Asia: Thailand: Bangkok
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Alt.Sex.Services Thailand FAQ
A primer on what is happening in the City of Angels.
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Version 1.2 March 1995
Revision History:
Version 1.0a Posted January 24, 1995
First attempt
Version 1.1 Posted January 30, 1995
Fixed typos!
Expanded General Bangkok section
Expanded Money section
Expanded Thermae description
Expanded Nana Plaza description
Expanded Patpong description
Added subsection on escort agencies
Added subsection on Soi 33
Added subsection on discos
Added hotel listing
Added gay bar listings
Divided into three parts due to the length
Version 1.2 Posted March 1, 1995 to alt.sex.services and
alt.sex.brothels
Added info on blow job bars to Patpong
Added tips for saving money at your hotel
Added section on short time hotels
Expanded the description of bars on Soi Cowboy
Added section on how to behave (after several requests to do so)
Clarified massage parlor pricing
Added section on "lady houses"
Added information of interest to Japanese readers
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People ask, what is the deal in Bangkok, Thailand? What
services are offered and how much do they cost?
This FAQ was developed to help answer those questions, and
recognizes that probably less than 1 in 1,000 readers of this
FAQ will ever visit Thailand.
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Contents:
1 General Thailand and Bangkok Info
-- Getting around
-- AIDS
-- Money
-- Guidebook recommendation
-- Hotel list
-- How to behave [This is really important!]
2 Bangkok
-- Patpong
* Sex Shows
* Falling in love
* Blow Job Bars
-- Soi Cowboy
-- Nana Plaza
-- Soi 33 -- Famous artists!
-- Grace Hotel
-- Thermae
-- Massage
-- Discos
-- Escort agencies
-- Short time hotels
-- Lady houses
-- Japanese Clubs
-- Gay Bars Listing
3 Pattaya
4 Phuket
5 Northern provinces
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SECTION 1 -- GENERAL INFORMATION
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PART 1 -- GETTING AROUND
The grid below will help you get an idea as to where things are
located in Bangkok.
The city center is basically located at grid 4B. I have marked
it with an "X"
Sukhumvit road begins at Grid 5E and runs diagonally down to
Grid 6G. The Soi numbers increase as you move away from the
city center. Z marks the spot where Soi Cowboy is located.
Patpong is located just about at the intersection where Grid 5
C+D meet Grid 6 C+D. Look for the letter P.
The airport is way out at well beyond 1D. Look for the letter "W".
: A : B : C : D : E : F : G : H : I : J :
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3: : : : : : : : : : :
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4: : X : : : : : : : : :
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5: : : : : Z: : : : : :
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7: : : : : : : : : : :
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Traffic is as bad as everyone says. Might even be worse.
If you stay at a hotel along Sukhumvit, you can easily walk
between Soi Cowboy and Nana and the Grace Hotel. It is a bit
too far to comfortably walk from Sukhumvit to Patpong.
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PART 2 -- AIDS
AIDS is real, and if you are not smart about it, you are both
stupid and dangerous. Stupid to yourself and dangerous to others.
Please, please, please, practice safe sex.
If you go to a massage parlor, they WILL require the use of a condom.
Most of the girls who work the clubs also require them. You have to have
second thoughts about anyone who doesn't.
While on the subject, there is a great restaurant and bar
called Cabbages and Condoms. It is off Sukhumvit Soi 12. It
has a condom motif, and instead of after-dinner mints they
offer after-dinner condoms. If you've ever been slightly
embarrassed by openly discussing condoms, this place will cure
your embarrassment.
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PART 3 -- MONEY
The unit of currency is the baht. The exchange rate hasn't
changed too much in the past 20 years. You'll get between 24
and 26 baht to the dollar. Think of the baht as being worth 4
US cents. Twenty-five baht to the dollar. A five-baht note is
worth 20 cents. A 10 baht note is worth 40 cents. A 20 baht
note is worth 80 cents. A 100 baht note is worth $4 and a 500
baht note is worth $20. Don't worry about figuring out your
currency exchange to the fourth decimal point. Also keep that in
mind when fighting with a taxi driver over the fare. The
difference between a 40 baht fare and a 50 baht fare is 40
cents. Relax. Enjoy.
At virtually every bar, you will be given the opportunity to "run
a tab." Order your drink, and the waitress or bartender will
put a slip of paper in a glass, mug, cup, or something that
sits in front of you. Some places will give you an additional
drink slip for every drink, most just keep adding to the total.
If you are smart, you will periodically take a peek and see
where you stand. This can eliminate unpleasant surprises
later on. I usually look right after my first drink. Then I know
what my drinks are costing. If I buy a drink for a sweet young
lady, I check as soon as they put the slip for that drink in my
cup. Now I know how much the lady drinks are. Now mind you,
we are talking about relatively small amounts of money here.
Is a beer 30 baht or 35 baht? Is a girl's drink 45 baht or 55
baht? I have never been shocked by an outrageous drink price,
so it is not like the "B" joints in the US, where you can sip
on a $2 beer, offer a lady a drink, and end up paying $10 for
some watered-down tea that she downs in a single swallow. I
have never run into a "bottle" scam in a Bangkok bar either.
The exception to all of this can be at the sex shows upstairs
in the patpong clubs. There, check your bill after every
drink. More on that in the Patpong section.
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PART 4 -- GUIDEBOOKS
The best guidebook, in my opinion, is Bangkok Handbook, by
Michael Buckley, Moon Publications. It was first published in
January 1992, and even if you cannot find a later edition, it
is still worth buying. It has an entire chapter on nightlife,
along with maps, and doesn't offer any patently wrong
information. No, I don't make any money if you buy it!
There are other good books, Cityguide:Bangkok by Insight
comes to mind, as does Baedeker's Bangkok, but neither does as
good a job of openly discussing the true Bangkok nightlife.
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PART 5 -- HOTEL LIST
If you are disinclined to spend $10 to $20 on a guidebook, but don't
mind spending a small fortune on telephone and fax charges,
following is a list of hotels in The City of Angels that may or may
not come in handy. I've found that travel agencies are good at
identifying the $225 a night busines hotel like the Hyatt or the
Sheraton, but not so good at finding the $40 a night hotels hidden
on the back sois.
Here is a good strategy for saving some money on hotels while
in Bangkok. Go ahead and make your reservation wherever you
want. The first morninggn you are there, walk around and if
you see a hotel you like, walk in, ask to see a room, and ask
them what the rate is if you check in within an hour. You may
find them offering you a 50% discount! Don't check in, tell
them you will be right back, and go to your hotel and tell them
you are checking out. If you mention that you are getting a
killer deal somewhere else, they may offer you a discount to
stay. If they offer you a deal, you may want to stay, if not,
leave and go to the other hotel. In any event, you will have
saved some money on your lodging, which you can then use at
night!
The list was reasonably current when last updated in February,
1994 -- but things change, so don't flame me if a phone number
or hotel name has changed.
Can't find a hotel? Try adding or subtracting the words "New"
or "Royal" from the name.
The letters (GH) stand for guest house.
Hotel Phone Address or Approximate Area
Airport 566-1020 333 Chertwudthakas, Rd.,
Donmuang
Airport Bangkok 522-8921 88/117 Viphavadee, Rangsit
Amar Inn 235-7182 1450 Soi Shangri-La Hotel,
New Road
Amari Airport 566-1020/1 Near Airport
Ambassador 254-0444, 8 Soi 11, Sukhumvit Rd.
255-0444
Aquarius 286-0217 234 Soi Hatayana, Suanplu Rd.
Ariston 259-0960-71 Sukhumvit, Soi 24
Asia 215-0813-7 296 Phyathai Rd.
Asoke Place 258-3733, 4/49 Soi Asoke (21), Sukhumvit
258-3742
Baiyoke Suite 253-0362-8 Baiyoke Tower
Bangkok Centre 238-4848-57 Rama 4
Bangkok Inn 254-4834-7 Sukhumvit, Soi 11
Bangkok Palace 253-0500-25 1091/366 New Pechburi Rd.
BKK Christian (GH) 233-2206 Silom Rd.
Baron Hotel 246-0250 544 Soi Huaykwang,
Ratchadapisek Rd.
Bourbon St. 259-0329 29/4 Soi 22, Sukhumvit
Boulevard 255-2930 Sukhumvit
Business Inn 254-7981-4 155/4-5 Soi 11, Sukhumvit
255-7155-8
Carlton Inn 258-0471-3
Centaur Inn 237-1405, 488-488/1 Surawongese Rd.
234-9408 Sipraya
Central Plaza 541-1234 1695 Paholyothin,
1/2 way to airport
Century 245-1755 Near Pratunam market
China Town 266-1267-92 Chinatown??
City Inn 252-1552 Ploenchit/Phetchaburi/Siam Sq.
Classic Inn 255-3988/9 120/51-54 Rachapraprop Rd.,
Pratunam, Phatathai
Classic Place 255-4444-9
Comfort Inn 251-9250, 153/11-4 Soi 11, Sukhumvit Rd.
251-0745
Comfort Promenade 253-4116, 18 Soi 8, Sukhumvit Rd.
253-2876
Continental 278-1596-8 971/16 Phaholyothin Rd,
Near weekend market
CP Apartment 234-0991-3
Crown 258-0318-9 Sukhumvit, Soi 29
Crystal 277-8221,3 65 Soi Nathong,
Ratchadapisek Rd, Huay Kwang
Dorchester 270-0904 Pratipat, Soi Kotoey
Dusit Thani 236-0450-9 Silom/Suriwong/New Road
Embassy 279-2641-1 Sapankwai
Eve House 233-0101 18-18/1 Surawongese Rd.
Thaniya Corner
Federal 253-0175 Sukhumvit, Soi 11
First 255-0111-20 2 Petchburi Rd.
Florida 245-3221 43 Phyathai Rd, Siam square
Fortuna 251-5121-5 Sukhumvit, Soi 5
Golden Dragon 589-5148 Near airport
Golden Gate 251-5354 Sukhumvit, Soi 2
Grace 253-0671 12 Soi 3, Sukhumvit Rd.
Grand Hyatt Erawan 252-9100 Ploenchit/Phetchaburi/Siam Square
Grand Inn 253-3380, 217-8 Soi 3 Sukhumvit Rd.
254-9021-6
Hilton Int'l 253-0123 2 Wireless Rd., Nailert Park,
Ploenchit
Holiday Inn 238-4300 Silom/Suriwong/New Road
Honey 253-0645-9 Sukhumvit, Soi 19
Impala 258-8612-6 9 Soi 24, Sukhumvit Rd.
Imperial 254-0111 6 Soi Ruamrudi, Ploenchit Rd.
In Town 253-5474-5 40/6-7 Soi 3, Sukhumvit Rd.
Indra regent 251-0111, Rajprarop Rd.
252-0111
Jade Pavillion 259-4675-86
Jim's lodge 255-3100-3
Kabana Inn 233-4652, 1147/2-3 New Road, Bangrak
234-7470
Landmark 254-0404 138 Sukhumvit Rd.
Le Meridien 253-0444 135/25 Gaysorn Rd.
Liberty 280-1924 Pratipat Rd.
Madras Lodge 235-6761 92/1, 31/9-10 Silom Rd. Trok 13
Majestic Palace 281-5000 97 Rajadamnern, near UN offices
Malaysia 286-3582 Rama 4, Soi Ngam-Duplee
Mandarin 238-0230-59 Silom/Suriwong/New Road
Manhattan 255-0166, 12 Soi 15, Sukhumvit Rd.
255-0188
Manora 234-5070 412 Surawongse Rd.
Menam 289-1148-90 2074 New Road
Mermaid's Inn 211-8530, 447/2 Sathorn Tai Rd.
211-6017
Mermaid's Rest 253-5122-5 39 Soi 8, Sukhumvit Rd.
Metro 314-4741 New Petchburi, edge of BKK
Miami 253-5611 Sukhumvit, Soi 13
Middle East Sahara 252-5081, 21/22 Sukhumvit, Soi 3/1 Nana
252-8575
Mido 270-0447-8 222 Soi Santisaewee, Pradipat
Miramar 221-1711 Mahachai, at Chinatown
Monohra 271-0880-1 Suriwong Rd.
Montien 234-8060 54 Surawongse Rd.
Morakot 314-0761 New Petchburi, edge of BKK
Narai 233-3350 222 Silom Rd.
Narai Inn (GH) 258-0601 Sukhumvit, Soi 53
New Nana 252-0121 Sukhumvit, Soi 4
New Empire 234-6990 Chinatown
New Fuji 234-5364-6 299-30 Surawongese Rd.
New Peninsula 234-3910-7 Suriwong Rd.
New Trocadero 234-8920-9 Suriwong Rd.
Niagra 233-5783-4 26 Soi Silom 9, Silom Rd.
Novotel Bangkok 255-6888 Soi 6, Siam Square
Oriental 236-0400-20 Silom/Suriwong/New Road
Park 255-4301-7 Sukhumvit, Soi 7
Plaza 235-1760-79
PR Union 437-0420-38
Pradipat 278-1470-8 173/1 Pradipat Rd, Sapankwai
Prasuri (GH) 280-1428 85/1 Soi Prasuri, Dinsor Rd.,
Rajdamnern Ave.
President Inn 255-4230-5 155/14-15 Soi 11, Sukhumvit Rd.
Prince 251-3318 1537/1 New Perchburi Rd.
Princess 281-3088 Democracy Monument
PR Union Inn 439-2311-30 296/1-9 Soi 10, Issaraphap Rd,
Klongsarn
Quality Inn 253-5393 Sukhumvit, Soi 19
Quality Inn 253-7705 Sukhumvit, Soi 9
Rajah 255-0040-83 8 Soi 4, Sukhumvit Rd.
