Queen
mull...@prodigy.net
A CRAZED stalker has twice tried to get into Buckingham Palace after claiming
he heard the Queen's voice in his head.
Paranoid schizophrenic Damitha Karawita, 28, was caught trying to scale the
walls both times. When quizzed, he insisted he had been personally summoned by
the Queen.
Although police guarding the Royals Palaces are "seriously concerned" about
the stalker they are powerless to act. One officer said: "We cannot arrest
him until he breaks the law."
Now security officers have taken the rare step of posting his picture at all
royal residences warning all staff to be on the look-out for him.
A palace insider said: "Everyone is concerned that this man is determined to
see the Queen - he's on a mission and we have been warned to be extra-
vigilant."
The notice, issued on January 5, warns that Karawita has been sectioned under
the Mental Health Act in the past but is now at liberty. It has been put up at
Buckingham, Kensington and St James's Palaces as well as Windsor, Sandringham
and Balmoral.
Despite the alarm he has caused, Karawita is free to walk the streets. His
home in Brentwood has been empty since the last attempted break-in.
But the Sunday Mirror has traced him to a hospital in East London, where he is
a voluntary patient. He is having intensive treatment for depression - but is
free to leave at any time.
Karawita has lived at several addresses in recent years. One landlord, Ronnie
Mathews, of Finchley, north London, said they often talked.
"The Royal Family figured quite highly in our conversations," he said.
Sri Lankan-born Karawita slipped into depression after failing to gain nursing
qualifications.
He studied at Anglia Polytechnic for three years but failed to complete the
course. Then he began to hear voices in his head.
One family member said: "It has been a struggle for him to remain in control
ever since."
Karawita signed on for a second nursing course at Essex University, but again
he never completed it. Soon after that he voluntarily became a psychiatric
out- patient.
"The voices were getting worse," said his relative. "At one stage he was
convinced that TV companies had put receivers in his head and he could him
them talking.
The obsession with the Queen came to a head at New Year, when he was spotted
by security cameras near the side gate of Buckingham Palace. A security
patrol sent to investigate found him trying to climb into the grounds.
Because he had no previous history of violence he was sent on his way. Just
days later he returned to the same spot - but disappeared before officers
could confront him.
Now Palace staff fear that it is only a matter of time before he tries again.
########## My thoughts......... "must kill the Queen.... Must kill the
Queen..."............ Is that what's going through his head??????
I think if I heard the queen's voice in my head..... I think I'd be a very
depressed person also....LOLLLLLLL
Val
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OR a very hypnotically programmed person. Intelligence services it has been
rumoured have used these people for years now--like the fellow who shot
Regan, and the assassins of John Lennon and Robert Kennedy. Even if they are
not the actual assassins, they certainly act as a diversion, and are patsies
afterwards. I have an extremly uncomfortable feeling about a possible
attempt on the life of another member of the royal family in the not too
distant future. There has been too much in the press just in the last few
days. Just look at this news group. The Queen's supposed remark that her
advisors think there is real risk of her being killed by a muslim extremist
is most unusual. I don't ever remember hearing a quote anything like that in
all the years the Royal Family has been under the constant threat of the IRA.
Prince Charles has been linked repeatedly in the press lately with the
execution of Charles the I. Now I hear he will attend King Hussein's
funeral--makes one wonder. I have felt all along, that if the Royal family
did decide to execute Princess Diana for treason,, and if they had to enlist
the co-operation of the CIA and possibly the Mossad as well as M15/M16 they
could in effect be "blackmailed" for life by these other agencies. If they
won't co-operate, and won't respond to veiled threats in the respected media,
I think the secretly powerful may show their real strength again. It won't
be another car accident, or plane crash--to much used of late. I can't help
but think of what the Americans refer to as the "body count" of those who
have threatened Clinton. I am going off in a bit of a tangent here, but in a
way it ties in--read in a news group (sorry can't remember which one I read
several) that although Lind Tripp has been very vilified she probably saved
both her and Monica Lewinsky's life with those tapes. The real reason she
taped was that like Ken Starr she knew about that body count, and in
particular the death of Vince Foster. I don't enjoy saying this, but I can
feel it in the wind--brace yourself for another assassination, or
assassination attempt. I am not advocating it, as a Christian, I can't and I
believe vengeance belongs to God, but remember how much was leaked in the
press about Diana being a loose cannon? The Queen Mother I read several times
told those around her in the aristocracy and at the Palace "We have a traitor
amongst us." Another thing that keeps coming up in the media is the link
with the Arab world--the threat to the Queen according to her, and even the
fact that one of the reasons Hewitt got his letters back was that they were
sent to him in the Gulf, and his lawyer argued that Arab law might apply.
I'm sure they were dying to get into court and fight that one--sure to stir
up the Arab community. Then of course there is MAF and his reward, which is
always just sitting there to be collected. They may have gotten rid of Dodi,
and Diana, but they have a very big on-going problem now with the Arab world
which just won't seem to go away.
Rach...@aol.com
I agree with your summation. I too think there's the possiblity that another
royal will leave this world in a not so natural death. The papers do seem
laden with suggestions about Charles and the queen.
My take is, Anne becomes Regent until William is 25 - 30 years old. And
granny & Chuck, well........
Thanks for your thoughts. They're very intriguing.
:),
Rachel
be...@my-dejanews.com
they may very well have set themselves up. As you say Topaz we have never
heard a remark like that from the Queen beore, and she has certainly been
under threat many times before. Maybe they are covering their tracks before
they break the law and shoot any intruders.
topa...@hotmail.com
be...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> Ironic that isn't it. That in attempting to prevent trouble with the Arabs
> they may very well have set themselves up. As you say Topaz we have never
> heard a remark like that from the Queen beore, and she has certainly been
> under threat many times before. Maybe they are covering their tracks before
> they break the law and shoot any intruders.
>
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Very interesting insight Berea. I had not thought of it quite like that.
