Time server
John Hall
<b...@gryphon.demon.co.uk> writes
>Kev Metcalfe <kmet...@rnib.org.uk> wrote:
>>And for all those of you who can never remember which way to put their
>>clocks every 6 months; remember this: "Spring Forward, Fall Back"!
>
>Is it me but I've always considered "Fall" to be an american phrase yet,
>I here more and more people use it nowadays. Does any region of this
>wonderful country use "Fall" by default, or should we all start saying
>autumn again?
>
I believe the word "fall" actually predates "autumn", and was used by
Shakespeare. I think either term should be acceptable.
--
I don't know anything about music.
In my line you don't have to.
Elvis Presley (1935-1977)
George Derek Middleton
>
> (damn - I can remember 'every good boy deserves favours' but I can't
> remember what the bloody hell it refers to. Mnemonics for mnemonics,
> anyone?)
The notes coresponding to the lines on the treble clef.
--
by George!
Friday
Mi...@tauzero.demon.co.uk "Mike Fleming" writes:
> (damn - I can remember 'every good boy deserves favours' but I can't
> remember what the bloody hell it refers to. Mnemonics for mnemonics,
> anyone?)
Nah, it was
---------------------------Football---------
--------------------Deserves----------------
--------------Boy---------------------------
--------Good--------------------------------
-Every-------------------------------------- wasn'it?
--
Lettuce, beetroot, ommelettes, ice-cream and wine.
Stuart Baldwin
an...@warman.demon.co.uk "Anna Warman" writes:
> In article <814913...@cobalt.demon.co.uk>
> fri...@cobalt.demon.co.uk "Friday" writes:
>
> > Mi...@tauzero.demon.co.uk "Mike Fleming" writes:
> >
> > > (damn - I can remember 'every good boy deserves favours' but I can't
> > > remember what the bloody hell it refers to. Mnemonics for mnemonics,
> > > anyone?)
> >
> > Nah, it was
> > ---------------------------Football---------
> > --------------------Deserves----------------
> > --------------Boy---------------------------
> > --------Good--------------------------------
> > -Every-------------------------------------- wasn'it?
>
> How about: Father Christmas Goes Down All Escalators Backwards?
We used to have this one as: British European Airways Dumping Ground
[something] [something].
--
Stuart Baldwin - at home IRC: Hardgum
http://uptown.turnpike.net/~boxatrix/
*** Yes, it's got the squiggle at last - new URL - New pages ***
Craig Oldfield
> How about: Father Christmas Goes Down All Escalators Backwards?
Or even Bad Boys Ravish all Young Girls But Virgins Go Without?
--
Craig Oldfield
Steve Firth
Craig Oldfield <Cr...@thebrink.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> How about: Father Christmas Goes Down All Escalators Backwards?
>
>Or even Bad Boys Ravish all Young Girls But Virgins Go Without?
The Girls Can Flirt And Other Queer Things Can Do.
Or there was the name of the eastern potentate:
Ha! Heli-beb-C'Nofne-Namgalsipsclar
and:
Kathleen Never Can Manage Alive Zebra, For Sinful Plumbo has Cudgeled
Hagan's Angry Aunt
--
Steve Firth . Minnie Mouse is a slow maze learner.
st...@firthcom.demon.co.uk .
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Config from sigFried 0.1a .
Sarah King
fri...@cobalt.demon.co.uk "Friday" writes:
> Aha! Now, that one I know. Hydrogen, Helium, Lithium, Berylium...
> Something like that, anyway.
Antimony Arsenic Aluminum Selenium, and Hydrogen and Oxygen and Nitrogen and
Renium ......
--
Sarah
. . "I think I'm getting a little confidence now."
.
. . Sir John Geilgud at 71
Friday
an...@warman.demon.co.uk "Anna Warman" writes:
> ANNA, who's wondering how many people have read this far down this post. :)
Not I, that's for sure. zzzZZZZZ... =)
--
This post has been brought to you today by the letters A and Q,
and by the number 4.
Steve Firth
Friday <fri...@cobalt.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Aha! Now, that one I know. Hydrogen, Helium, Lithium, Berylium...
>Something like that, anyway.
Yes, the first two lines of the periodic table.
--
Steve Firth . In a single day, Samson slew a thousand
st...@firthcom.demon.co.uk . Philistines with the jawbone of an ass. Every
Random sigs for Internet . day, thousands of sales are killed with the
Config from sigFried 0.1a . same weapon.
Angela Robinson
>
> In article <815094...@warman.demon.co.uk>
> an...@warman.demon.co.uk "Anna Warman" writes:
>
>
> Can anybody explain to me why music notation has to be so bloody
> complicated? I can't believe anybody finds this stuff makes the music easier
> to follow. My few faltering attempts to learn to play an instrument have all
> foundered because my brain can't operate my fingers, read a page full of
> tadpoles, and keep time simultaneously ...
