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Chrisj194801
Dec 19, 2022, 7:30:42 AM12/19/22
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My public Serv7753 utility continues to be accessed about a dozen times a month, normally from 5 or 6 IP addresses. The log has been padded out since late March by 6 accesses a day from Censys scanners, which I gather are collecting IoT data.
The real reason for this post was to see if it appeared, since d.i.s.t. has been very quiet for the last 3 months. Merry Xmas and a Happy New Year!
The real reason for this post was to see if it appeared, since d.i.s.t. has been very quiet for the last 3 months. Merry Xmas and a Happy New Year!
John Hall
Dec 19, 2022, 2:11:50 PM12/19/22
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In message <53a6cfe5-0899-4f87...@googlegroups.com>,
Chrisj194801 <chris...@edimatrix.co.uk> writes
I think newsgroups are effectively immortal, lacking a remove message
for either the group or the whole demon.* hierarchy, from the original
group creator, which isn't going to happen. But even if it did, I
suspect that many news servers (plus Google Groups) wouldn't take any
notice.
I suppose that, since Gmail's announcement that they were introducing
2FA quite some time ago now, there haven't really been any big issues.
> Merry Xmas and a Happy New Year!
Thank you. And the same to you and to any other readers.
--
John Hall "Do you have cornflakes in America?"
"Well, actually, they're American."
"So what brings you to Britain then if you have cornflakes already?"
Bill Bryson: "Notes from a Small Island"
Chrisj194801 <chris...@edimatrix.co.uk> writes
for either the group or the whole demon.* hierarchy, from the original
group creator, which isn't going to happen. But even if it did, I
suspect that many news servers (plus Google Groups) wouldn't take any
notice.
I suppose that, since Gmail's announcement that they were introducing
2FA quite some time ago now, there haven't really been any big issues.
> Merry Xmas and a Happy New Year!
--
John Hall "Do you have cornflakes in America?"
"Well, actually, they're American."
"So what brings you to Britain then if you have cornflakes already?"
Bill Bryson: "Notes from a Small Island"
Andy
Dec 20, 2022, 4:57:38 AM12/20/22
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In message <hfnka8ABYLojFwCI@jhall_nospamxx.co.uk>, John Hall
<john_...@jhall.co.uk> wrote
[]
get the message "To get future Google Chrome updates, you'll need
Windows 10 or later. This computer is using Windows 7".
It uses 7 because that's the last Window that provides and supports a
Virtual XP, which I need for running Turnpike. I suppose I could have
Windows 10-or-later running a virtual 7 in turn running virtual XP..
Why Chrome? Several of the sites I regularly access refuse to work with
the latest-possible Internet Explorer, and at least one will *only* work
with Chrome.
If there comes a time when nothing I have is acceptable to the rest of
the world, I'll start breeding carrier pigeons :)
--
Andy Taylor FRPSL
President, Treasurer & Editor of the Austrian Philatelic Society.
<john_...@jhall.co.uk> wrote
[]
>
>I suppose that, since Gmail's announcement that they were introducing
>2FA quite some time ago now, there haven't really been any big issues.
>
A cloud on the horizon... every time I access Chrome, my browser, I now
>I suppose that, since Gmail's announcement that they were introducing
>2FA quite some time ago now, there haven't really been any big issues.
>
get the message "To get future Google Chrome updates, you'll need
Windows 10 or later. This computer is using Windows 7".
It uses 7 because that's the last Window that provides and supports a
Virtual XP, which I need for running Turnpike. I suppose I could have
Windows 10-or-later running a virtual 7 in turn running virtual XP..
Why Chrome? Several of the sites I regularly access refuse to work with
the latest-possible Internet Explorer, and at least one will *only* work
with Chrome.
If there comes a time when nothing I have is acceptable to the rest of
the world, I'll start breeding carrier pigeons :)
--
Andy Taylor FRPSL
President, Treasurer & Editor of the Austrian Philatelic Society.
Andy
Dec 20, 2022, 4:57:38 AM12/20/22
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In message <53a6cfe5-0899-4f87...@googlegroups.com>,
Chrisj194801 <chris...@edimatrix.co.uk> wrote
And to you!
Chrisj194801 <chris...@edimatrix.co.uk> wrote
Adrian
Dec 20, 2022, 5:58:55 AM12/20/22
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In message <Ymf30sCa...@kitzbuhel.co.uk>, Andy
<an...@kitzbuhel.co.uk> writes
a W10/32 bit VM. Basically what you are doing, but with a newer set of
software, and one that gets regular updates.
W10/32 can be downloaded, and it seems that you can run it (with a few
restrictions) with out a licence. What you don't get is the full VM
infrastructure that you got with the W7 and virtual XP, but there are
several VM setups available for free download, I'm using Oracle's
VirtualBox, and that seems to have been pretty well faultless for nearly
4 years now.
Get back to me if you want more info.
Adrian
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To Reply :
replace "bulleid" with "adrian" - all mail to bulleid is rejected
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Every time someone says "I don't believe in trolls", another one dies.
<an...@kitzbuhel.co.uk> writes
>A cloud on the horizon... every time I access Chrome, my browser, I now
>get the message "To get future Google Chrome updates, you'll need
>Windows 10 or later. This computer is using Windows 7".
>
>It uses 7 because that's the last Window that provides and supports a
>Virtual XP, which I need for running Turnpike. I suppose I could have
>Windows 10-or-later running a virtual 7 in turn running virtual XP..
>
I'm writing this using W10. I'm running a W10/64 bit machine, but with
>get the message "To get future Google Chrome updates, you'll need
>Windows 10 or later. This computer is using Windows 7".
>
>It uses 7 because that's the last Window that provides and supports a
>Virtual XP, which I need for running Turnpike. I suppose I could have
>Windows 10-or-later running a virtual 7 in turn running virtual XP..
>
a W10/32 bit VM. Basically what you are doing, but with a newer set of
software, and one that gets regular updates.
W10/32 can be downloaded, and it seems that you can run it (with a few
restrictions) with out a licence. What you don't get is the full VM
infrastructure that you got with the W7 and virtual XP, but there are
several VM setups available for free download, I'm using Oracle's
VirtualBox, and that seems to have been pretty well faultless for nearly
4 years now.
Get back to me if you want more info.
Adrian
--
To Reply :
replace "bulleid" with "adrian" - all mail to bulleid is rejected
Sorry for the rigmarole, If I want spam, I'll go to the shops
Every time someone says "I don't believe in trolls", another one dies.
John Hall
Dec 20, 2022, 6:02:29 AM12/20/22
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>In message <hfnka8ABYLojFwCI@jhall_nospamxx.co.uk>, John Hall
><john_...@jhall.co.uk> wrote
>[]
>>
>>I suppose that, since Gmail's announcement that they were introducing
>>2FA quite some time ago now, there haven't really been any big issues.
