WinDis
John McCabe
anyone working on it?
I know Ewan Kirk has stopped supporting it, but...
Thanks for your help.
John
Martin Davies
john....@emrad.ns.com "John McCabe" wrote:
I still use it and find it more than adequate for my needs;
SNEWS is fine for newsgroups and the gateway to Pegasus is
excellent for email. I don't expect there are many new users
coming to it but what the heck, let them all suffer with Outlook
etc :)))
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John McCabe
>We've been using windis32 it for 6-7 years now, originally on
>windows95, now on win2000.
I've been using WinDis since 1995 or so - originally on Windows 3.11
and now on Windows 98. My main reason for using it is the control I
get over mailboxes and the Pegasus gateway, but I never use the NNTP
part because I use Free Agent.
>I've occasionally looked around for alternatives but never
>come up with anything that is as simple or easy to us.
Me too. No one seems to produce something that is just an SMTP server
for Windows!
>Since Ewan stopped supporting it I've asked around for
>source code in case some bug comes up that stops it
>working for us, but nothing ever has. (last time I asked was
>probably 3 years ago).
Did you ask Ewan himself?
>I'd also be interested in knowing how much it is used these
>days, do most windows users just use demons pop3 servers
>these days?
I was under the impression that Turnpike handled SMTP mail, but maybe
I'm wrong.
The reason I asked this is that there are a couple of things I'd like
WinDis to do that it doesn't already e.g.:
1) Ignore "RCPT TO" addresses that aren't on the local host
2) Do a 'reverse kill' type of thing where you can specify addresses
you want to accept from a domain, in particular I would like to accept
x...@hotmail.com and y...@hotmail.com, but nothing else.
Are there any other features people would like? Would it be worth
persuading Ewan to release the source for further development by a
third party (e.g. me and whoever else is interested)?
John
Dom Robinson
says...
but it has no facilities for passwords so can't use it with
news.cis.dfn.de
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John McCabe
<cakedi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>In article <3c4554fd...@news.demon.co.uk>, john....@emrad.ns.com
>says...
>> Just wondering whether there is any demand for WinDis and, if so, is
>> anyone working on it?
>>
>> I know Ewan Kirk has stopped supporting it, but...
>>
>> Thanks for your help.
>> John
>>
>I still use it for uploading email. Used to use it for downloading news,
>but it has no facilities for passwords so can't use it with
>news.cis.dfn.de
What do you use instead?
Dom Robinson
says...
Gravity. Never thought I'd ever use a Windows-based newsreader that I was
happy with, but I've found one.
Raj Rijhwani
> Just wondering whether there is any demand for WinDis and, if so, is
> anyone working on it?
Still using it on Win 3.11...
> I know Ewan Kirk has stopped supporting it, but...
Not only has he stopped supporting it, he sold the rights to the
software, and now no longer has the RIGHT to modifiy it. Nor has
anyone else in this arena.
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John McCabe
Rijhwani) wrote:
>On Wednesday, in article <3c4554fd...@news.demon.co.uk>
> john....@emrad.ns.com "John McCabe" wrote:
>
>> Just wondering whether there is any demand for WinDis and, if so, is
>> anyone working on it?
>
>Still using it on Win 3.11...
>
>> I know Ewan Kirk has stopped supporting it, but...
>
>Not only has he stopped supporting it, he sold the rights to the
>software, and now no longer has the RIGHT to modifiy it. Nor has
>anyone else in this arena.
That's the first I've heard of that - can you give more details?
Are you sure he sold the rights to the 'software' and not just the
name? A search on the web brings up a WinDis which is a windows NDIS
product from PCAUSA, but it is a completely different product from the
Ewan Kirk WinDis.
John
Raj Rijhwani
john....@emrad.ns.com "John McCabe" wrote:
I can only go by what he wrote me several years ago, when I was
making enquiries about the availability of the source to fix the
"bounce one, bounce all" bug. He said that he'd sold the software,
to "a major player", and that whilst it may not be obvious its
internals were incorporated in another product altogether, and that
he was no longer in a position to distribute copies.
When the NNTP.dat date bug cropped up on January first 2000, he popped
up saying he still had the source, and had gained explicit permission
to make a release which fixed that problem. It never happened, but
then the "roborat" fix was released.
Dom Robinson
says...
>
> >>Since Ewan stopped supporting it I've asked around for
> >>source code in case some bug comes up that stops it
> >>working for us, but nothing ever has. (last time I asked was
> >>probably 3 years ago).
> >
> >Did you ask Ewan himself?
> >
>
> >I was under the impression that Turnpike handled SMTP mail, but maybe
> >I'm wrong.
> >
> everything else. I've been trying to use Mozilla for mail recently
> because Agent isn't perfect for handling lots of custom folders,
> but had difficultly getting it to talk pop3 to windis.
