Stunnel - Again

[bert]

I've saved one or two posts over the years for when the moment would
arrive, but is there an idiots guide anywhere on how to install and
configure it?
I've got as far as Download :-(
--
bert

[John Hall]

In message <mx7ChoPHL7iXFAQ$@m.raefell.co.uk>, bert
<be...@btinternet.com> writes

Having downloaded the stunnel installer, you will need to double click
on the .exe file to install stunnel. So that stunnel will always be
loaded when you boot your PC, I'd suggest adding stunnel to Startup
(which you can do by running msconfig IIRC).

The stunnel configuration file is called stunnel.conf. A sample
configuration file is included as part of the installation. It's a plain
text file which you can edit with Notepad or similar.

Here's what my own configuration file looks like. I use stunnel so that
I can do a POP3 download of email from gmail. I'm not currently using
stunnel for outbound email. (I might need to at some point in the
future. I don't think it should be too difficult, but if you need to and
get it going then I'd be interested to know what you did.) Lines
beginning with ; are comments.

; Sample stunnel configuration file for Win32 by Michal Trojnara
2002-2012
; Some options used here may be inadequate for your particular
configuration
; This sample file does *not* represent stunnel.conf defaults
; Please consult the manual for detailed description of available
options

;
*************************************************************************
*
; * Global options *
;
*************************************************************************
*

; Debugging stuff (may useful for troubleshooting)
;debug = 7
;output = stunnel.log

; Disable FIPS mode to allow non-approved protocols and algorithms
fips = no

;
*************************************************************************
*
; * Service defaults may also be specified in individual service
sections *
;
*************************************************************************
*


; Disable support for insecure SSLv2 protocol
options = NO_SSLv2

;
*************************************************************************
*
; * Service definitions (at least one service has to be defined) *
;
*************************************************************************
*


; Example SSL client mode services

[gmail-pop3]
client = yes
accept = 127.0.0.1:3110
;you can see how the above line matches what I've set in Connect [see
below]
;the bit in square brackets is just a section label, and I think can be
anything
;you like

connect = pop.gmail.com:995
;here you would replace the rhs with your ISP's POP3 server

TIMEOUTconnect = 60
TIMEOUTidle = 40
TIMEOUTbusy = 40
TIMEOUTclose = 40
;time to wait for close_notify (set to 0 for buggy MSIE)
;I increased some of the values from the defaults to reduce the risk
;of a time-out if the server I was connecting to was unusually busy

;[gmail-imap]
;client = yes
;accept = 127.0.0.1:143
;connect = imap.gmail.com:993

;[gmail-smtp]
;client = yes
;accept = 127.0.0.1:25
;connect = smtp.gmail.com:465
;here you could put your ISP's SMTP server if you will be using it,
needing also
;to put matching stuff in Connect, of course


Within Turnpike, under Connect > Email transfer I added a POP3
account with the following details:

Server name: 127.0.0.1
Mailbox: jhall1809 (that being my gmail username)
Password: (my gmail password)
Port: 3110
"Use 'APOP' authentication" left unticked

There are two stunnel mailing lists, see
https://www.stunnel.org/lists.html
I'd recommend signing up to the announcements one.
--
John Hall
"Banking was conceived in iniquity and born in sin"
attributed to Sir Josiah Stamp,
a former director of the Bank of England

[Andy]

In message <JXFvQWIDQRjXFwuS@jhall_nospamxx.co.uk>, John Hall
<john_...@jhall.co.uk> wrote
[]

>I'm not currently using stunnel for outbound email. (I might need to at
>some point in the future. I don't think it should be too difficult, but
>if you need to and get it going then I'd be interested to know what you
>did.)

