InterNIC has bounced my .COM registration - Help needed!
Mark
A Merry Christmas to you all.
I am having problems registering a .com domain with interNIC, and it all
seems to be to do with my address.
I am in the UK and there is a note when you fill in the form on their
web server that states that if you are outside the USA, only fill in
the street address and country fields (ie. not the city,state & postcode
fields).
The country is supposed to be an ISO3166 country code - well I downloaded
the list from the internic ftp site, it reads:-
UNITED KINGDOM GB GBR 826
Well I've tried United Kingdom, UK, GB, GBR & 826 and they all fail!
My address fails also ;-(, the errors returned are
get_country_code: database error in country_codes
ERROR: invalid items 3b-3f
<8 My Street
My Town
My County
England, UK
MY POSTCODE
GB>
etc .......
Any help, or a pointer to a FAQ aor even an example non-USA interNIC request
would be appreciated.
--
Best regards - Mark
Mark
(news is too slow!)
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Regards - Mark
Anna Smith
>Could you please E-mail me with your suggestions at
>
> ma...@marks.demon.co.uk
>
>(news is too slow!)
I'd appreciate any replies to Mark copied to the newsgroups. Or perhaps
Mark would be kind enough to post a summary of replies? Cheers!
Anna Smith
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**Is it real... or is it Mimecom ?**
Marcus Bainbridge
<Ma...@marks.demon.co.uk> writes
>I am having problems registering a .com domain with interNIC, and it all
>seems to be to do with my address.
What exectly will you be doing with this .com address? It'll be no good
with your Demon account. Do you have two nameservers on different
networks? You won't be able to use the address for email or news, since
your service provider won't know about it being you. Well, not unless
you pay them #180/year, then they'll even register it for you.
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Mark
mar...@guitar.demon.co.uk "Marcus Bainbridge" writes:
> What exectly will you be doing with this .com address? It'll be no good
> with your Demon account. Do you have two nameservers on different
> networks? You won't be able to use the address for email or news, since
> your service provider won't know about it being you. Well, not unless
> you pay them #180/year, then they'll even register it for you.
Er, thanks for the info Marcus!!!
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Hi,
Has anyone outside the 'States had experience of registering with interNIC,
using the version 2 template, if so please E-mail me - Thanks.
Does anyone know when they will be returning to work following the holiday
period?
Merry Xmas & Happy New Year X
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Best regards - Mark
df...@belvedere.sbay.org
>Mark would be kind enough to post a summary of replies? Cheers!
Don't .com domains in the UK need to be .co.uk ?
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John Hall
df...@belvedere.sbay.org writes
>>I'd appreciate any replies to Mark copied to the newsgroups. Or perhaps
>>Mark would be kind enough to post a summary of replies? Cheers!
>
>Don't .com domains in the UK need to be .co.uk ?
No. Many are, but it's not compulsory. I'm aware of at least one
counterexample.
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Marcus Bainbridge
Mark
mar...@guitar.demon.co.uk "Marcus Bainbridge" writes:
> In article <slrn4e0kb...@belvdere.vip.best.com>,
> df...@belvedere.sbay.org writes
>
> >Don't .com domains in the UK need to be .co.uk ?
>
> Nope. .com addresses are one of those "act now, think later" American
> inventions
Just like the Internet itself!
> so are available for sites in any country. .co.uk are
> administered locally and don't need the hassle of several weeks of
> waiting. They are also not as easy to guess :(
Can anyone explain why Uk domains cost 200 UKP a year, plus
possibly 17.5% to the UK treasury, but com domains cost $50.00 per year.
What is the advantage of .CO.UK (it even takes longer to key in!)
This one has been puzzling me for ages.
PS. If anyone wants to rent server space connected via a FAST link to
the internet and pay in POUNDS Sterling, with or without your own
MYNAME.COM - for very low cost - E-mail me ma...@marks.demon.co.uk
Happy New Year to you all.