Rajah Palace 277-6331 234 Ratchadapisek Rd. Huaykwang
Rajsubhamitra (RS) 281-3644 Larn Luang, near UN
Rama Gardens 579-5400 9/9 Viphavadi-Rangsit Rd.
Ramada 234-8971-5 1169 Charoenkrung Rd.
Regent Bangkok 251-6127 155 Rajdamri Rd.
Regina 277-5581 1-9 Soonthronsiri, Ratchada-Pisek Rd.
Huay Kwang
Reno 215-0106-7 Rama I, national stadium
Rex 259-0106-15 762/1 Sukhumvit Rd, Soi 32
River City (GH) 235-1429, 11/4 New Road, Soi 24.
235-1431
River View (GH) 234-5429, 768 Soi Panurangsee, Songwad Rd.
235-8501
Rose 233-7695-7 118 Suriwongse Rd.
Royal 224-1907
Royal Asia Lodge 251-5514-6 Sukhumvit, Soi 8
Royal Garden Home 253-5458-62 63/1-4 Soi 3 Sukhumvit, Rd.
Royal Hotel 222-9111-26 2 Rajdamnoen Rd.
Royal
Orchid Sheraton 234-5599 2 Captain Bush Lane, Siphya Rd.
Royal Plaza 234-3091 Naret Rd.
Royal River 433-0300-19 Krung Thon Bridge
Ruamchit Mansion 254-0205-8 1-15 Soi 15, Sukhumvit
Ruamchit
Travelodge 252-5081, 11/1 Soi 10, Sukhumvit
251-0284
Sathorn Inn 234-4110 37 Soi Suksavithaya, Silom Rd.
Shangri-La 236-7777 89 Soi Wat Suanplu, New Road
Siam 252-5081, 1777 New Pechburi Rd, (Soi Asoke)
252-5858
Siam City 247-0130
Siam
InterContinental 253-0355-7 Ploenchit/Phetchaburi/Siam Square
Siam Orchard Inn 255-3140-3
Sri (GH) 381-1309, No. 1 Soi 38, Sukhumvit Rd.
381-1662
Silom Plaza 236-0333 320 Silom Rd.
Stella Place 251-8255-8 120/359 Rachaprarop Rd. Phayathai.
Suriwong's 233-3223-5 Suriwong Rd.
Swan 233-8444 New Road
Swiss Inn 255-4522-3
Tara 259-2909-19 Sukhumvit
Tarntawan Place 238-2620-39 119/5-10 Surawongse Rd.
Tawanna Ramada 236-0361 80 Surawongse
Thai 282-2831-3 Prachatipat Rd.
Thavorn house 278-2121 17/33 Ruamsirimitr Soi 3,
Vipavadi Rangsit Rd.
Tina Tower Inn 234-9409, 55/12-14 Soi Wat Suanplu, New Road.
235-8001
Tower Inn 237-8300-4 533 Silom Rd.
Trocadero 234-8920-9 343 Surawongse Rd.
Union Tower 314-1964-73
Victory 233-9060-9 322 Silom Rd.
Viengtai 282-8672-4 Tani Rd, near UN
Wall Street Inn 233-4164-7 37/20-24 Soi SurawongsePlaza,
Surawongse Rd.
Wattana Flat 252-9697/8 19 Soi Wattana (19) Sukhumvit
Welcome Place 234-5402-4 30 Nares Rd. Bangrak
White Orchard 226-0026
Windsor 258-0160 Sukhumvit, Soi 20
Woodlands Inn 235-6640-1 1158/5-7 Soi GPO Charoen Krung
World 314-4340 New Petchburi, edge of BKK
YMCA Collins House 287-1900, 27 South Sathorn Rd.
287-2727
YMCA Hotel 286-2329 Silom/Sathorn Rd.
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PART 6 -- HOW TO BEHAVE
It is a shame that this FAQ needs to have a section with this title,
but the fact of the matter is that a lot of people simply have no
idea how to act when they encounter a place like Bangkok.
The author of this FAQ has been visiting the Kingdom of Thailand for
25 years, and has made a lot of mistakes, and been with friends who
have made a lot of mistakes. Please, park your ego for a few
minutes and learn from the mistakes of others. Doing so will help
let Bangkok remain the wonderful place that it is.
Rule # 1. Laugh and bring toys. If you can't laugh, don't go.
Bangkok is a great place to have fun, and you have to be willing to
laugh to enjoy yourself. Be prepared to laugh with the girls and to try
and make them laugh with you. You will have a much better time if you
can do this. It may sound stupid, but if you know coin tricks,
sleight of hand, card tricks, or anything similar, practice up
before you go, and you will have the time of your life. I've seen
guys who can make a coin disappear surrounded by 15 or 20 half naked
bar girls as he made coins disappear and reappear is some very
unusual places.
My last trip, I bought some note pads that looked
like huge $100 and $500 bills. Gave them to the bar girls and the
mamasans. Lots of laughs. One of the bar owners in Soi Cowboy
taped one of the large bills directly over the cash drawer. Later
that night, when I fell in love and it came time to pay the bar
fine, the owner shook it off because I had made him laugh. If
nothing else, bring a big bag of individually wrapped candies. Toss
a handful on the stage and watch the reaction.
Rule #2. Make love, not war. Bangkok is a great place to get
blasted. The girls, the music, the girls, the beer, and the girls all
add up to a very intoxicating environment. BUT, if you are a mean
drunk, or like to fight when you get drunk, do us all a favor and
stay home. Go to Bangkok to have a great time, not to have a great
fight.
Rule #3. Don't be a cheapskate. No, you don't have to act like an oil
worker with money to blow, but keep things in perspective. Bargain
away, but don't insult a bar girl by offering her 100 baht for all
night, or by never buying a girl a drink.
Rule #4. Be nice to the girls. For the most part, these are just
simple country girls trying to make some money for their families up
country. One of the great things about the Thai women is the fact
that they are warm and friendly. They are not whores in the
American or European sense of the word, so don't treat them like
whores. Treat them like a girlfriend. Treat them with respect. They
deserve it. Don't spend half the night in the bar buying one girl
drinks and they try and take a different girl home. You have just
terribly insulted the first girl in the process. If you go in the
club and buy a drink for girl "A", and fall in love with girl "B",
leave the club for a little while and then come back and buy a drink
for girl "B". This way girl "A" saves "face" and you avoid a scene
(not a scene in front of you, but a scene in the back room betweek
the girls and the mamasan).
I was in a small bar early one evening and there was a terrible
commotion in the back room. Seems a guy had come in every night for
a week and bought drinks and paid the barfine for this one girl.
Then, out of the blue, he walks in and pays for a different girl to
accompany him to the beach for a week. The first girl was trying to
slash her wrists, not out of love, but out of shame because all of
the other girls thought she must have treated the guy "number 10" to
make him choose someone else like that. She had done nothing wrong,
it was simply a case of raging hormones on the guy's part.
Rule #5. Don't be an ugly American (or German or Aussie, etc.)
Certainly, we all like to wave our respective flag. Just don't be a
jerk about it. If you take a moment, you might just find that the
German, Aussie, Brit or Yank on the next bar stool is basically just
a horny dude like yourself, and if you buy each other a few beers
you might find you've got a lot in common. Over the years I have
gained many "best friends for life" whose names I never learned and
who language I couldn't speak. We all share a common love for Thai
women.
Rule #6. Respect the few taboos. Never touch a Thai on the head.
Never point your feet at a Thai. Avoid public displays of
affection. Yes, I know she was hanging all over you in the bar, but
that was in the bar. When you are walking down the street, keep
your hands to yourself.
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PART 6 -- THERMAE COFFEE SHOP
Lots of times when I get to Bangkok, I am coming down from
Tokyo on a US airline, which means I don't arrive until about
midnight. Figure it takes an hour to clear customs and
immigration and another hour to get to the hotel. It is now 2
a.m. In most of the world's cities, you are lucky to find a
cup of coffee at 2 a.m.
But this is Bangkok!
Grab a cab and head for the Ambassador Hotel on Sukhumvit
Road. When you get there, pay the cab driver, walk out to
Sukhumvit, turn left and go up half a block. There will be
food stalls on the sidewalk and a lot of people milling around.
Turn left and walk up the dark alley. Make sure you don't get
run over in the process. Turn right as soon as you are past
the building and look for the door where people are going in
and out. Go in the door, past the unisex bathroom, down the
stairs and through the narrow hallway. Watch out for the
waiters carrying the trays of hot food!
You are now in the Thermae coffee shop. You will NOT find a
place to sit down. Force your way to the bar and order a
beer. Mind you, there is barely enough room to turn around
with all the people. This is the main gathering ground for all
the off duty bartenders, dancers, masseuses, freelancers, and
horny guys. Do not be surprised if you get "groped". If you
do, gently grab the wrist of the groper and follow the arm
until you reach the person. If you like her, great! If not,
just smile and move along. If she is a he, don't go
homophobic. The same rule of thumb applies. If you like him,
great! If not, just smile and move along.
There seems to almost always be a group of deaf mute girls
hanging out and working the Therme. Look behind the juke
box for them. They'll be signing to each other.
Nothing beats the Therme for variety. You will find 16-40 year
olds. Beautiful to ugly. Fat to skinny. All are looking to
hook up with someone for "a good time". The "price" at the
Therme varies greatly. Of course, there is no bar fine, but
I've heard stories "long time" dates running as low as 300 Baht.
Rumor has it that the Therme is owned by the Chief of Police of
Bangkok. The bartender, is reported to be a corporal in the
police! Neither is probably true. Usually you are very safe in
the Therme, however, be careful on the streets around it late
at night. As happens anywhere, tipsy, foreigners often end up
giving up their wallet and its contents very easily.
As a general rule of thumb when out partying in Bangkok,
never carry your Credit Cards and only enough $$$ that you can
afford to loose. Standard precautions....I've never had a
problem, but you can't be too safe. Don't carry your Passport.
Carry a photo copy of the double page with your picture! Yes,
I know if you are an American it says right on the passport
that it is illegal to photocopy, but, the potential hassle for
doing so is miniscule compared to the major hassle of having to
have your passport replaced when you have a 6 am departure
scheduled.
One of the great(?) things about Thermae is the single
bathroom. It adds an all new aura to using the bathroom when
you don't know if the person in the next stall is male, female
or transvestite! It gets doubly interesting when they try and
start up a conversation with you, or when the next stall has
more than one occupant. My recommendation is if you venture
into Thermae, use the bathroom, even if you don't have to use
the bathroom.
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PART 7 -- MASSAGE
This is a totally fictional (wink-wink) story about the massage
parlors of Bangkok.
The action took place in Bangkok, where I was mixing a bit of
pleasure with a lot of business. I had spent the better part
of the day stuck in the notorious Bangkok traffic in a car
with marginal air conditioning. I was pretty pooped and I
didn't want to do the nightclub scene because despite being
horny as hell from looking at the gorgeous Thai women all day,
I didn't have the energy to deal with the fast-paced action at
the clubs.
So, I asked my driver to take me to one of the better massage
parlors in Bangkok.
I went in and was greeted by one of the managers who
told me that I should go to the viewing area and select one of
the girls. Having visited establishments like this around the
world, and had every conceivable "con" run on me, I figured
that I would see if I could get the ground rules and costs
established -- before I made my selection and started thinking
with my "little brain".
The manager, who was wearing a nice suit and tie, told me that
the price was 2500 baht, and for that price I would get the
girl, the room, a bath, massage, blow job and fuck. I thought
that the price was a tad high, but figured that if this place
was one of the it might be worth it. I asked if the price was
negotiable and he laughed saying that I could pay more, but
certainly not less. He also told me that if I was not
satisfied in any way, to let him know and he would make it
right.
I figure that I had just received as much assurance as
I was ever going to get, and told him to point me to the
viewing area.
He directed me to the other end of the room where
behind mirrored glass they had at least 50 girls, sitting
around, wearing what looked like togas, and watching
television. I could see them but they could not see me unless
I wanted to step up to an area where the glass was two-way.
Each lady wore a small plastic button with a number.
God, what a selection, there were small girls and there
were tall girls, there were big tits, small tits, medium tits.
There were big asses and small asses and there were asses that
you just wanted to bite. The one thing in common was long jet
black hair and perfect complexions. There were no Harley
Davidson tattoos to be found, no needle marks, no gum chewers,
no inch-thick makeup, no old women, and no ugly women.
The deal here was to pick a lady on the basis of looks
and give her number to the manager. the ladies, in turn, use
different methods of getting attention. some just face the
glass and smile, not knowing if they are being observed or
not. Some make a point of being in the front row, others are
more content to sit towards the back. Some of the ladies knit,
others watch the television, others just talk to one another.
If someone steps up to the area where the glass is two-way,
many of the girls will try and establish eye contact while
nodding or pointing to their numbers.
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After about 10 minutes of just standing there in front
of the one-way glass, staring with my mouth wide open, my dick
getting hard and my heart throbbing because I wanted them all,
I decided which lady I wanted to spend some time with. I gave
her number to the manager who went to a small telephone and
paged her. While waiting for her to come out of the room, I
paid the fee and was soon greeted by a beautiful young lady who
had a name about 3 miles long. She laughed when I tried saying
her name and said that I could call her Nit.
Nit put her arm around me and guided me to an elevator,
which we used to get to the top floor. There we went down a
long hall and entered the room. What a room! It was about 12
x 12, had a double tub, a wide, nicely made bed, a padded bench
and a large open area that was half carpeted and half done in
ceramic tile. It was also immaculate and smelled clean and
fresh.
