The Need for Denial Re: third term of the bush-cheney??? Screw you Johny come lately

[Sharon Tipton]

Having worked so long for the Democrats is no reason not to leave them. They are clearly bought and sold by the lobbyists for war insuance oil etc. Yes, even Obama APPEARS

On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 3:00 PM, Gary Coutin <gmcout...@yahoo.com> wrote:

there are serious matters at hand, and this is no time for irrational statements like that.  

 

Jackie K.  You are the bomb.   Keep it up.  

 

gmc

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From: jacqueline klein <j.kle...@gmail.com>
To: democrat...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, July 5, 2009 2:53:00 PM
Subject: Re: Voting is crap

it is absolutely ridiculous to say that this first term of obama looks like a third term of the bush-cheney administration.

please spare us the hyperbole. there are serious matters at hand, and this is no time for irrational statements like that.

On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 2:13 PM, Gary Coutin <gmcout...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Bullshit.   Voting is crap unless you are willing to put behind it your "lives, your fortunes, and your sacred honor."  

 

gmc

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From: "Ksh...@aol.com" <Ksh...@aol.com>
To: democrat...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 3, 2009 2:59:46 PM
Subject: Re: Kaffee-Klatch July 4th and 11th

At best Sarah Palin has been a distraction.  I think I will save my real celebration for the time when Obama actually upholds his campaign promises.  Just off the top of my head.

1) Whatever happened to ending the war in Iraq
2) Getting rid of the patriot act and FISA bills
3) Keeping lobbyists out of his administration

4) Getting rid of NAFTA

Where is the change we all voted for.  I hope this isn't sacrilegious to mention this to the group but it seems an awful lot like we got the third term of Bush we were hoping to avoid.

 

 

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It's raining cats and dogs -- Come to PawNation, a place where pets rule!

[Sharon Tipton]

...to have  succumbed to the $ on the Hill!

See the partial list of broken promises already noted...

The simplistic idea that all Republicans are wrong and all Democrats are in the right has hurt our grassroots leaders' ability to see beyond the man to the welfare of all, despite party. Plainly, whatever Obama is, his administration is being criticized by the left not because they want to. But because something is wrong with this picture.

[Dr Bill Honigman]

There are degrees of "bought and sold".  I'm with the Barbara Lee, Maxine Waters, Raul Grijalva, Bob Filner, Paul Wellstone party!

 

Dr B

 

[Sharon Tipton]

Good luck w/ that Dr. B. As good as they are, and as you are ! :-)The party and system are not working. They should be calling for protests daily. sharon

[jacqueline klein]

 paul wellstone is sorely missed.  

On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Dr Bill Honigman <drbillh...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Sharon Tipton]

Just to add, those great progressive dems are not being effective because their party has sold out. The Dem Party have become as bad as the republicans. I have no use for them but do appreciate the efforts for peace and justice of all those who are working toward that effort.
sharon

[Dr Bill Honigman]

I agree, but calling for protests is not enough.  We have to do it coffee group by coffee group.

 

:-)

 

[jacqueline klein]

there is a lot wrong with the picture....but  what appears to be increasingly wrong with the picture, is the expectation that because you voted for him, he was going to be able to pass everything with a finger-snap in congress.

sadly, it just does not work that way.

    it is not so easy to get legislation through congress. you still need the votes, and health care, like everything else, ultimately is going to land there.

     so we can work for what we are hoping for....and there is power in a unified voice...but there are a lot of disparate voices and special interests.

so for the issues that are most important to us, we have to keep working.

     there is a lot more to the complexities of revamping the entire health care system in a severely broken economy than just telling horror stories of our visits to the doctor. 

health care reform encompasses huge sectors of the economy.

and there will be compromises.

[jacqueline klein]

[Sharon Tipton]

I admit I'm simplistic and politically unsophisticated ! I would do well organizing a government ----on a very small island!

I've just read David Swanson's great strategy for peace: A Plan to End the Wars
http://www.davidswanson.org/node/1940

It was encouraging to read how the anti-war movement stopped the war in Iran.And  he explains it takes...years...I guess I'm always so shook up by the incredible callous devastation war governments and corporations create..being the news freak that I am I see atrocities almost everyday....I'm just impatient for justice...

I guess I could turn this vitriol into congressional watchdog diligence......and stay with the Dems, but it would also be nice to work to build a party - say the Greens - to 5%,  just for healthy competition's sake! I guess that would make a Green Dem...

Yours  controversially,
Sharon

[Gary Coutin]

Now this is "nuanced."   We are all on that spectrum.   Even Thomas Jefferson.   Even Thomas Paine.  

 

gmc

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From: Dr Bill Honigman <drbillh...@gmail.com>
To: democrat...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, July 5, 2009 6:13:48 PM
Subject: Re: The Need for Denial Re: third term of the bush-cheney??? Screw you Johny come lately

[Gary Coutin]

I wrote him two weeks before he died.  I sent him the 'pelican brief."  

gmc

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From: jacqueline klein <j.kle...@gmail.com>
To: democrat...@googlegroups.com

Sent: Sunday, July 5, 2009 6:33:45 PM

Subject: Re: The Need for Denial Re: third term of the bush-cheney??? Screw you Johny come lately

[Gary Coutin]

Let's focus on abolishing corporate feudalism and the mocker of "republicanism" that is the current Republican Party.   Then the Democrats will split into the Democrats and the democrats as the Republicans did in 1872.

 

gmc

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From: Sharon Tipton <sharon...@gmail.com>
To: democrat...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, July 5, 2009 6:36:25 PM

Subject: Re: The Need for Denial Re: third term of the bush-cheney??? Screw you Johny come lately