--
Mark
Marcus Bainbridge
<Ma...@marks.demon.co.uk> writes
>Can anyone explain why Uk domains cost 200 UKP a year, plus
>possibly 17.5% to the UK treasury, but com domains cost $50.00 per year.
>What is the advantage of .CO.UK (it even takes longer to key in!)
>This one has been puzzling me for ages.
Presumably you are referring to Demon's #180/year + VAT? This is to
cover the redirection of mail from (eg) marks.com to marks.demon.co.uk.
Registering with the InterNIC is completely different and, ISTR, the
charges have recently been increased to around $100/year. Demon can
supply .com or .co.uk addresses.
Even if you register with the InterNIC, you still can't use your .com
address without your provider knowing about it. Again, I can only
assume you want to use it with your Demon account, since you haven't
said exactly where you are going to use it and which provider you are
using.
Stuart Grove
>
> In article <820063...@marks.demon.co.uk>, Mark
> <Ma...@marks.demon.co.uk> writes
>
> >Can anyone explain why Uk domains cost 200 UKP a year, plus
> >possibly 17.5% to the UK treasury, but com domains cost $50.00 per year.
> >What is the advantage of .CO.UK (it even takes longer to key in!)
> >This one has been puzzling me for ages.
>
> Presumably you are referring to Demon's #180/year + VAT? This is to
> cover the redirection of mail from (eg) marks.com to marks.demon.co.uk.
> Registering with the InterNIC is completely different and, ISTR, the
> charges have recently been increased to around $100/year. Demon can
> supply .com or .co.uk addresses.
No - Internic is $100 for TWO years, ie $50/year. Some Webleasers offer
FREE redirection of domain mail to your demon account.
> Even if you register with the InterNIC, you still can't use your .com
> address without your provider knowing about it. Again, I can only
> assume you want to use it with your Demon account, since you haven't
> said exactly where you are going to use it and which provider you are
> using.
Why would Demon need to know about redirected mail to a demon account -
unless you wanted to pay the exorbitant 180 or is it 200pds/year for them
to do it?
Whilst, IMHO, Demons tenner a month is good value (when it works) their web
and forwarding prices are way out of line for small users (even before vat).
Shopping around will give you a substantial website and mail forwarding for
less than the price of either service from Demon - and a domain name to boot!
You could even try us.....
Regards,
Stuart
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David Male
<mar...@guitar.demon.co.uk> writes
>In article <slrn4e0kb...@belvdere.vip.best.com>,
>df...@belvedere.sbay.org writes
>
>>Don't .com domains in the UK need to be .co.uk ?
>
>Nope. .com addresses are one of those "act now, think later" American
>administered locally and don't need the hassle of several weeks of
>waiting. They are also not as easy to guess :(
>
Not in my experience...
I asked digiweb to register a .com for me on the 18th Dec
They notified me of the IP address & internic details 23rd Dec
I could access it via demon yesterday (27th) - would have been sooner
but non-working-days intervened
I also received the internic invoice yesterday :(
even if I never use the 20Mb web space, the associated mail forwarding
facility is still cheaper than demon...
--
David Male
Abberley Systems
WR6 6BX (UK)
David Richards
>>seems to be to do with my address.
>
>with your Demon account. Do you have two nameservers on different
>networks? You won't be able to use the address for email or news, since
>your service provider won't know about it being you. Well, not unless
>you pay them #180/year, then they'll even register it for you.
Or you can get the two nameservers and mail forwarding for a flat US$50
per year, which is all you need to use the address for mail, and even for
web/etc by pointing yourdomain.com to your provider's IP address(es).
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But they are available for rental FREE Usenet and Email
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KAZ Vorpal
>)In article <slrn4e0kb...@belvdere.vip.best.com>,
>)df...@belvedere.sbay.org writes
>)>Don't .com domains in the UK need to be .co.uk ?
>)Nope. .com addresses are one of those "act now, think later" American
>)inventions, so are available for sites in any country. .co.uk are
>)administered locally and don't need the hassle of several weeks of
>)waiting. They are also not as easy to guess :(
Funny...
