Hello again and The Mark
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Please read Exodus 13:7-10 and let me know if you think this might be
the first occurence of the mark.
In Him,
Stephen Paul
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Hi,
Exodus 13:7-10 is talking about YHUH's laws. On our hands is the
things we are supose to do, or not suppose to do. On our forehead is
that we remember his laws, do what he says do. And on our lips is that
we are to proclaim his name and laws.. We are not to speak, think or do
peagan things. Only that which is of YHUH..
7Eat unleavened bread during those seven days; nothing with
yeast in it is to be seen among you, nor shall any yeast be seen
anywhere within your borders.
8On that day tell your son, `I do this because of what the
LORD did for me when I came out of Egypt.'
9This observance will be for you like a sign on your hand and
a reminder on your forehead that the law of the LORD is to be on your
lips. For the LORD brought you out of Egypt with his mighty hand.
10You must keep this ordinance at the appointed time year
after year.
At this time, these people were doing everything backwards. YHUH was
teaching them his laws and Sabbaths. Telling them to remember them.
Martha
CYM...@aol.com
<< > Please read Exodus 13:7-10 and let me know if you think this might be
> the first occurence of the mark.
>
> In Him,
>
> Stephen Paul >>
Hi Stephen. I believe that there are two "marks" we should be concerned
with. One is the mark placed on the elect in Christ by God Himself and the
other is the mark of the beast. Clearly, the mark you are discussing is the
mark of God. I do believe that there are very few Christians that actually
observe the biblical feast days. I believe that most Christians celebrate
the pagan holidays of Easter and Christmas instead. I believe that one way
God's elect will differentiate themselves from the rest of the world is that
they will be those who actually keep the biblical feast days. In that sense,
I believe you may be right concerning the "sign" of Exodus 13. I believe
that the references to the "hand" and "between the eyes" has to do with our
works in conjunction with our faith and knowledge. Tim
alan...@my-deja.com
in England, attend an Anglican church although I'm not an Anglican, and
do a fair bit of preaching (also in Anglican churches!). I'm a deeply
convinced believer in the historicist approach to Bible Prophecy, and
hope to interact with your forum when I return from a preaching tour in
Tanzania in about four weeks time.
This posting intersts me. I believe observing the passover truly was a
mark of commitment to God when practised in OT times. Therefore our
observation of communion is a similar New Covenant mark.
The Catholic equivalent of communion is the blasphemous Mass. Observing
this was a visible mark of commitment to the papacy throughout the
middle ages in Europe. Refusal to display this mark (by attending Mass)
was the usual reason that heretics were burnt at the stake at the
instigation of the Inquisition.
I recommend reading Graven Bread by Tim Kauffman, available fom White
Horse Publications on www.whpub.com. Very informative this precise
topic as well as Marian Apparitions.
In article <7k8uca$tpk$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
mngu...@my-deja.com wrote:
> In article <7joqeq$mtl$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> bla...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > Hello again - new address
> >
> > Please read Exodus 13:7-10 and let me know if you think this might
be
> > the first occurence of the mark.
> >
> > In Him,
> >
> > Stephen Paul
> >
CYM...@aol.com
alan...@my-deja.com writes:
<< The Catholic equivalent of communion is the blasphemous Mass. Observing
this was a visible mark of commitment to the papacy throughout the
middle ages in Europe. Refusal to display this mark (by attending Mass)
was the usual reason that heretics were burnt at the stake at the
instigation of the Inquisition.
I recommend reading Graven Bread by Tim Kauffman, available fom White
Horse Publications on www.whpub.com. Very informative this precise
topic as well as Marian Apparitions. >>
The book "Graven Bread" by Kauffman is very excellent indeed. I highly
recommend Kauffman's books. He also wrote one entitled "Quite Contrary"
concerning the demonic apparitions of Mary. I have numerous books by
numerous authors concerning the Roman Catholic church (Mystery Bablylon the
Great). I would name them if they weren't all packed away. I currently live
in southern California but I will be leaving for Schell City, MO day after
tomorrow (Saturday the 19th). I have been a long-time supporter of Pastor
Dan Gayman's Church of Israel in that part of the country. There isn't a
church within a hundred square miles of my present location that you could
pay me to attend. They all teach that "Jesus was a Jew"; that "the Jews are
God's chosen people"; the false "secret rapture of the saints" doctrine; that
"the Law was done away with"; etc. They are also very racially mixed here
and even promote (in some cases) interracial marriage. Dan Gayman is the
best Bible teacher I know of in the United States. Tim
Pastor James P.S. Templeton
Thank you very much for your recommendations. It is refreshing to read your
testimony and to know you are Historicist. We seem to be so slim on the
ground and so far apart. It is sad how the secret rapture theory introduced
by a Jesuit has virtually removed real prophecy from Christendom. They do
not realise that Anti-Christ is with us and has been for nearly 2,000 years.