>>
>A cloud on the horizon... every time I access Chrome, my browser, I now
>get the message "To get future Google Chrome updates, you'll need
>Windows 10 or later. This computer is using Windows 7".
Yes, Chrome have announced that they are ending support for Windows 7
><john_...@jhall.co.uk> wrote
>[]
>>
>>I suppose that, since Gmail's announcement that they were introducing
>>2FA quite some time ago now, there haven't really been any big issues.
>>
>A cloud on the horizon... every time I access Chrome, my browser, I now
>get the message "To get future Google Chrome updates, you'll need
>Windows 10 or later. This computer is using Windows 7".
next year. Of course it will continue to work, but as time goes by its
security vulnerabilities are likely to increase
>
>It uses 7 because that's the last Window that provides and supports a
>Virtual XP, which I need for running Turnpike. I suppose I could have
>Windows 10-or-later running a virtual 7 in turn running virtual XP..
>
>Why Chrome? Several of the sites I regularly access refuse to work with
>the latest-possible Internet Explorer, and at least one will *only*
>work with Chrome.
work under Chrome unless I use its "Internet Explorer compatibility"
extension. One of the sites belong to the company whose backup software
I'd use, who you would hope would know better.
>
>If there comes a time when nothing I have is acceptable to the rest of
>the world, I'll start breeding carrier pigeons :)
J. P. Gilliver
May 4, 2023, 3:40:05 AM5/4/23
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In message <x7jjDSDA...@ku.gro.lloiff> at Tue, 20 Dec 2022
10:52:48, Adrian <bul...@ku.gro.lioff> writes
Yes - you don't need XP to run Turnpike; I'm quite happily running it
under 7-32, and I gather it runs under 10-32. I've never yet run a VM.
--
J. P. Gilliver
10:52:48, Adrian <bul...@ku.gro.lioff> writes
>In message <Ymf30sCa...@kitzbuhel.co.uk>, Andy
><an...@kitzbuhel.co.uk> writes
>>A cloud on the horizon... every time I access Chrome, my browser, I
>>now get the message "To get future Google Chrome updates, you'll need
>>Windows 10 or later. This computer is using Windows 7".
>>
>>It uses 7 because that's the last Window that provides and supports a
>>Virtual XP, which I need for running Turnpike. I suppose I could have
>>Windows 10-or-later running a virtual 7 in turn running virtual XP..
>>
>
>I'm writing this using W10. I'm running a W10/64 bit machine, but with
>a W10/32 bit VM. Basically what you are doing, but with a newer set of
>software, and one that gets regular updates.
[]
><an...@kitzbuhel.co.uk> writes
>>A cloud on the horizon... every time I access Chrome, my browser, I
>>now get the message "To get future Google Chrome updates, you'll need
>>Windows 10 or later. This computer is using Windows 7".
>>
>>It uses 7 because that's the last Window that provides and supports a
>>Virtual XP, which I need for running Turnpike. I suppose I could have
>>Windows 10-or-later running a virtual 7 in turn running virtual XP..
>>
>
>I'm writing this using W10. I'm running a W10/64 bit machine, but with
>a W10/32 bit VM. Basically what you are doing, but with a newer set of
>software, and one that gets regular updates.
Yes - you don't need XP to run Turnpike; I'm quite happily running it
under 7-32, and I gather it runs under 10-32. I've never yet run a VM.
--
J. P. Gilliver
Bryan Morris
May 4, 2023, 6:34:19 AM5/4/23
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In message <pv7Q2zEM...@255soft.uk>, J. P. Gilliver
<G6...@255soft.uk> writes
Say that again?
Turnpike runs on Windows 10 32 bit? Without VM?
I'm still running Turnpike on this Windows 2000 machine!!
--
Bryan Morris
<G6...@255soft.uk> writes
Turnpike runs on Windows 10 32 bit? Without VM?
I'm still running Turnpike on this Windows 2000 machine!!
--
Bryan Morris
J. P. Gilliver
May 4, 2023, 8:02:35 AM5/4/23
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In message <U1MGXpRd...@this.machine> at Thu, 4 May 2023 11:34:05,
Bryan Morris <nos...@this.machine> writes
[]
requiring minor fiddling which is different under each. (Whether the
32-bit Windows is the real OS or is in a VM, I don't think TP cares.)
I'm not sure about Windows 11: I've not heard any mention _of_ a 32-bit
version of that - I think they've stopped doing it, BICBW (not that
interested, given I'm sticking with 7).
The minor fiddling: the ICACLS (?) thing, I think from XP onwards. I
think 7 might have needed some tweaking to make the buttons visible, or
something like that; I haven't done that since loading TP, but I think I
might have already done it anyway. There are further twiddles in 10,
which (see above) I've not paid much attention to, but DIST will
certainly have details.
--
J. P. Gilliver
Bryan Morris <nos...@this.machine> writes
[]
>Say that again?
>Turnpike runs on Windows 10 32 bit? Without VM?
>I'm still running Turnpike on this Windows 2000 machine!!
It is my understanding that TP will run on any 32-bit Windows, though
>Turnpike runs on Windows 10 32 bit? Without VM?
>I'm still running Turnpike on this Windows 2000 machine!!
requiring minor fiddling which is different under each. (Whether the
32-bit Windows is the real OS or is in a VM, I don't think TP cares.)
I'm not sure about Windows 11: I've not heard any mention _of_ a 32-bit
version of that - I think they've stopped doing it, BICBW (not that
interested, given I'm sticking with 7).
The minor fiddling: the ICACLS (?) thing, I think from XP onwards. I
think 7 might have needed some tweaking to make the buttons visible, or
something like that; I haven't done that since loading TP, but I think I
might have already done it anyway. There are further twiddles in 10,
which (see above) I've not paid much attention to, but DIST will
certainly have details.
--
J. P. Gilliver
Adrian
May 4, 2023, 11:00:10 AM5/4/23
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In message <QSuOp6Nb...@255soft.uk>, J. P. Gilliver
<G6...@255soft.uk> writes
on W10/64), but I don't remember having to do anything fancy. As I
remember, I just followed the instructions (copy files, then install
TP), and away it went.
<G6...@255soft.uk> writes
>The minor fiddling: the ICACLS (?) thing, I think from XP onwards. I
>think 7 might have needed some tweaking to make the buttons visible, or
>something like that; I haven't done that since loading TP, but I think
>I might have already done it anyway. There are further twiddles in 10,
>which (see above) I've not paid much attention to, but DIST will
>certainly have details.