>
>
Eeerrrmmm, well, it's like this......
If just anyone could do it, there would be no mystique and
all serious artistes(dwaling) would lose all street cred.
I find it impossible for my brain to operate fingers..
...full stop. And hope eventually to have a scar to prove it.
Ange(who came unstuck when the"move"command didnt reach
fingers b4 the door did....and I'll never play the
ophicleide again!)
Dominic Ramsey
> ANNA, who's wondering how many people have read this far down this post. :)
Well I did, but that's probably because I usually read your posts backwards.
> each ocatave up being twice the number of cycles to the previous one.
I gave up somewehere around here.
John Davies
Richard Of York Gained Battles In Vain.
--
____/\ http:/uptown.turnpike.net/K/KrazyKat/
\ o o |
=( @ )=
^ JD.
Steve Firth
Tim Bierman <t...@bierman.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> Happy Helium Lives Between Fenny's Knees. Nancy's Maggots Always
>> Sing erm something like that...
>
>Ermm ... which periodic table are you working from?
Looks like the one that leads to a fit of chocolate eating each month.
--
Steve Firth . Psychiatrists say that one out of four people
st...@firthcom.demon.co.uk . are mentally ill. Check three friends. If
Random sigs for Internet . they're ok, you're it.
Richard Ashton
jo...@jhall.demon.co.uk "John Hall" writes:
} In article <815128...@lgab.demon.co.uk>, leo <l...@lgab.demon.co.uk>
} writes
} >In article <ftBw+UAC...@jhall.demon.co.uk>
} > jo...@jhall.demon.co.uk "John Hall" writes:
} >
} >> >Black, Brown, Red, Orange, Yellow, Green, Blue, Violet, Grey, White
} >> > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
} >>
} >> I'm not familiar with this variant of snooker.
} >
} >
} >Resistor colour code, silly boy
} >
} >
} Thanks. I knew a daft comment would be the best way to find out what it
} was. So these are the resistances in ohms (and is a resistor with zero
} restistance a resistor :-) ?
Not your night John, it's a code, so 100 ohms is Brown, black, black
And yes, there is a way to tell which end you start, cos the other end
has silver, gold, etc. colours indicating the resistors tolerance as
a percentage.
OK.
{R}
Dominic Ramsey
> In article <ACBA78F0...@firthcom.demon.co.uk>
> fil...@firthcom.demon.co.uk "Steve Firth" writes:
>
> > Or there was the name of the eastern potentate:
> >
> > Ha! Heli-beb-C'Nofne-Namgalsipsclar
>
> Happy Helium Lives Between Fenny's Knees. Nancy's Maggots Always
> Sing erm something like that...
Nonono!
Has Henry Lifted Beans Because Colin's Nose Opens Frontwards. Never Nail
Maggots. Always Sing Pop Songs Clapping Arabic KrNO CARRIER
John Hall
<p...@sktb.demon.co.uk> writes
>Buggered if I know. How about: How I want a drink, alcoholic of course,
>after the heavy chapters involving Quantum Mechanics?
The first 15 (if I've counted correctly) digits of Pi, the code being
the number of letters in each word rather than their initial letters.
--
You can get more with a kind word and a gun
than you can with a kind word alone.
Al Capone (1899-1947)
Paul Spencer
>Not your night John, it's a code, so 100 ohms is Brown, black, black
A long time since I used this code, but ISTR 100 ohms would be brown,
black, brown (the last being the number of 0's to add).
--
Paul
Steve Rogers
In article <815207...@allwinds.demon.co.uk> Martin Edmonds
<mar...@allwinds.demon.co.uk> writes:
>In article <634...@thebeast.zynet.co.uk>
> steve...@thebeast.zynet.co.uk "Steve Rogers" writes:
>
>> Whoa Oh Be A Fine Girl, Kiss Me Right Now Sweetheart
>>
>> ?
>
>Star types, but what is the W? Is it a new one?
AFAIK it's an *old* one, now considered to be a subtype of O.
But the acronym's actually the only part of the knowledge I can remember
without looking it up in my Larrousse.
--
Steve Rogers = steve...@thebeast.zynet.co.uk
http://www.zynet.co.uk/thebeast/
Paul L. Allen
Terrance Richard Boyes <t...@pierrot.demon.co.uk> writes:
> John Davies (Jo...@jwd42.demon.co.uk) wrote:
> >
> > Richard Of York Gained Battles In Vain.
>
> We know a song about this, don't we boys and girls.
>
> Men Very Easily Make Jam Sandwiches Under No Pressure
Make A Jam Sandwich, surely. And `No Pressure' is incorrect right now if
you're talking about current distance from the sun rather than furthest
distance.