Maybe too someone could be shot and made to look like an "intruder" after the
fact. It almost seems to me now that maybe the Queen is trying to set up a
"muslim incident" to get sympathy for the royal family. Their rascist
attitude towards MAF and their distain towards Dodi as an appropriate husband
for Diana seems out of touch when one considers that the new King of Jordan
has a British Mother, and an American step-mother. If anything this should
help Muslim- American, and Muslim-British relations. I can't help but wonder
if William or Harry will fall in love with a beautiful Muslim girl someday
and the Royal Family will have to face their horrible racism and predjudices
again. William especially seems so like his Mother I can't help but think
that he could fall for some beautiful Arabian Princess. Now wouldn't the
media have a field day with that one!!!! My hope for those boys is that they
manage to marry for all the right reasons including real love, and that they
will have happy stable marriages like their Mother dreamed and hoped for
herself and Charles. I just have the strongest feeling that the Palace has
put the inevitable and majestic judjement of God/Allah into motion and there
is no stopping it. I have said all along "God is not mocked", and He will
avenge the deaths of Diana, her unborn child, Dodi and Henri Paul. Remember
the dream Earl Spencer had? He said Diana told him after her death to put
four black swans in the lake surrounding her supposed burial site on the
island--black signifying in my opinion something sinister, and death. I also
thought 4 because 4 died that night if you include her unborn child. Now
those swans are there, a gift to the Earl from a friend who heard about it,
and they swin among the 1000 white waterlilies--white being Diana's favorite
colour of flower. Powerful symbolism of white surrounding black--the
primordial symbol of the triumph of good over evil.
iris...@my-dejanews.com
So we have William having dreams every night about his Mum and Earl having
dreams about her.
If Diana was murdered... and I believe she was... I pray she went where she
was suppose to... and didn't stay "around" to prove the truth...
Berea.. what do you think on that matter.. ??? Do you think it's possible
to "miss" your chance and stay on? and if so...... Do you get another
chance?
Thanks
be...@my-dejanews.com
the doors of paradise or hell, maybe seeing inside, and then being allowed to
be revived and in that sense having another chance to either put their lives
into order or else witness to what lies ahead.
From all I have read and personally experienced whilst active in the ocult, I
believe that spirits just floating around are 'familier' spirits and not
truly the spirit of the person themselves. They obviously know about the
persons life and communicate some things. But it inevitably leads into deeper
deception and occult practises, always drawing the person away from the truth
of the Word of God, which totally forbids such activities.
Did you know that Black Swans are only found naturally in two places here in
Australia. In Perth west Oz it is our state symbol.
mull...@prodigy.net
I agree with the spirits are not of this world or heaven.... they are evil
spirits... who as you say... know enough about a person that they can and
are used in seances... etc...
I didn't know if it was possible to "stay behind"... or not.....
Thanks for your help on that.....
What an interesting fact regarding black swans.......
What are they symbolic of?????? And wouldn't they be endangered??????
Rach...@aol.com
LONDON SUNDAY MIRROR 2/14/99
TEENAGERS TO SERVE UP
FOOD FIT FOR A QUEEN
FOUR trainee chefs are getting the perfect start for their
careers.cooking for the Queen.
They will spend a month in the kitchens at Buckingham
Palace as work experience, helping prepare state
banquets and less lavish meals for the Royal Family.
Louise Mills, Abigail Brooks and Sarah Cross, all 18,
and Paul Young, 19, are students from South Devon
College in Torquay. They will be paid £25 a week and
live in staff quarters at the Palace. "I finish my course in
the summer and this should look good on my CV," said
Louise.
Rach...@aol.com
QUEEN'S HORROR AT STAGE PLUNGE THE Queen watched in horror yesterday as more
than a dozen children fell from a make-shift stage while singing in her
honour. The teenagers plunged several feet to the floor when benches they
were standing on collapsed.
As the Queen looked anxiously on, choirmaster Clinton Jordan rushed to help.
Remarkably, all escaped injury.
Relieved Mr Jordan told the concert audience at St Martin-in-the-Fields High
School for Girls: "Life is like that sometimes. On with the show."
A Buckingham Palace spokesman said last night: said: "The Queen was pleased to
find there was no damage done and no one was hurt.
"It went on to be a happy day despite this minor problem."
The choir, which has performed at the Royal Albert Hall and St Paul's
Cathedral, impressed the Queen when she heard it last year at church.
Yesterday's invitation followed a special request for a repeat hearing and
coincided with the 300th anniversary of the school in Tulse Hill, south
London.
The accident happened as the choir sang and clapped along to the song I'm
Walking On Faith And Victory.
Earlier the Queen was given an impromptu computer lesson.
Nicola Jordan, 15, spent several minutes demonstrating her keyboard skills to
the special guest.
Nicola said: "She was very interested in it and asked some questions. I felt
like I was teaching her."
The Queen also joined woodwork, dance and English classes.
The school was originally in central London, near St Martin-in-the-Fields
church, and was opened on its present site in 1928 by the then Duchess of
York, now the Queen Mother.
Despite the hiccup, headteacher Lesley Morrison said: "It has been a fantastic
morning and absolutely amazing for all the staff and pupils."
Rach...@aol.com
ISSUE 1372 Friday 26 February 1999
Queen is to cut back on royal patronages
By David Graves
Her Majesty the Queen - The British Monarchy
THE Queen is reducing the number of royal patronages she holds and will
cease being patron of more than 80 bodies over the next two years.
However, Buckingham Palace denied yesterday that she had any intention of
reducing her workload. Among the organisations of which the Queen has decided
to relinquish the patronage is the Actors' Benevolent Fund, which was founded
in 1882 and looks after retired and needy members of the theatrical
profession.
A Palace spokesman declined to identify the other organisations that will lose
the Queen's patronage, although most have been informed. The monarch's formal
links with them will end either at the end of this year or next.
The Palace denied that the decision was intended to reduce discreetly the
workload of the Queen, who is 72. Her formidably long list of official
engagements would continue as before. The list of patronages the Queen holds
has been under review for the past four years by the Palace's Way Ahead think-
tank, the twice-yearly assemblies of senior members of the Royal Family and
senior courtiers.