It's about 4 years since I set it up on this machine (W10/32 VM running
>think 7 might have needed some tweaking to make the buttons visible, or
>something like that; I haven't done that since loading TP, but I think
>I might have already done it anyway. There are further twiddles in 10,
>which (see above) I've not paid much attention to, but DIST will
>certainly have details.
on W10/64), but I don't remember having to do anything fancy. As I
remember, I just followed the instructions (copy files, then install
TP), and away it went.
Chrisj194801
May 4, 2023, 11:32:02 AM5/4/23
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> Turnpike runs on Windows 10 32 bit? Without VM?
> I'm still running Turnpike on this Windows 2000 machine!!
> --
> Bryan Morris
Regards
Chris
Bryan Morris
May 4, 2023, 12:00:09 PM5/4/23
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In message <OPLONfDg...@ku.gro.lloiff>, Adrian
<bul...@ku.gro.lioff> writes
have W10 machine for most other things) Advantage to me of course is
also being able to open browsers using https. via Turnpike
One complication for historical reasons my Win2000 machine has 2 hard
discs (C & D )C being the main disc but when I first installed Turnpike
it installed on D:Turnpike (with Connect in D: Turnpike/Bin )in but it
installed (for some reason) PGP & WS_FTP in C:Turnpike
Not sure where Turnpike will finish up if I install it on W10 and then
overwrite it as instructed on a new machine but I probably will use my
old machine until I've sorted out transfer problems.
<bul...@ku.gro.lioff> writes
>In message <QSuOp6Nb...@255soft.uk>, J. P. Gilliver
><G6...@255soft.uk> writes
>>The minor fiddling: the ICACLS (?) thing, I think from XP onwards. I
>>think 7 might have needed some tweaking to make the buttons visible,
>>or something like that; I haven't done that since loading TP, but I
>>think I might have already done it anyway. There are further twiddles
>>in 10, which (see above) I've not paid much attention to, but DIST
>>will certainly have details.
>
>It's about 4 years since I set it up on this machine (W10/32 VM running
>on W10/64), but I don't remember having to do anything fancy. As I
>remember, I just followed the instructions (copy files, then install
>TP), and away it went.
>
>Adrian
Hmmm I'm looking at recond. Win 32 machines IF Turnpike runs on it (I
><G6...@255soft.uk> writes
>>The minor fiddling: the ICACLS (?) thing, I think from XP onwards. I
>>think 7 might have needed some tweaking to make the buttons visible,
>>or something like that; I haven't done that since loading TP, but I
>>think I might have already done it anyway. There are further twiddles
>>in 10, which (see above) I've not paid much attention to, but DIST
>>will certainly have details.
>
>It's about 4 years since I set it up on this machine (W10/32 VM running
>on W10/64), but I don't remember having to do anything fancy. As I
>remember, I just followed the instructions (copy files, then install
>TP), and away it went.
>
>Adrian
have W10 machine for most other things) Advantage to me of course is
also being able to open browsers using https. via Turnpike
One complication for historical reasons my Win2000 machine has 2 hard
discs (C & D )C being the main disc but when I first installed Turnpike
it installed on D:Turnpike (with Connect in D: Turnpike/Bin )in but it
installed (for some reason) PGP & WS_FTP in C:Turnpike
Not sure where Turnpike will finish up if I install it on W10 and then
overwrite it as instructed on a new machine but I probably will use my
old machine until I've sorted out transfer problems.
John Hall
May 7, 2023, 3:54:49 PM5/7/23
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In message <U1MGXpRd...@this.machine>, Bryan Morris
<nos...@this.machine> writes
as that is 64-bit only.
>I'm still running Turnpike on this Windows 2000 machine!!
Wow!
--
John Hall "[It was] so steep that at intervals the street broke into steps,
like a person breaking into giggles or hiccups, and then resumed
its sober climb, until it had another fit of steps."
Ursula K Le Guin "The Beginning Place"
<nos...@this.machine> writes
>In message <pv7Q2zEM...@255soft.uk>, J. P. Gilliver
><G6...@255soft.uk> writes
>>In message <x7jjDSDA...@ku.gro.lloiff> at Tue, 20 Dec 2022
>>10:52:48, Adrian <bul...@ku.gro.lioff> writes
>>>In message <Ymf30sCa...@kitzbuhel.co.uk>, Andy
>>><an...@kitzbuhel.co.uk> writes
>>>>A cloud on the horizon... every time I access Chrome, my browser, I
>>>>now get the message "To get future Google Chrome updates, you'll
>>>>need Windows 10 or later. This computer is using Windows 7".
>>>>
>>>>It uses 7 because that's the last Window that provides and supports
><G6...@255soft.uk> writes
>>In message <x7jjDSDA...@ku.gro.lloiff> at Tue, 20 Dec 2022
>>10:52:48, Adrian <bul...@ku.gro.lioff> writes
>>>In message <Ymf30sCa...@kitzbuhel.co.uk>, Andy
>>><an...@kitzbuhel.co.uk> writes
>>>>A cloud on the horizon... every time I access Chrome, my browser, I
>>>>now get the message "To get future Google Chrome updates, you'll
>>>>need Windows 10 or later. This computer is using Windows 7".
>>>>
>>>>It uses 7 because that's the last Window that provides and supports
>>>>Virtual XP, which I need for running Turnpike. I suppose I could
>>>>have Windows 10-or-later running a virtual 7 in turn running virtual >>>>XP..
>>>>
>>>
>>>I'm writing this using W10. I'm running a W10/64 bit machine, but
>>>with a W10/32 bit VM. Basically what you are doing, but with a newer
>>>set of software, and one that gets regular updates.
>>[]
>>Yes - you don't need XP to run Turnpike; I'm quite happily running it
>>under 7-32, and I gather it runs under 10-32. I've never yet run a VM.
>
>Say that again?
>Turnpike runs on Windows 10 32 bit? Without VM?
Yes, it's doing so here. It's not going to run under Windows 11, though,
>>>>have Windows 10-or-later running a virtual 7 in turn running virtual >>>>XP..
>>>>
>>>
>>>I'm writing this using W10. I'm running a W10/64 bit machine, but
>>>with a W10/32 bit VM. Basically what you are doing, but with a newer
>>>set of software, and one that gets regular updates.
>>[]
>>Yes - you don't need XP to run Turnpike; I'm quite happily running it
>>under 7-32, and I gather it runs under 10-32. I've never yet run a VM.
>
>Say that again?
>Turnpike runs on Windows 10 32 bit? Without VM?
as that is 64-bit only.
>I'm still running Turnpike on this Windows 2000 machine!!
--
John Hall "[It was] so steep that at intervals the street broke into steps,
like a person breaking into giggles or hiccups, and then resumed
its sober climb, until it had another fit of steps."