I am. I'll share 'how' but not this week as I'm up to my ears in
alligators...
--
Andy Taylor [Editor, Austrian Philatelic Society].
Visit www dot austrianphilately dot com>

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

In article <JXFvQWIDQRjXFwuS@jhall_nospamxx.co.uk>, on Mon, 18 Jul 2016,
John Hall <john_...@jhall.co.uk> wrote
[]

>Here's what my own configuration file looks like. I use stunnel so that
>I can do a POP3 download of email from gmail. I'm not currently using

[]
Is that just using-stunnel-to-use-Turnpike-with-something-that-needs-it,
or does it get round gmail-not-working-with-POP-unless-you-pay?
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Old people today - they don't know they're born! They should stay where they
belong: on the main stage at Glastonbury. - The Now Show, 2015-7-10&11

[John Hall]

In message <mq85IYGC...@soft255.demon.co.uk>, "J. P. Gilliver
(John)" <ju...@soft255.demon.co.uk> writes

>In article <JXFvQWIDQRjXFwuS@jhall_nospamxx.co.uk>, on Mon, 18 Jul
>2016, John Hall <john_...@jhall.co.uk> wrote
>[]
>>Here's what my own configuration file looks like. I use stunnel so
>>that I can do a POP3 download of email from gmail. I'm not currently
>>using
>[]
>Is that just
>using-stunnel-to-use-Turnpike-with-something-that-needs-it, or does it
>get round gmail-not-working-with-POP-unless-you-pay?

My understanding is that gmail requires stunnel (or some other
intermediary that will handle the SSL) to work with Turnpike, and that's
what I use it for. I'm unaware of gmail requiring you to pay for
anything.

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

In article <lFBEU3NSkSjXFwaH@jhall_nospamxx.co.uk>, on Mon, 18 Jul 2016,

John Hall <john_...@jhall.co.uk> wrote
>In message <mq85IYGC...@soft255.demon.co.uk>, "J. P. Gilliver
>(John)" <ju...@soft255.demon.co.uk> writes
>>In article <JXFvQWIDQRjXFwuS@jhall_nospamxx.co.uk>, on Mon, 18 Jul
>>2016, John Hall <john_...@jhall.co.uk> wrote
>>[]
>>>Here's what my own configuration file looks like. I use stunnel so
>>>that I can do a POP3 download of email from gmail. I'm not currently
>>>

>>[]
>>Is that just
>>using-stunnel-to-use-Turnpike-with-something-that-needs-it, or does it
>>get round gmail-not-working-with-POP-unless-you-pay?
>
>My understanding is that gmail requires stunnel (or some other
>intermediary that will handle the SSL) to work with Turnpike, and
>that's what I use it for. I'm unaware of gmail requiring you to pay for
>anything.

Ah, off-topic for this 'group: I thought I'd heard somewhere that gmail
won't work with POP unless you pay (not sure why: maybe the webmail
interface carries adverts, which one can't complain about as it's
free?). If I'm right, I think I've heard that it (POP usage of gmail)
used to be free, and possibly still is for those grandfathered.

I hope I'm wrong, as I have a friend visiting in September, and I'd like
to set up a "proper" email client for her - probably Thunderbird (which
I think can do SSL anyway), because I'd also like to set up newsgroups
for her.

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Under democracy one party always devotes its chief energies to trying to prove
that the other party is unfit to rule - and both commonly succeed, and are
right. -H.L. Mencken, writer, editor, and critic (1880-1956)

[bert]

In article <mq85IYGC...@soft255.demon.co.uk>, "J. P. Gilliver
(John)" <ju...@soft255.demon.co.uk> writes

>In article <JXFvQWIDQRjXFwuS@jhall_nospamxx.co.uk>, on Mon, 18 Jul
>2016, John Hall <john_...@jhall.co.uk> wrote
>[]
>>Here's what my own configuration file looks like. I use stunnel so
>>that I can do a POP3 download of email from gmail. I'm not currently
>>using
>[]
>Is that just
>using-stunnel-to-use-Turnpike-with-something-that-needs-it, or does it
>get round gmail-not-working-with-POP-unless-you-pay?

I'm a refugee from BTYahoo and am currently using gmail with pop via TB
and FOC. I would like to retain TP if possible hence Stunnel.
--
bert

[bert]

