Build 106

[Mark Munz]

New update compensates for some file typing issues that can occur when
moving files between Apple II / Mac environments. Sometimes files are
not given the correct auxtype and some aspects of the AppleWorks
environment are dependent on them.

This can be a huge problem in the case of TimeOut apps and AW Inits.
Starting with build 106, Deja IIx now sets the correct auxtype (if not
already set) if the name starts with a "TO." or "I." to insure they
are recognized.

--
Mark Munz
unmarked software
http://www.unmarked.com/

[John Willems]

Thanks, Mark. I've just downloaded build 106 and will give it a test
ride.

John

[Howard Katz]

I can't find where I put the link for the download--thought I bookmarked it, but.....

 

If you would please?  :)

 

[Mark Munz]

The link has moved around a bit (and may so in the future as I figure
out how to place all this stuff). Best options:

1. Use the update feature in the app. If it isn't checked in the
General preferences (first option), I highly recommend it. That way
you're always notified when a new version is out.

2. Go to the blog (http://www.dejaIIx.com/) the latest link is in the
column on the right.

Mark

[Mark Munz]

Just a side note: I put out 107 which fixed a problem where if your
ProDOS pathname's volume did not match the case of the volume in
"ProDOS Volume", it would fail.

[Howard Katz]

Thanks, Mark--

 

Soon as I get a chance to get my PB set up I'll download it and give it a try.

 

(they make me use a win98 machine at the job I'm at right now.  Ah well, it's better than MS Millennium was.  :) )
 

Howard
 

[Mark Munz]

Wow.. Win98.. that's gotta be painful. Then again, I don't know of a
Windows release that ISN'T painful.

[JfSUP...@aol.com]

Mark,

Thank you for your help with the preferences settings on the new Deja IIX v106.

BTW, I have a new nickname for this guy Randy Brandt = Randy Sharp. He hasn't skipped a beat since the old days when he was immersed in AppleWorks. I had earlier reported a problem using Deja IIX with a custom startup macro Randy wrote for me many years ago. It's been working flawlessly on my IIGS's but failed on the Mac. Well, it turns out that it was MY dumb error since I hadn't copied ALL the necessary files. I asked Randy one more time if he could spot any problems and sure enough he got it first try.

Now, if anyone can help me with another request though it just may not be simple. At the moment, the only way I can copy my files from the IIGS to my Mac (OS X 10.3.9) is with a 3.5 disk to a G3 Mac from where I e-mail them to myself to download them on my iMac. What a convoluted way!

Is there anyone that can suggest a copy, drag, and paste type of solution?

FYI, I've spoken in the past to Rich Dreher of R&D who makes Compact Flash cards for the IIGS to see if he can develop some external box which connects to the IIGS and has a USB cable as well. But so far, I think it may need more than hardware and I'm not a hardware/software techie so I don't know.

Any suggestions out there, please?

Regards,
Jack Freedman

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[Howard Katz]

On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 10:59 AM, <JfSUP...@aol.com> wrote:

Now, if anyone can help me with another request though it just may not be simple. At the moment, the only way I can copy my files from the IIGS to my Mac (OS X 10.3.9) is with a 3.5 disk to a G3 Mac from where I e-mail them to myself to download them on my iMac. What a convoluted way!

Is there anyone that can suggest a copy, drag, and paste type of solution?

FYI, I've spoken in the past to Rich Dreher of R&D who makes Compact Flash cards for the IIGS to see if he can develop some external box which connects to the IIGS and has a USB cable as well. But so far, I think it may need more than hardware and I'm not a hardware/software techie so I don't know.

The only way I can think of, Jack, would be what I do.  I have an account on a commercial ISP that allows for connection right to their unix shell account.  I can use x, y, or zmodem to put AW files on to the homespace there, and then ftp them off the shell to my Mac. 

What format are you using for the 3.5" disks that you're using between the IIGS and the G3?  There ARE USB 3.5" drives you can use on a G4 or later, and I supposed you could use an HFS formatted disk to do the transfer.  (Not something I can do on my //e.  :) )

Howard

[JfSUP...@aol.com]

Howard,

Regarding your method it's not much different than sending them my way via e-mail. I'm trying to avoid all the bunch of steps. In addition, the G3 and G4 machines are not on the same floor of the building.

I have a USB drive for my G4 which reads a High Density 1.40 MB Macintosh Formatted 3.5 disk but the problem is that the Mac G4 doesn't recognize proDOS files so it asks to be formatted for the iMac in which case it automatically erases AW files stored on the disk from the older G3. I guess it won't work for both to copy stuff.