We were followed in the room by a waitress who took our
drink orders. Nit told me to sit on the end of the bed while
she got the tub ready -- and proceeded to full the tub with hot
sudsy water. A few moments later our drinks arrived, and so
did an old woman carrying an inflated air mattress.
Yes, this was the type of air mattress you use in a
swimming pool to lie on and get a tan. The type that is made
up of about 8 long vertical tubes filled with air, and topped
by a similarly inflated "pillow."
At this point I had absolutely no idea what the air
mattress was for, but figured "what the hell, you pay your
money and you take your chances."
By now we were alone in the room, I had my drink, a
mysterious air mattress, and Nit. She turned on some music and
told me to stand up. When I did so, she proceeded to undress
me is a most sensual manner. Sensual when it wasn't funny.
Nit stood about 4'10" and I'm a bit over 6', so I had to bend
over to help her get my T-shirt off. None the less, she made
full use of her hands throughout, rubbing my nipples, caressing
my sides, tickling my balls and scratching my ass.
By now I had a raging hard-on, which she mostly
ignored, other than to pantomime that it was truly huge and
would possibly split her in half. Nit was a good actress, and
I appreciated her effort to make me feel special.
Nit had me sit down and went over to check the tub. At
this point, she slipped out of the toga and took her black bra
and panties off, while she splashed around the tub getting the
water ready for me. What a body!
Nit called me over to the tub and helped me get it.
She then proceeded to join me.
Nit then washed and scrubbed every inch of me, while I
used the time to explore every inch of her body -- a soapy tit
here, a smooth thigh there, a handful of nearly hairless snatch
in between. I figured I was in pussy heaven -- and still had
no idea what the air mattress was for.
After about 15 minutes of rub-a-dub-dub, me-and-Nit-in-a-tub,
she had me stand up while she rinsed me off. She then got out
of the tub and put the air mattress on the floor and hand me
lie down on it. She then dumped a whole bottle of shampoo into
a tub of warm water and made a real soapy mixture. Nit then
poured some of the mixture on my back and proceeded to wash me
again, this time sliding her body up and down against mine,
using the soapy water as a lubricant. She turned me into a
big, white, bald, slip and slide, where she slipped and I was
the slide. She did this on every part of my body for about 15
minutes, and it was one of the most erotic episodes I've ever
had in my life.
Alas, we eventually ran out of her soapsuds mixture, so
Nit had me step back into the tub where she rinsed me off, we
then went up to the carpeted area, where she dried me off and
had me lie face down on the bed.
Nit then went back to the tub, rinsed herself off,
dried off, and joined me on the bed where she proceeded to
spend the next fifteen or twenty minutes giving me an
absolutely thorough massage. She worked every muscle in my
body, popped all my finger and toe joints and gave my scalp a
working over that makes me tingle just thinking about it.
At this point I really faced an emotional dilemma. I
was still incredibly horny from the "slip and slide" and wanted
to fuck anything that moved -- especially Nit. On the other
hand, the massage was so relaxing that I felt like I could drop
off to sleep at any moment.
Nit, however, resolved my dilemma by giving me the best oral
sex I have ever had. After I was fully aroused, blind with
passion and ready to die and go to heaven, she climbed onto me
and we made love.
After we finished, Nit lay beside me for a while, kissing me
and playing with my balls, and then went over to the tub and
turned on the water. I watched as she washed herself off, both
on the outside and the inside. She called me over and
proceeded to give me a full shower, scrubbing every inch of me,
as if she hadn't done the same thing about an hour earlier.
She then dried me off using a big fluffy towel and told
me to go lie down on the bed again. I watched as she cleaned
up the tub area, washed off her air mattress, and put all of
her soap containers away. She then put on her toga and had me
get up then helped me get dressed.
--------------end of story------------
I have a few final notes:
First, it was not overpriced. We spent about an hour and a half
together and it was everything the manager promised. the 2,500 baht
price is the price that the average tourist can expect to pay if
taken to a massage parlor by a taxi or hired car. The walk-in
prices range from 1,200 to 2,000 baht. The better you speak Thai,
the lower the price. Mid-aftgernoon is cheaper than 8 p.m.
Second, if the service is good, tip the girl 300 to 500 baht. Don't
be embarrassed, just fold up the money and hand it to her saying
"for you". She will understand you.
Third, I'm still not sure when she slipped the condom
on me. In the last 5 years, I cannot recall a time at a major
massage parlor when condom use was not required.
Some massage parlors call the routine with the air mattress a
"tora tora" or "B Course" massage".
Don't confuse the inside managers at the massage parlors with
the touts mentioned elsewhere in this FAQ. They are totally
different, and you should work with the massage parlor managers.
Remember, this is not a recommendation for that particular massage
parlor. There are several dozen in the city that can serve you just
as well. Some of the better massage parlors are Mona Lisa, Darling,
James Bond, Chao Phya, and La Cherie. How do you find them? Ask.
Ask at the front desk of the hotel where you are staying and they
will refer you to several close by. Don't be embarrassed. If you
ask a taxi driver, the driver will take you as well, and will follow
you in to get a commission. Many of the massage parlors print
full-color brochures that the cab drivers have. If you are staying
at a nicer hotel, ask as the transportation desk. Do not get
suckered in by someone stopping you on the street and showing you
the massage brochure. They are touts and will get paid a commission
for bringing you in.
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PART 8 -- DISCOS
There are legitimate discos all over Bangkok. If you want to
hear some great music and dance the night away, by all means
head for a disco.
Most have a cover change that amounts to $2-$5, and it
sometimes includes your first drink.
This is great, you might be saying, someplace to go where there
is no sex for sale. Wrong! Freelance "entertainers" hang out
at virtually every disco.
How do you find them. First, open your eyes. Look around,
make some eye contact. If you are in a disco unescorted, they
noticed you. Some may even just sit down beside you, or even
ask you to dance.
If you are really having a difficult time with this, go move to
one of the darkest corners in the disco. True love wil come to
you.
Beware! Transvestites can and do hang out at the discos. Make
sure that the she you are picking up is really a she! As there
are no bar fines or mamasans at the discos, everything is up to
you and your powers of negotiation.
Remember also, that if the lady you picked up does not work at a
regular nightclub, she may not be getting regular, weekly, VD
checks. Hanging out at a disco does not qualify as working at
a nightclub in this context.
I've been told by some wide-eyed Bangkok newbies that they
would never go to a nightclub to met a "professional", they
would only go to a disco and meet "amateurs". Yup, they are
right, I have it on good authority that the Easter Bunny
personally delivers a dozen virgin amateurs to the discos each
night.
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PART 9 -- ESCORT SERVICES
This is quite simple. Yes, escort agencies do exist, and they
are reputable. If you absolutely hate the bar scene they are an
acceptable alternative.
Try to visit, rather than call, and you will be allowed to look
through a photo album and choose your companion. The risk is
that the photo is more than a year old, or that she speaks
virtually no English. Now, for those of you from Germany or
France, I realize that not speaking English is probably an
asset, [just kidding!] but rest assured, at an escort agency, it is
virtually impossible to find a girl who speaks anything orther
than Thai, Laotion, Khmer or English.
However, if you are a western female, and are looking for an
escort, you should absolutely call an escort agency. Call and
make an appointment for a visit. It is a safe bet that your
escort will be either the owner of the agency, or one of his
best friends.
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PART 10 SHORT TIME HOTELS
Scattered throughout the city are short time hotels. These are
the places that you can rent by the hour or the evening, no
baggage is required and there is no hassle.
Don't think in terms of some seedy motel wsith soiled sheets
like you would find in the US. These are (usually) smaller
hotels or guest houses that simply cater to the "entertainment"
trade.
You can get a room for an hour, several hours or all night.
There are a great number of these hotels near Patpong because
the girls don't want to go to your hotel -- and probably can't
get in.
There are also a couple by the airport. I have a friend who
ofent makes his internatinal flight connections through Bangkok
when heading to Europe. He always looks forward to a 6 or 8
hour mechanical delay, bacause it gives him a chance to head
for one of the short time hotels near the airport.
But, you might ask, how does he have time to find the girl?
Easy, many short-time hotels come pre-stocked with a selection
for the visitor to choose from.
How do you find one? Simple, every bar girl knows where one
is. Every taxi driver knows the words "short time hotel." Or,
because this is Bangkok, just stop some tourist-looking person
in the company of a young lady and ask. Chances are that
either he or she knows, and if they know, they will tell you,
or even escort you there.
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PART 11 -- LADY HOUSES OF BANGKOK
[The following is extracted from a article posted on CompuServe that
was written by Tom Boswell and the original, full length document is
Copyright, 1993.]
I have saved what I consider best for last, the Lady Houses. These
institutions are rather like a finishing school for young
prostitutes, and I imagine that many of these girls do go on to the
other establishments as they get older. Most of them are
young -- usually about 18 to 22, and they are usually not hardened
professionals but relatively new to the business and often new to
Bangkok as well.
You are driven to the Lady House, which is located in a suburb of
Bangkok, by a taxi driver once it has become clear to him that you
are not satisfied with the places to which he has taken you in the
heart of the city. You drive up to what looks like an ordinary
suburban Bangkok home. These neighborhoods are very different from
an American suburb, more densely packed, with drab colors and high
walls that give it a slightly claustrophobic but mysterious kind of
feel. There are usually several men who open the gate for you,
although sometimes it might be one or more of the girls.
You leave the taxi and enter the main house where you are greeted by
the Mama-san. She usually knows some English, with which she
offers you a seat and asks if you would like a drink. As you wait
for the drink, young women begin to enter the room and sit down on
couches or benches around the periphery. They may be laughing and
giggling, they may be doing their nails, they may seem bored or
anxious to get back to whatever they were doing before you arrived,
or they may seem as though they hope you will choose them.
You sit and drink your drink and talk with the Mama-san while you
look back and forth around the room trying to decide which girl you
want. The Mama-san asks you how long you will be in Thailand, and
she will encourage you to take a lady for the whole trip--with the
right to exchange her for another, of course. In any case, though,
these girls never go out for less than an entire evening. They are
not on an hourly. If you just want one night, until late the next
morning, the price will be about 1500 Baht ($60) or up. If you are
interested in the whole week, it drops to about 1200 Baht ($48).
In addition, it is proper to tip these girls after the night or the
week or whatever--about 500 Baht ($20) per night will make her
happy.
[Remember, all prices mentioned are 1993 prices. Your actual price
may vary.]
Tom also asked that I mention:
COYOTE (Call Off Your Old Tired Ethics) is an organization that works
for the
rights of sex workers, including prostitutes. If you agree that
Prostitution
should be de-criminalized and that sex workers should have the same
legal rights
and protections as all other citizens, please make a donation, large
or small,
to COYOTE, C/O L'Ecole, 1341 Ocean Ave., #151, Santa Monica, CA
90401.
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PART 12 -- JAPANESE CLUBS
If you are Japanese, and choose not to socialize with Westerners or
non-Japanese Asians, head for Soi Tantawan and Thaniya Road. These
two streets, which run on either side of and parallel to Patpong I &
II, feature very expensive Japanese- style hostess bars which
usually bar non-Japanese from entering. One Thai I know explained
the high pricing this way: "The Japanese think they are superior to
the Thais, so we make them pay for their superiority."
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PART 13 -- GAY BAR LISTING
The following information was taken from a collection of
advertisements in the "Angel City" tourist magazine, volume 8, No. 3,
February 1994.
The author has no firsthand knowledge of the places listed herein, but
provides the information in the belief that diversity in lifestyles is
but one factor in the fabric of a rich society.
Colour 645/25-26 New Petchburi Road, Bangkok
(Opposite the Indonesian embassy)
Phone 252-9221
* Open 7 p.m. to 1 a.m.
* More than 40 hosts
* VIP rooms
* Karaoke & sing along
* Thais and foreigners welcome
Midnight Cowboy Lounge 1407/13-14 Soi Laleewan, (Opposite V-Star
cafe or turn left at Stax, before the Embassy Hotel) Phone 279-5712
* Go-go dancing from 9 p.m. to 1 a.m.
* Cabaret show at 11 p.m.
* 40 "Cowboys"
White Horse 645/53 New Petchburi Road,
(Opposite the Indonesian embassy)
Phone 255-2679, 252-9715
* Classic Decor
* More than 30 hosts
* Karaoke & sing along
K*Nude 11407/8-9 Soi Laleewan,
(Near Midnight Cowboy)
Phone 279-4960
* Live Music
* Electric Organ
* Go-go boys
* 30 hosts
* Cabaret show 3 times a day
* Open 7 p.m. to 1 a.m.
Stax 9 Soi Ko Toei Pradipat Rd. (5-9 Soi 20 Pradipat Rd.),
(Near the Embassy hotel)
Phone 278-4018, 278-1512
* Laser Disc system
* Open 6 p.m. to 5 a.m.
* No cover charge.
Tawan 2/2 Soi Tantawan, Suriwongse Rd.,
(near Patpong)
Phone 234-5506
* Cabaret show
* 40 hosts
* Go-go show
* No cover charge
* Open 8 p.m. to 2 a.m.
King's Heaven 235/18 Soi C.S. Apartment.,
(opposite Prasmmitr University)
(Near Julie Hotel, Asoke Rd)
Phone 258-3832
Klongtoey, Bangkok
* Open 6 p.m. to 2 a.m.
* VIP room
* Safety locker
* Karaoke
Girlaxy Boy 161-161/1 Surawongse Rd.,
Phone 233-7901
* VIP rooms
* Guide service
* Music
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3. Okay, enough. I get the picture. Where do I go and what do I do?
