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duff...@my-deja.com

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May 15, 2000, 3:00:00 AM5/15/00
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In some sources like the Oxford Companion to Chess by Whyld and Hooper
2nd edition p.126 and in other reference works , it is indicated that
Euwe won the championship of Netherland 13 times but when i counted
them i reach only 12 times:

1921 Nijmegen tournament
1924 Amsterdam tour.
1926 Utrecht tour.
1929 Amsterdam tour.
1933 Hague tour.
1938 Amsterdam tour.
1939 4 cities match with Landau
1942 Hague match with Van den Hoek
1948 Amsterdam match with Van Scheltinga
1950 Amsterdam tour.
1952 Enschede tour.
1955/56 Hague match with Donner

So what is the other championship that he won ?


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May 16, 2000, 3:00:00 AM5/16/00
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In article <8fpi9j$sbb$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
duff...@my-deja.com wrote:
> In some sources [...] it is indicated that

> Euwe won the championship of Netherland 13 times but when i counted
> them i reach only 12 times:

(I've added the numbers of the championships:)

> 1921 Nijmegen tournament (4th Dutch Championship)
> 1924 Amsterdam tour. (5th)
> 1926 Utrecht tour. (6th)
> 1929 Amsterdam tour. (7th)
> 1933 Hague tour. (8th - actually Hague-Leiden)
> 1938 Amsterdam tour. (10th)
> 1939 4 cities match with Landau (11th)
> 1942 Hague match with Van den Hoek (12th)
> 1948 Amsterdam match with Van Scheltinga (13th)
> 1950 Amsterdam tour. (15th)
> 1952 Enschede tour. (16th)
> 1955/56 Hague match with Donner (18th)

and it is 'van den Hoek' and 'van Scheltinga' --
a minor point, admittedly.

> So what is the other championship that he won ?

I can't find any other first place listed in World Chess
Champions (ed. Winter), p. 140--146, which list all (?)
tournament and match results up to 1981 (there's no mention in
the book of his death in 1981). I find two shared 2-3 places,
though, in 1919 The Hague and 1954 Amsterdam.

A miscount?

Which are the other reference works you checked? Could they
simply be using the OCC info without checking it?

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duff...@my-deja.com

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May 17, 2000, 3:00:00 AM5/17/00
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In article <8fsbam$hd$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,

The other reference works are here , some of them before the OCC.

Golombek's Encyclopedia of Chess ,page 210 ,list Euwe to
have won in 1947 but i cannot find any tournament or
match that was for the Dutch championship in that year.

In Guinness Chess the Records ,page 107 ,Ken Whyld also
list Euwe winning in 1947 in a match but he probably
copy Golombek list.

The Encyclopedia of Chess by Sunnucks also list a match
in 1947 for the Dutch championship won by Euwe page 318.

The Guinness Book of Chess Grandmasters by Hartston indicate
that Euwe was 13 times champion of his country ,page 197.

An illustrated Dictionary of Chess by Brace said "He became
Dutch champion in 1921 and won the title on each of the 12
subsequent occasions he competed" page 96.

Sure these works could not be considered all very serious
references.

In "Dictionnaire des échecs" by Le Lionnais and Maget ,
page 140 , they got it right listing the twelve years he won.

One bizarre thing from Winter's book in the number you
give for the championship , that the 13th was in 1948
and the 15th in 1950 so the 14th must be in between (1949 ?)
but i cannot find anything for that year.

So like you said probably a miscount that almost everybody
copy in their books.

Anders Thulin

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May 17, 2000, 3:00:00 AM5/17/00
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In article <8fsrpc$iu7$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
duff...@my-deja.com wrote:

> In Guinness Chess the Records ,page 107 ,Ken Whyld also
> list Euwe winning in 1947 in a match but he probably
> copy Golombek list.

It's a possibility, but ... I would doubt he did that.

> The Encyclopedia of Chess by Sunnucks also list a match
> in 1947 for the Dutch championship won by Euwe page 318.

Quick check with Dutchbase ... Dutch ch in 1947
(Amsterdam), but Dutchbase says van Scheltinga
won that one.

It could concievably be a miswritten reference to the 1942 match
against van den Hoek (2 and 7 are occasionally confused in
source references). Or is there more info given about that
match that makes that guess improbable?

> So like you said probably a miscount that almost everybody
> copy in their books.

Euwe *did* win in The Hague, 1928, but that was the Amateur
WCh ... could that have been counted for a Dutch Ch?

Can't imagine why I come to think of it ... but is anyone
carrying on Jeremy Gaige's work these days? :-)

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