Jack

[Howard Katz]

On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 1:28 PM, <JfSUP...@aol.com> wrote:

Regarding your method it's not much different than sending them my way via e-mail. I'm trying to avoid all the bunch of steps. In addition, the G3 and G4 machines are not on the same floor of the building.

I have a USB drive for my G4 which reads a High Density 1.40 MB Macintosh Formatted 3.5 disk but the problem is that the Mac G4 doesn't recognize proDOS files so it asks to be formatted for the iMac in which case it automatically erases AW files stored on the disk from the older G3. I guess it won't work for both to copy stuff.

Can't AW files be saved on an HFS formatted disk?  I was under the impression they could.  This would allow you to format a disk in HFS on the GS, drag the AW files to that, and then just drag them off on to your G4.

Howard

[JfSUP...@aol.com]

Howard,

I think you may be pointing me to something new to me. Though I've worked with several IIGS's for many many years the only operating system I know is the old AppleWorks. I routinely transfer files between the IIGS's with 3.5 disks with no problem.

If I try to copy the same files with the 3.5 disk to my Mac G4 it simply cannot read the AW disk because it's proDOS formatted. How can I overcome this obstacle with the 3.5 disk. I don't know how to create an HFS disk and I'm not sure that if I succeeded that the same disk would be recognized and read by both machines.

I also have an external Lacie 30GB hard drive but I don't know it that would be better and then how would I save files from my IIGS 3.5 disks to the external hard drive which has no slot for disks.

Jack

[Howard Katz]

On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 2:14 PM, <JfSUP...@aol.com> wrote:

Do you have GS/OS set up on your GS?  That would give you HFS format ability.  HFS is the native format for Macintosh, and is one of the options under GS/OS.  One of the advantages was that you could have a volume set up on your GS larger than the 32 meg limit ProDOS imposes.  Drawback to that is that there's never been backup software that would touch an HFS volume, running from the GS.

I think you may be pointing me to something new to me. Though I've worked with several IIGS's for many many years the only operating system I know is the old AppleWorks. I routinely transfer files between the IIGS's with 3.5 disks with no problem.

If I try to copy the same files with the 3.5 disk to my Mac G4 it simply cannot read the AW disk because it's proDOS formatted. How can I overcome this obstacle with the 3.5 disk. I don't know how to create an HFS disk and I'm not sure that if I succeeded that the same disk would be recognized and read by both machines.

I also have an external Lacie 30GB hard drive but I don't know it that would be better and then how would I save files from my IIGS 3.5 disks to the external hard drive which has no slot for disks.

Jack

[JfSUP...@aol.com]

Howard,

I once had GS/OS software on my IIGS's but I deleted them to make more room on the hard drive for my AW files.

Again, excuse my ignorance as I'm not a computer techie, but I don't understand why a device cannot be developed which would merely act as a utility receptacle for the purpose of transporting a file from one type of machine to another. Something similar as sending an "attachment" via e-mail. I know I'm asking a foolish question.

Jack

[Howard Katz]

I'm not a tech person either, but the files have to be in a format that each can understand.  A mac can't understand ProDOS these days.  (newer macs at least.)  ProDOS doesn't know HFS.  You're asking for a device that can automatically bridge and read/write multiple formatting types in one move.

If you can, set up GS/OS again, and I'll be the HFS option will simplify things for you.  (and if I'm wrong, several around here will let us know.  :) )

[Steven Nelson]

Howard and Jack seem to have the ProDOS/HFS issues revealed for ][GS
to Mac file transfers, but I will give my summary.

Appleworks on the ][GS will only read/write ProDOS formatted disks
(floppies or harddrives).

If the ][GS is running GSOS and has the HFS FST installed, the GSOS
Finder can also read/write HFS (Standard, not Extended) disks (3.5
floppy or harddrives). The GSOS Finder can copy Appleworks files
from the ProDOS volume(s) to the HFS volume(s). (The reverse is also
true but the caveat is that the files may become GSOS Extended files,
which Appleworks can't read. That issue can be dealt with in another
thread.)

If the Mac has a USB floppy drive, the files on the HFS floppy drive
can be copied to the Mac harddrive and used in Deja||x. (or even
used directly on the USB drive).

If Deja||x doesn't recognize the file(s), true renaming
adding .awp, .adb, .asp as the file suffix to force Deja||x to use
correct file type.

I don't have a USB floppy, but I do have SCSI Zip on the ][GS and USB
Zip for the Mac. The process is the same as the floppy disk method.