In article <nPuphAKI...@soft255.demon.co.uk>, "J. P. Gilliver

(John)" <ju...@soft255.demon.co.uk> writes
>In article <lFBEU3NSkSjXFwaH@jhall_nospamxx.co.uk>, on Mon, 18 Jul
>2016, John Hall <john_...@jhall.co.uk> wrote
>>In message <mq85IYGC...@soft255.demon.co.uk>, "J. P. Gilliver
>>(John)" <ju...@soft255.demon.co.uk> writes
>>>In article <JXFvQWIDQRjXFwuS@jhall_nospamxx.co.uk>, on Mon, 18 Jul
>>>2016, John Hall <john_...@jhall.co.uk> wrote
>>>[]
>>>>Here's what my own configuration file looks like. I use stunnel so
>>>>that I can do a POP3 download of email from gmail. I'm not currently
>>>[]
>>>Is that just
>>>using-stunnel-to-use-Turnpike-with-something-that-needs-it, or does
>>>it get round gmail-not-working-with-POP-unless-you-pay?
>>
>>My understanding is that gmail requires stunnel (or some other
>>intermediary that will handle the SSL) to work with Turnpike, and
>>that's what I use it for. I'm unaware of gmail requiring you to pay
>>for anything.
>
>Ah, off-topic for this 'group: I thought I'd heard somewhere that gmail
>won't work with POP unless you pay (not sure why: maybe the webmail
>interface carries adverts, which one can't complain about as it's
>free?). If I'm right, I think I've heard that it (POP usage of gmail)
>used to be free, and possibly still is for those grandfathered.
>

Nope just set up a totally new account using pop3 and no-pay.

>I hope I'm wrong, as I have a friend visiting in September, and I'd
>like to set up a "proper" email client for her - probably Thunderbird
>(which I think can do SSL anyway), because I'd also like to set up
>newsgroups for her.

TB also supports IMAP
--
bert

[bert]

In article <JXFvQWIDQRjXFwuS@jhall_nospamxx.co.uk>, John Hall
<john_...@jhall.co.uk> writes

Thanks for that John. It's a bit daunting at first sight. Will have a
crack tomorrow. Wife uses TB on W8,64 but she preferred TP. I'm on W7
32. I have another system on W10 Ugh! Fortunately I only use that to
drive the TV screen for Sky Go
--
bert

[Mike Swift]

In article <lFBEU3NSkSjXFwaH@jhall_nospamxx.co.uk>, John Hall
<john_...@jhall.co.uk> writes

>>Is that just
>>using-stunnel-to-use-Turnpike-with-something-that-needs-it, or does it
>>get round gmail-not-working-with-POP-unless-you-pay?
>
>My understanding is that gmail requires stunnel (or some other intermediary
>that will handle the SSL) to work with Turnpike, and that's what I use it for.
>I'm unaware of gmail requiring you to pay for anything.

I've used Turnpike 5.02 and Windows with Virgin Media for years,
suddenly VM have changed something and I can receive e-mails but not
send them, I still collect with Turnpike but use Thunderbird to send, I
suspect it wont be long before I dump TP for good, very sad, as old as
it is I like it's simplicity.

Stunnel looks a bit beyond my understanding to set up.

Mike

--
Michael Swift We do not regard Englishmen as foreigners.
Kirkheaton We look on them only as rather mad Norwegians.
Yorkshire Halvard Lange

[Roy Brown]

In message <PWctsVAh...@ntlworld.com>, Mike Swift
<mike....@yeton.co.uk> writing at 00:25:21 in his/her local time
opines:-

>In article <lFBEU3NSkSjXFwaH@jhall_nospamxx.co.uk>, John Hall
><john_...@jhall.co.uk> writes
>>>Is that just
>>>using-stunnel-to-use-Turnpike-with-something-that-needs-it, or does it
>>>get round gmail-not-working-with-POP-unless-you-pay?
>>
>>My understanding is that gmail requires stunnel (or some other intermediary
>>that will handle the SSL) to work with Turnpike, and that's what I use it for.
>>I'm unaware of gmail requiring you to pay for anything.
>
>I've used Turnpike 5.02 and Windows with Virgin Media for years,
>suddenly VM have changed something and I can receive e-mails but not
>send them, I still collect with Turnpike but use Thunderbird to send, I
>suspect it wont be long before I dump TP for good, very sad, as old as
>it is I like it's simplicity.
>
>Stunnel looks a bit beyond my understanding to set up.
>
>Mike
>

Get the free Avast! antivirus, and install it to check your incoming and
outgoing email.