I've been around Asia for 25 years and *I* don't have the picture. But
okay. In Bangkok, you can spend your first evening unwinding in Patpong
(your taxi driver knows). It's a 2-square-block area in the center of
the
city filled with bars of all types; and, if you're in the mood for haut
cuisine, even a MacDonald's at one end. Which should give you an idea
of
how commercial the area has become.
Still, it's worth a visit. Intensively police-patrolled, it's also
safe.
The center of the short main street (which is closed to cars) is full of
flea-market stuff, while the bars are lined up along the sides. There's
a
kind of humorous contrast at play here: old tourist couples wander
through
the stalls while young touts flash dirty pictures at them and ask, "You
want see fuck show?"
There are two types of bars in Patpong: the street-level bars and the
upstairs bars. At street level, what you see are many, many generally
lovely young girls dancing onstage in bikinis, each with a number on
them. You find a seat, order a beer, and ogle. Don't forget to watch
the
customers, too; frequently that's where the real entertainment is.
Often, in Patpong, "dancers" on their break will approach you and ask
you
to buy them a drink. If you feel like it, go ahead. If not, a polite
"No
thank you, I'm waiting for someone" will suffice. If she sits down
(most
likely on your lap), you have one job and one job only: to make her
laugh. These girls take more BS than you can imagine; if you can make
her
laugh (it isn't hard), you'll both have a lot of fun. If you're tense,
not relaxed, or not in the mood for a good time, best to go back to your
hotel.
If you spot a girl on stage that you'd like to meet, ask one of the
waiters to call her down. The girl will eye you, and if for any reason
she doesn't like your looks, she'll shake her head. Let it go; there
are
many others. If she does come down, you're then obligated to buy her at
least one drink. The conversation will be stilted; most speak little or
no English. Smiles and nods are good, though.
If you want to take any of these girls out, ask her. She'll check with
a
mama-san, who will come by to check you out (watch, clothing, where
you're
from, what hotel you're in). If it's okay, you'll pay a bar fee for the
girl's time, and she'll hustle you down the street to any number of
nearby, usually clean by-the-hour places. Don't bother asking her to go
back to your hotel with you. She won't (if only for her own safety),
and
if you're in a 4- or 5-star hotel, she wouldn't make it as far as the
elevator. Trust me.
You're in the room. What will she do with you? Straight or oral sex.
Period. Forget anal or anything exotic. These are simple working girls
in a hurry. Nothing personal--it's economics. Whatever she does, if
you
plan on ever going back to the same bar, be kind and tip well (ask
another
customer in the bar what the going rate is). If not, you may find
yourself boycotted by all the girls in that bar. Not that there aren't
others, of course.
Upstairs bars (yes, the ones with staircases leading directly off the
street) are very different. That's where you'll see the famed sex
shows,
and can get a quick blow job on the premises. They're also famous
rip-off
joints, just so you know. And you're far away from the patrolling
police
on the street.
The sex shows generally consist of several nude girls doing
anatomically-improbable things with equally improbable props, like eggs,
lit cigarettes and candles, and darts. This last is for the truly
suicidal. Patrons around the bar are handed balloons, while on stage a
girl lying on her back inserts a tube into her vagina. She then inserts
a
dart into the tube, takes aim, and fires the dart at the balloons. They
rarely miss. You've heard of Dead-Eye Dick? Meet his sister.
The grand finale is generally a couple having live sex on the stage,
which, if you're seated at the bar, means about 24 inches from your
nose.
It's all very fascinating, the first time you see it. Thai sex shows
are
like cathedrals: see one, you've seen them all.
The procedure for getting a girl here is the same as downstairs, except
that the girls here generally make their own decisions, and prefer not
to
leave the premises, though they will take you down the street if you
insist (economics again).
Finally, Patpong is reasonably safe for adventurous women, escorted or
not, who wish to view the goings-on. Wherever you go in the area,
you're
likely to find a kindred curious soul or two, and it's extremely
unlikely
that you'll be hassled in any way.
You've "done" Patpong, and want to move on to more advanced things.
Let's
start (or end) at the airport. If you're arriving late or departing
very
early, it might be a good idea to overnight at the Airport Hotel, a
decent place connected by an air-conditioned walkway to the terminal.
The Airport Hotel offers an in-room massage service, which quits around
9pm. Don't use it. There is a massage parlor in the hotel itself, with
girls available 24 hours. Ask directions from the hotel operator (it
isn't easy to find), call first, then go down. Tell the parlor
receptionist you want a "special private" massage. She'll escort you to
a
room, and after a few minutes ask you to come out into the corridor,
where
several girls will have been assembled.
They are, almost without exception, young, not terribly pretty, and
fresh
in from the countryside. If your libido overcomes your empathy, select
one (or more) and take them into the room assigned to you (not your
hotel
room). She'll probably do whatever you want, other than anal. But
these
girls are not paragons of customer service; don't expect enthusiasm, or
to
form a relationship. All-in-all (though there are always exceptions),
one
of the Thai sex trade's dimmer lights.
Now we come to the heart of it all--Bangkok's famed massage parlors.
These vary widely in the quality of the girls, general cleanliness, and
in
other ways as well. Some, for example, are private, for members only.
Others do not under any circumstances admit non-Thais on the
misconception
that only foreigners carry AIDS--or on general racist principles.
Surprised? It's the same all over Asia, friends. You, whitey, are the
minority here, and are not always welcome. Unfortunately, it's the same
for blacks. But paradoxically, for blacks the exclusion isn't
necessarily
racial. Ask a Thai prostitute who won't go with blacks why not, and the
answer one most often hears is "Too big!" I know, it's still racism,
but
more bearable, perhaps, than the indiscriminate, ego- and skull-smashing
kind.
Here are two recommendations in Bangkok: Darling, and (my #1
recommendation) MonaLisa. Any cab driver will take you to either. I
suggest you do not take them up on their alternative suggestions, which
are based on the fact that they get a commission. Ask the cabbie to
wait
for you, negotiate a rate, and give him an extra 30 baht for a beer
while
he waits. Cab drivers will not infrequently ask to be treated to a
girl.
Laugh it off; they expect you to.
Plan to go at 7 or 8 pm. Later, and the prettiest and most skilled
girls
are occupied. Earlier, and they haven't yet arrived. Closing time is
universally 11pm.
What happens when you go in? You'll find yourself with others like you,
foreign and Thai, in a large, dimly-lit waiting area facing several
plate-glass windows (one-way in some places), behind which sit, in
ranks,
up to 100 or more girls. They're in the establishment's uniform,
usually
a diaphanous thing, and all have a number pinned near their shoulder.
They watch television, gossip, knit, read, or simply gaze. Very rarely,
one will attempt to catch your eye.
You will immediately be approached by one of several "managers," who
will
ask which girl you want. Don't allow yourself to be rushed; selection
is
part of the experience. Tell him you're in no hurry, and ask where you
can get a beer (generally at a bar off the waiting room). Sit down or
walk around, look at the girls, let your fantasies build, and RELAX.
This
can be intimidating the first time, and tension will detract from the
experience.
If you have something specific in mind--anything at all that you can
imagine-- flag down a manager and tell him *exactly* what you want (a
tiny
bit awkward when the manager, as is sometimes the case, is a
manageress).
If you want the best blow job in the world, say so: he'll tell you which
girls specialize in the field. If you want anal, say so. If you want
to
watch two or three girls making love to each other and then join in, say
so. Be specific and graphic: they've heard it all before, and will
steer
you toward the right girl(s). Unlike the Patpong bars, here they're
interested in the repeat business that customer satisfaction brings.
When you've settled on a girl or girls, it's time to talk price. The
price per girl is usually around US$75, for two hours, though standard
procedure is for them to hit you up for a nice, round $100. Bargaining
is
okay, but not to extremes. After all, if you're happy, $100 is not bad;
and if you're not, $10 is too much. When you eventually agree to a
price,
do so reluctantly, and add that for that price you expect a VIP room.
He'll know what you mean (even if you don't). VIP rooms are generally
bigger than others, and often heavily mirrored.
The manager will call the girl(s) out through a microphone, and escort
you
to the cashier, where you'll pay up front and meet the girl. They all
take credit cards, by the way. The cashier hands the room key to the
girl, who will often remain silent until you address her. Smile, tell
her
your name, and try to refrain from asking particularly stupid questions
out of nervousness.
She'll take you to the elevator, then to the room. You'll probably pass
other men, with their particular fantasy-fulfillers, on their way in or
out, who will usually not want to make eye contact. Your lady will
pause
to tell a floor worker the room number. Once in the room, she'll start
water running in the tub, and ask what you want to drink. Say you want
a
beer, even if you don't, and get a drink for her.
In a moment the floor worker will knock and enter with a basket of oil,
powder, soap, and some towels, and will take the drink order. Tip her
well--she lives off your tips and those that the girl leaves when you
vacate the room.
You'll start off with a bath and a body massage. The bath is
self-explanatory; it also gives the girl a chance to check you out for
visible sores or other indications that you might be her particular
angel
of death. You, unfortunately, proceed on faith. The body massage is
done
on a soaped air mattress next to the tub, and I'll leave its pleasures
to
you to discover.
Later you'll dry off, move to the bed, and do whatever it was you paid
to
do. It's all very leisurely; you've got two hours to play. On occasion
(it's very individual) a girl might possess some extremely powerful Thai
stick, and will ask you to join her in a smoke. It's up to you, but if
you don't, you can be sure she'll have had a better time than you (and
have blotted you completely out in the process). Whatever, almost
without
exception in my experience, these girls are very, very good at what they
do.
That said, it would be well to remember that what these girls *do*, each
for their own reasons, is not what they *are*. Often, they are quite
funny and bright. Even if not, if you never cease to remember that they
are, before anything else, human beings with human feelings, chances are
good you'll truly enjoy yourself, and you will have made her life, for a
moment, at least, not as completely horrible as it might have been.
Tip the girl around 400 baht and, if you were satisfied and think you'll
ever return, drop 200 baht on the manager who steered you right on the
way
out. Now go outside and find your cab driver. He'll remember you, even
if
you're too wrecked to remember him.
Finally, a sentence for gays: ask a cab driver to take you to Soi
Cowboy,
which is wall-to-wall gay and TV bars. You'll be just fine.
Doctor Moon Ray
Story (including Pattaya)" - was posted unaltered by Doctor Moon Ray
from Atta's World Sex Guide. Follow THREAD to see the previous part of
the "Thailand: Bangkok" section of Atta's World Sex Guide. Go to
http://www.deja.com/~worldsexguide to see the entire WSG.)
OK...I'll contribute...her are a collection of 6 write ups I did after
one of my Bangkok trips...
BANGKOK STORY --
Having just returned from my second trip to Bangkok, Thailand, I thought
that I would forward on some of my experiences and observations. I have
found Bangkok to be everything that it's claimed to be as the East's
most sexually open city. It is a city that seems to be totally geared
to the sexual fun of the adventuresome male. A song from a Broadway
play that was subsequently made into a rock song goes something like
this:
One night in Bangkok and the World's your oyster,
All the bars are temples, but the girls ain't free.
One night in Bangkok makes a hard man humble,
Not much difference between despair and ecstasy!
Having my appetite whetted on a previous trip of 3 days, I recently
planned a 8 day stay. Now having returned, I better understand what the
song's author meant by "....makes a hard man humble." Every man should
have the opportunity once in his life to visit what is known in the Far
East as the "City of Angels."
As a little background, Bangkok developed its reputation as a wild
place when it served as a main R&R center during the Vietnam war
period. To its credit, Bangkok has some outstanding sights to see, the
cheapest shopping in Asia, good cheap food, and ease of entry/exit. To
its dismay, it is now a city of over 10 million people and traffic has
become hopelessly snarled and polluted. For our purposes, we will just
overlook all of those things that you can read in any tourist guide
book. Thailand is known as the Land of a 1000 smiles......one can also
add 500,000 bar girls!
The "fun" activities center around the bars and massage parlors.
However, there are also plenty of private clubs, discos, and normal
"watering holes" as well as restaurants of any type. There are a lot of
expat's in Bangkok.
Farangs as they are called by the Thai's. The sexual scene is often
divided into "Western", "Japanese", and local establishments. Most
likely, you will only be able to enter the "Western" based
establishments so we won't discuss the others.
First the Massage Parlors! Massage in Thailand is a national art
and there are many places that specialize in "Traditional Massage" that
you will avoid like the plague. The parlors that you will be interested
in cater to your sexual appetites as well. On virtually every block,
you can find some small parlor holding perhaps 4-8 girls. Impressive
though, are the major parlors of which there are perhaps a dozen in the
city. These facilities are about the size of a department store at the
mall! Often 4-5 stories tall including cafes, bars, and other rooms in
addition to the private massage rooms on the upper floors.
The first shock that awaits you as you enter is a large glass
window area perhaps 50 feet long and floor to ceiling glass. Behind the
glass sits 50 to 100 or more beautiful Thai ladies wearing little
numbers on their prom dresses! All these women are there for your
choosing. You can discuss your selection(s) with an assistant who will
then notify the proper companion(s). Just like in an old Chinese
restaurant, you order by number. For a straight massage of 90
minutes or so, it will cost about 500 Bhat or $20. If you wish to
include other activities such as a full body massage or "The works" it
is easily arranged. The full course will run about 1500 Bhat or $60 in
the fancier places.
