Which Newsgroup?
The Ghost of 15916
Is it an "official" Turnpike support group for non-demon
users, or just someone mucking arround? Knowing how
hard it is to create uk.* groups, one tends to assume
it's official, but appart from the odd spam there is
nothing there just now.
Anyone care to comment?
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Richard Clayton
<ro...@liberator.force9.net> writes
>What is the status of uk.comp.net-client.turnpike?
it doesn't exist any more
If your newsserver still carries it then it has failed to honour an
Official Request from the people who run the uk.* hierarchy. Speak to
your ISP about this
>Is it an "official" Turnpike support group for non-demon
>users
no it wasn't
>, or just someone mucking arround?
no
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The Ghost of 15916
Richard Clayton <ric...@turnpike.com> doth scribe:
> In article <cGzX2.1409$97.794@stones>, The Ghost of 15916
> <ro...@liberator.force9.net> writes
>
>>What is the status of uk.comp.net-client.turnpike?
>
> it doesn't exist any more
>
> If your newsserver still carries it then it has failed to honour an
> Official Request from the people who run the uk.* hierarchy. Speak to
> your ISP about this
Force9 carry all the groups provided by their upstream providers,
so presumably one of them is still carrying it.
So the official TP group is still the Demon one - fairy snuff!
>>Is it an "official" Turnpike support group for non-demon
>>users
> no it wasn't
>
>>, or just someone mucking arround?
> no
Aha - former group from way back when TP was independent?
Can we rely on Demon continuing to propogate their groups (or
at least the Turnpike one) globally for the benefit of Turnpike
users who are not Demon customers (I know several)?
Thanks!
John Underwood
<ro...@liberator.force9.net> wrote in demon.ip.support.turnpike:
(Reference: <4_AX2.1417$97.809@stones>)
>Can we rely on Demon continuing to propogate their groups (or
>at least the Turnpike one) globally for the benefit of Turnpike
>users who are not Demon customers (I know several)?
How are Demon supposed to do that? Global propagation means propagation
on all the news servers in the world. In case you hadn't noticed, Demon
doesn't control (let alone own) most of these. If you have a problem
with your news server not carrying a news group, then that is a matter
for you to take up with them.
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John Underwood
The Ghost of 15916
John Underwood <jo...@jsunderwood.demon.co.uk> doth scribe:
> How are Demon supposed to do that? Global propagation means propagation
> on all the news servers in the world. In case you hadn't noticed, Demon
> doesn't control (let alone own) most of these. If you have a problem
> with your news server not carrying a news group, then that is a matter
> for you to take up with them.
No, that's not what I meant. The demon.* groups are currently
propogated globally, which is why I can read them from Force9's
news servers, and why the looney inhabitants of certain alt.*
groups in the USA can cross-post garbage to demon.local - if
their own servers didn't have it, they wouldn't know it was there.
Most ISP groups, on the other hand, are kept within their own
servers, and not propogated - for example, I don't think you
will find force9.service.announce anywhere other than Force9's
own servers.
As d.i.s.t appears to be the main forum for Turnpike discussions,
I was just wondering if there is any policy to keep it globally
available.
Cheers!
John Underwood
<ro...@liberator.force9.net> wrote in demon.ip.support.turnpike:
(Reference: <vnTX2.1640$97.1115@stones>)
>Most ISP groups, on the other hand, are kept within their own
>servers, and not propogated - for example, I don't think you
>will find force9.service.announce anywhere other than Force9's
>own servers.
>
>As d.i.s.t appears to be the main forum for Turnpike discussions,
>I was just wondering if there is any policy to keep it globally
>available.
I repeat my comment. If you want an ISP's news server to carry a news
group, then it is something to take up with the ISP. As far as I can
see, it is neither a Turnpike problem, nor even a Demon one.
I have been able to receive d.i.s.t (admittedly with intermittent
difficulty) on digitalab.de. Any difficulties are with the ISP, not
Demon.
--
John Underwood
Sam The Skull
John Underwood <jo...@jsunderwood.demon.co.uk> doth scribe:
> I repeat my comment. If you want an ISP's news server to carry a news
> group, then it is something to take up with the ISP. As far as I can
> see, it is neither a Turnpike problem, nor even a Demon one.
>
> I have been able to receive d.i.s.t (admittedly with intermittent
> difficulty) on digitalab.de. Any difficulties are with the ISP, not
> Demon.
You are completley missing the point.
Most ISP's create their own local groups, on their own servers.
These groups are "private" in that they can only be found on that
ISP's news servers (they are created locally by the news administrator
and are not propogated beyond their local server).
The demon groups are different, in that they _have_ been propogated
globally (or at least over a wide area), and can thus be read (and
posted to) on a variety of servers.
The question being asked was whether there is any policy / position
held amongst those who control such things, as to whether the demon
groups (esp the Turnpike one) will continue to be so propogated in
the future.
PS: Sorry for the varying ID, Knews is set to different defaults
for the uk.* groups. As I now know that u.c.n.t is dead, I've
removed it from the headers.
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Richard Clayton
<ro...@liberator.force9.net> writes
>The question being asked was whether there is any policy / position
>held amongst those who control such things, as to whether the demon
>groups (esp the Turnpike one) will continue to be so propogated in
>the future.
the people who control such things are more likely to comment in
demon.service than here. When they have commented in the past they have
indicated that it is policy to offer demon.* to news peers. As you will
know, it is impossible to comment on other peoples peering policies.
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Sam The Skull
Richard Clayton <ric...@turnpike.com> doth scribe:
> the people who control such things are more likely to comment in
> demon.service than here. When they have commented in the past they have
> indicated that it is policy to offer demon.* to news peers. As you will
> know, it is impossible to comment on other peoples peering policies.
Aha - that answers the question. Thanks!