It will do zero-config Stunnel support.
--
Roy Brown 'Have nothing in your houses that you do not know to be
Kelmscott Ltd useful, or believe to be beautiful' William Morris

---
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus

[Andy]

In message <8ZycMJNl...@kitzbuhel.co.uk>, Andy
<an...@kitzbuhel.co.uk> wrote

>In message <JXFvQWIDQRjXFwuS@jhall_nospamxx.co.uk>, John Hall
><john_...@jhall.co.uk> wrote
>[]
>>I'm not currently using stunnel for outbound email. (I might need to
>>at some point in the future. I don't think it should be too difficult,
>>but if you need to and get it going then I'd be interested to know
>>what you did.)
>
>I am. I'll share 'how' but not this week as I'm up to my ears in
>alligators...

Wildlife now vanquished... This works for me.

; Sample stunnel configuration file for Win32 by Michal Trojnara

2002-2015

; Some options used here may be inadequate for your particular
configuration
; This sample file does *not* represent stunnel.conf defaults
; Please consult the manual for detailed description of available
options

;
*************************************************************************
*
; * Global options *
;
*************************************************************************
*

; Debugging stuff (may be useful for troubleshooting)
debug = 5
output = stunnel.log

; Enable FIPS 140-2 mode if needed it for compliance
fips = no

; Initialize Microsoft CryptoAPI interface
engine = capi
; Also needs "engineID = capi" in each section using the CAPI engine

;
*************************************************************************
*
; * Service defaults may also be specified in individual service
sections *
;
*************************************************************************
*

; Certificate/key is needed in server mode and optional in client mode
cert = stunnel.pem
;key = stunnel.pem

; Authentication stuff needs to be configured to prevent MITM attacks
; It is not enabled by default!
;verify = 2
; Don't forget to c_rehash CApath
;CApath = certs
; It's often easier to use CAfile
;CAfile = certs.pem
; Don't forget to c_rehash CRLpath
;CRLpath = crls
; Alternatively CRLfile can be used
;CRLfile = crls.pem

; DISable support for the insecure SSLv2 protocol
options = NO_SSLv2
; Enable support for the insecure SSLv3 protocol
;options = -NO_SSLv3
; Workaround for Eudora bug
;options = DONT_INSERT_EMPTY_FRAGMENTS

; These options provide additional security at some performance
degradation
;options = SINGLE_ECDH_USE
;options = SINGLE_DH_USE

; ********************************************************
; Service definitions (at least one service has to be defined)
; *********************************************************


[1and1-smtp]

client = yes
accept = 127.0.0.1:25

connect = auth.smtp.1and1.co.uk:465

; was 587 which didn't work


; ********************** SSL client mode services

; The next bit collects emails from both my 1and1 mailboxes -
; each is configured separately in TP Connect but they call the same
thing ie 127.0.0.1

[1and1-pop3]

client = yes
accept = 127.0.0.1:3110

connect = pop.1and1.co.uk:995

[Mike Swift]

In article <OonghrB4iejXFwct@x.x>, Roy Brown
<Roy_now_fre...@acanthus.demon.co.uk> writes

>>I've used Turnpike 5.02 and Windows with Virgin Media for years,
>>suddenly VM have changed something and I can receive e-mails but not
>>send them, I still collect with Turnpike but use Thunderbird to send, I
>>suspect it wont be long before I dump TP for good, very sad, as old as
>>it is I like it's simplicity.
>>
>>Stunnel looks a bit beyond my understanding to set up.
>>
>>Mike
>>
>Get the free Avast! antivirus, and install it to check your incoming and
>outgoing email.
>
>It will do zero-config Stunnel support.

I've a full version of Kaspersky supplied free through Barclays, I
suspect Avast and it wouldn't get on, can it be set up just to check
mail and ignore everything else, and do you just install Stunnel but not
set it up?

[bert]

In article <JXFvQWIDQRjXFwuS@jhall_nospamxx.co.uk>, John Hall
<john_...@jhall.co.uk> writes

Collection side up and running - now for smtp!!
--
bert

[bert]

In article <g10bncB$$ejX...@kitzbuhel.co.uk>, Andy
<an...@kitzbuhel.co.uk> writes

Wow. Just sent an e-mail successfully. Many many thanks.