--Paul
Paul L. Allen
steve...@thebeast.zynet.co.uk (Steve Rogers) writes:
>
> All right, what about:
>
> Whoa Oh Be A Fine Girl, Kiss Me Right Now Sweetheart
Right Now, Sweetheart, Quickly. Innit?
--Paul
Jason Crouch
<fil...@firthcom.demon.co.uk> writes
>In article <318294...@orla.demon.co.uk>,
>William Oakey <Bi...@orla.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>But surely (technically of course) nothing currently has zero resistance, no
>>matter how many degrees you cool it by?.
>
>Quite the opposite Bill, there are a number of high temperature
>superconductors, where "high" means something around -197C.
Made some of them once.
j.
--
black powder
Dave Bird / St Hippo of Augustine
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In article: <815103...@bierman.demon.co.uk> Tim Bierman <t...@bierman.demon.co.uk> writes:
>
> > ANNA, who's wondering how many people have read this far down this post. :)
>
> I gave up when I saw you'd written "one but last" ... :-)
>
> --
> Tim [We are normal and we want our freedom]
> (.%%%%%% + o;==;-)
>
This is boredom you can afford
from CYRIL LORD.
A long time ago I did an interview with Viv for someone's amateur magazine:
the main act was Procul Harum, but all their big numbers were playing away
in the background as we sat talking in the dressing room....
--Regards,
X E M U
Craig Oldfield
writes:
> I just thought I'd step in with some more up to date information. These
> days, resistors come with numbers printed on the side.
Bloody kids today have it easy, in my day you had to weigh the resistors
during a full moon to get their value.
--
Craig Oldfield
Tom Kellett
8<
>
> Just to make life easier/more difficult, the resistor values available
> are certain specific ones which (allegedly) mean you can create any
> other resistance with a minimum number of resistors connected in series
> or parallel.
8=
Close, but no cigar Mike.
The values are selected according to the tolerance.
E12 range normally 10% and E24 normally 5%
There's no point having a +/-10% tol resistor with a nominal value
between any of the E12 preferred values.
>
> Some values I know and love: 10, 12, 15, 18, 22, 27?, 33, 36, 47, 56,
> with apologies for the many omissions.
My own favourites are; 82 and 91. :)
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Neil Tungate
>Not your night John, it's a code, so 100 ohms is Brown, black, black
Since you last played with hardware Richard, they changed it. There
are now 4 bands to allow for 3 significant figures plus the
multiplier, making the 100 ohm jobbie: Brown, Black, Black, Black.
--
Neil (Team Ada)
http://uptown.turnpike.net/~skipper/
Alec Cawley
Bi...@orla.demon.co.uk "William Oakey" writes:
> In article: <ACBDB66C9...@158.152.44.50> fil...@firthcom.demon.co.uk
> (Steve Firth) writes:
>
> >
> > Quite the opposite Bill, there are a number of high temperature
> > superconductors, where "high" means something around -197C.
> >
>
> I would still debate the point that they have zero resistance.
Well, I am informed that if you induce a current in a superconducting loop,
the current will circulate _for ever_. This sounds like zero resistance to
me. SF writers use this as a battery; this is what powered the Monolith on
the moon in the book of 2001.
I think that the electrons in a superconductor are tied up in some Quantum
Mechanical way in which they are not _allowed_ to lose energy while remaining
in the superconductor.
--
Alec....@quantel.com Grave, Crypt and Tomb mean more or less the same;
[100560,313] Engraved, Encrypted and Entombed don't.
Hugh Thomson
pa...@galuk.demon.co.uk (Paul Spencer) wrote:
>mnemonic.
>
>See our Harry catch a haddock, trawling off America.
I always just remembered it as SOHCAHTOA (pronounced - sockcatoea)
Paul L. Allen
Wijnand Thompson <dro...@walhall.demon.co.uk> writes:
> In article <318294...@orla.demon.co.uk> , William Oakey
> <mailto:Bi...@orla.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > But surely (technically of course) nothing currently has zero resistance,
> > no matter how many degrees you cool it by?.
>
> If my understanding is correct, this is only because nobody has yet
> managed to cool anything to absolute zero.
You don't have to reach absolute zero (not that you can anyway) to get
superconductivity. Superconductivity was exhibited in pure metals many
many years ago at around 0.4K (value quoted from a vague memory). Newer
superconductors work somewhere near liquid nitrogen temperatures. And
the resistance is truly zero.
--Paul
Tim Bierman
Bi...@orla.demon.co.uk "William Oakey" writes:
> But surely (technically of course) nothing currently has zero resistance, no
> matter how many degrees you cool it by?.
Oh yes it does! It ain't just very small, it's actually zero ... in the same
way that there is no resistance slowing down an electron going around an
atom.