Ursula K Le Guin "The Beginning Place"
Adrian
May 7, 2023, 4:35:40 PM5/7/23
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In message <$ar5XGFbFAWkFw9D@jhall_nospamxx.co.uk>, John Hall
<john_...@jhall.co.uk> writes
<john_...@jhall.co.uk> writes
>Yes, it's doing so here. It's not going to run under Windows 11,
>though, as that is 64-bit only.
>
Do you know if it is possible to run a W10/32 VM under W11 ?
>though, as that is 64-bit only.
>
John Hall
May 8, 2023, 5:48:03 AM5/8/23
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In message <npYDCeD4...@ku.gro.lloiff>, Adrian
<bul...@ku.gro.lioff> writes
a suitable search on the WWW would turn up something.
<bul...@ku.gro.lioff> writes
>In message <$ar5XGFbFAWkFw9D@jhall_nospamxx.co.uk>, John Hall
><john_...@jhall.co.uk> writes
>>Yes, it's doing so here. It's not going to run under Windows 11,
>>though, as that is 64-bit only.
>>
>
>Do you know if it is possible to run a W10/32 VM under W11 ?
I don't know, but I'd be very surprised if it wasn't possible. I imagine
><john_...@jhall.co.uk> writes
>>Yes, it's doing so here. It's not going to run under Windows 11,
>>though, as that is 64-bit only.
>>
>
>Do you know if it is possible to run a W10/32 VM under W11 ?
a suitable search on the WWW would turn up something.
Invalid
May 8, 2023, 5:54:42 AM5/8/23
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In message <npYDCeD4...@ku.gro.lloiff>, Adrian
<bul...@ku.gro.lioff> writes
<bul...@ku.gro.lioff> writes
>In message <$ar5XGFbFAWkFw9D@jhall_nospamxx.co.uk>, John Hall
><john_...@jhall.co.uk> writes
>>Yes, it's doing so here. It's not going to run under Windows 11,
>>though, as that is 64-bit only.
>>
>
>Do you know if it is possible to run a W10/32 VM under W11 ?
>
>Adrian
Yes it is. I am writing this in Turnpike on a Win10-32bit VM that runs
><john_...@jhall.co.uk> writes
>>Yes, it's doing so here. It's not going to run under Windows 11,
>>though, as that is 64-bit only.
>>
>
>Do you know if it is possible to run a W10/32 VM under W11 ?
>
>Adrian
under Windows 11.
The Win10-32 VM is also running a VNC server so that I can use Turnpike
in a window on another machine (laptop or desktop depending on what I am
doing)>
--
Invalid
Adrian
May 8, 2023, 7:40:40 AM5/8/23
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In message <tbYvHrZE...@wisty.plus.com>, Invalid
<ne...@wisty.plus.com.invalid> writes
to know that I can continue with Turnpike when the time comes.
>The Win10-32 VM is also running a VNC server so that I can use Turnpike
>in a window on another machine (laptop or desktop depending on what I
>am doing)>
Interesting idea, but rather more sophisticated than I need.
<ne...@wisty.plus.com.invalid> writes
>In message <npYDCeD4...@ku.gro.lloiff>, Adrian
><bul...@ku.gro.lioff> writes
>>In message <$ar5XGFbFAWkFw9D@jhall_nospamxx.co.uk>, John Hall
>><john_...@jhall.co.uk> writes
>>>Yes, it's doing so here. It's not going to run under Windows 11,
>>>though, as that is 64-bit only.
>>>
>>
>>Do you know if it is possible to run a W10/32 VM under W11 ?
>>
>>Adrian
>
>
>Yes it is. I am writing this in Turnpike on a Win10-32bit VM that runs
>under Windows 11.
>
Thanks. I hope W11 is a long time off being needed here, but it is good
><bul...@ku.gro.lioff> writes
>>In message <$ar5XGFbFAWkFw9D@jhall_nospamxx.co.uk>, John Hall
>><john_...@jhall.co.uk> writes
>>>Yes, it's doing so here. It's not going to run under Windows 11,
>>>though, as that is 64-bit only.
>>>
>>
>>Do you know if it is possible to run a W10/32 VM under W11 ?
>>
>>Adrian
>
>
>Yes it is. I am writing this in Turnpike on a Win10-32bit VM that runs
>under Windows 11.
>
to know that I can continue with Turnpike when the time comes.
>The Win10-32 VM is also running a VNC server so that I can use Turnpike
>in a window on another machine (laptop or desktop depending on what I
>am doing)>
Bryan Morris
May 8, 2023, 10:20:14 AM5/8/23
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I am awaiting delivery of a reconditioned Win computer with W10 32 bit
on and retire my battered old machine (I DO have W10 64 bit I run for
most stuff)
As I recall it I have to instal Turnpike using entire.exe (which I have)
and then post a copy of my existing data on top (I haven't "transferred
to a new machine" for maybe 20 years) Looking at some of my saved stuff
on d.i.s.t I also will have to use Explorer to restore menus to
Turnpike, Anything else I need to know?
--
Bryan Morris
Bryan Morris
May 8, 2023, 10:23:11 AM5/8/23
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In message <93ZsHg4D...@this.machine>, Bryan Morris
<nos...@this.machine> writes
servers!!!
--
Bryan Morris
<nos...@this.machine> writes
>As I recall it I have to instal Turnpike using entire.exe (which I
>have) and then post a copy of my existing data on top (I haven't
>"transferred to a new machine" for maybe 20 years) Looking at some of
>my saved stuff on d.i.s.t I also will have to use Explorer to restore
>menus to Turnpike, Anything else I need to know?
Oh dear, its so long ago I have forgotten my passwords for my mail
>have) and then post a copy of my existing data on top (I haven't
>"transferred to a new machine" for maybe 20 years) Looking at some of
>my saved stuff on d.i.s.t I also will have to use Explorer to restore
>menus to Turnpike, Anything else I need to know?
servers!!!
--
Bryan Morris
Jim Crowther
May 8, 2023, 11:05:37 AM5/8/23
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In demon.ip.support.turnpike, on Mon, 8 May 2023 15:18:43, Bryan Morris
wrote:
>I am awaiting delivery of a reconditioned Win computer with W10 32 bit
>on and retire my battered old machine (I DO have W10 64 bit I run for
>most stuff)
>
>As I recall it I have to instal Turnpike using entire.exe (which I
>have) and then post a copy of my existing data on top (I haven't
>"transferred to a new machine" for maybe 20 years) Looking at some of
>my saved stuff on d.i.s.t I also will have to use Explorer to restore
>menus to Turnpike, Anything else I need to know?
Transfer the data *first* (the whole TP folder is a good idea), then run
entire.exe over the top.