Might be an idea to strip the sample configuration file right down to
just the bare essentials for pop3, imap and smtp.
All that other stuff is a bit overwhelming. Of course I made the mistake
of trying to RTFM first - silly me.
--
bert

[bert]

In article <oNSB+GCl...@m.raefell.co.uk>, bert
<be...@btinternet.com> writes

>In article <g10bncB$$ejX...@kitzbuhel.co.uk>, Andy
><an...@kitzbuhel.co.uk> writes
>>In message <8ZycMJNl...@kitzbuhel.co.uk>, Andy
>><an...@kitzbuhel.co.uk> wrote
>>>In message <JXFvQWIDQRjXFwuS@jhall_nospamxx.co.uk>, John Hall
>>><john_...@jhall.co.uk> wrote
>>>[]
>>>>I'm not currently using stunnel for outbound email. (I might need to
>>>>at some point in the future. I don't think it should be too
>>>>difficult, but if you need to and get it going then I'd be
>>>>interested to know what you did.)
>>>
>>>I am. I'll share 'how' but not this week as I'm up to my ears in
>>>alligators...
>>
>>Wildlife now vanquished... This works for me.
>>
>>
>>; Sample stunnel configuration file for Win32 by Michal Trojnara
>>2002-2015
>>; Some options used here may be inadequate for your particular
>>configuration
>>; This sample file does *not* represent stunnel.conf defaults
>>; Please consult the manual for detailed description of available
>>options
>>
>>;
>>***********************************************************************
>>

>>*
>>; * Global options *
>>;
>>***********************************************************************
>>

>>*
>>
>>; Debugging stuff (may be useful for troubleshooting)
>>debug = 5
>>output = stunnel.log
>>
>>; Enable FIPS 140-2 mode if needed it for compliance
>>fips = no
>>
>>; Initialize Microsoft CryptoAPI interface
>>engine = capi
>>; Also needs "engineID = capi" in each section using the CAPI engine
>>
>>;
>>***********************************************************************
>>

>>*
>>; * Service defaults may also be specified in individual service
>>sections *
>>;
>>***********************************************************************
>>

Spoke to soon
After restarting windows get
Open Service Error 1060 The specified service does not exist as an
installed service.
Can't spot anything different anywhere.
Does this imply an error in stunnel config file?
Oddly when I did reboot I got an Invalid mailbase from connect. Rebuilt
OK but I could count on one hand the number of times that's happened in
the last twenty years. Coincidence?
--
bert

[bert]

In article <uv1gGXA7...@m.raefell.co.uk>, bert

Here's the relevant bit of my stunnel config
[gmail-pop3]

client = yes
accept = 127.0.0.1:3110

connect = pop.gmail.com:995

TIMEOUTconnect = 60
TIMEOUTidle = 40
TIMEOUTbusy = 40
TIMEOUTclose = 40

[gmail-smtp]

client = yes
accept = 127.0.0.1:25

connect = smtp.gmail.com:465
--
bert

[Andy]

In message <uv1gGXA7...@m.raefell.co.uk>, bert
<be...@btinternet.com> wrote
[]

>After restarting windows get
>Open Service Error 1060 The specified service does not exist as an
>installed service.
>Can't spot anything different anywhere.
>Does this imply an error in stunnel config file?

Are you sure that Stunnel is actually running, not just installed?

If it is there should be a Snoopy icon in the system tray. What colour
is it? Try right-clicking it and reloading the configuration.

[bert]

In article <ben9qzBw...@m.raefell.co.uk>, bert

After much fiddling about pop link decided to work but don't know what I
changed.
On smtp side discovered service access details had not been saved so had
reverted back to original. So re-inputted, then sending worked,
So closed down and restarted windows and now it all fails again.
--
bert

[bert]

In article <nNLaZrHD...@kitzbuhel.co.uk>, Andy
<an...@kitzbuhel.co.uk> writes

>In message <uv1gGXA7...@m.raefell.co.uk>, bert
><be...@btinternet.com> wrote
>[]
>>After restarting windows get
>>Open Service Error 1060 The specified service does not exist as an
>>installed service.
>>Can't spot anything different anywhere.
>>Does this imply an error in stunnel config file?
>
>Are you sure that Stunnel is actually running, not just installed?
>
>If it is there should be a Snoopy icon in the system tray. What colour
>is it? Try right-clicking it and reloading the configuration.