The Palace spokesman said: "Some of the bodies the Queen has been patron of
have not been in touch for years. What has happened has been a house-keeping
exercise, nothing more than that. There is no slight intended or ulterior
motive, simply a method of tidying-up her patronages. The Queen's official
workload will continue as before. The Court and Social page of The Daily
Telegraph shows that."
Another organisation to lose its patronage is the Windsor and Slough
Chrysanthemum, Fuchsia and Pelargonium Society. Phyllis Mumford, its show
secretary, said: "The Queen has been our patron for as long as I can remember,
although she has never visited any of our shows. It is our centenary year this
year and she has allowed us to present a cup in her name at our fuchsia and
pelargonium show in July, but she cannot present it in person."
The Queen has asked the Prince of Wales to undertake a major review of the
Queen's Awards for Export, Technological and Environmental Achievement to
expand the range of successes they can honour. This follows a discussion with
Tony Blair, who is keen to give the awards a more modern appeal. The Prime
Minister has asked the Prince to place particular emphasis on encouraging
"enterprise and innovation".
topa...@hotmail.com
Scots parliament sidelines Queen
BY ALAN HAMILTON
BUCKINGHAM Palace is dismayed by the Queen's limited role for the ceremonial
opening of the Scottish parliament. Edinburgh has been riven by argument over
the extent of the Queen's participation, with some wanting her to have only a
minimal walk-on part. Now, after months of bickering, a compromise has been
reached; she will travel in the Scottish State Coach in a horse-drawn
procession from the Palace of Holyroodhouse up the City's Royal Mile, but her
part in the opening ceremony is expected to be a few formal words. The main
event will be a "people's procession".
Traditionalists want her to wear the robes of the Order of the Thistle,
Scotland's equivalent of the Garter, but that has yet to be decided. Many in
Scotland were offended when, in 1953, she made her first official visit there
after the Coronation in ordinary day clothes and carrying a handbag. Nor has
it been agreed what ceremonial role will be given to the country's Crown
Jewels - which some want to be carried at the end of the procession from
Holyroodhouse.
Palace officials are considering a greater role for the Princess Royal,
already the Royal Family's most regular visitor to Scotland with a heavy
annual programme of public engagements. But the Palace yesterday dismissed as
"wholly wrong" a report that she would establish a permanent office at
Holyroodhouse. Sources also rejected a suggestion that the Queen would
appoint an additonal Private Secretary for Scotland.
"The Royal Family does not take Scotland - or for that matter Wales - for
granted," a Palace source said yesterday. "Scotland and Wales are important
domestic issues and we will be looking closely at how the Union develops."
Rach...@aol.com
ONE IS AN ACTOR MA'AM
THE QUEEN confused Sir Nigel Hawthorne with his character from Yes Minister
when she knighted him, it was revealed last night. Her Majesty did not realise
civil servant Sir Humphrey Appleby was make believe.
Sir Nigel, 70, said the Queen also looked confused whenever she met him at
theatres.
He recalled: "She kept saying 'What are you doing here?' And I'd say 'I work
here,' and she'd say 'You do?' She'd got it locked into her mind that I was
Sir Humphrey and couldn't understand what I was doing in these buildings."
Yes Minister won ratings of over 20 million in the 1980s and made Sir Nigel a
household name.
topa...@hotmail.com
is becoming senile or has the beginnings of Altzeimer's Disease ? I don't
believe it for a minute. Wouldn't this be a convenient reason to "excuse"
her if she were charged with murdering Diana ? Or.....is some kind of Royal
Coup D'Etat taking place ? I think Charles wants the throne so badly he is
capeable of leaking anything to the press. First Diana was a prositute and
now this. It seems to me the Queen may be taking a firm stand with Charles
about Camilla-- that she is just not acceptable as a royal consort, and that
he cannot be King and have Camilla too, so he is retaliating through
"friends" who leak things to the press. Just some thoughts. I can't wait to
see everyone else's take on this !!!! LOL Topaz
mull...@prodigy.net
Or in actuality is completely out of touch with REALITY!!
Her own world!!!!
Val
herodo...@hotmail.com
campaign. No, I don't think HM is in any way mentally impaired ... but
again, look how the considered spreading of a story seeds in the minds of the
people the idea that 'perhaps ma'am has done enough, she's never put a foot
wrong, how awful if she is getting a bit soggy now ... time for her to
retire.'
I've said it before, and I will say it again - the first objective of Charles
was the elimination of his ex-wife, so he could once again be the center of
attention, second will be getting his mother out of the way.
There is no way anyone will ever convince me that Charles is willing to wait
until age 70, perhaps, 80, to be king. And the men who surround him, the
'gray' men, I think, are not interested in waiting another 20-30 years.
Time is against Charles - in 20 years William will be 36-37, in the prime of
his life like his mother was at her death, and Charles will be ... doddering,
the effects of years of physical mishaps compounded by a genetic background
that suffice it to say does not age well. Already Charles looks many years
older than he is, and then there is CPB. Time has not been good to that
woman, to put it mildly.
-Maxie
In article <7dheqp$ue5$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
topa...@hotmail.com wrote:
> Well this seems rather bizarre. Is someone trying to make us think the Queen
> is becoming senile or has the beginnings of Altzeimer's Disease ? I don't
> believe it for a minute. Wouldn't this be a convenient reason to "excuse"
> her if she were charged with murdering Diana ? Or.....is some kind of
Royal
> Coup D'Etat taking place ? I think Charles wants the throne so badly he is
> capeable of leaking anything to the press. First Diana was a prositute and
> now this. It seems to me the Queen may be taking a firm stand with Charles
> about Camilla-- that she is just not acceptable as a royal consort, and that
> he cannot be King and have Camilla too, so he is retaliating through
> "friends" who leak things to the press. Just some thoughts. I can't wait to
> see everyone else's take on this !!!! LOL Topaz
>
mull...@prodigy.net
> that suffice it to say does not age well. Already Charles looks many years
> older than he is, and then there is CPB. Time has not been good to that
> woman, to put it mildly.