For your $60, you will receive treatment the likes of which you can
only dream about! Having selected your beauty, you and she will retire
to your own personal room which is equipped with a large sunken bath,
(un)dressing area, and bed/massage area. An attendant will check to see
if you would like something to drink and to your other needs. Once
started, the girl will insist upon removing your shoes and socks before
letting you remove the rest of your clothes and jumping into a towel
cover-up while the bath is filling. This is the opportunity for you to
get to know her a little with some rudimentary English. Most of the
girls, unless they are real new, know 100-200 words of English and
communication is no big hassle if you keep it simple. And for what you
have in mind, a lot of communication is not necessary.
The Thai's are incredibly shy people for all of their
permissiveness. She will disrobe underneath a towel with her back turned
to you! As she comes over, takes your hand, and leads you to the now
full bath, a smile is all that's required. In the bath she will begin
bathing each and every part of your body at least once with her soapy
little hands. Individual toes, fingers, and limbs get equal attention.
Sooner or later she will assume an cross-legged Indian sitting position
between your legs. They then have a cute move where they pull you up
onto their lap so that your butt is cradled in their legs as you sort of
float on your back. You can imagine what part of your body is now up to
the surface of the water and what will receive attention next!
Having survived the through ministrations of the lady's hands and
fingers and feeling just short of eternal bliss from the warm water,
suds, and her hands, she will then begin the "body" massage both front
and back as the water drains from the tub. Two soapy bodies slithering
around can arouse a lot of passion! Here is this little shy gal who
refused to undress in front of you smiling and giggling with you
especially when your hardening cock bangs against her. All too soon she
will be rinsing you well with a spray. She will begin to dry your body
with a big fluffy towel and while you complete the job, she will bath
herself in preparation. When you retire to the bed, the lady begins a
slow and long period of traditional Thai massage. These gals could put
any Chiropractor to shame! Most of the work is done with the finger tips
working on individual muscles starting with your toes and ending with
your temples. After she has flipped you over once or twice, attacked
every muscle and bone in your body until you are ready to die, you will
notice (If you can even open your eyes at this point) that her towel has
slipped off and her fingers have been replaced with her lips!
Aw...now is the time. She will work her way up and down your body
with infinite skill and patience. Its also your chance to do a little
exploring of your own if you wish. Definitely by now, she has flattered
your ego by describing your size vis a' vis her own countrymen with a
lot of giggles, wide eyed wonder, and comparisons to the diameter of her
tiny wrist. Don't worry however, because she quickly leads her lips to
the tip and begins swallowing your joint in an enthusiastic manner.
What happens next is pretty much up to you. You can continue as you
are, or cut off the oral attention to get into some straight screwing.
Whatever your choice, you have probably
come as close to heaven as possible at this time.
Now when you are figuratively and literally drained, it is your
chance to attempt some more of that dialogue in fractured English.
After a short rest, she will lead you back to the tub for a quick wash
and rinse. Now after fucking your eyes out, she will retire behind her
towel and shyly get dressed! Taking your hand she will lead you down
the elevator, and out into the lobby. There at the side, with a big
smile on her face as if you were the ONLY man ever in her life, she will
bid you good-bye and wish for your return to visit her again. Suave man
that you are, you will only shyly peek in the big window during your
exit, just in case there is someone else you might have missed
previously! Out on the street again, you wonder if it could ever be
any better than this!
The women of Bangkok who make up its sex industry are really
special. Today, most of them are young ladies from the northern
provinces who have come to Bangkok and the South for the bucks. While
the Thai permissive society allows all of them to do their thing, they
are really considered low on the social scale. In part, this is not due
to what they do, but the fact that they are peasant girls from the
boonies.
It is arguable that the Thai women are the most beautiful in the
World. Personally, I wouldn't want to argue against them! I find them
very exotic, erotic, and alluring. They all look incredibly young.
Although their usual ages run from 20 to 28 years old, to us Westerners
they all look 18 or even less! Each one seems to be about 4'8" to 5'2"
and weigh around 95-100 lbs. They are very small boned and the further
north they come from the fairer the skin which is highly prized in
Thailand. You see no "Tan Lines" on any self respecting Thai woman.
By being a bar girl (or Masseuse) they can earn more money in one
week, than their family might earn in 6 months to a year up North! In
fact, their average earnings are about equal to a Thai engineer which
might only mean that the Thai's have a better understanding of social
worth! So it is very common for a gal to work the bars for a year or
two, put away as much money as they can, and then return to their
families or get married. Others unfortunately, virtually get "sold" by
their families into the industry.
The stories about the bar girls are legion. While they may only
have the equivalent of a 3rd grade education, many of them have
outwitted some love struck Farang (Western Foreigner) for a fortune!
They play by the rules if treated fairly.....but are vicious if
mistreated. They are known to be adept with a straight razor should
their "Man" butterfly on them! No one wants to cross a bar girl!
They come to the south of Thailand in the thousands. It is
estimated that there are over 500,000 of them working in various sexual
activities today. Invariably, they are all beautiful to our eyes.
Picking out the cream of the crop usually boils down to picky little
things like hair style. When's the last time you choose your evening
companion by picking the one with the best teeth? Going around the bars
puts new meaning in the phrase "Like a kid in a candy store."
The bars in Bangkok are most often "Go-Go" bars, a style that goes
back to the Viet Nam era. The dancers remain clothed in a bathing suit,
bikini, or g-string/top in the bar. It is illegal for them to dance
topless or nude.......more about which later. Don't try to compare
these bars with what you might remember (if you're old enough) as Go-Go
bars her in the states!
The Go-Go bars are clustered in about 4 general areas of Bangkok.
The most famous is the area called Patpong obviously from the Patpong
Rd. they are located on. The others in Nana, Soi Cowboy, and Sukumviet
Rd. all have their attributes, but Patpong is THE center. This is where
the out of town visitor usually heads. Having sampled the others, I
would recommend that you just stay in Patpong. Like the books say, the
others are more laid back, less hassle, and maybe cheaper. However,
since you're in for a quick visit you might as well O.D. on the biggest
and baddest!
Patpong is really 2 or 3 little streets about 1 block long. Each
is less than a standard neighborhood street in width. The 3rd street is
really an alley (even more than the first two) that caters to the gay
crowd and Japanese private clubs so we'll ignore it totally for now.
Patpong 1 is filled with 2 to 6 story buildings that have several things
in common. Each has a bar or bars on its first floor and often times
its second floor as well. I've never seen this style of "Bar" anywhere
else in the world.
Typically, the bar is very small--perhaps 20 feet across and 50
feet deep. In the center will be a small stage about 8' by 12'. Around
the stage is a horseshoe shaped bar with stools for about 25 to 30
patrons. Perhaps on one or both walls there will be seating for an
additional 25 people for a packed house of maybe 50. In the bar besides
the patrons, there will be about 30-40 of those afore mentioned
BEAUTIFUL CREATURES! Don't confuse these bars with ours where you have
your choice of staring at 4-5 tattooed, overweight ladies! Often times,
the girls will out number the customers. At one time about 1/3 of them
will be crowded on the small stage dancing a set. The groups revolve
out as the night goes on.
As one can imagine, in just the first bar, one reaches visual
overload quickly. Couple this with the fact that each of the girls
believes that you are her personal ticket out for the evening and you
can imagine the attention you get upon entering! Hardly before you
first drink arrives, some angel's arm snakes around you and you hear
this little voice breathing in your ear, "Howwoo, sir. You rike me?"
Its breathing in your ear because the music is usually playing
somewhere around 90-95 decibels! The girls often will start massaging
your neck or back or .........before hitting you up for a drink. Heck,
with your beer costing about 50 Bhat ($2) and her "cola" the same, you
often find yourself buying for a bevy of beauties who are all vying for
your attention simultaneously! Damn hard way to go........
Here you are trying to scope out the possibilities that interest
you from around 40 of so gals, 2 or 3 are hanging onto you passionately,
and your heart is beating so fast that you can't swallow! What makes
this scene so very, very incredible, is that this bar is only the first
of about 20 ON THAT BLOCK!!!!
The girls are not real pushy about it either. Once they see that
you are not going to spring for a drink they allow you to watch in
peace. My technique is to buy the first one who comes over a drink,
pretend to be madly in love when others approach, and then scope out who
I want to talk to later. I leave after my first drink which avoids
having one of the gals "claim me" and then later can return if I spotted
something interesting. With all that ground to cover, it would be a
shame to spend too much time in one place.
By moving from one bar to another, you will quickly develop
"favorites". Perhaps you think that the overall quality of the bar girls
is better in some, perhaps you'll like the music mix better, or perhaps
how you are treated in some better than others. Whatever your reasons,
there is plenty of time to scope them out and return. I would suggest
that you avoid a beer in EACH ONE. The local Shinga beer is real high in
alcohol content and quickly does a number on you! Juices or soft drinks
are an easy alternate and the bars are use to serving them.
When your little heart finally settles down to a dull roar and you
have fallen madly in "love", and the lady of your finest wet dream has
been identified, you're ready to make the move! Several options now
present themselves. You can contract for a "short time" meaning a nice
long fuck. Or you can look for a "long time" meaning all night. The
standard rules for a "long time" are 1) you pay her her fee fully and
don't try to cheat her, 2) you and she usually do it then and once again
in the morning, 3) you are not responsible to fix or buy breakfast for
her. Fees for this "service" vary as you might expect. In Patpong
which is probably the most expensive, a short time will run
1000 to 1500 Bhat ($40-$60). A long time will usually be 2000 Bhat
($80). Some of the other areas have prices running down to half of
Patpong's prices However, Patpong is the center for the most
sophisticated and stylish women. You pay your money, you make your
choices.............
The "how" is very easy. You simply negotiate with the object of
your temporary affection. Often times, the only thing necessary is to
point first at her and then yourself and nod your head. She will
understand quickly. Funny, but even though they may only know a limited
amount of English, the girls can count in about 100 languages! Since
you are taking her from a bar, you will be responsible for paying a "Bar
Fine". The idea of this is to compensate the bar owner who is about to
loose the services of the young lady for the evening. The bar fines run
about 325 Bhat ($13).
Your other choice involves the "where". Unless you are staying at
one of the real high class hotels, your friend is welcome in your room.
However, the hotel will insist upon charging you for a double! If you
are going for the short time, there are a couple of "guest houses" right
on or by Patpong that charge 200 Bhat ($8) and are preferred by the
girls to avoid a long walk to your hotel. They are interesting as you
also get to watch the constant traffic in and out by other participants
(hehehehe).
An interesting sidelight is that the most popular short time hotel,
the MMM Guest House on Patpong is entered via a hallway off the street.
Running along the hallway is a neat, quiet little bar just for
socializing and drinking--no music--with nuke Hanoi Jane posters and
owned by a group of ex Nam vets. The long part of the bar along side
the hallway is enclosed with one way glass windows. Everyone sits,
BS's, and watches the flow into and
out of the guest house making the appropriate comments.
With your choice of about 1000 wonderful bodies within 100 yards,
your choice is a hard one! It's a horrible job...someone has got to do
it. AND WE HAVEN'T EVEN GOTTEN TO PATPONG 2 YET!!!!!!
Well, having gotten you through the massage parlors, and the Go-Go
bars, I should mention some of the "special shows". Many of the second
floor bars in Patpong offer shows. They are illegal and occasionally
get raided without effect to the patrons. However, Bangkok is very
tolerant and the shows have become a way of life. All the clubs are
suppose to close at 1:00 AM, but most now run on until closer to 3:00
since no one seems to mind and everyone is enjoying themselves.
It is in the "special shows" that one is exposed to the world class
talent of the city. Each bar seems to try to outdo each other to see
who has the wildest show. In many of the clubs you will see tourist
couples (Look at that Ma! They will never believe this back in Des
Moines!). The shows are soooooooo far out that they become comical the
first time or two that you see one. Sexy and erotic...not really...but
a MUST do for you sometime during your visit.
In my two trips so far, I have observed the following:
1) Young lady smoking a cigarette with her pussy.
2) Young lady blowing a whistle with her pussy.
3) Gal using a large straw and her pussy to blow out the candles on a
birthday cake.
4) Gal inserts a banana and then spits it out, cutting it into 3 pieces
in the process. I DID not chance getting into that one!
5) Lady opens a soda bottle using only her pussy!
6) Lady removes 2 dozen razor blades connected by a string from her
pussy!
They were real! I suspect that she was wearing a protective device.
I didn't want to touch that one either!
7) Ping Pong balls propelled across the room by a pussy.
8) Very talented gals using a blow dart gun and their pussy to pop
balloons held above their head by customers.
9) My Favorite! Two gals come on stage carrying a large brandy snifter
full of water. First gal deposits a load of pebbles in the bottom
of the glass from her pussy. Second gal deposits 3 live tropical
fish into the "aquarium"!
10) Gal did an act including insertion using two 6 foot pythons. No,
she didn't get all 6 feet in...just about 8" .....head first!
Obviously, going to Patpong and missing all of this culture would
be a waste of time. Look at it this way. It will be something to tell
your grandchildren about and piss their mother off!
Actually, this is an account of Pattaya, a city south of Bangkok.
Pattaya is to Bangkok as Galveston is to Houston--the beach resort about
2 hours down the road. Pattaya is about the size of downtown Galveston
proper. In other words, you could walk it end to end if you had to.
One difference however, is that Pattaya has about 50% of its
population working as bar girls! The Go-Go scene is not the big deal
like in Bangkok. Here there are beer bars. The beer bars are exposed,
outside bars, that seat maybe 25 people and are staffed with perhaps 10
girls. Another 5 or so girls will be sitting out on the stools as well.
Up and down Pattaya beach, there must be 500 of them total!
