is little mileage in a post
>mortem on what happened to your article :(
>
What is different about the news system today compared with Wednesday?
Have I missed an announcement?
Or are you just referring to the article content?
--
Matthew Lemin