>
> -Maxie
>
>
Maxie, That was putting it WAYYYYYYYY Mildly....LOLLLLL
She looks very old and unattractive.. and I agree about Charles. He looks
in his mid 50's instead of just turning 50. Maybe he should think of some
plastic surgery and hair plugs... ahhhh and pinning his ears back... and
let's see. spreading those eyes apart.... rhinoplasty.....
Oh well.. just redo the lad and get it over with...
LOL
Val
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QUEEN TO RENT TRAIN
BUCKINGHAM Palace plans to rent out the Royal Train to recoup some of its
£1.5million a year running costs.
A Palace spokesman said: "The options are to allow other Government
departments, public bodies and appropriate organisations to use the train
when it is in the national interest."
Deputy Prime Minister John Prescott will have to approve applications.
His spokesman said: "The principle is already there because the Royal Yacht
has been hired out for charities."
The train was used just 19 times last year including for a trip by leaders of
the G8 nations during a Birmingham summit.
Rach...@aol.com
NO CEREMONIAL DRESS FOR QUEEN AT SCOTTISH PARLIAMENT ...
OPENING =
By Joe Quinn and Neil Rafferty, PA News
The Queen will not wear full ceremonial dress but will ride in an open
carriage through the streets of Edinburgh when she opens the Scottish
Parliament, it was disclosed today.
The Sovereign will be joined by the Duke of Edinburgh and the Prince of Wales
at the ceremony to mark the first Scottish Parliament for 300 years.
Details of what the Queen will be wearing on the July 1 event in Edinburgh
are not being disclosed in advance but officials said she would not be
wearing full ceremonial robes.
"MSPs will wear ordinary day dress. Neither the presiding officer nor anyone
else will wear robes," said officials.
"The Queen will dress in a manner appropriate to a dignified, historic but
modern occasion."
The four main elements of the ceremony will be:
A procession of Parliamentarians and Scottish civic leaders from Parliament
House, scene of the last meeting of the pre-Union parliament in 1707, to the
Church of Scotland Assembly Hall, the temporary site of the new Parliament
A procession by the Queen and other members of the Royal Family, in an open
carriage and accompanied by 16 troopers of the Household Cavalry, from
Holyrood Palace to the Assembly Hall
A ceremony in the Assembly Hall, before 129 parliamentarians and 500 guests,
which will include an opening speech by the Queen and which will incorporate
ancient and modern music and readings
A parade of youngsters from throughout Scotland from the Lawnmarket past a
royal dais on The Mound to Princes Street Gardens.
The new Parliament itself will finalise the details when it meets for the
first time shortly after the May 6 election, including whether the national
anthem will be played.
Scottish Devolution Minister Henry McLeish said the programme created a
ceremony both dignified and modern and with "a proper sense of occasion", and
which would appeal to all ages.
"It will be a Parliament equipped and designed to meet the challenges of the
21st century," said Mr McLeish.
"It is therefore right that the opening ceremony will blend both modern and
traditional elements."
During the ceremony the Queen will present a specially commissioned mace, to
be placed at a focal point in the debating chamber during sittings as a
symbol of the Parliament's authority.
Ten Scottish silversmiths have been invited to submit designs, and the
Scottish Office has set a budget of £25,000 for the mace.
No figure was given for the overall cost of the opening, although £250,000 is
being paid to Unique Events for their part in arranging other events to
celebrate the opening.
Despite earlier speculation of differences between the role of the military,
it was confirmed today that there will be an RAF fly-past but details of this
have yet to be finalised.
Officials said what the Queen would wear was never disclosed ahead of an
occasion, but went on: "The Queen isn't going to be in a robe. But she will
be wearing what would be appropriate to a dignified, historic and modern
occasion."
Unlike the state opening of the Westminster Parliament, where the Queen's
Speech is written by the Prime Minister, the Queen will reform the opening
ceremony but will not deliver detail of the Government's legislative
programme.
The Scottish National Party welcomed the opening ceremony arrangements and
said they were relaxed with the idea of the Queen not wearing ceremonial
robes.
Constitutional Affairs spokesman George Reid said it would have been wrong
for her to be wearing robes while surrounded by men in suits - just as it was
in 1953 in Edinburgh, when the Queen wore day dress while all around her were
in ceremonial gear.
He welcomed the decision for the Scottish Crown to be brought to the assembly
hall for the event, and said he accepted the argument that the Scottish Sword
of State would not be there as it was too fragile to be moved.
"The key fact is that the Parliament belongs to the people, not the
politicians, and it seems to me that what has been devised is an event of
quiet Scottish dignity, a Scandinavian type day," he said.
But former Tory MP for Ayr and Holyrood candidate Phil Gallie said he was
surprised no formal decision had been made over the playing of the National
Anthem.
And he said that the Queen should wear full ceremonial dress, adding:
"Bearing in mind that this is a historic occasion I would suggest that the
Queen should wear the full regalia of the monarchy.
"She should certainly wear the trappings that go with Scotland's traditional
heritage."
One of Scotland's most prominent aristocrats declined to be drawn into
controversy over the Queen not wearing ceremonial robes.
The Duke of Hamilton, hereditary keeper of the Palace of Holyrood House - a
role his ancestors have fulfilled since 1640 - said: "The last thing the
Queen needs is advice from someone like me on how to dress."
herodo...@hotmail.com
in 1953 dressed in ordinary clothes, and why she is not wearing ceremonial
robes this year: she is an imposter to the throne of Scotland (as well as
England) and she knows it, and the Scots know it. They do not recognize her
line in descent from the Stuarts, and that is why she rather quietly a year
ago sent the Stone of Scone back to Scotland.
Why wear ceremonial robes, if you know and your hosts know you have not the
right to wear them in Scotland?
Now, what I wonder is this - who in the Scottish Parliament has/had the power
to arrange for the opening on July 1 - the birthdate of someone who *did* have
the right by bloodline to wear those robes?
> The Scottish National Party welcomed the opening ceremony arrangements and
> said they were relaxed with the idea of the Queen not wearing ceremonial
> robes.