(Well, OK, that's only a rough analogy, before the real physicists wade in
to correct me ... but the point is that it's a quantum mechanical thing,
such that the electrons have no lower energy state to drop into, so they
can't lose energy. Something about pairing up so their spins add up to a
whole number, and they no longer want to interact with other electrons.
Similarly, because helium has two electrons, these pair off at low
temperatures and you get a fluid with no mechanical resistance).
--
Tim [We are normal and we want our freedom]
(Team TCPL :) (.%%%%%% + o;==;-)
Tim Bierman
jo...@jhall.demon.co.uk "John Hall" writes:
> > And yes, there is a way to tell which end you start, cos the other end
> > has silver, gold, etc. colours indicating the resistors tolerance as
> > a percentage.
>
> I did pass A-level Physics at school, believe it or not, but it *was* a
> long time ago. I don't recall much about electricity beyond Ohm's Law
> now, I'm afraid.
Ohm's law was about *all* the electronics we were taught in physics A-level!
We didn't do any real circuit stuff (valves, transistors, etc.) at all :(
Popular
> In article: <815272...@tauzero.demon.co.uk> Mike Fleming
> <Mi...@tauzero.demon.co.uk> writes:
>
> >
> > Ah, right. But I don't read dots.
> >
>
> Start message: * *
.-- .... -.-- -. --- - ..|- ... --.- ..-|.. - . . .- ... -.--
W H Y N O T I T S Q U I T E E A S Y
.. ..-. -.-- --- ..- .--. ..- - -- .. -. -.. - -- ..
I F Y O U P U T M I N D T M I
^ --.- .-. -. ..--.. ^
<*>= pauses inserted
>
> A virtual pint to the person who can translate the above, I have left it in
> English to make it easier.
>
>
> "-- --- .-. ... . -.-. --- -.. . "
M O R S E C O D E
--.- .-. .... .-.-.
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Richard Ashton
fil...@firthcom.demon.co.uk "Steve Firth" writes:
} In article <815352804s...@corixia.demon.co.uk>,
} Richard Ashton <ric...@corixia.demon.co.uk> wrote:
}
} >OK! the OA81 first, then the temperature limits on an OC35.
}
} Or how if you scraped the paint of an OC44 you had an photodetector.
} (Hoping he got the number right after all these years, it may have been an
} OC71)
It was the OC71. The OCP71 was the "official" photo-sensitive
transistor and was 5 time the price of the OC71, when the
manufacturers found out we were scraping the black paint off OC71's to
make them into OCP71's they filled the OC71's with an opaque
jelly, bastards.
{R}
APOSIOPESIS : noun, a sudden stopping of speach
Tim Bierman
Coo...@meepmeep.demon.co.uk "Malcolm Cleaton" writes:
> I just thought I'd step in with some more up to date information. These
> days, resistors come with numbers printed on the side.
Only if they are sooper-high-precision ones ... and, boy, are those little
numbers hard to read. Ordinary resistors still use colour codes, but some
berk decided to make the standard background colour blue! It's easiest to
use them straight out of the packet/drawer, and check them with a meter if
in doubt.
--
Tim [We are normal and we want our freedom]
Tim Bierman
Bi...@orla.demon.co.uk "William Oakey" writes:
> Yes, I understand that the Americans have got it down to fractions of
> a degree above absolute.
Around a microdegree, even. The methods they use are pretty weird, to say
the least ... like apparently you can pump heat out of something by applying
and de-applying a magnetic field to a piece of copper.
The coldest place in the known universe until recently was in Lancaster (as
the people who live there will doubtless confirm) ... but for the moment the
record is in the States ... NIST, or Cornell, or somewhere like that.
John Hall
<t...@bierman.demon.co.uk> writes
>In article <EH528+Ag...@jhall.demon.co.uk>
> jo...@jhall.demon.co.uk "John Hall" writes:
>
>> I did pass A-level Physics at school, believe it or not, but it *was* a
>> long time ago. I don't recall much about electricity beyond Ohm's Law
>> now, I'm afraid.
>
>Ohm's law was about *all* the electronics we were taught in physics A-level!
>We didn't do any real circuit stuff (valves, transistors, etc.) at all :(
>
That bit of the course was called "Electricity and Magnetism" back in my
day (1967), none of that trendy "electronics" nonsense.
--
The only way to get rid of a temptation is to yield to it.
Oscar Wilde (1854-1900)
Paul L. Allen
fil...@firthcom.demon.co.uk (Steve Firth) writes:
> In article <815352804s...@corixia.demon.co.uk>,
> Richard Ashton <ric...@corixia.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >OK! the OA81 first, then the temperature limits on an OC35.
>
> Or how if you scraped the paint of an OC44 you had an photodetector.