--
Jim Crowther
wrote:
>I am awaiting delivery of a reconditioned Win computer with W10 32 bit
>on and retire my battered old machine (I DO have W10 64 bit I run for
>most stuff)
>
>As I recall it I have to instal Turnpike using entire.exe (which I
>have) and then post a copy of my existing data on top (I haven't
>"transferred to a new machine" for maybe 20 years) Looking at some of
>my saved stuff on d.i.s.t I also will have to use Explorer to restore
>menus to Turnpike, Anything else I need to know?
entire.exe over the top.
--
Jim Crowther
John Hall
May 8, 2023, 11:24:18 AM5/8/23
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In message <93ZsHg4D...@this.machine>, Bryan Morris
<nos...@this.machine> writes
<snip>
place.
<nos...@this.machine> writes
<snip>
>As I recall it I have to instal Turnpike using entire.exe (which I
>have) and then post a copy of my existing data on top (I haven't
>"transferred to a new machine" for maybe 20 years)
Other way round, IIRC. Install TP with the data folders already in
>have) and then post a copy of my existing data on top (I haven't
>"transferred to a new machine" for maybe 20 years)
place.
J. P. Gilliver
May 8, 2023, 2:54:10 PM5/8/23
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In message <jTg7p7A4...@nospam.at.my.choice.of.UID.invalid> at Mon,
8 May 2023 08:03:20, Jim Crowther
<Don't_bo...@blackhole.do-not-spam.me.uk> writes
That's my memory too. And I think transferring the data over will bring
the passwords for the mail servers too.
>
IIRR there's the ICACL commands to run. And ideally there's also turn
off the autologin to Turnpike (so you have to "log in" to Turnpike to
use it, rather than just start it), and then turn that back off again
once the new setup is working properly), but I know I've moved TP more
than once without doing that. I think on discussion here you only needed
to do that if - something I've forgotten.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
"The great tragedy of science, the slaying of a beautiful theory by an ugly
fact. - Thomas Henry Huxley
8 May 2023 08:03:20, Jim Crowther
<Don't_bo...@blackhole.do-not-spam.me.uk> writes
the passwords for the mail servers too.
>
IIRR there's the ICACL commands to run. And ideally there's also turn
off the autologin to Turnpike (so you have to "log in" to Turnpike to
use it, rather than just start it), and then turn that back off again
once the new setup is working properly), but I know I've moved TP more
than once without doing that. I think on discussion here you only needed
to do that if - something I've forgotten.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
"The great tragedy of science, the slaying of a beautiful theory by an ugly
fact. - Thomas Henry Huxley
John Hall
May 8, 2023, 3:45:08 PM5/8/23
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In message <ueDB6RIl...@255soft.uk>, J. P. Gilliver
<G6...@255soft.uk> writes
<snip>
TP under the "Program Files" directory, and they may not be necessary if
you install it elsewhere. By accident rather than design, when I first
installed TP on W7 I somehow put the data file folders under C:\Turnpike
and the program itself under C:\Program Files\Turnpike, which is perhaps
more logical. I then still had to issue the ICACL for the stuff under
C:\Program Files\Turnpike but not, I think, for the data file folders.
Doing it that way did make ensuring that all the paths in the various
.ini files were correct a bit more complex, though.
<G6...@255soft.uk> writes
<snip>
>IIRR there's the ICACL commands to run. And ideally there's also turn
>off the autologin to Turnpike (so you have to "log in" to Turnpike to
>use it, rather than just start it), and then turn that back off again
>once the new setup is working properly), but I know I've moved TP more
>than once without doing that. I think on discussion here you only
>needed to do that if - something I've forgotten.
>--
I believe that the ICACL commands may only be necessary if you install
>off the autologin to Turnpike (so you have to "log in" to Turnpike to
>use it, rather than just start it), and then turn that back off again
>once the new setup is working properly), but I know I've moved TP more
>than once without doing that. I think on discussion here you only
>needed to do that if - something I've forgotten.
>--
TP under the "Program Files" directory, and they may not be necessary if
you install it elsewhere. By accident rather than design, when I first
installed TP on W7 I somehow put the data file folders under C:\Turnpike
and the program itself under C:\Program Files\Turnpike, which is perhaps
more logical. I then still had to issue the ICACL for the stuff under
C:\Program Files\Turnpike but not, I think, for the data file folders.
Doing it that way did make ensuring that all the paths in the various
.ini files were correct a bit more complex, though.
J. P. Gilliver
May 8, 2023, 4:54:14 PM5/8/23
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In message <BqHre+CY+UWkFwYe@jhall_nospamxx.co.uk> at Mon, 8 May 2023
20:38:00, John Hall <john_...@jhall.co.uk> writes
data in D:\Turnpike (partitions on the single drive on a laptop). In the
hope that I'd retrieve my data, I actually bought a W7-32 machine (which
I'm very pleased with - best £80 I've spent for ages! (i3, 4G, 500G,
15+"; the make is "stone", which I'd never heard of.) Eventually it
turned out I was not getting my data back, so I should probably have
gone for Thunderbird or something, for futureproofing; however, partly
as I'd gone to the trouble of securing a 32-bit system, and partly
because I have muscle and other memory re Turnpike, I decided to stay
with it, even if I didn't have my old files. As such, it was thus a new
installation of Turnpike - I suspect the first one that's been done
anywhere for a long time! I installed it _all_ in D:\Turnpike; what you
say is presumably right, as I completely forgot about the ICACLS, but it
seemed to go fine. It came up as 6.07S, the Demon-only version, as
expected; fortunately I had a key, which I entered - it warned me the
databases would have to be rebuilt which might take some time (which of
course it didn't as they were empty). It then identified as 6.07M, and
has been working fine ever since, once I'd remembered/learnt how to do
things. A few slight oddities: Whenever I start Connect, I get a popup
window saying something like "you have an outdated demo version of
Turnpike; this should not affect its operation. Email
<something>@turnpike.com with subject <something> to <something>." (I
can't remember the exact details as I can only see it when I start
Turnpike.) This popup has an OK button, which I click and it then opens.
(I've sent the email it suggests, but don't expect to get any reply!)
The other two oddities: I used to, when I started Connect, find it
connected - straight into four coloured rectangles for sending and
receiving, mail and news. Now, I have to start Connect, when I get four
grey rectangles, then I have to click the 'phone symbol; anyone remember
how to make it start connected? And when I do that, only the mail ones
are on: I have to click the two Enable buttons to trigger news
sending/receiving. Again, anyone remember how to have these enabled by
default? (They go back to disabled whenever I close Connect.) No great
inconvenience, but it'd be nice to not have to do them - in other
words, when Connect is started, have it open as connected, with all four
rectangles not grey (ideally blue).