You bash it, then admit that it's a superior option anyway. Who's
going to look for mcdonalds.co.uk? Nobody?
And it'd be embarassing to have the uk after it, anyway. Why be
crammed into some little nationality, especially one with a link that,
from the US anyway, is ridiculously slow and unreliable? And the US still
contains the majority of all Internet users in the world, all by its
lonesome, as a result of its free market concerning the Internet and
relatively free market in computers.
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Were we directed from Washington when to sow, and when to reap,
we should soon want of bread. --Thomas Jefferson
KAZ Vorpal
>)Presumably you are referring to Demon's #180/year + VAT? This is to
>)cover the redirection of mail from (eg) marks.com to marks.demon.co.uk.
>)Registering with the InterNIC is completely different and, ISTR, the
>)charges have recently been increased to around $100/year. Demon can
>)supply .com or .co.uk addresses.
What a ridiculous excuse. We will redirect DNS for anyone,
anywhere in the world, for $25/year. There's no excuse for charging the
equivilent of almost ten times that much. But this is what happens when
you don't have a free market.
>)Even if you register with the InterNIC, you still can't use your .com
>)address without your provider knowing about it. Again, I can only
>)assume you want to use it with your Demon account, since you haven't
>)said exactly where you are going to use it and which provider you are
>)using.
You're actually very wrong. If he has a static IP address, then
he can use any DNS anywhere in the world. He doesn't need to tell those
pathetic leeches at demon.co anything.
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whole carloads of other foolish trumpery that we find in Christianity.
--John Adams
Marcus Bainbridge
writes
> You bash it, then admit that it's a superior option anyway. Who's
>going to look for mcdonalds.co.uk? Nobody?
I could ask who would wish to look for mcdonalds.com, but I won't. With
an attitude like yours, maybe a .co.uk address disassociates companies
from the US?
> And it'd be embarassing to have the uk after it, anyway.
Really?
> Why be
>crammed into some little nationality, especially one with a link that,
>from the US anyway, is ridiculously slow and unreliable?
And you have tried this, have you? I take it you haven't tried to reach
any hosts connected to MCI lately? "Snails in treacle" is a phrase
which springs to mind. All 'cos the buggers out there think they've got
loads of bandwidth, then hide the fact that the routers are crashing
more often than DC-10s...
>And the US still
>contains the majority of all Internet users in the world,
Is this something to be proud of? The country responsible for AOL,
Compuserve, Delphi, and now bigots from netrail...
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Milking the yanks for free Web space.
Malcolm Muir
> >)Presumably you are referring to Demon's #180/year + VAT? This is to
> >)cover the redirection of mail from (eg) marks.com to marks.demon.co.uk.
> >)Registering with the InterNIC is completely different and, ISTR, the
> >)charges have recently been increased to around $100/year. Demon can
> >)supply .com or .co.uk addresses.
> What a ridiculous excuse. We will redirect DNS for anyone,
> anywhere in the world, for $25/year. There's no excuse for charging the
> equivilent of almost ten times that much. But this is what happens when
> you don't have a free market.
As a point of information, the fee quoted is not *just* for mail
redirection. Simple mail redirection in the manner noted above is not
a service offered by Demon.
--
Malcolm S. Muir
Sunderland
England
Mark
As the original poster of this item, I don't want it to become a bash at
Demon as I, for one, am very grateful for Demon supplying a low cost Internet
solution in the UK which others have had to follow.
I don't think you would have found the likes of Pi*ex etc. providing access
for 15 quid a month without Demon driving the price down first, just
look how much BT want for a dial-up account!
- And, of course, if you don't like it, you can always go with someone else.
WHAT DOES puzzle me, is why it costs 200 UKP per year to have a .co.uk
(REGARDLESS of who you are with). This fee is just so that you.co.uk and the
IP address your provider has assigned to your virtual domain and the IP
addresses of your providers 2 name servers are distributed onto the net.
Why does it cost so much when it only costs $50 (34UKP?) for a .COM domain?