> (Hoping he got the number right after all these years, it may have been an
> OC71)
OC71, which was bloody expensive (ISTR 17/6, which in those days was a
small fortune). Scraping the paint off turned it into an OCP71, which
was many times more expensive than an OC71. As soon as this idea spread,
Mullard responded by filling the glass case with silicone putty which you
couldn't remove without destroying the device. Bastards.
--Paul
Tim Bierman
jo...@jhall.demon.co.uk "John Hall" writes:
> Ah, maybe that's why I don't recall anything else :-)
> That bit of the course was called "Electricity and Magnetism" back in my
> day (1967), none of that trendy "electronics" nonsense.
That's about the right era. A "potentiometer" was a piece of resistance wire
stretched along a metre rule ... and a variable resistor was called a
"rheostat", weighed several kilos, and could take about 15 amps ...
Mike Fleming
fil...@firthcom.demon.co.uk "Steve Firth" writes:
> My major headache being that I wanted to be a vet and I couldn't see much
> use for this stuff.
I still have days when I wish I hadn't given up vet college after 2 terms,
so I could be out in a field with my arm up a cow's arse. Better than
amending the crap code that almost all other programmers write.
--
Mike (DF) Fleming MAG #79794 DoD #4446 Greenpeace #567708F
JKLO #004 KotWP7
Preservation of habitats is a fundamental need
Forests and lakes and rivers should be put in front of greed
Mike Fleming
Bi...@orla.demon.co.uk "William Oakey" writes:
> Did anyone use diodes instead of crystals in their 'crystal'
> radios?.
Yes, I did. OA summit, possibly 91.
Tom Kellett
> In article: <8153589...@takdsign.demon.co.uk> t...@takdsign.demon.co.uk
> (Popular) writes:
>
> > > Start message: * *
> > .-- .... -.-- -. --- - ..|- ... --.- ..-|.. - . . .- ... -.--
> >
> > W H Y N O T I T S Q U I T E E A S Y
> >
> > .. ..-. -.-- --- ..- .--. ..- - -- .. -. -.. - -- ..
> > I F Y O U P U T M I N D T M I
> >
> > ^ --.- .-. -. ..--.. ^
> Well it has been about ten years since I last used it,
> if we ever meet I will buy you a pint for the transltion
> and a pint for the dodgy spelling.
Cheers Bill, I can put away the boy scout's handbook now.
[I never got above 8wpm anyway :( ]
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Craig Oldfield
writes:
> Strikes breast and exits with head hung low.
Anna's? Is Head Hung Low any relation of Kai Lung?
--
Craig Oldfield
William Oakey
<ste...@bronco.demon.co.uk> writes:
>
> Ah, *that* problem. I've just discovered it. I have to write a network
> simulator with three other lads. We were all inputing into the design
> doing the structure chart, but one lad was doing most of it, and it grew
> into a monster, was too complicated, and wouldn't work. (IMHO, of
> course:), so I 'corrected' the design, (started again), and he
> complained it was too simple, he couldn't program his bit from it, and
> it was total crap and wouldn't work. Ah, the pleasures of group work.:)
Sounds like a microcosm of the brilliant stock exchange system, I bet
that hurt.
--
Bill Oakey
"Excreta Tauri Astutos Frustrantur"
William Oakey
<Cr...@thebrink.demon.co.uk> writes:
>
> Anna's? Is Head Hung Low any relation of Kai Lung?
>
He is a relative of Wun Hung Lo.
Chris Gilliard
>> the people who live there will doubtless confirm)
>There has definitely been a bit of a nip in the air recently...
Passing Japanese tourist?
--
<sb>
Chris Gilliard London, U.K.
e-mail Ch...@gilliard.compulink.co.uk
Ch...@gilliard.demon.co.uk
<sb>
Stevie Hocking
> In article: <526634...@bronco.demon.co.uk> Stevie Hocking
> <ste...@bronco.demon.co.uk> writes:
>
> Sounds like a microcosm of the brilliant stock exchange system, I bet
> that hurt.
could do it in half the time and much better if you did it by yourself,
(and for what we are doing we could), then yes, prolly. But how would it
hurt?
--
"You haven't got the sense you were born with! And a good thing too!"
E-Mail: ste...@bronco.demon.co.uk s.ho...@uclan.ac.uk
Mike Fleming
p...@sktb.demon.co.uk "Paul L. Allen" writes:
> OC71, which was bloody expensive (ISTR 17/6, which in those days was a
> small fortune). Scraping the paint off turned it into an OCP71, which
> was many times more expensive than an OC71. As soon as this idea spread,
> Mullard responded by filling the glass case with silicone putty which you
> couldn't remove without destroying the device. Bastards.
Remember Uncle Clive's books of transistor circuits (more like pamphlets
than books)? I think they mentioned a price of a fiver for an OC71/OC72:
silicon transistors were unheard of then.