20:38:00, John Hall <john_...@jhall.co.uk> writes
>In message <ueDB6RIl...@255soft.uk>, J. P. Gilliver
><G6...@255soft.uk> writes
><snip>
>>IIRR there's the ICACL commands to run. And ideally there's also turn
>>off the autologin to Turnpike (so you have to "log in" to Turnpike to
>>use it, rather than just start it), and then turn that back off again
>>once the new setup is working properly), but I know I've moved TP more
>>than once without doing that. I think on discussion here you only
>>needed to do that if - something I've forgotten.
>>--
>
>I believe that the ICACL commands may only be necessary if you install
>TP under the "Program Files" directory, and they may not be necessary
>if you install it elsewhere. By accident rather than design, when I
>first installed TP on W7 I somehow put the data file folders under
>C:\Turnpike and the program itself under C:\Program Files\Turnpike,
>which is perhaps more logical. I then still had to issue the ICACL for
>the stuff under C:\Program Files\Turnpike but not, I think, for the
>data file folders. Doing it that way did make ensuring that all the
>paths in the various .ini files were correct a bit more complex, though.
I used to have the prog. (and some .ini files) in C:\Turnpike, and my
><G6...@255soft.uk> writes
><snip>
>>IIRR there's the ICACL commands to run. And ideally there's also turn
>>off the autologin to Turnpike (so you have to "log in" to Turnpike to
>>use it, rather than just start it), and then turn that back off again
>>once the new setup is working properly), but I know I've moved TP more
>>than once without doing that. I think on discussion here you only
>>needed to do that if - something I've forgotten.
>>--
>
>I believe that the ICACL commands may only be necessary if you install
>TP under the "Program Files" directory, and they may not be necessary
>if you install it elsewhere. By accident rather than design, when I
>first installed TP on W7 I somehow put the data file folders under
>C:\Turnpike and the program itself under C:\Program Files\Turnpike,
>which is perhaps more logical. I then still had to issue the ICACL for
>the stuff under C:\Program Files\Turnpike but not, I think, for the
>data file folders. Doing it that way did make ensuring that all the
>paths in the various .ini files were correct a bit more complex, though.
data in D:\Turnpike (partitions on the single drive on a laptop). In the
hope that I'd retrieve my data, I actually bought a W7-32 machine (which
I'm very pleased with - best £80 I've spent for ages! (i3, 4G, 500G,
15+"; the make is "stone", which I'd never heard of.) Eventually it
turned out I was not getting my data back, so I should probably have
gone for Thunderbird or something, for futureproofing; however, partly
as I'd gone to the trouble of securing a 32-bit system, and partly
because I have muscle and other memory re Turnpike, I decided to stay
with it, even if I didn't have my old files. As such, it was thus a new
installation of Turnpike - I suspect the first one that's been done
anywhere for a long time! I installed it _all_ in D:\Turnpike; what you
say is presumably right, as I completely forgot about the ICACLS, but it
seemed to go fine. It came up as 6.07S, the Demon-only version, as
expected; fortunately I had a key, which I entered - it warned me the
databases would have to be rebuilt which might take some time (which of
course it didn't as they were empty). It then identified as 6.07M, and
has been working fine ever since, once I'd remembered/learnt how to do
things. A few slight oddities: Whenever I start Connect, I get a popup
window saying something like "you have an outdated demo version of
Turnpike; this should not affect its operation. Email
<something>@turnpike.com with subject <something> to <something>." (I
can't remember the exact details as I can only see it when I start
Turnpike.) This popup has an OK button, which I click and it then opens.
(I've sent the email it suggests, but don't expect to get any reply!)
The other two oddities: I used to, when I started Connect, find it
connected - straight into four coloured rectangles for sending and
receiving, mail and news. Now, I have to start Connect, when I get four
grey rectangles, then I have to click the 'phone symbol; anyone remember
how to make it start connected? And when I do that, only the mail ones
are on: I have to click the two Enable buttons to trigger news
sending/receiving. Again, anyone remember how to have these enabled by
default? (They go back to disabled whenever I close Connect.) No great
inconvenience, but it'd be nice to not have to do them - in other
words, when Connect is started, have it open as connected, with all four
rectangles not grey (ideally blue).
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
Feudalism : It's your count that votes.
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
brian
May 9, 2023, 11:48:12 AM5/9/23
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In message <npYDCeD4...@ku.gro.lloiff>, Adrian
<bul...@ku.gro.lioff> writes
<bul...@ku.gro.lioff> writes
>In message <$ar5XGFbFAWkFw9D@jhall_nospamxx.co.uk>, John Hall
><john_...@jhall.co.uk> writes
>>Yes, it's doing so here. It's not going to run under Windows 11,
>>though, as that is 64-bit only.
>>
>
>Do you know if it is possible to run a W10/32 VM under W11 ?
>
>Adrian
Yes I'm doing it now.
><john_...@jhall.co.uk> writes
>>Yes, it's doing so here. It's not going to run under Windows 11,
>>though, as that is 64-bit only.
>>
>
>Do you know if it is possible to run a W10/32 VM under W11 ?
>
>Adrian
Edition Windows 10 Pro
Version 21H2
Installed on ?24/?09/?2022
Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-10700 CPU @ 2.90GHz 2.90 GHz
Installed RAM 2.63 GB
System type 32-bit operating system, x64-based processor
The host system is Windows 11 home.
There was something I had to run to get Hyper-V to go
https://www.makeuseof.com/install-hyper-v-windows-11-home/
My machine is a Dell XPS and there are no 32 bit drivers for the
peripherals, which means I can't talk to the USB ports or use sound
otherwise OK
I failed to install W10 32 bit dual boot which would have been my
preference, hence VM .
At the last W11 upgrade, the work was undone and I had to repeat the
process and re-attach the virtual drive.
Brian
--
Brian Howie
Adrian
May 9, 2023, 12:29:25 PM5/9/23
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In message <XGZRAOIu...@b-howie.co.uk>, brian
<nos...@b-howie.co.uk> writes
so long as I can set up access to the physical PC (for backups etc.),
that would be OK, Hopefully some time before I need to find out the
hard way.
<nos...@b-howie.co.uk> writes
>My machine is a Dell XPS and there are no 32 bit drivers for the
>peripherals, which means I can't talk to the USB ports or use sound
>otherwise OK
>
>peripherals, which means I can't talk to the USB ports or use sound
>otherwise OK
>
>At the last W11 upgrade, the work was undone and I had to repeat the
>process and re-attach the virtual drive.
>
Thanks. Sound wouldn't be an issue, and I don't think USB would either,
>process and re-attach the virtual drive.
>
so long as I can set up access to the physical PC (for backups etc.),
that would be OK, Hopefully some time before I need to find out the
hard way.