The problem is that if you want .co.uk and you don't like the fee - tough,
there is only one body who issues .co.uk.
I think I'll start a .GB top level domain, charge 100 quid a year and be
very rich <grin>. - anyone want .CO.GB ?????
BTW - I registered the .com with interNIC, the problem was too many lines
of street address! When I had sorted this out, it took less than 48 hours
for registration - Well done interNIC.
Happy new year to everyone.
--
Mark
Marcus Bainbridge
<Ma...@marks.demon.co.uk> writes
>WHAT DOES puzzle me, is why it costs 200 UKP per year to have a .co.uk
>(REGARDLESS of who you are with).
The #200 fee is not just to cover the cost of registration. It also
includes the right to forward email around on your internal network and
the routing of all mail addressed to xxxx.com to yyyyy.demon.co.uk
(hence the name of Mail Forwarding).
>I think I'll start a .GB top level domain, charge 100 quid a year and be
>very rich <grin>. - anyone want .CO.GB ?????
Ackshly, it already exists, so you can't :-) You'd still need your two
nameservers...
KAZ Vorpal
>)Hi,
>) You are all missing my point:
>) What ever DNS registration is, WHY does it cost 200 UKP
>) in the UK and $50.00 in the 'States.
Because your government has constructed a closed system instead
of a free market, and you get screwed because of it. Sort of like your
socialist BBC.
The solution is to simply register with a service from the US,
with a .com or .org...you can get those, you know.
We do it here at UltraPlex, in fact.
--
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Technology determines our supply of existing physical resources by
determining both the efficiency with which we use resources and our ability
to find, obtain, distribute, and store them. --Paul Zane Pilzer
Mark
You are all missing my point:
I also think this thread has gone on too long now !
Best regards - and don't get too sober tonight !!!
Mark
David Male
<mal...@demon.net> writes
>KAZ Vorpal (k...@upx.net) wrote:
>> Marcus Bainbridge (mar...@guitar.demon.co.uk) wrote:
>
>> >)Presumably you are referring to Demon's #180/year + VAT? This is to
>> >)cover the redirection of mail from (eg) marks.com to marks.demon.co.uk.
>> >)Registering with the InterNIC is completely different and, ISTR, the
>> >)charges have recently been increased to around $100/year. Demon can
>
<snip>
>As a point of information, the fee quoted is not *just* for mail
>redirection. Simple mail redirection in the manner noted above is not
>a service offered by Demon.
>
all that many people want/need. Perhaps Demon could consider offering
*just* mail redirection for a reasonable fee.
When we <downsized> a year or so ago to a semi-retired one-man-band, I
decided I couldn't justify the expense just to boost my ego. I tried to
enquire from Demon what exactly *was* covered by the service, but as
usual got *no* response from e:mail and no sense over the phone. I *was*
told that it was preferable to *write* in rather than use e:mail :-(
Perhaps this would be a good time to clarify the situation, as I am
apparently not alone in being confused by what Demon are trying to
acheive in this area?
David Woolley
Mark <Ma...@marks.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Hi,
> You are all missing my point:
> What ever DNS registration is, WHY does it cost 200 UKP
> in the UK and $50.00 in the 'States.
As I understand it, DNS registration in the UK is currently FREE. What
costs is maintaining two DNS servers. In particular, if you used a
foreign ISP and provided your own DNS servers, you should not need to pay
anyone in the UK for the domain name.
The fee to InterNIC in the USA is in addition to any fee to provide DNS
service, which you will need.
You may still consider that the price for DNS service, not advertising
your ISP, not having to have individual accounts for every PC on your
site, and carrying the higher volumes of mail which might be expected of
a user with a domain name is too high, but it's the current market
price.
I don't know if EUNet will hand out domain names without someone prepared
to provide DNS service for them, but they should give them out for free if
you can provide connected DNS servers. Note that, unlike the USA, names
are vetted, which actually means the cost of allocating a name is rather
higher.
Incidentally, uk.net is a better group for this discussion.