Iolo Davidson
Mi...@tauzero.demon.co.uk "Mike Fleming" writes:
> Remember Uncle Clive's books of transistor circuits (more like
> pamphlets than books)?
I have one right here. "Transistor Subminiature Receivers
Handbook for the Home Constructor", six and sixpence in the old
money. First published in 1961, but reprinted in 1970; rather a
long run.
> I think they mentioned a price of a fiver for an OC71/OC72:
> silicon transistors were unheard of then.
One of Sinclair's first mail order ventures was to buy up
transistor manufacturers fallouts and sort out the one that
tested usable and sell them at a lower spec.
--
SHE RAISED CAIN SMOOTHED AWAY
WHEN HE RAISED STUBBLE THEIR TROUBLE?
GUESS WHAT Burma-Shave
Craig Oldfield
> > Anna's? Is Head Hung Low any relation of Kai Lung?
> He is a relative of Wun Hung Lo.
Ah I See.
--
Craig Oldfield
William Oakey
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In article: <587133...@bronco.demon.co.uk> Stevie Hocking
<ste...@bronco.demon.co.uk> writes:
> If you mean that kind of co-operation you only get when you know you
> could do it in half the time and much better if you did it by yourself,
> (and for what we are doing we could), then yes, prolly. But how would it
> hurt?
>
Taurus had too many people wanting to have too much functionality in
a system, they all (banks and trading houses) wanted the system to
do things their way. The result was a disaster and cost millions of pounds
in corporate cash (sniggerrrrrr), I would say that the share holders were
hurt (poor babies) by the waste of cash and resulting drain on premiums.
--
Bill Oakey
First rule of software engineering = " If you open a can of worms, you
will need a bigger can to put them back into"
John McGinlay
> Remember Uncle Clive's books of transistor circuits (more like pamphlets
> than books)? I think they mentioned a price of a fiver for an OC71/OC72:
> silicon transistors were unheard of then.
Was that Clive? I thought his brother (Robert?) did all them 'Babini'
books?
--
John McGinlay (who always wanted a C5 as his company car)
Tom Kellett
>
> Remember Uncle Clive's books of transistor circuits (more like pamphlets
> than books)? I think they mentioned a price of a fiver for an OC71/OC72:
> silicon transistors were unheard of then.
Yes! I still have a copy of one of his Babani books wherein he states that
integrated circuits are an interesting experiment but will probably never become
commonplace. [or words to that effect. :) ]
__
[TAK]
Paul Spencer
>So, make your resistor, then measure its
>resistance and allocate it to the appropriate category. Simplifies
>quality control no end.
It may be different now, but resistors used to be a lousy example for
checking normal distributions ...
Take a batch of 10% resistors all with the same nominal resistance.
Plot a histogram of actual resistance in (say) half percent bands.
Looks like a normal distribution with a bloody great hole in the
middle where the manufacturer selected the 5% and 2% tolerance
resistors.
--
Paul
Paul Spencer
>Did anyone use diodes instead of crystals in their 'crystal'
>radios?.
Yes.
During vac work, someone drew a circuit diagram of a crystal set on
the wall, using a diode. So we built it on top of the circuit diagram.
Worked a treat.
Michael J Dower
I built mine using a diode, a small "transistor radio" variable
capacitor, a high impedance ear piece, and a tapped coil that I wound on
a cardboard former.
The aerial ran out of the window up to a bunya nut tree some 80 feet
high (we lived in the country at the time), and the ground wire was
connected to the waterpipe (they were metal back then).
The first station I heard was our local MW station from about 7 miles
away. That night I heard the BBC, VOA, Radio Moscow, an Indonesia
broadcaster, and lots of stations transmitting morse code that was way
too fast for me to receive at the time.
Mike Dower
G0VEY 'Quoth the raven, "Never more".' ... Poe
VK2ENG
Friday
apr...@postern.demon.co.uk "Alan Price" writes:
> Alan (default sig follows)
> --
> Alan Price "One day, I rested my head on a small pile of
> apr...@postern.demon.co.uk books... and dreamed. I saw the reality of the
> (Liverpool in Mundania) face of a foreigner; I learnt a new skill which
> * Default smiley- 8^) would be taught everywhere." T'ang Yin 1470-1523
Every time, so it counts as a six line .sig, don't it?
--
Fresher's Guide: The Free Nelson Mandela Society.
This is very good - join at once, and claim your free Nelson Mandela.
William Oakey
Message-ID: <422397...@orla.demon.co.uk>
Date: Thursday, Nov 09, 1995 22.12.19Lines: 22
In article: <815939...@cobalt.demon.co.uk> Friday <fri...@cobalt.demon.co.uk>
writes:
> --
> Fresher's Guide: The Free Nelson Mandela Society.