SilverE
May 9, 2023, 5:32:27 PM5/9/23
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At 17:21:46 on Tue, 9 May 2023, Adrian wrote in
<3UJfDEKa...@ku.gro.lloiff>
are much easier to get along with than Hyper-V.
--
SilverE
<3UJfDEKa...@ku.gro.lloiff>
>In message <XGZRAOIu...@b-howie.co.uk>, brian
><nos...@b-howie.co.uk> writes
>>My machine is a Dell XPS and there are no 32 bit drivers for the
>>peripherals, which means I can't talk to the USB ports or use sound
>>otherwise OK
>>
>>At the last W11 upgrade, the work was undone and I had to repeat the
>>process and re-attach the virtual drive.
>>
>
>Thanks. Sound wouldn't be an issue, and I don't think USB would
>either, so long as I can set up access to the physical PC (for backups
>etc.), that would be OK, Hopefully some time before I need to find out
>the hard way.
>
I suggest investigating VMWare Workstation Player, or VirtualBox, which
><nos...@b-howie.co.uk> writes
>>My machine is a Dell XPS and there are no 32 bit drivers for the
>>peripherals, which means I can't talk to the USB ports or use sound
>>otherwise OK
>>
>>At the last W11 upgrade, the work was undone and I had to repeat the
>>process and re-attach the virtual drive.
>>
>
>Thanks. Sound wouldn't be an issue, and I don't think USB would
>either, so long as I can set up access to the physical PC (for backups
>etc.), that would be OK, Hopefully some time before I need to find out
>the hard way.
>
are much easier to get along with than Hyper-V.
--
SilverE
Adrian
May 9, 2023, 6:47:53 PM5/9/23
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In message <cE07HLBq...@intrins1c1.plus.com>, SilverE
<w...@localhost.invalid> writes
I'm currently using VirtualBox on a W10/64 to run a W10/32, and all I
need works (*), what I was referring to in the above posting was might
happen with a W11/64 box.
(*), the only thing that doesn't work correctly at the moment is
printing (Laser printer in the LAN). I can print, but the print only
starts when the VM is closed down. For the odd print every now and
again, its not something I'm getting excited about.
<w...@localhost.invalid> writes
need works (*), what I was referring to in the above posting was might
happen with a W11/64 box.
(*), the only thing that doesn't work correctly at the moment is
printing (Laser printer in the LAN). I can print, but the print only
starts when the VM is closed down. For the odd print every now and
again, its not something I'm getting excited about.
J. P. Gilliver
May 10, 2023, 6:55:47 AM5/10/23
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In message <atRENSD5...@ku.gro.lloiff> at Tue, 9 May 2023 23:46:17,
Adrian <bul...@ku.gro.lioff> writes
[]
_very_ odd!) If you can (print from the host OS that is), then you could
always "print" to a PDF on the VM, and print that from the host, which
would avoid having to close the VM. (I'd probably install the pdf995
"printer" as I'm used to it, but I think PDF "printers" come already
installed with W10 and 11.)
eaten television here. - Sam Neill (RT 2014/10/11-17)
Adrian <bul...@ku.gro.lioff> writes
[]
>I'm currently using VirtualBox on a W10/64 to run a W10/32, and all I
>need works (*), what I was referring to in the above posting was might
>happen with a W11/64 box.
>
>(*), the only thing that doesn't work correctly at the moment is
>printing (Laser printer in the LAN). I can print, but the print only
>starts when the VM is closed down. For the odd print every now and
>again, its not something I'm getting excited about.
>
>Adrian
Can you print _from the host OS_ while the VM is running? (If not, seems
>need works (*), what I was referring to in the above posting was might
>happen with a W11/64 box.
>
>(*), the only thing that doesn't work correctly at the moment is
>printing (Laser printer in the LAN). I can print, but the print only
>starts when the VM is closed down. For the odd print every now and
>again, its not something I'm getting excited about.
>
>Adrian
_very_ odd!) If you can (print from the host OS that is), then you could
always "print" to a PDF on the VM, and print that from the host, which
would avoid having to close the VM. (I'd probably install the pdf995
"printer" as I'm used to it, but I think PDF "printers" come already
installed with W10 and 11.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
Everybody's throwing dinner parties, cooking this, baking that... Food has
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
eaten television here. - Sam Neill (RT 2014/10/11-17)
Adrian
May 10, 2023, 9:18:04 AM5/10/23
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In message <Epg7H9bo...@255soft.uk>, J. P. Gilliver
<G6...@255soft.uk> writes
> If you can (print from the host OS that is), then you could always
>"print" to a PDF on the VM, and print that from the host, which would
>avoid having to close the VM. (I'd probably install the pdf995
>"printer" as I'm used to it, but I think PDF "printers" come already
>installed with W10 and 11.)
I've just had another look at it, and it seems that things have changed.
In the past I used to be able to print directly from Turnpike (i.e.
print off an email), but now, that option seems to have gone, and I can
only print to PDF. If I then open that PDF (on the VM), it doesn't
allow me to print to the printer, but will allow me to print to a PDF
(!). I can copy/move the PDF to the underlying machine, and print from
there.
A bit more digging in the W10/32 settings show that the printer has been
set up, but it claims that the drivers are unavailable. I wonder when
that changed.
<G6...@255soft.uk> writes
>In message <atRENSD5...@ku.gro.lloiff> at Tue, 9 May 2023
>23:46:17, Adrian <bul...@ku.gro.lioff> writes
>[]
>>I'm currently using VirtualBox on a W10/64 to run a W10/32, and all I
>>need works (*), what I was referring to in the above posting was might
>>happen with a W11/64 box.
>>
>>(*), the only thing that doesn't work correctly at the moment is
>>printing (Laser printer in the LAN). I can print, but the print only
>>starts when the VM is closed down. For the odd print every now and
>>again, its not something I'm getting excited about.
>>
>>Adrian
>
>Can you print _from the host OS_ while the VM is running? (If not,
>seems _very_ odd!)
Yes I can.
>23:46:17, Adrian <bul...@ku.gro.lioff> writes
>[]
>>I'm currently using VirtualBox on a W10/64 to run a W10/32, and all I
>>need works (*), what I was referring to in the above posting was might
>>happen with a W11/64 box.
>>
>>(*), the only thing that doesn't work correctly at the moment is
>>printing (Laser printer in the LAN). I can print, but the print only
>>starts when the VM is closed down. For the odd print every now and
>>again, its not something I'm getting excited about.
>>
>>Adrian
>
>Can you print _from the host OS_ while the VM is running? (If not,
>seems _very_ odd!)