>
> Constitutional Affairs spokesman George Reid said it would have been wrong
> for her to be wearing robes while surrounded by men in suits - just as it was
> in 1953 in Edinburgh, when the Queen wore day dress while all around her were
> in ceremonial gear.
Note irony here - they are trying to cover up the Queen's faux pas of 1953 but
asserting that the present arrangement would be more in keeping with the dress
of the day.
> He welcomed the decision for the Scottish Crown to be brought to the assembly
> hall for the event, and said he accepted the argument that the Scottish Sword
> of State would not be there as it was too fragile to be moved.
Yes, but will she wear the Scottish Crown? If she is as she claims to be -
Queen of a United Kingdom - then it is her right.
> "The key fact is that the Parliament belongs to the people, not the
> politicians, and it seems to me that what has been devised is an event of
> quiet Scottish dignity, a Scandinavian type day," he said.
>
> But former Tory MP for Ayr and Holyrood candidate Phil Gallie said he was
> surprised no formal decision had been made over the playing of the National
> Anthem.
>
> And he said that the Queen should wear full ceremonial dress, adding:
> "Bearing in mind that this is a historic occasion I would suggest that the
> Queen should wear the full regalia of the monarchy.
>
> "She should certainly wear the trappings that go with Scotland's traditional
> heritage."
Yes, but if everyone knows that she hasn't the right to the crown, much less
the clothes, what point would there be in putting them on? What isn't being
said here must have been said to her behind the scenes - the Scottish lairds
must have already made it clear that they would not allow her to wear the
crown and robes of a sovereign of Scotland, because she is *not* by
bloodright.
> One of Scotland's most prominent aristocrats declined to be drawn into
> controversy over the Queen not wearing ceremonial robes.
>
> The Duke of Hamilton, hereditary keeper of the Palace of Holyrood House - a
> role his ancestors have fulfilled since 1640 - said: "The last thing the
> Queen needs is advice from someone like me on how to dress."
Well, nice job of skirting the issue, Duke - but it would be for you to advise
the Queen on what she should wear, and well you know it. Clearly the only
reason for you to avoid the question now is because no one wants to admit
publicly what I have written above - the Scots do not accept her as sovereign
of their nation. And she has admitted it herself - in sending the Stone of
Scone back to Scotland.
For constitutionalists & monarchists, what this means is that if HM were to
die today, and Charles were to be crowned, he would not be crowned while
sitting over the Stone, and therefore would not be "King of Scotland." He
might continue the charade his mother performs, but the 'United Kingdom'
would be over in fact, if not just in ceremony.
Maxie
Rach...@aol.com
herodo...@hotmail.com wrote:
> I have a simple theory as to why the Queen went to her 1st ceremony as Queen
> in 1953 dressed in ordinary clothes, and why she is not wearing ceremonial
> robes this year: she is an imposter to the throne of Scotland (as well as
> England) and she knows it, and the Scots know it. They do not recognize her
> line in descent from the Stuarts, and that is why she rather quietly a year
> ago sent the Stone of Scone back to Scotland.
>
> Why wear ceremonial robes, if you know and your hosts know you have not the
> right to wear them in Scotland?
>
> Now, what I wonder is this - who in the Scottish Parliament has/had the power
> to arrange for the opening on July 1 - the birthdate of someone who *did* have
> the right by bloodline to wear those robes?
>
> > said they were relaxed with the idea of the Queen not wearing ceremonial
> > robes.
> >
> > Constitutional Affairs spokesman George Reid said it would have been wrong
> > for her to be wearing robes while surrounded by men in suits - just as it
was
> > in 1953 in Edinburgh, when the Queen wore day dress while all around her
were
> > in ceremonial gear.
>
> asserting that the present arrangement would be more in keeping with the dress
> of the day.
>
assembly
> > hall for the event, and said he accepted the argument that the Scottish
Sword
> > of State would not be there as it was too fragile to be moved.
>
> Queen of a United Kingdom - then it is her right.
>
> > politicians, and it seems to me that what has been devised is an event of
> > quiet Scottish dignity, a Scandinavian type day," he said.
> >
> > But former Tory MP for Ayr and Holyrood candidate Phil Gallie said he was
> > surprised no formal decision had been made over the playing of the National
> > Anthem.
> >
> > And he said that the Queen should wear full ceremonial dress, adding:
> > "Bearing in mind that this is a historic occasion I would suggest that the
> > Queen should wear the full regalia of the monarchy.
> >
> > "She should certainly wear the trappings that go with Scotland's traditional
> > heritage."
>
> the clothes, what point would there be in putting them on? What isn't being
> said here must have been said to her behind the scenes - the Scottish lairds
> must have already made it clear that they would not allow her to wear the
> crown and robes of a sovereign of Scotland, because she is *not* by
> bloodright.
>
> > controversy over the Queen not wearing ceremonial robes.
> >
> > The Duke of Hamilton, hereditary keeper of the Palace of Holyrood House - a
> > role his ancestors have fulfilled since 1640 - said: "The last thing the
> > Queen needs is advice from someone like me on how to dress."
>
> the Queen on what she should wear, and well you know it. Clearly the only
> reason for you to avoid the question now is because no one wants to admit
> publicly what I have written above - the Scots do not accept her as sovereign
> of their nation. And she has admitted it herself - in sending the Stone of
> Scone back to Scotland.
>
> For constitutionalists & monarchists, what this means is that if HM were to
> die today, and Charles were to be crowned, he would not be crowned while
> sitting over the Stone, and therefore would not be "King of Scotland."
He
> might continue the charade his mother performs, but the 'United Kingdom'
> would be over in fact, if not just in ceremony.
>
> Maxie
>
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Incredible post! Great analysis of reality. You really should send it to
Janvrin, the queen's new boy after Fellowes, and let them know they're not
fooling anyone. Espceially what you cite about July 1 and Diana's link to The
Stuarts. That part is eerie. Thanks again for setting us straight.