--
David Woolley, London, England da...@djwhome.demon.co.uk
Lawrence Kirby
> Because your government has constructed a closed system instead
>of a free market, and you get screwed because of it. Sort of like your
>socialist BBC.
What bit you? In case you hadn't notice the USA isn't the only haven
against Communism in the world.
> The solution is to simply register with a service from the US,
>with a .com or .org...you can get those, you know.
Doesn't sound much like a closed system to me.
> We do it here at UltraPlex, in fact.
That's your choice. Others have the free choice to do things differently.
As a customer I can choose the provider that best suits my needs.
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Lawrence Kirby
>He doesn't need to tell those
>pathetic leeches at demon.co anything.
When you don't have a clue what you're talking about it is best to keep
quiet.
KAZ Vorpal
>)In article <4c0frd$1...@skipper.netrail.net> k...@upx.net "KAZ Vorpal" writes:
>)>He doesn't need to tell those
>)>pathetic leeches at demon.co anything.
>)When you don't have a clue what you're talking about it is best to keep
>)quiet.
Then why are you speaking?
Too bad England doesn't allow freedom of choice to its consumers...
--
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presidential field is a welcome event. He has a coherent set of
conservative ideas, focused on replacing the income tax with a flat tax with
no deductions of any kind... he will add to the quality of the upcoming
candidate debates. -- David S. Broder, The Washington Post (9/27/95)
o.elu...@ukonline.co.uk
this information from ?
Yours,
Mark <Ma...@marks.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Hi again,
>As the original poster of this item, I don't want it to become a bash at
>Demon as I, for one, am very grateful for Demon supplying a low cost Internet
>solution in the UK which others have had to follow.
>I don't think you would have found the likes of Pi*ex etc. providing access
>for 15 quid a month without Demon driving the price down first, just
>look how much BT want for a dial-up account!
>- And, of course, if you don't like it, you can always go with someone else.
>WHAT DOES puzzle me, is why it costs 200 UKP per year to have a .co.uk
>(REGARDLESS of who you are with). This fee is just so that you.co.uk and the
>IP address your provider has assigned to your virtual domain and the IP
>addresses of your providers 2 name servers are distributed onto the net.
>Why does it cost so much when it only costs $50 (34UKP?) for a .COM domain?
>The problem is that if you want .co.uk and you don't like the fee - tough,
>there is only one body who issues .co.uk.
>I think I'll start a .GB top level domain, charge 100 quid a year and be
>very rich <grin>. - anyone want .CO.GB ?????
>BTW - I registered the .com with interNIC, the problem was too many lines
>of street address! When I had sorted this out, it took less than 48 hours
>for registration - Well done interNIC.
>Happy new year to everyone.
>--
>Mark
Web Author & Consultant
http://www.elusion.co.uk/
A visit will be most appreciated.
.............Merry mas.............
Christmas is not the same without Christ.
KAZ Vorpal
> In article <4c0frd$1...@skipper.netrail.net> you write:
> >Marcus Bainbridge (mar...@guitar.demon.co.uk) wrote:
> >
> > You're actually very wrong. If he has a static IP address, then
> >he can use any DNS anywhere in the world. He doesn't need to tell those
> >pathetic leeches at demon.co anything.
>
> Actually he does, because the contract requires him to use the demon
> domain name in his From lines (although they seem to accept Reply-To to
> mail forwarding services).
Well then, he should tell them to piss up a rope and get another
provider. Here in DC there are -seventy- providers...so I'm sure he has
quite a selection up there...
Oh, wait, he lives in England, where lack of economic freedom
results in less freedom of choice...so that he does NOT have the same
range of providers to choose from, and they're government regulated. So
he's just screwed then, isn't he.
Required to use their domain name. What a fucking laugh. Nobody
in the States would put up with that crap. We have economic freedom of
choice concerning the Internet, not socialist government control.
Of course we didn't have to live with the TV Police cruising
around in vans spying on our homes to see if we had a TV that we hadn't
payed a TV tax to get...and we had more than just State-owned TV
stations...