> I don't know yet whether this is a windis, mozilla or operator
> problem. :-)
>
> >The reason I asked this is that there are a couple of things I'd like
> >WinDis to do that it doesn't already e.g.:
> >
> >1) Ignore "RCPT TO" addresses that aren't on the local host
> >2) Do a 'reverse kill' type of thing where you can specify addresses
> >you want to accept from a domain, in particular I would like to accept
> >x...@hotmail.com and y...@hotmail.com, but nothing else.
> >
> >Are there any other features people would like? Would it be worth
> >persuading Ewan to release the source for further development by a
> >third party (e.g. me and whoever else is interested)?
> >
> >John
>
>
> Roy
>
Me too. I'd like it to include scope for allowing passwords (the reason
I'm using Gravity now).
Also, when I started using 4thenet and tried using Windis with their news
server the headers and message bodies always got corrupted whatever I
tried. Don't know if the same would happen with news.cis.dfn.de but I
never had the problem with Freeserve's news server so I don't know what
the problem is there.
Raj Rijhwani
r...@rijhwani.org "Raj Rijhwani" wrote:
[following up to myself, but...]
> I can only go by what he wrote me several years ago, ...
And what he wrote me was (and I'm sure he wouldn't object to my
publishing this tiny bit):
: From: Ewan Kirk
: Subject: Re: Windis
: Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 09:35:52 +0100
:
: > From: Raj Rijhwani
: > Subject: Windis
: > Date: 03 October 1996 17:01
:
: > Since you are not likely to be upgrading/enhancing Windis any further,
: > would you be prepared to allow someone else to?
:
: It's a legal thing I'm afraid. I sold the rights to Windis to
: Quarterdeck about a year ago. They have proceeded to do
: nothing with it but I'm still bound by the agreement.
So there you have it. The reason why nothing's happened with WinDis for
over 5 years.
John Hein
john....@emrad.ns.com "John McCabe" writes:
>Just wondering whether there is any demand for WinDis and, if so, is
>anyone working on it?
I'm still using it here (although I do also use Eudora).
An excellent and generally robust piece of software it is too!
>
>I know Ewan Kirk has stopped supporting it, but...
>
>Thanks for your help.
>John
>
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John McCabe
Rijhwani) wrote:
>: From: Ewan Kirk
>: Subject: Re: Windis
>: Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 09:35:52 +0100
>: > From: Raj Rijhwani
>: > Subject: Windis
>: > Date: 03 October 1996 17:01
>: > Since you are not likely to be upgrading/enhancing Windis any further,
>: > would you be prepared to allow someone else to?
>: It's a legal thing I'm afraid. I sold the rights to Windis to
>: Quarterdeck about a year ago. They have proceeded to do
>: nothing with it but I'm still bound by the agreement.
Mid-95 ish? That's nearly 7 years ago. Quarterdeck appears to be part
of Symantec now. May be worth seeing what they're doing with it or
whatever.
Raj Rijhwani
john....@emrad.ns.com "John McCabe" wrote:
> Mid-95 ish? That's nearly 7 years ago. Quarterdeck appears to be part
> of Symantec now. May be worth seeing what they're doing with it or
> whatever.
Only Ewan knows the details of the agreement he signed. Maybe rights
revert to him. Maybe Quarterdeck/Symantec are the people to talk to.
Maybe no-one even knows any more.
Good luck in your search...
Dave Scott
On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 10:23:33 GMT, in article
<3c46a4d9...@news.demon.co.uk> john....@emrad.ns.com
"John McCabe" wrote:
> The reason I asked this is that there are a couple of things I'd like
> WinDis to do that it doesn't already e.g.:
>
> 1) Ignore "RCPT TO" addresses that aren't on the local host
Or to put another way, turn off the open relay nature of WinDIS - this
is a very good idea. It can be fudged by entering the following two
rules under the 'rewrite' tab of mail policy :-
*@* $1%$2 r
*%yourhost.demon.co.uk $1
(All usual disclaimers apply. Obviously put your actual domain, e.g.
emrad.ns.com instead of that example above). This will bounce mail
providing under 'bouncing' you've set "Reject it - recipient unknown".
Otherwise attempts to relay will not get outside your system, but will
end up in one of your local mailboxes (much better than actually
relaying).
> 2) Do a 'reverse kill' type of thing where you can specify addresses
> you want to accept from a domain, in particular I would like to accept
> x...@hotmail.com and y...@hotmail.com, but nothing else.
That OTOH I've not been able to find a way to implement.
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John McCabe
<cakedi...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Me too. I'd like it to include scope for allowing passwords (the reason
>I'm using Gravity now).
Have you tried Free Agent? I've just had a look at Gravity on the
basis of your comment, but I didn't like it much. It was really just
the way the information was laid out in the "Article" pane - Free
Agent gives you a nice little title bar type of thing which I like.
I know Gravity has more features than Free Agent, but I think Agent
(the one you pay) has all these anyway.