Some are more major attractions which put on some entertainment
like Thai Kick Boxing. The common ground is the bar girls. To put it
in perspective, Pattaya is the most favored shore leave for ALL the
world's navies! They say that when the 7th fleet is in town, all hell
breaks loose. No navy of any fleet was present during my visit, and as
far as I am concerned all hell WAS breaking loose without them!
Comparing Pattaya with Bangkok I found a more laid back atmosphere,
lower prices, and a less sophisticated lady. While Patpong women tend
to make up and dress in a Western style, these gals seem more "local".
Perhaps, that made them a little less attractive to me. One good point
is that here one can waste away an hour or so talking to a bar girl,
playing a little bar game for drinks, and not feel so pressured.
But the focus of this part is on a bar I ran into in Pattaya! I
saw an advertisement for it, thought it was cute, and walked over to try
and get a copy to take home. In Bangkok the have what is called "no
hands" restaurants where your party is fed by waitresses sitting on your
laps. All night long you can use your hands elsewhere, instead of
worrying about putting food and drink into your mouth!
I thought that this was just a bar in the same vein......WRONG!
What I discovered was an "upstairs" bar which only had 8 barstools. The
bar itself was chest high and had semi-circular cut-outs at each
barstool. Upon entering, one was approached by a bar girl, the massage
started on the neck, and a drink bought. Only then did my eyes become
accustomed to the subdued lighting. The "special services" offered were
accomplished by the bar girl going around to the inside of the bar,
kneeling down under the bar, parting a
curtain, pulling down your pants, and applying her mouth to ones
swelling member! The "special service" was accomplished for the mere
sum of 250 Bhat ($10)!! WOW now that "service" would be welcome just
about anywhere.
The incredible scene around one was one of XXX videos on the tube,
6 or so guys leaning on the bar in their own cut-outs, with the wildest
expressions on their faces! A sign on the bar top said, "when pants are
down around ankle, please to put valuables on top of bar". As perverted
as this place is, and I must say it tops my list of perverted places, in
its own way I certainly will always remember it.
The bar has its own listing of "firsts and mosts". You will be
told that the most is 7 by one individual in one night (Definitely a
Playline potential member). The oldest was 85 ( it wasn't Jack). The
biggest was 5 at the bar and then this guy took 3 bar girls into the
back room for a bi scene. By the way, most of the bars in Pattaya and
some in Bangkok have back rooms you can rent on the spot. And not to be
outdone, the first woman was a certain Helga from West Germany! In all
they have a listing of 20 odd different "firsts and mosts". Most of
which I couldn't read or remember since my eyes were bulging out so far.
No discussion of Bangkok would be complete without talking about
their world famous TV/TS's. Generations of visiting sailors have
returned to the ship suddenly very sober, muttering comments like,
".........and then when I took off her panties I got the biggest
surprise of my life"!
Part of the possible reason probably is that both the Thai women
and men are so small in bone structure compared to most Westerners.
While here we are accustomed to seeing the 5'10 Transvestites in size 12
heels, over there there is little if any difference in physical sizes.
Couple this with the fact the their surgeons are very experienced in the
procedures and the permissiveness that allows them to do the surgery. I
read during my visit that a "guy" could have the entire "lower parts"
done for only $800. A good bar gal can clear that much in several
weeks.
The guides which I read warned that even observing them in "natures
own clothing" was not a good indicator so skilled were the surgeons.
The best suggestion they could give was to look for an adams apple! My
experience looking at adams apples with these small bodied creatures
gave me absolutely no clue!
There are several Clubs and Cabarets in Bangkok for both TV's and
TS's. In addition, a small percentage of the bar girls are "remakes".
In Pattaya there are probably the world's two largest and fanciest
cabarets featuring their acts. In addition, Pattaya boasts a goodly
number of them on the streets. Must be something about the 7th fleet
that attracts them.
I usually pride myself here in the states of being able to "spot" a
converted guy/gal fairly easily. I don't know really why that should be
such an outstanding attribute, but....... In Thailand, I was mystified!
The "gals" are as striking as the original ones! Should you lean to
playing with this type of enchanting creature, you will be as pleased
with Thailand as those who lust after the women.
I hope that these revelations about Thailand have wetted your
appetite for visiting the country. If you decide to go sometime, can I
carry your luggage?
On one of my visits to a major Bangkok massage parlor, I was comfortably
sitting in the lobby and discussing with an attendant, the various
attributes of the many girls behind the glass wall. Picking out the
best looker out of 4 or 5 in a bar is easy. Picking out the best from
over 80 gals arrayed for your inspection is difficult.
Quietly, my helper suggested that perhaps I would be interested in
seeing what also was available in one of the special bar areas. What he
alluded to made my heart race wildly. He said that in there they had
some "young ones". Seeing how most Thai women in their 20's look in
their teens to me, this was something that I had to see!
Inside the other room off of the lobby, which actually was a small
bar, sat about 12 little girls watching TV. As we entered, they were
watching, playing grabass, and giggling! On a command from my
attendant, they all sat back up on the couches and smiled at me, giving
me their full attention. Before me sat the 12, with the youngest at my
guess about 12. It was obvious that these young things had not yet
matured into ladies....their giggles and squirming quickly gave them
away. No dummies either, the establishment had made no attempts to
dress them sexy, but rather clothed them in young girl outfits befitting
their age.
I couldn't restrain myself! I had to have one of them. I picked
out what I took to probably be the oldest one as she was the most
attractive to me. My attendant assured me that all of them were
suitably trained, but my heart went to this one. Her name was Bii
(pronounced Bee), a nickname given to her at birth. She turned out to
be 16 years old. As she led me away to the room, I knew I was in for a
wild time.
The massage and bath went according to the standard routine as
described in the Bangkok massage story and there is no need to report it
again. However, this little gal probably exhibited the most interest
and talent when soaping down my by now VERY HARD member. A lot of
giggles accompanied her ministrations. As the bath and massage finished
she began to work her lips and mouth down my body and appropriately
enough ended up with her tiny mouth over my cock. I watched as she
sensuously devoured me, taking a surprising amount into her mouth.
I knew that this would be over all too shortly if I allowed it to
continue too long, and beside, I wanted to taste some of her. As I laid
her on her back, she prepared for me to enter her. Was she surprised to
see my lips trail from her tiny little nipples, down her stomach, and
latch onto her clit! I don't think that her entire slit, from bottom to
clit, could have been over 2 1/2 to 3 inches!
Doctor Moon Ray
Story (including Pattaya)" - was posted unaltered by Doctor Moon Ray
from Atta's World Sex Guide. Follow THREAD to see the previous part of
the "Thailand: Bangkok" section of Atta's World Sex Guide. Go to
http://www.deja.com/~worldsexguide to see the entire WSG.)
Believe me, it tasted sweet! As I ran my tongue up and down its
length, she began to squirm around on the bed, unaccustomed to the feel
and sensations. Soon, she was clutching the sheets with both hands and
moaning. I licked a finger and began to finger her pussy in preparation
for later as I continued my assault on her little clit. Quickly, she
cried out, muscles clenching, and bucked her hips wildly!
Partially moaning and partially wimpering, she pulled me up, pushed
me over on my back, straddled me, and took my rock hard cock in both
hands. Could she do it? Well, Bun sure wanted to try! I watched with
awe as the head of my cock slowly entered her tiny sweet pussy. Looking
up at her I saw a face contorted in a grimace of pain. "No", I told
her, "easy". But she simply shook her head and continued to slide down
on my shaft. Soon, all of me was inside her and she stopped to catch
her breath. In a minute, she started slowly bobbing up and down on me,
now with a contented smile on her face.
Well, you can imagine just how long it took to bring me off! As
she sensed my quickening pace, she placed her feet flat on the bed on
either side of my hips, squatted over me, and began to plunge away.
BINGO....that was all it took to pull me over the edge! As I felt
gusher after gusher of cum spurt from my cock, I knew that I had reach
the heights of ecstasy!
After letting me deflate inside her, Bii led me back to the tub and
once again cleaned my entire body. It is an experience I'll never
forget.
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A>that's a great and very informative article about Bangkok you have
A>there! I'll include it in the next version of the Prostitution FAQ.
A>One question though: when did your visits take place? I would like to
A>add a date-tag to it.
I wrote those after my second trip to BKK in Oct 1991. However, I just
returned from an Oct, 1994 visit as well. I don't know of hardly
anything that I would change though.
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Tips and Tricks for having Fun in Bangkok
last update 9th April, 1996
Introduction
This report has been written by somebody who has fallen in love quite a
few times with some Thai girls. Actually I have been in
Thailand at least four times a year since 1989. There are many things
that I did not experience in these years, like Patpong, the
massage parlours, etc. But I did learn enough to be able to write this
report, which I believe will help you finding your way through
the Bangkok nightlife without nasty surprises.
One thing at the beginning: you are guest in a foreign country. Please
behave as you would expect your guests to behave at your
home, and treat the Thais and even more, the girls with respect. Then
you will have some quite rewarding experiences.
General
There are a lot of various locations where entertainment is offered.
This is Patpong, the more expensive area, Soi Cowboy (Soi
20) at Sukhumvit road and Nana Plaza(Soi 4), both close to each other
(two kilometres). A ride with the Tuktuk between Nana
and Cowboy will cost a foreigner between 30 and 50 Baht (locals pay 10).
Soi Cowboy is the more traditional place, whereas at
Nana Plaza always new places open up with new and different ambientes.
Patpong is the famous road where the interesting
shows are performed. In addition lots of different places offer similar
entertainment. There are of course the massage parlours,
the coffee shops and the 'NoHand' restaurants (where the girl will feed
you and your hands can explore the girl in the meantime)..
Hotels
The following hotels (among others) are in the area of Sukhumvit road:
Nana Hotel (Soi 4), cheap (950 Bath), directly opposite the Nana Plaza
The Landmark (three times as expensive), 200 mtrs away from Nana Plaza
Grace Hotel (Soi 3), a bit more expensive than the Nana (970 Baht), 300
mtrs away from Nana Plaza (lots of Arabs there, but 24
hours Coffee Shop, Bowling, Table Tennis, Mini Bar), more pleasant than
the Nana Hotel.
The Amari Boulevard Hotel (Soi 7), better than the Grace hotel, not as
expensive as the Landmark
Even the Bangkok Hilton is only one kilometer away, i.e. a walk of about
20 minutes. But they do not accept visitors in your room
without their ID cards and additional hassle.
All hotels do not object against visitors, the Landmark wants to have
them out of your room before 23 hours.
Some bars even have a small bedroom directly on their premises
(Fantasia). When you do business there, you will get a lot of
applause when you come out again with your girl(s). In addition lots of
boarding houses are available where you can stay for some
hours. I have only used them once. You can get some interesting ones
with mirrors all over the place.
The Program
Business usually starts at Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy around 11 AM, the
first dancing starts typically in one of the clubs at Nana
Plaza at 14 hours. The clubs vary, depending on what rules I do not
know. Some other bars have Happy Hour time between 11
AM until 20 o'clock. Girls are already present at this time in the bars
but not yet much interested in business. Real business starts
between 19 and 20 hours. The program usually means girls dancing on the
stage, mostly topless (Nana Plaza, not that much at Soi
Cowboy), some without any clothes (not in the afternoon). Typically the
girls dance a suite of three to four songs until they get of
the stage again. This way every dance girl will be upstage during the
night. Special programs include popping balls out of their
vulvas, playing with burning candles (dropping wax all over their body),
pulling strings out of their vulvas etc (third floor at Nana
Plaza, the Hollywood Strip). These programs usually start at 23 o'clock.
There is no extra fee for this performance as you will
have to pay at Patpong.
As it is illegal to show bare breasts the bars on the lower level
usually do not offer topless dancing. But before the police reaches
the upper level, the alarm system will guarantee that every girl is
clothed. In addition the police moves typically slowly enough,
they know that there is some compensation in for them anyway. But I have
seen situtations where the police was on every level,
and of course every girl was dressed. The programs are then reduced to
what can be displayed without using tits and vulvas.
Official closing time is two o'clock in the morning. Depending on the
presence of police some bars may continue till three, or even
switch of all external lights and serve drinks till four. When you still
did not find your girl till then go to the 24 hours coffee shops
(Thermae, Soi 13).
The Gogo Bars
All bars have more or less the same construction: A central stage
surrounded by a sill to place your drinks and stools. On the walls
you will find one to three tier rows of seating with a small sill or
small tables in front of you. The walls are all mirrors, which
means that the girls can watch themselves dancing. On the stage there
are a number of poles which the girls use for artistic
activities (which can be quite interesting when the girls are more or
less nude). All bars have extensive sound and light equipment,
and at least once a night you will hear that famous song: 'One night in
Bangkok makes a hard man humble'. I know this is true.
By the way, avoid sitting at the stage. You only see the ankles of the
girls, or you will get cramps in your neck, which is more
likely. The best place to sit is the highest tier, first of all, here
the girls object the least against being handled, and second, you got
the best view.
The Girls
In these bars you will have various different kind of girls: waitresses,
dance girls, "Hello girls" and Mama san. Mama san is
basically the head of the girls (and it makes sense to have a good
relation with her as well. This can save you some trouble, or
even get you some advantages). The waitresses will always be dressed,
but they accept a Ladies Drink as well. You might even
try to invite these girls to your room too. The Hello girl usually sits
outside and tries to entice the customers to enter the bar.