If you have Peter Watson's MSDOS NDA installed on the ][GS, you can
MSDOS disks instead of HFS disks. Ugh!

From the GS, only email and floppies (or Zip) provide the easiest
transfers, since USB isn't available on the ][GS. Using a CFFA in
the GS with a HFS partition will work also with an appropriate USB
card reader on the Mac. Just remember to use HFS format and not
ProDOS format for file exchange.

--Steven Nelson

[Steven Nelson]

On Mar 9, 2009, at 2:36 PM, JfSUP...@aol.com wrote:

Howard,

I once had GS/OS software on my IIGS's but I deleted them to make more room on the hard drive for my AW files.

Again, excuse my ignorance as I'm not a computer techie, but I don't understand why a device cannot be developed which would merely act as a utility receptacle for the purpose of transporting a file from one type of machine to another. Something similar as sending an "attachment" via e-mail. I know I'm asking a foolish question.

I think the utility device you are seeking is an older "Classic" Mac with auto-inject floppy drive running System 7.0 - 7.5.5, 7.6-7.6.2, possibly 8.0-8.1.

Mac OS Systems 8.5 and 8.6 had buggy ProDOS support, and I think ProDOS support had all but degenerated into uselessness in System 9, 9.1, and 9.2 if it was even in those versions.  System(s) 7 had good ProDOS support with the HFS file systems and the Finder could easily copy files to/from ProDOS floppies.  Files could then be shared over the ethernet network with the newer OSX Macs.  The caveats are having all the correct OT (open transport)/AppleShare versions that can talk to new Macs.

AppleShare3 file server on an older Mac is also a good file transfer alternative.  The GS transfers over to AppleTalk file server, which then write HFS floppy or shares over Ethernet file service with newer Mac.

  --Steven Nelson

[Howard Katz]

Right--going from HFS to prodos, you have to use (and I'm going from memory here) a program called UnForkIt to make the file ProDOS friendly.  You can then use AW (or TimeOut depending on the version of AW you're using) to change the filetype if necessary to the proper AW one.

Even Peter's program as an NDA would still need GS/OS, so unless Jack is willing to reinstall GS/OS, even on a different drive or disk, then he's pretty much limited to what he's doing now, I think.

Howard

[kgagne]

If you want to explore a different option, you could try ADTPro, which
creates a serial connection between the Apple II and your Mac or PC
and lets you send disk images between them. (Disk images are used with
emulators, such as KEGS, AppleWin, or Sweet16.)

ADTPro is open source software, available at

http://adtpro.sourceforge.net/

The developer of ADTPro sells the cables to make the serial connection
at RetroFloppy.com.

-Ken

[Hugh Hood]

Jack,

I've had the 'pleasure' of doing the same ballet dance as you have -
attempting easily to transfer AppleWorks files between our Apple IIGS
computers and our Macs running OS X.

Pending the release of the MacFUSE prodosfs utility for OS X that will
FINALLY allow seamlessly mounting and reading and writing of ProDOS
volumes from the Mac OS X Finder (patience is a virtue, except in New
York, right Jack? <grin>), I've used the following:

1. I have a minimal GS/OS 6.0.1 on my main IIGS hard drive that I
start from ProDOS 8 (only when needed).

When the GS/OS Finder comes up, I copy the AppleWorks files to an HFS
formatted disk. I use an HFS-formatted SCSI ZIP disk, but an HFS-
formatted 1.44 MB floppy would work also, assuming you have a
SuperDrive Card and SuperDrive, or perhaps a BlueDisk and 1.44 MB
floppy drive. Your Mac would need to have an USB floppy or ZIP drive,
obviously.

After copying the files, I take this disk to the Mac and read the
files. This works very well, other than having to quit AppleWorks,
start GS/OS, copy the files, and then physically take the disk over to
the Mac.

2. My new 'favorite' method...

the painstaking details of which Ken Gagne is considering publishing
in his 'Juiced.GS' magazine, involves connecting the Apple IIGS and
Macs together serially, either via hardwire or Bluetooth, and uses a
method not completely unlike that which Ken suggested by using ADTPro,
except that it involves _no_ interaction on the part of the Mac user.
I use this method several times a day not only to transfer AppleWorks
files to our Macs for use with DejaIIx, but also to transfer Text
files for use with MicroSoft Entourage and other Mac programs. Plus,
it also transfers files from the Mac back to the Apple II, all while
staying in ProDOS.

I do use ProTERM 3.1 at either 57,600 baud or 115,200 baud, with the
Zmodem protocol, since using TimeOut Telecom from within AppleWorks
drops characters at speeds over 4,800 baud and doesn't support Ymodem
or Zmodem.