Rachel
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QUEEN PLUGS INTO PORN TV TO WATCH THE RACES THE Queen has had a satellite TV
channel notorious for showing hardcore porn installed at the Palace, so she
doesn't miss the horseracing in France. She decided to act after complaining
to close friend and fellow horseracing fanatic Lord Weinstock about the lack
of coverage of French meetings on British TV.
The former GEC chairman suggested she install Canal Plus, which is known for
its top sports coverage. But the channel is also notorious in France for
broadcasting a hard-core porn film once a month and is not licensed in the UK.
Those able to pick up the channel's scrambled signals to other countries
across Europe with their satellite dishes can order decoders direct from the
Paris- based company.
The channel mainly concentrates on new films and sport.
The Queen currently has 32 race horses with four trainers - Ian Balding, Roger
Charlton, Sir Michael Stoute and Richard Hannon.
She inherited her love of racing from the Queen Mother, a racehorse owner for
more than 50 years.
Some of the Queen's greatest successes have taken place on French courses.
But last year she slipped to 43rd place in the owners'' league table with
Ł97,550 in total prize money from 12 wins and 12 places.
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BA FLYING FLAG FOR THE QUEEN
By DON MACKAY
The Queen flew the flag last night after British Airways re-painted her jet
with a a Union Jack design.
The airline spent about £75,000 putting the nation's emblem on the tail fin of
the Boeing 767 taking the Queen on her first Royal visit to Korea.
But BA denied the change was caused by controversy over their "world design"
logos.
The symbolic red-white-and-blue design - titled Chatham Dockyard - is normally
only on the airline's Concorde fleet but the Queen's airliner is the first of
the sub-sonic jets to be painted over.
BA spokesman Jamie Bowden said: "We had always intended to use this particular
image on sub-sonic air craft."
"We have kept Buckingham Palace informed on this particular royal flight and
they were advised beforehand what image it was going to be. But it certainly
wasn't done under any pressure from the Palace or from anyone else."
The Queen, acommpanied by Prince Philip, had been invited to South Korea by
President Kim Dae-jung after his State visit to the UKlast April.
During the visit the royal couple will pay tribute to the victims of the
Korean War - and celebrate the Queen's 73rd birthday on Wednesday.
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HAT'S MUCH MORE LIKE IT MA'AM THE Queen smiled in the sunshine yesterday -
under a natty new straw hat. An upturned brim marked a cheery change from her
usual style. And even though the modern beige titfer was two sizes too big -
so as not to ruffle her hair - its snappy look matched her upbeat mood as she
enjoyed a colourful welcome to South Korea.
By JANE KERR, Royal Reporter
In the capital Seoul she and Prince Philip were greeted with a fanfare, a 21-
gun salute and a royal guard of actors in bright uniforms.
But a sombre journey took the couple to the National Cemetery to pay homage to
the dead of the Korean war.
The fighting in the early 1950s claimed the lives of 793 Britons. Another
2,878 were wounded or declared missing.
After a historic meeting with President Kim Dae-jung, the Queen and Philip
went to a school.
There children demonstrated Korea's martial art tae kwon do by breaking tiles
with their bare feet. The Queen, who will be 73 tomorrow, complained
of "muggy'' heat as temperatures touched the high 70s.
But, in a fashionable pale blue two-piece suit, she kept her sunny beam.
- BRITISH Airways hinted yesterday that more of its planes could sport Union
Jack colours after the Queen flew in a Boeing 767 with a red, white and blue
tailfin.
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MY HUZZZBAND AND I
THE Duke of Edinburgh nods off - half way through a keynote speech by his wife
at an official state banquet.
As astonished fellow guests looked on, he began rubbing his eyes in a struggle
to stay awake.
Then his head slowly began to drop and his eyes closed as he made a brief but
embarrassing visit to the Land of Nod.
Prince Philip was sitting next to South Korean president Kim Dae-jung at the
top table when he drifted off during an unusually long speech by the Queen at
Seoul's presidential Blue House.
The jet-lagged Duke, 77, had managed to keep awake during a 10-minute
welcoming address from President Kim - who said he was especially pleased to
see the royal couple "in such excellent health".
But the Queen's 20-minute speech, which ranged from the Korean war to the
country's economy, was one too many.
At one stage - without glancing at her husband - the Queen assured the
president of "the "undivided attention of millions of my fellow countrymen"
during the 2002 soccer World Cup to be staged in Korea and Japan.
It had been a long and tiring day for the Duke following an 11-hour, 40-minute
overnight flight on Sunday.
His full day of engagements yesterday included visits to a design centre,
electronics factory, a research centre and a polytechnic - all in sweltering
heat. He had also delivered his own speech at a lunch for top British and
Korean industrialists before hitting the road again to see the construction
sites of the 2002 World Cup Stadium.
And the gruelling timetable clearly took its toll.
The Duke, who will be 78 in June, has already handed over some of his
traditional commitments to his children, notably Princess Anne and Prince
Edward.
And an increasing number of high-profile royal duties are likely to be
gradually passed on to Prince Charles.
But the Queen - who is 73 tomorrow - continues to belie her age by the number
of official engagements she carries out and by her remarkably fit appearance.
Yesterday she was given a pop-style welcome as Koreans flocked to see her.
Excited women students cheered, screamed, giggled and surged across security
cordons as the Queen visited Ewha Women's University in Seoul. And thousands
more packed a narrow shopping street when she went on a walkabout in the
capital.
The rapturous greeting even eclipsed last year's official visit by President
Bill Clinton. In the university cafeteria Byun Young-Joo, a graduate film
director, told the Queen: "We have just been seeing all the films about you,
including your life story."
She smiled: "I'm afraid that's rather a long story.""
But her banquet speech was in more serious vein.
She reminisced about the reign of her father George VI, who was King when the
Korean War started, and the 1,078 British and other Commonwealth troops killed
in the conflict.
But as she moved on to the challenges of global communications, Prince Philip
was switching off.
He perked up after the speeches with a starter of fresh ginseng - renowned for
its energy-giving properties - which was served with cucumber and mustard
sauce.