>
> This is very good - join at once, and claim your free Nelson Mandela.
>
My Students Union elected (along with others) to have Winston Silcott
as head of the Student Union UK, my how we laughed. Actually I was
the only student who was not a member (it was and possibly still is
obligatory), I was told "you have to join",I didn't.
Any other tack may have succeded.
Alan Price
fri...@cobalt.demon.co.uk "Friday" writes:
> In article <815739...@postern.demon.co.uk>
> apr...@postern.demon.co.uk "Alan Price" writes:
>
> > Alan (default sig follows)
> > --
> > Alan Price "One day, I rested my head on a small pile of
> > apr...@postern.demon.co.uk books... and dreamed. I saw the reality of the
> > (Liverpool in Mundania) face of a foreigner; I learnt a new skill which
> > * Default smiley- 8^) would be taught everywhere." T'ang Yin 1470-1523
>
> Every time, so it counts as a six line .sig, don't it?
Not quite every time. I put the (default sig) bit in after someone (Iolo,
ISTR) pointed out that some people have readers that normally crop the sig
and someone else (Cris) admitted to skipping the sigs anyway. If it says
'default sig', it means that you aren't missing anything by not reading
it. Only trying to be helpful. As to the 'Alan' bit, that's what I am used
to as the correspondence convention- 'Alan' is friendly, 'Alan Price'
is formal, 'Mr. Price' followed by qualifications if I'm expecting some
money for my efforts. Which is why you won't see that one here 8-).
If you don't want these clues, just say so and I'll leave them out.
Richard Ashton
apr...@postern.demon.co.uk "Alan Price" writes:
} Not quite every time. I put the (default sig) bit in after someone (Iolo,
} ISTR) pointed out that some people have readers that normally crop the sig
} and someone else (Cris) admitted to skipping the sigs anyway. If it says
} 'default sig', it means that you aren't missing anything by not reading
} it. Only trying to be helpful. As to the 'Alan' bit, that's what I am used
} to as the correspondence convention- 'Alan' is friendly, 'Alan Price'
} is formal, 'Mr. Price' followed by qualifications if I'm expecting some
} money for my efforts. Which is why you won't see that one here 8-).
}
} If you don't want these clues, just say so and I'll leave them out.
Yes please, because then we get an acceptable if not desirable 4 line
sig.
Much of the 4 line sig argument is not really over bandwidth or length
but over repetition of useless information.
In a wibble group like d.l it is perfectly acceptable and indeed
sometimes incredibly funny, to add just one line to a statement. If
this is then followed by 6 lines of <....> that everyone has seen
hundreds of times before then it gets tedious.
The only "rule" that can be quoted at these tedious sigers is the
four line one. If you observe d.l you will see that many people use
one or two line sigs, particularly if their contribution has been only
to add a line or two. These are the truly aware posters in d.l.
Personally if somebody writes 3 screenfulls of whitty original material
I, for one, am not going to complain if the sig creeps to 5 or 6 lines.
But the same 4 lines or automated 6 lines with a fake --, as has been
done in the past, is tedious, unnecessary and particularly unwelcome if
it follows a one line comment, and is repeated *every* post.
It's usually called signal to noise ratio.
All the above is *my* opinion, and not that of the ......
{R}
CARIOUS : adj, rotten or decayed
Friday
ric...@corixia.demon.co.uk "Richard Ashton" writes:
> Personally if somebody writes 3 screenfulls of whitty original material
> I, for one, am not going to complain if the sig creeps to 5 or 6 lines.
*boggle* OK, what have you done with {R}?
> All the above is *my* opinion, and not that of the ......
*spit*
--
eV@p 1s 2 uSEnEt wh@t c@rr0Ts {R} 2D@y.
Charles Stewart-Jenssen
Did this one slip through the filter routines? In any event, may I
commend you on your honesty.
--
CSJ _____
^..^ \/
(oo)_____/ffffftcorixiaaaaah
WW WW
William Oakey
>
> In a wibble group like d.l it is perfectly acceptable and indeed
> sometimes incredibly funny, to add just one line to a statement. If
> this is then followed by 6 lines of <....> that everyone has seen
> hundreds of times before then it gets tedious.
>
How about a visitors book thread, everyone could register their sigs in
the thread and we could all archive them (I don't think) and refer to them
in idle moments. For the posters who have dynamic sigs we could make an
exception, I think I ought to change my name to bull shit Bill and then you
would all know I was referring to my sig (actually I am not that naive).
Dominic Ramsey
> In a wibble group like d.l it is perfectly acceptable and indeed
> sometimes incredibly funny, to add just one line to a statement. If
> this is then followed by 6 lines of <....> that everyone has seen
> hundreds of times before then it gets tedious.