Perhaps they will permit him to preside over the Great Babylon or the United
States of Europe regarded by some as the Holy Roman Empire. His title
"Pontifex Maximus" should be sufficient even without his number identified
in several languages as 666, for example Latin, Hebrew and Greek. I hope
you will enjoy the articles on the list. If I can help you in any way,
please don't hesitate to get back to me. If you want to join use the first
line, Your brother in the Lord Jesus, Jim
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From: alan...@my-deja.com [mailto:alan...@my-deja.com]
Sent: 17 June 1999 9:08 PM
To: dejanews.co...@list.deja.com
Subject: Re: Hello again and The Mark
May I introduce myself? I'm Alan McIntosh, aged 63, live near Cambridge
in England, attend an Anglican church although I'm not an Anglican, and
do a fair bit of preaching (also in Anglican churches!). I'm a deeply
convinced believer in the historicist approach to Bible Prophecy, and
hope to interact with your forum when I return from a preaching tour in
Tanzania in about four weeks time.
This posting intersts me. I believe observing the passover truly was a
mark of commitment to God when practised in OT times. Therefore our
observation of communion is a similar New Covenant mark.
The Catholic equivalent of communion is the blasphemous Mass. Observing
this was a visible mark of commitment to the papacy throughout the
middle ages in Europe. Refusal to display this mark (by attending Mass)
was the usual reason that heretics were burnt at the stake at the
instigation of the Inquisition.
I recommend reading Graven Bread by Tim Kauffman, available fom White
Horse Publications on www.whpub.com. Very informative this precise
topic as well as Marian Apparitions.
Pastor James P.S. Templeton
I do not believe keeping the feasts and the Sabbath has anything to do with
the Mark of the Beast. It is very difficult to keep these festivals although
as a fellowship we keep Passover. Our Western culture and its Pagan holidays
make it very difficult, but I am not saying this as an excuse for not
keeping them. I also endeavour to keep the Sabbath. I have to say if our
future place in the Kingdom depends on keeping the Feasts of YAH, very few
of us will be there. We will have to keep them in the Kingdom, Isaiah
66:22-23, "For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make,
shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name
remain. And it shall come to pass, [that] from one new moon to another, and
from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me,
saith the LORD." All I can say is Praise YAH for 1 John 1:5-10, "This then
is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is
light, and in him is no darkness at all. If we say that we have fellowship
with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: But if we walk
in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another,
and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. If we say
that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we
confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us [our] sins, and to
cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we
make him a liar, and his word is not in us." If you do not agree, I
certainly will not say you are mistaken, dmy mind open to all truth, but I
am comforted to know we will all agree in the Kingdom. Your brother in YAH,
Hi Stephen. I believe that there are two "marks" we should be concerned
Pastor James P.S. Templeton
Here are the verses you quoted.
Exodus 13:7-10, "Unleavened bread shall be eaten seven days; and there shall
no leavened bread be seen with thee, neither shall there be leaven seen with
thee in all thy quarters. And thou shalt shew thy son in that day, saying,
[This is done] because of that [which] the LORD did unto me when I came
forth out of Egypt. And it shall be for a sign unto thee upon thine hand,
and for a memorial between thine eyes, that the LORD'S law may be in thy
mouth: for with a strong hand hath the LORD brought thee out of Egypt. Thou
shalt therefore keep this ordinance in his season from year to year."
I don't think this can be compared with the mark of the beast or even the
seal of the Holy Spirit. I do not think we should wear Phylacteries even
though we belong to the lost tribes of Israel. Everything in this
dispensation is written on our hearts by the Holy Spirit. See 2 Corinthians
3:3-5, "[Forasmuch as ye are] manifestly declared to be the epistle of
Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the
living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart. And
such trust have we through Christ to God-ward: Not that we are sufficient of
ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency [is] of
God."
This may interest you from Adam Clarke's Commentary.
Exodus 13:9 PP8
And it shall be for a sign unto thee upon thine hand, and for a memorial
between thine eyes, that the LORD's law may be in thy mouth: for with a
strong hand hath the LORD brought thee out of Egypt.
[And it shall be for a sign unto thee upon thine hand] This direction,
repeated and enlarged <Exo. 13:16>, gave rise to phylacteries or tepillin,
and this is one of the passages which the Jews write upon them to the
present day. The manner in which the Jews understood and kept these commands
may appear in their practice. They wrote the following four portions of the
law upon slips of parchment or vellum: "Sanctify unto me the first-born,"
see <Exo. 13:2-10>. "And it shall be, when the Lord shall bring thee into
the land," see <Exod. 13:11-16>. "Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God is one
Lord" see <Deut. 6:4-9>. "And it shall come to pass, if ye shall hearken
diligently," see <Deut. 11:13-21>. These four portions, making in all 30
verses, written as mentioned above, and covered with leather, they tied to
the forehead and to the hand or arm.