> If you can (print from the host OS that is), then you could always
>"print" to a PDF on the VM, and print that from the host, which would
>avoid having to close the VM. (I'd probably install the pdf995
>"printer" as I'm used to it, but I think PDF "printers" come already
>installed with W10 and 11.)
In the past I used to be able to print directly from Turnpike (i.e.
print off an email), but now, that option seems to have gone, and I can
only print to PDF. If I then open that PDF (on the VM), it doesn't
allow me to print to the printer, but will allow me to print to a PDF
(!). I can copy/move the PDF to the underlying machine, and print from
there.
A bit more digging in the W10/32 settings show that the printer has been
set up, but it claims that the drivers are unavailable. I wonder when
that changed.
Adrian
May 10, 2023, 9:25:57 AM5/10/23
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In message <zLPcgmDz...@ku.gro.lloiff>, Adrian
<bul...@ku.gro.lioff> writes
printer, and I now get it as an option.
<bul...@ku.gro.lioff> writes
>A bit more digging in the W10/32 settings show that the printer has
>been set up, but it claims that the drivers are unavailable. I wonder
>when that changed.
>
Curiouser and curiouser. I've just uninstalled and reinstalled the
>been set up, but it claims that the drivers are unavailable. I wonder
>when that changed.
>
printer, and I now get it as an option.
J. P. Gilliver
May 10, 2023, 5:17:49 PM5/10/23
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In message <$pB$ItIJn5...@ku.gro.lloiff> at Wed, 10 May 2023
14:19:05, Adrian <bul...@ku.gro.lioff> writes
VM; is it a USB printer?
But if you can "print" to a PDF, that's going to allow you to print
without having to stop the VM, which is an improvement. I don't know
much about VMs, but can you set up an area - even if you have to make a
tiny partition - accessible to both OSs without having to actively move
the file(s) over every time?
You might even be able to (I suspect it'd be beyond me) set some task
(if task is the right word) on the host OS that repeatedly checks the
shared location, and if it finds anything there, prints it and then
deletes it. (It could look only for PDFs, or for anything, whichever is
easier - I suspect anything would be easier, and no hardship if you used
that area purely for this purpose.) That would then be (to the VM) like
sending to a real printer. How often it checks would be up to you -
somewhere between every 10 seconds and every minute I'd guess would be
reasonable.
isn't more popular. - Scott Adams, 2015
14:19:05, Adrian <bul...@ku.gro.lioff> writes
>In message <zLPcgmDz...@ku.gro.lloiff>, Adrian
><bul...@ku.gro.lioff> writes
>>A bit more digging in the W10/32 settings show that the printer has
>>been set up, but it claims that the drivers are unavailable. I wonder
>>when that changed.
>>
>
>Curiouser and curiouser. I've just uninstalled and reinstalled the
>printer, and I now get it as an option.
>
>Adrian
I think you said earlier in this thread that USB wasn't available to the
><bul...@ku.gro.lioff> writes
>>A bit more digging in the W10/32 settings show that the printer has
>>been set up, but it claims that the drivers are unavailable. I wonder
>>when that changed.
>>
>
>Curiouser and curiouser. I've just uninstalled and reinstalled the
>printer, and I now get it as an option.
>
>Adrian
VM; is it a USB printer?
But if you can "print" to a PDF, that's going to allow you to print
without having to stop the VM, which is an improvement. I don't know
much about VMs, but can you set up an area - even if you have to make a
tiny partition - accessible to both OSs without having to actively move
the file(s) over every time?
You might even be able to (I suspect it'd be beyond me) set some task
(if task is the right word) on the host OS that repeatedly checks the
shared location, and if it finds anything there, prints it and then
deletes it. (It could look only for PDFs, or for anything, whichever is
easier - I suspect anything would be easier, and no hardship if you used
that area purely for this purpose.) That would then be (to the VM) like
sending to a real printer. How often it checks would be up to you -
somewhere between every 10 seconds and every minute I'd guess would be
reasonable.
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In message <8Rt1ZekY...@255soft.uk>, J. P. Gilliver
<G6...@255soft.uk> writes
>But if you can "print" to a PDF, that's going to allow you to print
>without having to stop the VM, which is an improvement. I don't know
>much about VMs, but can you set up an area - even if you have to make a
>tiny partition - accessible to both OSs without having to actively move
>the file(s) over every time?
>
I've set up a Z: drive on the VM, which points to the "My Documents"
directory on the underlying machine (PM). I set this up specifically to
allow me to get files back to the PM so that I could open documents
(rather than having to install an Office package on the VM). It also
makes back ups easier, as I copy the files from the VM to the PM and
they then get backed up with everything else. I can save to the Z:
drive from Turnpike, and likewise attach files from it to outgoing
emails.
>You might even be able to (I suspect it'd be beyond me) set some task
>(if task is the right word) on the host OS that repeatedly checks the
>shared location, and if it finds anything there, prints it and then
>deletes it. (It could look only for PDFs, or for anything, whichever is
>easier - I suspect anything would be easier, and no hardship if you
>used that area purely for this purpose.) That would then be (to the VM)
>like sending to a real printer. How often it checks would be up to you
>- somewhere between every 10 seconds and every minute I'd guess would
>be reasonable.
I could set that up in a matter of minutes on a Linux box, but it would
probably take me days to sort out how to do it under W10. However, as I
only get, at best, a handful of items a year that I need to print from
the VM, I'm not going to get too excited about it.
<G6...@255soft.uk> writes
>I think you said earlier in this thread that USB wasn't available to
>the VM; is it a USB printer?
>
No, it's a network printer.
>the VM; is it a USB printer?
>
>But if you can "print" to a PDF, that's going to allow you to print
>without having to stop the VM, which is an improvement. I don't know
>much about VMs, but can you set up an area - even if you have to make a
>tiny partition - accessible to both OSs without having to actively move
>the file(s) over every time?
>
directory on the underlying machine (PM). I set this up specifically to
allow me to get files back to the PM so that I could open documents
(rather than having to install an Office package on the VM). It also
makes back ups easier, as I copy the files from the VM to the PM and
they then get backed up with everything else. I can save to the Z:
drive from Turnpike, and likewise attach files from it to outgoing
emails.
>You might even be able to (I suspect it'd be beyond me) set some task
>(if task is the right word) on the host OS that repeatedly checks the
>shared location, and if it finds anything there, prints it and then
>deletes it. (It could look only for PDFs, or for anything, whichever is
>easier - I suspect anything would be easier, and no hardship if you
>used that area purely for this purpose.) That would then be (to the VM)
>like sending to a real printer. How often it checks would be up to you
>- somewhere between every 10 seconds and every minute I'd guess would
>be reasonable.
probably take me days to sort out how to do it under W10. However, as I
only get, at best, a handful of items a year that I need to print from
the VM, I'm not going to get too excited about it.
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