Build 108

[(Mark Munz)]

Lots of new goodies. People should notice the scrolling speed
improvements relative to previous versions on the same machine.

http://dejaiix.blogspot.com/2009/05/display-speed-bonuses.html

[Howard Katz]

That faster CPU usage could be interesting--I'll give it a shot.

Trying to do a file save  from the menu (option 3) or remove file (option 4) -  still puts me right into debugger mode, and I can't continue doing anything--debugger mode keeps popping up--have to close and then restart the program to continue.

Howard

[(Mark Munz)]

I was working with a 4600 line WP in testing the scrolling and didn't
encounter problems with removing or saving the file. Is this only with
a specific file? What are you running D2 on?

Trying to figure out if the issue is related to the file or your host
OS setup?

Mark

[Howard Katz]

G4 AL Powerbook 1.5 ghz.  2 gig of memory, 250gig HD. Running Tiger right now.  This happens with any file I use.  OA-S works fine.  But choosing either of the two options I mention immediately starts the debug mode.

Howard

[Mark Munz]

Howard,

With your set of AW files, I get it to crash. However, with my default
set of files, there is no problem.

You have a lot of aw.inits that I've never heard of and many which
don't really give a clue as to what they are doing.

My best guess is that one of the inits is "tweaking" the file
management stuff and it is interfering with how Deja IIx runs.
Remember, D2 does some major patching to do some of its magic. If an
init comes and an patches over it, the results are completely unknown.

My recommendation would be:

1. Create a standard file folder. Use that to verify that the basic setup works.
2. Carefully add the inits that you need, preferably one at a time.
3. If you don't need the init for a specific reason, be wary of adding it.

One day, I may get bored and simply create an RAMWorks like
environment and let AppleWorks do all its memory management and
significantly reduce the amount of AW patching. Until that time -- my
recommendation is to be conservative with code chunks that patch AW
(inits come to mind, but there are other things that can do it as
well).

Mark

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[Howard Katz]

I keep forgetting that some of those inits are add-ons since I've been using them for so long.  :)

I'll move the inits to another location and then add themas suggested-  this should give me a clue as to which is the problem, I suspect.   I'll also see if I can remember which init does what.  :)

 I'll do that when I get a chance.

A "RamWorks" environment setup would be awesome.  :)

[Mark Munz]

> A "RamWorks" environment setup would be awesome. :)

D2 currently uses much more efficient memory management than
AppleWorks did. It might actually be some loss in performance since AW
would be moving the data around. The only benefit would be improved
compatibility with some of the 3rd party inits that patch AW's memory
management routines.

I did that with AppleWorks' SANE routines. D2 no longer patches into
SANE, relying on pure emulation to for Spreadsheet calculations.

Mark

[Steven Nelson]

I created a list of files in my AW.INITS folder, and my TIMEOUT folder.  I don't vouch for all of them working, but at least they do not cause me problems like Howard Katz has described.  

Howard, check this list against your files and perhaps isolate the ones you have that I don't use.  Use this as you base set and add in the remaining ones one at a time.  Good luck!

And thanks to Mark for more work on D2.

  --Steve

My inits and timeouts:

SteveG4:~/Library/Application Support/Deja IIx/AppleWorks snelson$ ls AW.INITS

I.DEBUG         I.UM.MAC.SETUP  I.UM.MISC2      MR.FADEIN       PIC.FILL.FAIL

I.UM.DATETIME   I.UM.MACINTOSH  I.UM.SPECIAL    MR.NARNIAKNAVES PS.ABE

I.UM.DB.AND.SS  I.UM.MATH       I.UM.STUFF      MR.RANDOMIZER   PS.GEORGE

I.UM.DEFAULTS   I.UM.MATH2      I.UM.WP1        MR.STARFIELD

I.UM.GOODIES    I.UM.MENUTOOLS  I.UM.WP2        MR.TRICKLE

I.UM.IIGS.CMDS  I.UM.MENUTOOLS2 MR.CRAZYCASE    PIC.FADEIN

SteveG4:~/Library/Application Support/Deja IIx/AppleWorks snelson$ ls TIMEOUT

TO.AFTERWORK    TO.DB.WIDTHS    TO.HELPSCREENS  TO.PM.IMAGE     TO.THESAURUS

TO.ANALYST5     TO.DBREPLACE    TO.INSTALL.DESK TO.REPORTWRITER TO.TOGGLEKEYPAD

TO.AREACODE     TO.DESK.SORTER  TO.LIBRARIAN    TO.SCREEN.BLANK TO.ULT.COMPILER

TO.ASCII        TO.DIFTODB      TO.LINESORT     TO.SCREENOUT    TO.ULT.M2M

TO.ASP.ENTER.PA TO.DIFTOSS      TO.MAC.PRINTER  TO.SCREENPRINT  TO.ULT.OPTIONS

TO.CALC.PLUS    TO.DIRECTREE    TO.MACSETUP     TO.SELECTOR     TO.UTILITIES

TO.CALCULATOR   TO.DUPLICATEZAP TO.MEASURE      TO.STATISTICS   TO.WORD.COUNT

TO.CASE.CONVERT TO.ENVELOPE.ADR TO.MOVEBLOCK    TO.STATS.MS

TO.CONFIGDBLINK TO.FILE.DOCTOR  TO.NOTE.PAD     TO.STATS.NP

TO.DB.LINK.5.0  TO.FIX.RECORDIN TO.PEEKS        TO.STOPWATCH

[Howard Katz]

Thanks, Steve.