Usually they are quite attractive but clothed and free to negotiate as
well. Most chances to be invited of course have the dance
girls, as they present themselves on stage with all their attributes
plainly visible. Thai girls do not see this kind of business as
something bad. Actually some even tell this as their choice of
profession when they are young (I want to become a prostitute in a
Bangkok bar). Of course there are bad cases where girls are confined in
the bars or hotels. But this typically does not happen in
the tourist bars, this is more in the bars and massage parlours that are
only visited by the local people. Quite some girls come from
border provinces or even neighbour countries like Cambodia and Laos.
Their typical age is between 17 and 26 (18 would be legal,
but I have seen 14 year old girls as well). They help each other a lot,
become friends, so that this business does not hurt them too
much. Still I have seen quite a few girls with cut marks on their
wrists. Thailand is the country with the highest suicide rate in the
world. Most of the girls do not have extensive education, so their
language capabilites are very limited. Nevertheless I have seen
girls speaking Japanese, English and German.
Bar Fine, Ladies Drink and Prices
Usually wherever you enter a bar in the evening one or more girls will
come up to you. In the afternoon (when their work has not
really started), they even leave you alone unless you ask them to join
you. When you do not explicitly tell them to leave they
expect a 'Ladies Drink', i.e. a small cola paid by you after a short
while. They actually will say: 'Cola for me?', even when what
they get can be an orange drink or something similar. Around 50 per cent
of what you pay for that will be their share. Typically
the price for such a drink is 65 Baht at Nana Plaza (60 Baht at Soi
Cowboy, 70 Baht in Patpong). The drinks vary between 40 and
50 Baht during Happy Hour and 60 to 80 Baht in the night. You always
have the choice to buy a girl free from her dancing
activities, so that she stays with you for the rest of the day/night.
This bar fine now is typically between 300 and 400 Baht. When
the bar has already afternoon dancing, the fine paid then is valid only
for the afternoon! . Once you have decided for a girl you are
usually save from further nuisance from other girls (with the exception
that every girl has some friends whom she wants to offer a
bit of fortune as well, i.e. she asks you if you could pay a Ladies
Drink (Cola) for her as well.).
Billing and Paying
You will have a glass/box in front of you where all bills will be saved.
So you will always be able to calculate what you will have to
pay in the end, which you should actually do from time to time to not
run into some nasty surprises. Paying is always in cash, no
credit cards are accepted. The waitress expects a tip of 10 to 50 Baht.
Whenever you pay a Ladies drink, one token is torn of that
respective bill and your lady hides it in some interesting places on her
body.
Money Exchange
Money exchange booths are abundant in these areas. They are open seven
days a week usually until 22 o'clock. Typically
traveller cheques get a better rate than cash. The exchange fee is
small, so you will get nearly the current bank rate for your
money. Thai Farmers bank even accepts Eurocheques. So with you
Eurocheque card you can change as in any European country.
There is no additional charge for getting Baht with Eurocheques. On most
banks and exchange booths you can even cash with
your credit card.
The exchange rate currently is 1DM = 17 Baht, 100 Baht is 6 DM (5,88 DM
to be exact).Actually the Baht is directly connected
to the dollar rate (one Dollar is 25 Baht), which means when you get
more Dollar for you Mark, you will get more Baht as well.
Behaviour
Please remember that you are a guest in a foreign country. Even when you
believe that this kind of business might not require
decent behaviour, Thai people see this differently. You will be treated
with much more respect when you wear appropriate clothes
(jeans and shirts are OK, shorts are out), and you get not too drunk in
the night. In addition there are some basic rules: never touch
anybody on his head (children might tolerate it, but they feel uneasy).
Do not wear shoes when you enter a private house. Do not
point your soles at anybody. And keep your hands of your girl in public.
Affection is not shown outside the bars. This is slowly
changing, especially the bar girls now accept your hand for a walk.
Behaviour in the bar: Try to find a dark corner in the bar. The girls
usually do not like to be handled in the open. But in a dark
corner you can check her out without any objections from her. There are
a few exceptions, girls that do not even dress up again
after their performance on the dance floor. They can make you real hot
in front of all people. Do not bother, for most of them it is
just fun.
In general, you are in the country of smiles. So forget your worries and
be happy. Smile back and you will have much more
success. Being rude does not pay back. Even when the Thai people have a
high tolerance against violence, once you have crossed
that limit, they turn berserk.
Thai girls, love and marriage
In Thailand the first priority is always the family. So all what these
girls do is for themselves and for their family. Typically they
have to support their parents and some brothers or sisters. So they do
this job because they need the money in the first case, and
this is one of the easiest way to get quite a decent amount of that. The
average salary in most offices is between 5000 to 10000
Baht, i.e. US$200 to US$400. Still most of these girls try to hide this
job from their families, but they know anyway.
So even when you believe your girl has fallen in love with you, be
careful. In most cases they just do a great job. This goes as far
as going with you to your country and get married. But she still wants
to support her family. You have to imagine that for a girl
such a marriage is a major step (Imagine yourself to live in Thailand in
a completely different culture. You would gladly have your
holidays there, but you always go back home to your friends and
environment). I have seen girls going back because they could
not live in such a western society, even when they have the financial
security including the support of their family. You have a
good chance that you have a satisfactory relation when you integrate
them as much at possible with your friends, your family and
some other Thai women living near by.
Games and Presents
You can have a lot more fun when you have something to offer to these
girls. You can get a lot of attention when you have
brought even simple things like wrapped sweets. You will be king when
you got some cheap jewellery. Actually the girls will ask
you whether this is from Thailand or the high quality stuff from your
country. And sure, you should lie about the price of that
trinket.
Playing games is just as good. You won't believe what attention I got
when I played around with my laser pointer. As the dancing
girls see themselves in the mirrors on the wall they will notice that
there is some red dot somewhere on their body. Usually some
other girl will ask immediately for that pointer and start her own
playing. After 20 minutes you know most of the girls in the bar.
Photos
It is generally not allowed to take pictures inside the bars. You can
take a photo of your girl outside (of course dressed then), or
try to do this as innocently as possible. A good relation with Mama san
might help. The girls themselves usually do not object, they
even will pose for you. Remember when you use a camcorder in the bar,
you should use Manual Focus because it will not focus
right in the dim light.
How to find the right girl
Be sure in the first case, what you really want, i.e. big breasts, slim
figure, long hair, nice face, outgoing behaviour, English
knowledge, etc..
Girls are abundant, you will always find a nicer/more interesting one
later, so you will never find your ultimate choice.
Try to find English speaking girls. It is more fun when you can talk.
Body language, as nice as this can be, is not sufficient.
Walk around the bars, have a drink in a few of them, just look and find
out what is available. Do not try to have drink in every bar,
there are too many.
It is better to not choose any girl before 21 hours, then everybody is
there and you get the widest selection.
Ask for name (they all have three letter names (nicknames, their real
names are not pronounceable), like Lai, Sow, Dau, Kuk, ...),
age (usually between 17 and 26) and babies. Mothers typically have a lot
of experience, but got belly stripes. They will ask for
your name as well, but do not expect them to remember.
Thai girls do not like to be kissed on the mouth (especially the younger
ones).
Relation
First of all you have to find the girl you want. Usually you have no
choice as the girl(s) chooses you. But when she notices that
you are not interested she typically leaves. Then you are free to look
around. When you find the girl you like just try to get into
visual contact with her. Smiling to her will usually be sufficient to
get her over. Otherwise beckon her to come over or ask Mama
san. As they usually have a number attached to their body you can easily
point them out. Typically you start the relation by paying
the girl her Ladies Drink. This does not mean that you will be fixed on
this girl. You can easily go on the next bar and spend a
Ladies Drink to another girl. Once you have decided to pay the bar fine
you are stuck with your girl.
When you have established a relation the girl expects from you that you
will always come back to her during you stay. First of all
it is her money that she gets from you, and second even in this business
jumping from girl to girl is not appreciated (playing
butterfly). But keep in mind that you might find your girl in the arms
of somebody else when you come the next day. This is their
business, so do not complain. As most of the customers will move on
after a short while, you will get her later again.
When you want to get rid of a girl because you found a better one, try
to avoid the bar the first girl is working. But be not too sure
that she still may find you. Remember that in addition the afternoon
dancing girl can come from different bars in the vicinity. So in
the evening you may find the girl in another place again. And they do
walk around to have a look at the other bars. This implies
that you should not exchange girls from the same bar. The first girl
believes that she was not good enough to you and this causes
her a lot of embarrassment. This can go up to the girl cutting her
wrist.
Do not expect to find the same girl once you come back in six months.
These girls change bars quite often. Then when you do not
have pictures, you would not be able to recognize them again anyway.
(Different hair style, clothes. ...).
Business
Once you have paid the bar fine, you are free to negotiate with the girl
the further activities. You have the options between 'Short
Time'(between 500 and 1500 Baht) and 'Long Time'(between 1000 and 2000
Baht) which is typically twice as expensive. Short
Time means just one visit to your room (or the room in the bar), and
then the girl leaves. Long Time means the girl will stay with
you the whole night and leave early in the morning. You should let her
go, you will meet her again at the bar in the night again
anyway. Keeping her for the day will result in expensive shopping trips.
These girls expect you to shower before business. They do this
themselves as well. They like it clean. Actually when you do this
together it starts the fun already.
Always use condom. According to the statistics 50 per cent of the girls
do have AIDS. Do not play with your life.
Do not be surprised when your girl who dances naked for you in the bar
suddenly is to shy to let you see her naked in your room.
They always wrap themselves in the bathing towel and remove it only
under the blanket. (They actually believe their nakedness is
ugly.) So you will have to do quite some convincing that she is
beautiful even when naked.
You should remember, that being drunk can destroy the fun of it.
They always offer to accompany you to the airport. This is nice, and you
should pay an extra 500 Baht for this. But actually
whether the girl stays with you another 60 minutes will not make any
difference.
Try to look for older girls, they have more experience and
understanding. They are not as tight. Of course it's always an
interesting experience to have an 18 year old gigglish girl in bed with
you, but actually you will have more fun with the older ones.
When you like the friend of your girl you might consider to ask her
along as well. This does not give you any 'butterfly' problems.
You yourself might have some problems keeping up with two girls.
Rules
When you do not plan to spend the day with sightseeing activities, stay
up till the bar closes (2 o'clock in the morning, some now
stay open up to three or four), and sleep long. So you can cut down the
time until the bar opens again.
When you arrive the first day, be careful. You will be too excited to
make your perfect choice (which is impossible anyway). But
typically you will end up with a girl that you want to get rid of next
morning already.
So you walk around the bars, see who are there, have a few drinks, and
finally select somebody with whom you can imagine to
spent the days till you depart.
Toots
You will always be stopped on the street with somebody showing pictures
of beautiful naked girls and be asked 'Massage'. Others
will ask if you want watches (showing pictures of Rolex and other high
value watches), jewellery and tailors.
I never accepted an offer of these people to get a girl from them. It is
much more fun to choose yourself, and actually these guys
will get them from the bars anyway, but more expensive. Nothing is for
free, and they need some money as well. But I must
confess that I did buy some jewelry for $1000 US which was worth $750
only. Even the Thai tourist association (TAT) informs
you that they do not own any jewelry shop or are related in any way.
Concerning watches, they are available on the street
anyway, so do not pay any of these toots.
In addition the taxi driver always will ask whether you have a hotel
room already. Even if you don't, tell them you have a
reservation already, otherwise the hotel is forced to pay them their
commission, which you will have to pay afterwards.
But when you want some special services you can basically ask anybody
(tourist guides, taxi drivers, hotel personal). There is
nothing which is impossible. They will help you, but you will pay for
that of course.
Bargaining
Whenever you buy things in Thailand, negotiate the prize. I have paid
the following prizes:
Rolex watch
850 Baht
Rado watch
350 Baht
Swiss army knife
100 Baht
Wooden Puzzles (Set of four)
500 Baht
Keep in mind that in the typical tourist areas the prizes will be
higher. The best prizes I got at the Night Bazaar in Cjhiang Mai.
Ladyboys
In all these places (Patpong, Nana, Soi Cowboy) you will find at least
one bar with Ladyboys. Do not be surprised, they look like
beautiful ladies, their tits are amazing, and they go with just as well
for Short or Long Time. But when the time comes you may be
in for some real experience. In Nana Plaza this is the bar called
Casanova in the left corner of the second floor.
Pickpockets
As usual in such an environment there will always be some guys/girls who
would take advantage of people being to drunk or
uncautious and steal their property. The police tries to control that as
much as possible, but it always happens (like in other cities
as well). I have met two persons in those 7 years who have had that
experience. So never carry anything you really do not need,
especially no credit cards as they are not accepted anyway, and always
protect your wallet, even when a beautiful lady (/boy)
embraces you or grabs your balls. I know one story from one man who was
still savoring the sensation when he finaly realized
that his money was gone. And by the way, these people do have knifes in
their pockets.
So the best way to protect yourself is to stay as sober as possible, do
not carry any valuables not required, never keep your wallet
in the back pocket and simply avoid potential dangerous situations.
Some Terminology
Thai people have an interesting way to speak English. In addition to
their inability to pronounce the R and L correctly, some even
have problems with the SH. Just ask some girl to tell you the name of
"Hollywood Royal", they break their tongue. Some of their
ideocracies with special relation to the bar life are:
Pom Pom
Sexual intercourse
Pot Poi
Thick belly
Same Same
Same thing
Sha Sha
slowly
Mau
drunk
Falang/Farang
foreigner (long nose)
Sister me, Room me
my sister, my room
Cola for me?
Do you pay me a drink?