Words of the Sentient:
We find it intolerable that one constitutional right should have to be
surrendered in order to assert another. -- Simmons v. US, 390 US 389 (1968)
Michael J Wooding
KAZ Vorpal <k...@upx.net> writes
> Of course we didn't have to live with the TV Police cruising
>around in vans spying on our homes to see if we had a TV that we hadn't
>payed a TV tax to get...and we had more than just State-owned TV
>stations...
Is this part of the *Great Amnerican Dream*?
Unless you live here and understand our culture, our heritage and our
history then do not get on your soap-box.
Happy New Year ... Mike
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Mark
People keep telling me that it is FREE to register a .co.uk name.
Well, as I said before, I'm not an expert in this area as others obviously
are, and am obviously mistaken in thinking that it costs 200 UKP.
However, for anyone interested, here is part of the registration form that
led me to believe that it was not free -
<HTML><HEAD><TITLE>EUnet GB CO.UK Registration
For those ordering EUnet GB Internet connection services, Domain Names are
registered and delegated as part of the EUnet GB service, non-UK names are
handled by EUnet GB with the appropriate external coordination body.<P><H3>
EUnet GB Onsellers Customers</H3>
EUnet GB Onsellers are charged 200 per annum (zero once off) for each
additional domain name they wish to register and delegate for their
customers use.<P>Customers with Internet connections through EUnet GB
Onsellers, are requested to place their Domain requests through them,
and not direct to EUnet GB.<P><H3>
Requests that are not from Customers of EUnet GB nor Customers of their
Onsellers</H3>
Such requests either come from those with Internet services through Internet
Providers other than EUnet GB, or from those with no current Internet
connection.<P>
Those with Internet connections from other Providers should approach their
own provider for name registration.<P>
Those with no current Internet access, will clearly not be able initially to
use the name they are reserving. If they are not intending to place an order
with EUnet GB within 1 month of registering a name, then EUnet GB will
charge a handling fee of 200 per name to register (but not delegate) a name.
<P>
Hmm.
--
All the best for '96 - Mark
KAZ Vorpal
>)In article <Pine.LNX.3.91.960102...@ultraplex.upx.net>,
>)KAZ Vorpal <k...@upx.net> writes
>)> Of course we didn't have to live with the TV Police cruising
>)>around in vans spying on our homes to see if we had a TV that we hadn't
>)>payed a TV tax to get...and we had more than just State-owned TV
>)>stations...
>)Is this part of the *Great Amnerican Dream*?
>)Unless you live here and understand our culture, our heritage and our
>)history then do not get on your soap-box.
You mean the part of your "culture" that makes you subservient to
your government like sheep? The part which has repeatedly re-elected a
socialist government that keeps a huge and artificial class structure in
place, and takes away your economic choice on almost anything worthwhile?
Yes, being free to choose your own TV station is part of the
American Dream...it comes under the heading of freedom of choice.
Ben Franklin once said that anyone who was willing to surrender
their freedom for a little security deserves neither one.
--
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To say that subjects in general are not proper judges when their governors
oppress them and play the tyrant, and when they defend their rights...is as
great a treason as ever a man uttered. Tis treason not against one single man,
but against the state-against the whole body politic...And this impious
principle lays the foundation for justifying all the tyranny and oppression
that ever any prince was guilty of. The people know for what end they set up
and maintain their governors, and they are the proper judges when governors
execute their trust as they ought to do it.--Johnathan Mayhew
Lee Walton
> You mean the part of your "culture" that makes you subservient to
>your government like sheep? The part which has repeatedly re-elected a
>socialist government that keeps a huge and artificial class structure in
>place, and takes away your economic choice on almost anything worthwhile?
Quick, some one pass this gimboid a dictionary so that he can lookup
what socialist actually means...
A government based on an "artificial class structure" sounds more like
a Fuedal Dictatorship than a Socialist State.
Later.