There is now and its green - I was clicking on service start not stunnel
GUI start
So incoming is now working.
Mad sure everything was closed down then restarted and it's all working
again.
Restarted windows and all is OK. BTW I don't have auth. on the smtp
command
Just got to sort out Start up to start things in the right order.
Many thanks again for your help.
I switch to plusnet tomorrow and am using gmail instead of their own
system which is pretty restrictive. Gmail can't be any worse than
BTYahoo even though it does insist on SSL connection.
--
bert

[Roy Brown]

In message <rfU0uLAB...@ntlworld.com>, Mike Swift
<mike....@yeton.co.uk> writing at 11:14:25 in his/her local time
opines:-

>In article <OonghrB4iejXFwct@x.x>, Roy Brown
><Roy_now_fre...@acanthus.demon.co.uk> writes
>>>I've used Turnpike 5.02 and Windows with Virgin Media for years,
>>>suddenly VM have changed something and I can receive e-mails but not
>>>send them, I still collect with Turnpike but use Thunderbird to send, I
>>>suspect it wont be long before I dump TP for good, very sad, as old as
>>>it is I like it's simplicity.
>>>
>>>Stunnel looks a bit beyond my understanding to set up.
>>>
>>>Mike
>>>
>>Get the free Avast! antivirus, and install it to check your incoming and
>>outgoing email.
>>
>>It will do zero-config Stunnel support.
>
>I've a full version of Kaspersky supplied free through Barclays, I
>suspect Avast and it wouldn't get on, can it be set up just to check
>mail and ignore everything else, and do you just install Stunnel but
>not set it up?
>
>Mike
>

Yes, you just enable the Mail Shield only.

And no, you don't do anything with Stunnel - the capability is built
right in to Avast itself.

[Mike Swift]

In article <nM7qogbXpMkXFwjz@x.x>, Roy Brown
<Roy_now_fre...@acanthus.demon.co.uk> writes

>>I've a full version of Kaspersky supplied free through Barclays, I
>>suspect Avast and it wouldn't get on, can it be set up just to check
>>mail and ignore everything else, and do you just install Stunnel but
>>not set it up?
>>
>>Mike
>>
>
>Yes, you just enable the Mail Shield only.
>
>And no, you don't do anything with Stunnel - the capability is built right in to
>Avast itself.

Many thanks for your help, I'll give it a try, I'm just worried as KIS
does a very good job of sniffing out dodgy stuff.

[John Hall]

In message <X$U7mLAeK...@ntlworld.com>, Mike Swift
<mike....@yeton.co.uk> writes

>In article <nM7qogbXpMkXFwjz@x.x>, Roy Brown
><Roy_now_fre...@acanthus.demon.co.uk> writes
>>>I've a full version of Kaspersky supplied free through Barclays, I
>>>suspect Avast and it wouldn't get on, can it be set up just to check
>>>mail and ignore everything else, and do you just install Stunnel but
>>>not set it up?
>>>
>>>Mike
>>>
>>
>>Yes, you just enable the Mail Shield only.
>>
>>And no, you don't do anything with Stunnel - the capability is built
>>right in to
>>Avast itself.
>
>Many thanks for your help, I'll give it a try, I'm just worried as KIS
>does a very good job of sniffing out dodgy stuff.

Presumably so long as you enable Avast's Mail Shield only, you ought to
be able to continue to use KIS without the two products clashing.

[Iain Archer]

John Hall <john_...@jhall.co.uk> wrote on Thu, 21 Jul 2016 at
17:50:24:

>In message <X$U7mLAeK...@ntlworld.com>, Mike Swift
><mike....@yeton.co.uk> writes
>>In article <nM7qogbXpMkXFwjz@x.x>, Roy Brown
>><Roy_now_fre...@acanthus.demon.co.uk> writes
>>>>I've a full version of Kaspersky supplied free through Barclays, I
>>>>suspect Avast and it wouldn't get on, can it be set up just to check
>>>>mail and ignore everything else, and do you just install Stunnel but
>>>>not set it up?
>>>>
>>>>Mike
>>>>
>>>
>>>Yes, you just enable the Mail Shield only.
>>>
>>>And no, you don't do anything with Stunnel - the capability is built
>>>right in to
>>>Avast itself.
>>
>>Many thanks for your help, I'll give it a try, I'm just worried as KIS
>>does a very good job of sniffing out dodgy stuff.
>
>Presumably so long as you enable Avast's Mail Shield only, you ought to
>be able to continue to use KIS without the two products clashing.

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Iain