Those which were for the HEAD (the frontlets) they wrote on four slips of
parchment, and rolled up each by itself, and placed them in four
compartments, joined together in one piece of skin or leather. Those which
were designed for the hand were formed of one piece of parchment, the four
portions being written upon it in four columns, and rolled up from one end
to the other. These were all correct transcripts from the Mosaic text,
without one redundant or deficient letter, otherwise they were not lawful to
be worn. Those for the head were tied on so as to rest on the forehead.
Those for the hand or arm were usually tied on the left arm, a little above
the elbow, on the inside, that they might be near the heart according to the
command, <Deut. 6:6>: "And these words which I command thee this day shall
be in thine heart." These phylacteries formed no inconsiderable part of a
Jew's religion; they wore them as a sign of their obligation to God, and as
representing some future blessedness. Hence, they did not wear them on feast
days nor on the Sabbath, because these things were in themselves signs; but
they wore them always when they read the law, or when they prayed, and
hence, they called them tepillin, "prayer, ornaments, oratories, or
incitements to prayer." In process of time the spirit of this law was lost
in the letter, and when the word was not in their mouth, nor the law in
their heart, they had their phylacteries on their heads and on their hands.
And the Pharisees, who in our Lord's time affected extraordinary piety, made
their phylacteries very broad, that they might have many sentences written
upon them, or the ordinary portions in very large and observable letters.
It appears that the Jews wore these for three different purposes:
1. As signs or remembrancers. This was the original design, as the
institution itself sufficiently proves.
2. To procure reverence and respect in the sight of the heathen. This
reason is given in the Gemara, Berachoth, chapter 1: "Whence is it proved
that the phylacteries or tephillin are the strength of Israel? Answer: From
what is written, <Deut. 28:10>: All the people of the earth shall see that
thou art called by the name of the LORD, Yahweh (heb 3068), and they shall
be afraid of thee."
3. They used them as amulets or charms, to drive away evil spirits. This
appears from the Targum on Canticles 8:3: His left hand is under my head,
etc. "The congregation of Israel hath said, I am elect above all people,
because I bind my phylacteries on my left hand and on my head, and the
scroll is fixed to the right side of my gate, the third part of which looks
to my bed-chamber, that demons may not be permitted to injure me."
One of the original phylacteries or tepillin now lies before me; it is a
piece of fine vellum, about eighteen inches long, and an inch and quarter
broad. It is divided into four unequal compartments; the letters are very
well formed, but written with many apices, after the manner of the German
Jews. In the first compartment is written the portion taken from <Exo.
13:2-10>; in the second, <Exod. 13:11-16>; in the third, <Deut. 6:4-9>; in
the fourth; <Deut. 11:13-21>, as before related. This had originally served
for the hand or arm.
These passages seem to be chosen in vindication of the use of the
phylactery itself, as the reader may see on consulting them at large. Bind
them for a SIGN upon thy HAND; and for FRONTLETS between thy EYES; write
them upon the POSTS of thy HOUSE and upon thy GATES; all which commands the
Jews take in the most literal sense. To acquire the reputation of
extraordinary sanctity they wore the fringes of their garments of an
uncommon length. Moses had commanded them, <Num. 15:38-39>, to put fringes
to the borders of their garments, that when they looked upon even these
distinct threads they might remember, not only the law in general but also
the very minutiae or smaller parts of all the precepts, rites, and
ceremonies belonging to it. As those hypocrites (for such our Lord proves
them to be) were destitute of all the life and power of religion within,
they endeavoured to supply its place with phylacteries and fringes without.
The same principles distinguish hypocrites everywhere, and multitudes of
them may be found among those termed Christians as well as among the Jews.
It is probably to this institution relative to the phylactery that the
words, <Rev. 14:1>, allude: And I looked, and, lo, a hundred and forty-four
thousand having his Father's name written on their foreheads. "That is,"
says Mr. Ainsworth, "as a sign of the profession of God's law; for that
which in the Gospel is called his NAME, <Matt. 12:21>, in the prophets is
called his LAW, <Isa. 42:4>." So again antichrist exacts the obedience to
his precepts by a mark on men's right hands or on their foreheads, <Rev.
13:16>
(from Adam Clarke Commentary)
In article <7joqeq$mtl$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
bla...@my-deja.com wrote:
> Hello again - new address
>
> Please read Exodus 13:7-10 and let me know if you think this might be
> the first occurence of the mark.
>
> In Him,
>
> Stephen Paul
>