Lee
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Lee Walton <http:\\www.csss.com\users\lwalton\lwalton.html>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> KEEP .SIGS BRIEF <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Lee Walton
>>I'd appreciate any replies to Mark copied to the newsgroups. Or perhaps
>>Mark would be kind enough to post a summary of replies? Cheers!
>
>Don't .com domains in the UK need to be .co.uk ?
No.
Jeremy Gelber
> You mean the part of your "culture" that makes you subservient to
>your government like sheep? The part which has repeatedly re-elected a
>socialist government that keeps a huge and artificial class structure in
>place, and takes away your economic choice on almost anything worthwhile?
Ummmm, hello???? Socialist????
Get with it, mate. You haven't got a clue what you're talking about.
Jeremy
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Michael J Wooding
<jer...@rtvsoft.demon.co.uk> writes
>Ummmm, hello???? Socialist????
>
>Get with it, mate. You haven't got a clue what you're talking about.
>
>Jeremy
I was going to reply but you beat me to it! At least we don't go around
shooting each other all over the place!
David Woolley
A good example of how good the North American system is can be found in
bit.listserv.pmail, in the Multipop thread, at the moment. People are
claiming that they are being forced to use POP3 (a single user option)
to connect their office LANs to internet mail because no local ISP is
prepared to offer them UUCP or SMTP (the appropriate protocols for peer to
peer communication - because they preserve envelope information) for
less than US$150 per month, and in some cases (Bahamas I think) there is
a monopoly situation where there is no alternative at all.
(You can't just drop all the mail for a domain name into a POP3 mailbox,
as some ISPs try to do, because the To: line in the header is not
necessarily the actual destination. Nor can you override the envelope
From.)
You also find a lot of cases where people are trying to force the
contents of the From line in mail going through their Unix MTAs,
presumably because they can only get POP3.
The going price for connecting a LAN for Email in the UK is around
GBP 360 per year, or around US$45 per month (this includes a domain name and
is a lot less than US$150). A number of providers offer SMTP
or UUCP for single machines from around the equivalent of US$10 (pure UUCP)
to US$20 (SMTP as a no cost option to POP3); their choice of domain name.
Remember that UK costs are higher than US ones, because of the need
to maintain a transatlantic link, and the generally higher hardware costs.
[ Full quote because of new group ]
In article <Pine.LNX.3.91.960102...@ultraplex.upx.net>,
KAZ Vorpal <k...@upx.net> wrote:
>On Sun, 31 Dec 1995, David Woolley wrote:
>
>> In article <4c0frd$1...@skipper.netrail.net> you write:
>> >Marcus Bainbridge (mar...@guitar.demon.co.uk) wrote:
>> >
>> > You're actually very wrong. If he has a static IP address, then
>> >he can use any DNS anywhere in the world. He doesn't need to tell those
>> >pathetic leeches at demon.co anything.
>>
>> Actually he does, because the contract requires him to use the demon
>> domain name in his From lines (although they seem to accept Reply-To to
>> mail forwarding services).
>
>
> Well then, he should tell them to piss up a rope and get another
>provider. Here in DC there are -seventy- providers...so I'm sure he has
>quite a selection up there...
> Oh, wait, he lives in England, where lack of economic freedom
>results in less freedom of choice...so that he does NOT have the same
>range of providers to choose from, and they're government regulated. So
>he's just screwed then, isn't he.
There is no government regulation involved, and the current government
is in fact taking deregulation to extremes (except possibly where "law
and order" issues are involved) in all areas of business as a matter of
political dogma.
>
> Required to use their domain name. What a fucking laugh. Nobody
>in the States would put up with that crap. We have economic freedom of
>choice concerning the Internet, not socialist government control.
>
> Of course we didn't have to live with the TV Police cruising
>around in vans spying on our homes to see if we had a TV that we hadn't
>payed a TV tax to get...and we had more than just State-owned TV
>stations...
>
>Words of the Sentient:
>
>We find it intolerable that one constitutional right should have to be
>surrendered in order to assert another. -- Simmons v. US, 390 US 389 (1968)
>