The salad was followed by pine-nut porridge, steamed sea bream, beef and
vegetable "Shin-Sul-Ro"casserole, beef ribs and fresh vegetables, steamed rice
and beef soup.
Mercifully for the corgi-loving Queen, the popular Korean dish of dog was not
on the menu.
GUARD'S SAFE-TEA TEST
A SECRET agent helped himself to a sip of the Queen's tea yesterday - in the
line of duty.
Moments before Her Majesty sat down for afternoon refreshments the security
man was in action, sampling the brew in the VIP teapot.
Then her astonished entourage watched him search the silver sugar bowl.
Earlier the agent - equipped with radio earpiece and mini- microphone up his
sleeve - seemed determined to oversee the making of the Queen's tea in the
kitchens of Seoul's Ewha Women's University.
Finally he decided she could safely have a cuppa, and she joined students in
the cafeteria. Security has been heavy throughout the visit to South Korea.
The country's First Lady - wife of President Park Chung-hee - died in a
botched assassination attempt on the former strongman in 1975.
A TASTER for a British monarch's dishes was probably last used by Elizabeth I,
who was convinced her food was being poisoned.
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> A TASTER for a British monarch's dishes was probably last used by Elizabeth I,
> who was convinced her food was being poisoned.
>
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I guess after one is successful in killing another and realize it was pretty
easy to do without much guilt.... AND that they are going to get away with
it... I guess I'd be a little paranoid myself..... If that doesn't say
something....
Val
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since they are undoubtedly getting impatient to have their hands on power.
Consider this - if the Queen lives as long as her mother, that means when she
is 98, Charles will be 75! Does anyone really think he is content to wait
another 25 years for the throne? Or that the men in his circle, some of them
already in their 60's, will wait that long?
And what of William? When Charles is 75 and nodding off during speeches,
William will be a vigorous and vital 42, in the prime of his life and ready to
rule.
Maxie
In article <7fklki$1sr$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
iris...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
>
> > A TASTER for a British monarch's dishes was probably last used by Elizabeth
I,
> > who was convinced her food was being poisoned.
> >
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>
> I guess after one is successful in killing another and realize it was pretty
> easy to do without much guilt.... AND that they are going to get away with
> it... I guess I'd be a little paranoid myself..... If that doesn't say
> something....
>
> Val
>
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SUBTLE SMILE GRACES QUEEN'S NEW PORTRAIT
By Jeanette Pearson, PA News
A new portrait of the Queen got the seal of approval from art lovers today
after it was officially unveiled at an exhibition launch.
The portrait depicts the Queen with a hint of a smile as he gazes towards a
window dressed in robes for the state opening of Parliament.
The Royal Hospital Chelsea commissioned the painting by Andrew Sesting which
will hang alongside other state portraits in the hospital's large collection.
Lord Archer unveiled the 6ft high work, which also features two Chelsea
pensioners, at the opening of the annual Royal Society of Portrait Painters
Exhibition at The Mall Galleries, central London.
Mr Sesting, who spent nine months working on the portrait, said the Queen was
very skilful at keeping an alert expression.
He said: "She is enormously helpful and co-operative. She's very skilful at
keeping an alert expression on her face which is very helpful and I did give
her a hint of a smile."
Mr Sesting, a former captain in the Rifle Brigade, said the Queen has not
commented on his work. He said: "I do not think she comments on these things,
I don't think she gets involved which I think is quite right."
Mr Sesting is a former head of the English picture department at Sotherbys and
took up full time painting in 1981. Lord Archer commented: "I think it is
outstanding, it's a very good picture."
The exhibition also features the first portrait of Ffion Jenkins, wife of the
Conservative leader William Hague. Miss Jenkins is apparently delighted with
the pastel by Tom Coates, President of the Pastel Society and is expected to
attend the exhibition later today to see the final piece.
The picture was presented to her as a gesture of thanks for recently opening
the Pastel Society's annual exhibition.
The winners of three major prizes were also announced today, including a new
award for portrait drawing sponsored by the Prince of Wales.
The Ł2,000 Prince of Wales Award for Portrait drawing was won by Nick
Cochrane, from London, for his work entitled Julian.
James Lloyd, 27, from Lytham St Anne's, Lancashire, scooped the Ł3,000 Carroll
Foundation Young Portrait Painters Award for his work Maroon Bentley and John
Ward won the Ł5,000 Ondaatja Prize for Portraiture.
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QUEEN JOINS COUNCIL OF EUROPE CELEBRATIONS
By Peter Archer, Court Correspondent, PA News
The Queen tonight joined in celebrations to mark the 50th anniversary of the
Council of Europe.
She was greeted, at a reception in St James's Palace, by Foreign Secretary
Robin Cook and his wife Gaynor.
Other VIPs present included Lord Chancellor Lord Irvine, and government
ministers and representatives from the Council's 41 member states.
The Council of Europe, established in London on May 5, 1949, is an
international organisation based in the French city of Strasbourg.
Its main role is to strengthen democracy, human rights and the rule of law
throughout its member states.
The Council acts as a forum for examining a range of social problems,
including terrorism, drug trafficking, international crime, social exclusion,
intolerance, the integration of migrants, and bioethical issues.
Set up by 10 countries in the wake of the Second World War, for the first 40
years of its existence the Council remained a western European institution.
Since 1989, it has become the main political focus for co-operation with the
former communist countries of central and eastern Europe.
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Wednesday, May 5, 1999 Published at 17:07 GMT 18:07 UK
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Mixed reviews for Queen's portrait
The portrait shows the Queen wearing formal robes and a subtle smile
A new portrait of the Queen has been unveiled at an exhibition in London, to a
mixed reception from art critics.
The portrait depicts a smiling Queen gazing towards a window dressed in robes
for the state opening of Parliament.
One critic said she looked like a column
The painting, which also features two Chelsea pensioners, was commissioned by
the Royal Hospital Chelsea from artist Andrew Festing.
Although the Queen has not commented on the new painting, it is believed to
have been given a better reception in the royal household than the previous
portrait, a 1996 work by painter Anthony Williams.
