[ 6.03 wishlist ] - "Break Thread" available from the article view as well as thread view.
Pyromancer
Any chance we can have the "Break Thread" option made available on one
of the menus on the actual article being read, instead of having to go
to the thread view for it? Several times recently I've found myself
half way through a 500+ post thread and wanted to break the thread where
the subject diverges into two branches, only to find I had to go back to
the thread view, expand the thread, switch back to the article window,
move on to the next unread article (to get the thread cusrsor to move),
then go back one, work out in the thread view where that previous
article was (not always easy in a long, rambling and multi-branched
thread), and break it from the right-click menu on the thread view.
Being able to do so simply from the article I was reading would be a lot
easier.
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Mark Browne
<pyrom...@beeching.stormshadow.com> writes
>
>Any chance we can have the "Break Thread" option made available on one
>of the menus on the actual article being read, instead of having to go
>to the thread view for it?
I also like this idea. However, there are solutions to some of the
problems that you have noted.
> Several times recently I've found myself
>half way through a 500+ post thread and wanted to break the thread where
>the subject diverges into two branches, only to find I had to go back to
>the thread view, expand the thread, switch back to the article window,
>move on to the next unread article (to get the thread cusrsor to move),
Just hit up-arrow followed by down-arrow in the thread window has the
same effect.
>then go back one, work out in the thread view where that previous
>article was (not always easy in a long, rambling and multi-branched
>thread), and break it from the right-click menu on the thread view.
Then why not go back to the article before doing Find Article?
>Being able to do so simply from the article I was reading would be a lot
>easier.
I also think so, but it has been discussed and discarded as not being
sensible.
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Leonard Will
2004, Pyromancer <pyrom...@beeching.stormshadow.com> wrote
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>Any chance we can have the "Break Thread" option made available on one
>of the menus on the actual article being read, instead of having to go
>to the thread view for it?
As a related topic to this, it would be good to have an optional setting
for the threaded display to "break thread on change of subject", or at
least some symbol to show that a thread contains more than one subject
line.
Many people seem to think that threads are determined by subject lines
rather than by "References" headers, and fail to discriminate between
"follow up" and "start new thread". (Perhaps some other mail software
works like this.) With Turnpike's threading, a drift of a thread from an
uninteresting topic to an interesting one is liable to be missed.
Leonard Will
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Paul Terry
<pyrom...@beeching.stormshadow.com> writes
>Any chance we can have the "Break Thread" option made available on one
>of the menus on the actual article being read, instead of having to go
>to the thread view for it? Several times recently I've found myself
>half way through a 500+ post thread and wanted to break the thread where
>the subject diverges into two branches, only to find I had to go back to
>the thread view, expand the thread, switch back to the article window,
>move on to the next unread article (to get the thread cusrsor to move),
>then go back one, work out in the thread view where that previous
>article was (not always easy in a long, rambling and multi-branched
>thread), and break it from the right-click menu on the thread view.
In the Article menu there is an option called "Find in List" which will
save most of the steps you mention above.
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Pyromancer
<ne...@kafana.demon.co.uk> breathed:
>>Being able to do so simply from the article I was reading would be a lot
>>easier.
>I also think so, but it has been discussed and discarded as not being
>sensible.
It has? Do you have an MID or URL for that?
I remember ages ago requesting an option to have threads titled in the
thread view by the most recent unread article instead of, as now, the
oldest in the database, which lots of people screamed at for reasons I
couldn't quite follow, but I've missed any discussion of making break
thread easier to use.
I read several groups where other regular posters use software (Free
Agent, IIRC) which seems to thread by subject line instead of by
references, and who therefore assume that to change the subject line is
automatically to create a new thread.
I'm trying to educate people but this behaviour is deeply ingrained and
constantly reinforced by the widely-used software that implements it.
Can anyone shed light on why break thread from the article view window
would be "non-sensible"?
Mark Browne
<pyrom...@beeching.stormshadow.com> writes
><ne...@kafana.demon.co.uk> breathed:
>
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>>>Being able to do so simply from the article I was reading would be a lot
>>>easier.
>
>>I also think so, but it has been discussed and discarded as not being
>>sensible.
>
>It has? Do you have an MID or URL for that?
No, I'm afraid not - I am relying on my unreliable wetware.
Unfortunately I cannot remember the arguments in either direction.
Michael J Davis
<ne...@kafana.demon.co.uk> writes
>On Tue, 18 May 2004, in demon.ip.support.turnpike, Pyromancer
><pyrom...@beeching.stormshadow.com> writes
>>Upon the miasma of midnight, a darkling spirit identified as Mark Browne
>><ne...@kafana.demon.co.uk> breathed:
>>
>>
>>>>Being able to do so simply from the article I was reading would be a lot
>>>>easier.
>>
>>>I also think so, but it has been discussed and discarded as not being
>>>sensible.
>>
>>It has? Do you have an MID or URL for that?
>
>No, I'm afraid not - I am relying on my unreliable wetware.
>Unfortunately I cannot remember the arguments in either direction.
Can I add that I'm for the proposal (or being able to see the changes)
I have just returned from being away, and allowed a thread of >1000
posts to accumulate in one n.g.. I gather from other posts that there
are several changes of subject. However I cannot find them, because the
TP threading wanders off in all directions (Yes I could get a 36"
monitor I suppose.)
So I go to list view, as suggested, but then cannot change threads as
Pyro says.
Alternatively, show the new headings as sub-threads under the main one
in unexpanded mode.
Mike
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>No, I'm afraid not - I am relying on my unreliable wetware.
>Unfortunately I cannot remember the arguments in either direction.
From what I recall, I think much of the discussion turned on the
relative number of times that a thread actually changed when the subject
did, compared with the number of times that it changed when the subject
didn't or didn't change when the subject did.
In addition to that there is the probability that if a subject is
changed it usually indicates that the thread drift has become well
established so that the thread change will now be in the middle of the
new subject thread.
I does seem to me that it is only going to work as intended/wished in a
minority of cases. Given that it would also seem to me that there might
be other things that it would be better seeing the Turnpike Team using
their remaining and limited resources do for us.
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Dave Bird
<ne...@kafana.demon.co.uk> writes:
>>Being able to do so simply from the article I was reading would be a lot
>>easier.
>
>I also think so, but it has been discussed and discarded as
>being sensible.
Pretty standard for suggestions about Turnpike.
I do prefer the other approach where every command is available in
every window, possibly with a slight change of context.
In this case I think a context shift might be appropriate, and needs
some precision to specify. I think you need to have the article window
at a reduced size, and the thread window at a size larger than that
below it, which probably requires about five method-calls to the
window-overlaying object.
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>...because I have been peeping between their legs
I thought it was because I was more down to earth, have understood the
basics of things and do not have my head in the clouds (or spend my time
trying to build castles in the air).