From what I gather, it's not timeouts that are causing the problem--just the inits.  I have some written by Chris Serreau (before he disappeared with several hundred dollars I sent him to mail out the AppleWorks Gazette from France).  I suspect it's one of them, but I have to get time to sit down and take stuff out one at a time to see what's doing it. 

Howard

[Mark Munz]

Here is the list of aw inits that I have installed.

I.DEBUG
I.UM.STUFF
I.UM.DB.AND.SS
I.UM.DEFAULTS
I.UM.GOODIES
I.UM.MAC.SETUP
I.UM.MACINTOSH
I.UM.MATH
I.UM.MENUTOOLS
I.UM.MENUTOOLS2
I.UM.SPECIAL

Mark

[Howard Katz]

Ok, had a bit of time--

I tried removing all the inits one at a time--no luck.  Program still starts out going right into debug mode and then nothing works with save or remove.

If it's not the inits--the only other thing I can think of is a SuperPatch/LastPatch patch that's on my AW program itself.  But--when I go into preferences and turn off debug, it all seems to load.  It's only when I choose 3 or 4 from the main menu is when it locks up on me via debugger mode.

Anyone want a copy of my setup for testing?  :)

Howard

[Hugh Hood]

Howard,

A couple of things ...

First,

I've got (27) different Inits that I'm using with Deja IIx, and
everything has been working well.

Some are Serreau's work, but most are add-on dot command Inits from
Doug Gum and Barclay Clemesha, plus, I think, one or two from some guy
named 'Cub', whose real identity always seemed to be some national
secret. The guy (or gal) sure knew AppleWorks, though.

Here's what I've been working with:

I.CALENDAR Calendar 99 1.0 [I haven't updated this in a
while. It gives the OA-Q, OA-M monthly calendar]

I.UM.PATHNAMES PathNames 1.0

I.DEBUG Ultra Debug 2.6

I.UM.PR.TOOLS PR.Tools 1.0

I.UM.DATETIME DateTime 1.0

I.UM.SCRN.TOOLS Scrn.Tools 1.0

I.UM.DB.AND.SS DB.AND.SS 1.0

I.UM.SPECIAL Special 1.0

I.UM.DB.TOOLS DB.Tools 1.0

I.UM.STR.TOOLS Str.Tools 1.0

I.UM.DEFAULTS Defaults 1.0

I.UM.STUFF Stuff 1.0

I.UM.FILE.TOOLS File.Tools 2.1

I.UM.WP1 WordProc.1 2.0

I.UM.GOODIES Goodies 1.0

I.UM.WP2 WordProc.2 2.0

I.UM.GOODIES2 Goodies2 1.0

I.UM.IIGS.CMDS IIgs.Cmds 1.0

I.UM.MAC.SETUP Mac.Setup 1.0

I.UM.MATH Math 1.1

I.UM.MATH2 Math2 1.1

I.UM.MENUTOOLS MenuTools 1.1

I.UM.MENUTOOLS2 MenuTools2 2.0

I.UM.MENUTOOLS3 MenuTools3 1.0

I.UM.MISC.TOOLS MISC.TOOLS 2.0

I.UM.MISC2 Misc2 1.0

I.SETTNOP SetTotalNumPages 1.0


Second,

If you'll send me your physical address, I'll smail you a CD-R with
the (4) issues of _your_ AppleWorks Gazette in image form (4 images of
the 800kb disks, and one 31mb image of the whole thing) and in native
file format, the latter which would be great for use with Deja IIx.

I've been playing with converting the main 'letter' of each of the (4)
TAG issues into .pdf format, but the heavy use of mousetext in them
has slowed me down. It's just a matter of time, I'm sure.

I've already completed (for Joe Kohn) the entire NAUG on Disk (from
the AppleWorks Forum) and (for Will Nelken) the entire TimeOut
Central, so TAG is up next. Since it's your 'baby', you can choose to
sell it, or go the lost classics route, or anything in between.

BTW, how did Chris disappear? I tried to contact him myself several
times, but to no avail. You have to admit, that man _really_ knew his
AppleWorks. I'm sorry a few of your 'Benjamins' crossed the pond never
to return.

Finally, we all know that there is one other major AppleWorks resource
publication, and that it is just crying for imaging. I don't know,
though, that I'd be crazy enough to pick up that stick of dynamite
without some written permission in advance. If someone gets that
permission for me, I'll tackle it.

Hugh...

[Mark Munz]

The I.UM.nnnn are likely all dot commands and there is little reason
to think they would interfere with the core routines in AppleWorks.

The real gotchas are the ones that mess around where the memory
management magic happens, 'cause guess who else is messing around in
that area -- me! :)

> Finally, we all know that there is one other major
> AppleWorks resource publication, and that it is
> just crying for imaging. I don't know, though, that
> I'd be crazy enough to pick up that stick of
> dynamite without some written permission in
> advance. If someone gets that permission for me,
> I'll tackle it.

What major AW resource publication is that?