Hope this helps 'The Worlds Number One AppleWorks User'.

Truly, I believe things will improve greatly once that prodosfs for
MacFUSE is released. A real quality guy is working on that, and I am
confident that we won't be disappointed. We'll be able to save a file
from within 8-bit AppleWorks to a ProDOS-formatted floppy, ZIP disk,
or other media, pop it into the Mac, and read the file. Ah, progress!

Hugh Hood...

[Char27]

I see that Proterm 3.1 has been changed to Freeware. Did you have
this from before or did you recently aquire it as freeware? I have
been in serious need of this software for sometime and am hopefull it
gets posted somewhere (if it hasn't by now). I have a bunch of stuff
I want to transfer too and from my IIGS and using ADT is not that
convenient to use over and over. It was great for the initial images
but now that everything is running, I want a more elegant and targeted
way of transfering files.

If anyone would be willing to share a copy since it is now (yet to be
seen) freeware, I would apreciate it. Of course, it might get posted
soon. However, its been about 2.5 months now since the announcement
and 16Sector has yet to post it. :(

Thanks,

[Howard Katz]

It's freeware according to Jerry Cline, the owner of ProTerm.  Dunno where it's at.

But what does this have to do with DejaIIX?  

There's an active Apple II list anyone can subscribe to on lowendmac.com--that might be the best place to look for this.  :)

Howard

[JfSUP...@aol.com]

Hugh,

While I may have earned the title #1 AppleWorks "user" that's as far as I go since I'm not a computer techie.

Deja IIX would be a very important step up for me if I can run all my AppleWorks activities on my iMac in the same manner as I do on the IIGS. That means printing etc. and merging with other Mac applications as well as direct e-mailing AW generated files.

I'm hoping that once Deja IIX will fully emulate the IIGS that perhaps I can switch over one or more of my three IIGS's and generate new info directly through my iMacs. If I get to that point I won't have the worry of transfering files and data between the IIGS and the iMac. Once the transition works without any hitches my IIGS's may go the way of the dinosaur and wind up in a museum.

In the meantime, thanks so much for the optimistic news about transfer programs and keep us informed about any releases.

Jack Freedman

[Steven Nelson]

On Mar 14, 2009, at 11:09 PM, Hugh Hood wrote:

>
> Pending the release of the MacFUSE prodosfs utility for OS X that will
> FINALLY allow seamlessly mounting and reading and writing of ProDOS
> volumes from the Mac OS X Finder (patience is a virtue, except in New
> York, right Jack? <grin>), I've used the following:

The prodosfs MacFUSE product is called Profuse. It is currently read-
only and is downloadable on the web (google search OS X profuse) {I
can't remember what I googled, but find one that responds to profuse
and macfuse} I haven't been brave enough to try it yet. Mac OSX
users (10.4 and above) will need to install both MacFUSE and
Profuse. Both are available on the profuse web page. Look for the
webpage that explains how to use profuse. It needs the command line
in Terminal to activate it.

I now return us to the main topic, Deja||x.

--Steven Nelson

[Hugh Hood]

Steven,

Actually there are _TWO_ ProDOS file systems being developed for
MacFUSE.

As you point out, 'Profuse', by Kelvin Sherlock, is now available. In
fact, I have installed it and have used it. BTW, all of these 'add-on'
file systems first require an install of MacFUSE, which runs on OS X
10.4 and up.

Currently, as you correctly state, Sherlock's Profuse requires going
into the OS X Terminal to mount ProDOS volumes, and then these volumes
are available on a read-only basis, with a few caveats, that I won't
go into here.

Please understand that Sherlock is, without question, a very able guy,
and I imagine he will continue to add to his work. Right now, his
'Profuse' is just not up to the 'just insert the ProDOS disk (or
image) and read and write all you want' level.

The ProDOS file system for MacFUSE to which I am referring will be
called 'prodosfs', and has yet to be released. I'm afraid I'm not at
liberty to discuss who is developing it or to give many details, but
from the reports I've received, it should be extraordinarily useful to
all Apple II type guys who use Mac OS X.

I really wish I could pass on some of the details I've been given, but
I just can't. Sorry. I do know that as of 3 months ago, the project
was up to about 2,200 lines of C++ code.

Finally, for those who suspect that this discussion is way off-topic,
I submit that a read-write ProDOS FST for Mac OS X will finally allow
DejaIIx to read and write AppleWorks files on existing ProDOS-
formatted media and images, which is a _tremendous_ help to many of
us.

Hugh...