The Queen was understood to have taken an instant dislike to that portrait,
which showed her with fat fingers and wrinkles.
Portrait is 'disproportionate'
The latest work has been less well received by London Evening Standard art
critic Brian Sewell, who described the Queen as looking like "the female
equivalent of the giant in Jack and the Beanstalk".
Mr Sewell said: "The trouble with Festing's portrait is that it is
disproportionate, the Queen standing like a giant column on one side, with
various trappings occupying the rest of the picture."
He said a moratorium may have to be declared on the "hackneyed" royal
portrait.
Queen 'enormously helpful'
The new painting will hang alongside other state portraits in the Chelsea
hospital's large collection.
Lord Archer unveiled the 6ft high work at the opening of the annual Royal
Society of Portrait Painters Exhibition at The Mall Galleries, central London.
Queen hated her "sausage fingers" in 1996 painting
Mr Festing, who spent nine months working on the portrait, said the Queen had
been easy to work with.
He said: "She is enormously helpful and co-operative. She's very skilful at
keeping an alert expression on her face, which is very helpful, and I did give
her a hint of a smile."
Mr Festing, a former captain in the Rifle Brigade, said the Queen has not
commented on his work.
He said: "I do not think she comments on these things, I don't think she gets
involved which I think is quite right."
Prize winners announced
The artist is a former head of the English picture department at Sotherbys and
took up full-time painting in 1981.
Lord Archer commented: "I think it is outstanding, it's a very good picture."
The exhibition also features the first portrait of Ffion Jenkins, wife of the
Conservative leader William Hague, by Tom Coates, president of the Pastel
Society.
The winners of three major prizes were also announced today, including a new
award for portrait drawing, sponsored by the Prince of Wales.
The £2,000 prize was won by Nick Cochrane, from London, for his work entitled
Julian.
James Lloyd, 27, from Lytham St Anne's, Lancashire, wond the £3,000 Carroll
Foundation Young Portrait Painters Award for his work Maroon Bentley and John
Ward won the £5,000 Ondaatja Prize for Portraiture.
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BY ROYAL DISAPPOINTMENT
BUCKINGHAM Palace may be fit for the Queen but it's a bad deal for
visitors.
As an attraction, it wins just one star in a survey by Holiday Which?,
putting it bottom of the tourist league.
The rooms feel "sterile" and visitors are told nothing about the house,
the Royal Family or even the staff, says the Consumers' Association
report.
"Little effort was made to bring the succession of state rooms to life.
You needed a guide book at £3.70 to get any understanding," it adds.
The magazine's inspectors visited 21 leading sights, grading
attractions according to value for money, facilities and presentation.
Windsor Castle fared little better. A tour of the state apartments left
inspectors cold. Again, they said, visitors would need to fork out
another £3.95 on a guide book to appreciate what they were seeing.
Even that other big royal attraction, the Tower of London, comes under
fire.
There is praise for the Beefeaters, but "something better could be done
to make the long queue for the Crown Jewels less boring". Little wonder
admissions last year dropped 64,000 to 2.55 million.
The overall message? For a really good day out, better forget the
royals and head instead for Alton Towers theme park, in Staffordshire.
No disappointments here. Britain's top draw, it pulled in 2.5 million
punters last year - up 80,000 on 1997.
And this was while overall ticket sales for the nation's major
attractions fell by £8 million in the same year.
If fun and games aren't your scene, you won't be let down by London's
Natural History Museum. Or, if you're after a stately substitute for
Buck House, Castle Howard, in Yorkshire, where Brideshead Revisited was
filmed.
Both win top marks, not least for their "friendly and knowledgeable
guides".
Another winner with Holiday Which? was Madam Tussaud's. It won four
stars, but was still criticised for being "cramped and pricey".
Which perhaps explains why the numbers visiting the waxworks waned -
down 26,000 to 2.77 million.
London Zoo, awarded three stars, is accused of "shabbiness and low-key
atmosphere".
The inspectors didn't think much of the food - that fed to humans,
presumably - or the untidy loos. They were also unimpressed by
Stonehenge, where "the combination of unimaginative presentation and
inadequate facilities does much to spoil the sense of the place".
Legoland, in Windsor, gets a lambasting, too. Fine for children, says
the report, but adults may feel hard-done-by with entrance for a family
of four costing £60.
Holiday Which? calls for a voluntary grading system for tourist
attractions.
Editor Patricia Yates said: "Organising a fun day out can mean sorting
through piles of leaflets and brochures with no clear idea of what
you're in for.
"With entrance prices as they are, the wrong choice can be costly as
well as disappointing."
A spokesman for the Palace, which is open just two months a year and
has attracted 1.5 million visitors since 1993, said: "You simply cannot
compare Buckingham Palace with theme parks like Alton Towers, or even
Stonehenge.
"The state rooms at Buckingham Palace are presented to the public
exactly as they are used by the Queen for entertaining.
"The Palace is a working building, used for affairs of state. Alton
Towers is rather different."
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OZ MP TELLS QUEEN: 'GET A PROPER JOB'
THE Queen should be retrained and get a job as a typist, according to
Australian MP Meredith Burgmann.
The newly-elected president of the Upper House of New South Wales
said: "We haven't got anything against Her Majesty, we just think she
should be put to work as a typist."
Dr Burgmann has also removed a portrait of the Queen that used to hang
in her office and replaced it with aboriginal art.
"As an MP I have to swear allegiance to the Queen every eight years,"
she said. "I don't want to have to sit and stare at her every day,
too."
But with an eye on the forthcoming vote on whether Australia should
become a republic, Burgmann added: "Hopefully that will be rectified in
November."
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YELLOW THERE, YOUR MAJESTY
By ALEXANDRA WILLIAMS
THE Queen brightened up a royal walkabout yesterday with this luminous
yellow outfit.
One onlooker said: "You almost had to squint but she did look radiant."
Her Majesty was celebrating the 750th anniversary of Oxford's
University College with its first visit by a reigning monarch since
James II in 1686.
And while the weather was overcast the queen's coat did make some reach
for their sunglasses.