Agreed totally, but would you agree that when every post like this
is followed up by two or three "fuck off, fuckwit"s or similar,
it also becomes tedious?
IMO, there are also other things that take up large amounts of
unnecessary badwidth, such as excessive quoting, which receive
little or no attention.
Iolo Davidson
d...@dynamo.demon.co.uk "Dominic Ramsey" writes:
> IMO, there are also other things that take up large amounts of
> unnecessary badwidth, such as excessive quoting, which receive
> little or no attention.
It does get attention in here, when it happens, quoting headers
esspecially. But for some reason, those who are corrected on
this point don't seem to take it as an attack on their fragile
egos. They just learn how to use their editors and there's an
end on it.
--
WHEN JUNIOR TAKES IT'S TIME TO BUY
YOUR TIES AN EXTRA JAR
AND CAR Burma-Shave
Terrance Richard Boyes
> in idle moments. For the posters who have dynamic sigs we could make an
> exception, I think I ought to change my name to bull shit Bill and then you
Hear, hear.
--
~ Warning Dynamic Fortune Sig follows ~
Do what you can with what you have, where you are. - Theodore Roosevelt
Neil Barker
d...@dynamo.demon.co.uk (Dominic Ramsey) writes:
> IMO, there are also other things that take up large amounts of
> unnecessary badwidth, such as excessive quoting, which receive
> little or no attention.
I have no wish to start an 'oh yes there has been' argument, but we have
had instances where people who quoted excessive amounts of text have
been singed - Bullers is just one of them.
--
Neil Barker : ne...@nbarker.demon.co.uk
Birmingham, England.
Mike Fleming
d...@dynamo.demon.co.uk "Dominic Ramsey" writes:
> I don't believe it gets as much attention as sig size, though. The
> neural nets thread springs to mind here...
Did you actually read enough of any posts on there to see if there _was_
excessive quoting? You're either a braver man than I, or one with more
time on his hands.
John McGinlay
Coo...@meepmeep.demon.co.uk "Malcolm Cleaton" writes:
>
> This is the problem that other place are having with the post from Paula.
> She lays a claim to the group and says certain people can't come, and no
> one disagrees. Now that that post doesn't suit the image they want,
> everyone is saying it was just her opinion and no one agreed with it,
> but in the absence of a single person standing up and being counted with
> a contrary view at the time, who really believes that?
Almost everybody who download al2l more than once. After paola's
posting containing the names of people she would rather not see,
I posted the following to that group on Sunday 5th November:
****************************************************************
In her article in the 'list fetish' thread, Paola gives some of her
reasons for migrating here asks us to be circumspect in whom we
invite to join us, and in particular names several people with whom
she is, at the moment, less than comfortable with. I understand Paolo's
reasons for wishing to delay the inclusion of some of dl's more aggressive
posters, but do feel that this has put us in something of a moral dilemma.
In particular, I have always disliked secrecy at this level, and fear that
one of the biggest dangers facing this group will be that a dl'er *not*
invited finds out: I predict that the resultant flame war would destroy
this group as well as dl, and that 'skipping ship' to the next location
is merely delaying the inevitable.
************************************************************************
There was support for this viewpoint from rather more than just the
one person that your own article suggests.
--
John McGinlay
Dominic Ramsey
> > I didn't realise it actually had any meaning. :)
>
> Hmm - if you'd actually read it you would have realised that it was a great
> deal of finely-crafted argument on my side. I would admit that the rest
> of it was often a load of old gibberish though ...
Oh. Thanks for clearing that up.
John McGinlay
Coo...@meepmeep.demon.co.uk "Malcolm Cleaton" writes:
<about wot i sed>
> Yes, but what does it mean? It seems to say that, whilst the blacklist is
> fine in principle, it might provoke someone on it to cause problems.
No, it was a refutation of your claim that nobody contradicted Paola
about the blacklist. Expressed politely, rather than in normal dl
style.
> > There was support for this viewpoint from rather more than just the
> > one person that your own article suggests.
>
> I don't understand this statement at all. Which viewpoint have I suggested
> only one person supported, which you support above? Are you saying I have
> suggested Paola is alone and that you supported her, or that I've said
> only one person disagreed with her and you did too?
Confusing, isn't it?
To aid your understanding, I read your article as saying that no-one
contradicted Paola. I quoted my article, to show that I had disagreed,
and then said that many others had also shared my viewpoint, ie they
also disagreed.
> I don't get it.
No answer to that one :)
To be honest, my reply, although quoting your own article, was really
meant as a generic reply to all those who have either killfilled al2l
en-bloc, or seem to think that all al2l posters are 'wimps, traitors,
paola's pets, etc.
--
John McGinlay (who is now rather tired of the whole al2l/dl debate)