Short Time
Short Pom Pom (30 minutes to 2 hours)
Long Time
Pom Pom with stay over night
Bar Fine, Bar Fee
money to be paid to the bar
Some important Thai words
Chok dee
cheers
Shan shob khun
I like you
Mai shob khun
I do not like you
Soie
beautiful
Sawasdee / Sawadee
Hi
Wan ni
today
Waan ni
yesterday
Phrong ni
tomorrow
Nonn duai khon dai mai
May I sleep with you
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My Short Trip to Bangkok - The City of Angels
This document is not intended to give you just the mere facts about
where to go in Bangkok, it tells a little story.
This 3-day-trip happened in June 1995.
Day One
On the flight I read all the information I had printed out from The
World Sex Guide -- I had a lot of expectations for the City of
Angels.
I arrived around five o'clock in the afternoon - a hot day as expected.
As I left the airport a sign 'Taxi to Central: Bath 400'. Much
too expensive I thought. I won't "invest" my money in the taxi business!
So I asked for a bus since I was told that the airport is
around 20 km from downtown. I had a look at the bus map and a beautiful
female student helped me in her broken english to find
the right bus. Line 23 - she said it's 2.50 bath -- almost the 200st
part of the taxi fee. I only had 500 bath bills from the bank, but I
did not hesitate. In the - for sure - not airconditioned bus a
handicapped in blue begged for the bus fee. I offered him three Hong
Kong coins: 0.50 HK$, 1 HK$ and 2 HK$. He took every coin, turned it
around and put it back to my hand. Afterwards he shook
his head. I showed him a 500 Bath bill and again he shook his head.
After two minutes he came back and wanted to see the coins
again. He had a very close look and decided to take the HK$ 1 coin
(which is around 3 Bath), looked again at his new coin and
put it finally in his purse.
The expected traffic jams that Bangkok is famous for came very soon.
After a while a very pretty young girl sat down next to me
and I smiled at her. The third smily she answered, but she left the bus
early.
I left the bus at a station which was announced as 'central', but it
wasn't. So I had a look around in the shops and finally took a cab
to Sukumvit Road, which a friend who lived two years in Bangkok had
suggested. The cab was much cheaper than 400 Bath. He
dropped me at a hotel at Soi (=street) Nana (or Soi 3 at Sukumvit). I
checked five hotels in a row which were 400 Bath, 800 Bath,
600 Bath and 300 Bath per single bed per night. I took the last one in
'Holiday Plaza' with private Toilet/Shower and aircondition.
But it was 6th floor without lift, that is why it is that cheap. The
hotel is run by a couple of indian guys.
I walked down Sukumvit Road to look for some girls. There were many
street markets selling food, fruit, weapons, handcuffs, T
shirts, buddahs, ..., but not a single girl to be seen on the street, no
bars here.
After a small dinner I decided to see some tits and to take a cab to Pat
Pong, which is the tourist sex area (lets call it 'red light
district') of Bangkok. There were lots of people - everyone is asking
you to come in/up. I was most impressed of the razor blade
show, so I went to one of the upstairs bars that offered the show. But:
the show was just at the end. Next one starting in one hour.
OK, I had a beer and looked at the nude dancing girls: old, fat, boring,
no smile. Just one was there I liked a little bit. I had to
change my place to see her since the four or five girls never change
their position neither did they turn around. I left very soon.
Than there was a really heavy rain shower and I still hadn't seen the
razor blades coming out of the pussy. I went to another
upstairs bar which had a 'King' sign at the door. I was told only to go
to the bars which belong to the king group - the others may
have nepp. OK, I was upstairs and out of the rain. I sat down and asked
for a beer. Immediately there were two girls around me.
I had not even time to dry my wet glasses and they asked me to for a
drink. I said OK to the right girl and 'sorry' to the left and
she got a small coke. While drying my glasses I saw the girl on the
stage having a razorblade string in her hand: here it was, the
razorblade show. I hurried to put my glasses on the nose and to move the
people standing between me and the stage to the side.
She moved the string very fast outside the pussy, standing there with
the legs almost closed. The show was over before it began. I
asked the girl to my left if this is a trick and she said 'sure'.
The right girl did not stop asking me for a drink. And this is what I
really hate. The show went on but was really boring. I don't
know why everyone writes about those fantastic shows? Where are they?
Every sex show I've seen in my life was better than
this. Are these reports written by prudish americans that never have
been to Europe (Amsterdam) and that see the first sex show
of their life? I had enough and wanted to go home, asked for the bill
and was shocked: 700 Bath: 400 for the show (which is
usually free if you drink beer), 2x100 for two lady drinks (I only
accepted one) and 100 Bath for my beer. Really nepp.
It was late and I was very tired from the day and I wanted to go back to
my hotel. A cab driver offered a ride and asked where
the hotel is. He asked for 150 Bath (the taxi from hotel to Pat Pong had
beend 49 Bath). I laughed at him and stopped another
Meter Taxi on the road.
Back in the hotel I read all the information I brought to Bangkok and
found out that I'm in the heart of the city: Only a few meters
away from all the action: Hotel Nana, Grace Hotel, Nana Entertainment
Center, Soi Cowboy, Sukumvit Road, Thermae Coffee
Shop, ... Now I knew what to do the next day.
The next day
Since one of the information sources mentioned that the coffee shop of
the Grace Hotel has girls even on daytime I decided to
have breakfast there. Only 30 meter from my hotel was the Grace Hotel.
And the information was right: Even at noon there are a
few girls, I counted 6 or 7 -- all of them not very nice or too old. A
couple asked me to sit at their table when I entered. One of the
older girls sat down next to me and talked to me for five minutes until
she offered a massage. The coffee was strong and the
chicken sandwich relatively expensive. I decided to come back in the
evening to verify the information that after 9pm the coffee
shop is overcrowded.
I walked down Soi Nana to check out the Hotel Nana coffee shop: Even
more expensive, but no girls at this time. Some other
coffee shops on that road were emtpy, too.
On my way back on the same street I found a hotel with a coffee shop and
a massage parlor. Since it was very hot outside I
decided to test the massage. I asked the fat man at the counter how much
it is and he said it is 1000 Bath including everything --
which was not true as I found out later. As in the reports I had read
before, the girls sat behind a window: four woman between
25 and 35 - most of them not attractive. He suggested No. 69, which was
indeed the most acceptable one -- and it is my favorite
number AND position. So I took her. I payed the 1000 Bath and the fat
man asked me if I would like to drink something. I asked
how long the "massage" takes and he said up to two hours. I ordered a
drink for me and her which was 100 Bath together.
The room was large, had a bath tub, king size bed with lots of mirrors.
I undressed her and she undressed me. She never smiled or
laughed. We both entered the hot bath tub and she washed me carefully
and then herself. Then she prepared some bath foam in a
bin, puted it onto an airbed in front of the bath tub, and invited me to
lay down. Than she applied the legendary massage without
hands: She massaged me with her body: her breast and very much with her
pubic bone. But after 10 minutes it was over. She tried
to give me a blow job, but she was that bad that I did not even get an
erection. I thought about helping her with thinking at
something really nice, but then I thought "what for do I pay?". After
five minutes successless blowing I asked her to postpone
that. We dried each other and went to the bed. She expected to get
fucked immediately but I thought if I can stay for up to two
hours, than I want a real massage. I laid down on my front and she was
astonished that I expect a back massage. She started and
it was really painful, because she did not use any lubricant. I asked
her for oil. Again she was astonished: "You want an oil
massage?" She picked up a little oil bottle from her bag. Than the
massage was much better - even though I have had a lot of
better massages. She did not even know that muscles are massaged and not
bones. After 15 minutes I was much more relaxed
and thought about the number of the girl. And she was worth that number.
Then I asked for a condom and fucked her for another
30 minutes. Her face looked like she was feeling a lot of pain, even
when I licked her softly.
She blocked my way when I wanted to leave the room and asked for a tip.
I gave her 600bath. All together not a good
experience.
I walked up Sukumvit Rd. to find one of these number hotels, about which
I had read so much interesting stories. At the end of
Sukumvit is a small street under the highway, it would be called Nana 0,
but there was no street name and no cars, but a long line
of open pubs. Most of them were closed at this time, so I planned to
come back in the evening. I walked around in the heat, but
could not find any number hotel, even with a very good description of
the place. Where are they? I got a slitly headache from the
heat.
After dinner I got back to Nana 0 at Sukumvit, how I will call this
area. Nobody reported about it before. I walked down all the
street to browse the pubs first. Many beautiful young woman were smiling
at me and giving me a sign to come closer. I made my
final decision - even it was hard - and had a beer. I talked to a very
nice girl which spoke excellent english and said she is 24. Like
all of them she looked much younger. We talked about 15 minutes and she
did not ask for a drink. This is what I like very much
about this place, it is very relaxed, nobody forces you to anything. The
beer is cheap (around 50 bath) and the music was good. I
offered her a drink and after another 30 minutes I invited her for
overnight. She was shy and she looked as if she had never done
something like this before. Just when we were about to go I mentioned a
very young girl in the bar, very beautiful, I asked my
company how old she is and she answered '18'. I really want to see this
girl again. I will come back tomorrow.
The hotel has two entrances, so I could get the key without having
anyone see her. And it is only an 8 min walk from this area. It
took a lot of arguing until she agreed to shower together. She was very
tender and offered excellent relaxed service. We made a
lot of jokes and had a lot of fun together. After I reached climax she
asked me to continue to fuck her, and it seemed to me that
she needed a few more seconds to come herself. Is it really true that
these girls have fun with a client? It seems yes. She was
really good! The next morning a last time intercourse until I kissed her
good bye. She did not ask for money. When I asked her
how much, she said it depends on you what you give me. I gave her 1100
bath.
This day I did not walk in the heat: I saved my energy for the night. I
walked around a bit in the late afternoon, again tried to find a
number hotel, again without any success. And then at around eight
o'clock I went back to my Nana 0 to meet that 18 year old girl.
Her english was not very good so I did not talk to her for a long time
and asked her soon to come with me to my hotel for a short
time, since I wanted to check the Grace Hotel Coffee shop later on and
because my plane would leave very early the next day
and I would have to get up before 5am.
This girl was very, very shy. I could not manage this time to shower
with her. After shower she went to my king size bed and put
the blanket over her head. I touched and kissed her for a long time
before I removed her slip. I took really a long time and it seems
she has not done this very often before - she had not even condoms with
her (but she wanted to use some). Neither did she have
a bag for her personal things. Not very common. Even though she was
inexperienced it was my best experience in Bangkok. I
really had the feeling I loved her and I lost a tear. For heaven sake
this did not last long.
I was too tired to go over to Grace Hotel - so I had a short sleep till
next morning. Even at 4.45am in the morning I had a traffic
jam in front of my hotel - unbelievable. The cab only took 20 minutes to
the airport, because we took the express way, which is
only 2 blocks from Nana 3. In the airplane I sat next to a businessman
who said he lives at Sukumvit, too, but needed one hour
more.
Yes, I'll definitely come back to the City of Angels.
M.
Doctor Moon Ray
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Date: Sun, 22 Oct 1995 12:23:18 GMT
[The following is a true account of my vacation in Bangkok, Thailand]
Left home at 6:30am, after having been up all night, and took BART to
Daly City then 3X bus to SFO.
Boarded Korean Air Flight 19 to Seoul at 10:15am. 12 hour plus
flight. Spent time trying to sleep and reading the Lonely Planet's
guide to South-East Asia.
Arrived in Seoul at 2pm Tuesday through the magic of the international
date line and waited at the airport for five hours for the flight to
Bangkok.
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Finally left Seoul for Bangkok. 5 1/4 hour flight. Spent most of it
chatting with a middle aged Jewish woman from Washington DC/NYC.
Flight rather scary due to roller coaster level turbulence combined
with intense lightning that would at times light up the entire sky to
nearly daylight.
Arrived in Bangkok, passed through customs fast, changed a $100
traveler's
check for about 2500 baht and took a meter taxi to the Crown Hotel. Had
to
tell the driver several times to start the meter; he wanted to haggle
the
fee.
Checked into Crown at almost midnight and paid for 4 nights in advance.
Got a second floor air conditioned room for 540 baht a night. Put money
and TC's into safe deposit box. Through force of habit, kept my wallet
with my credit cards in my pants back pocket.
Walked around Bangkok neighborhood (Sukhumvit Road, downtown) and
located
several landmarks (after a few attempts). Bought 4.5 liters of bottled
water for 39 baht at the local AM/PM Mini-Mart.
Bangkok very hot, humid, dirty, with a faint smell of rotting garbage,
like
walking through a sauna or armpit. I'd apparently chosen a particularly
ripe evening for my arrival.
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Got up about 11am. Showered and walked to the nearby Ambassador Hotel
for
a buffet lunch. Sampled a variety of Thai food, drank a lot of water.
Walked up and down Sukhumvit shopping a little. The sidewalk is packed
with vendors and taxi drivers hustling for business. Every imaginable
variety of wristwatch and cigarette lighter is on display for sale.
Went back to hotel sweaty from walk. Read travel books while maids
changed the room.
After taking a nap, headed out again about 8pm to find Soi Cowboy.
It was what I expected but could not find any upstairs shows, just
downstairs topless. Checked out a number of them before choosing one.
Singha beer 55 baht, topless girls dancing on stage around verticle,
fire pole like, bars.
One petite, wild, party girl type had my attention, though she didn't
notice me. Afterwords, I was sitting outside when she came out in
street clothes, and I engaged her. She was friendly and willing so
I took her back to my hotel, 300 baht bar fine.
Apparently she wasn't often hit on. Not the prettiest there, and
she seemed to communicate that the other girls thought that I'd
pick one of them.
She never tried to set a price. We didn't discuss money, all I said
was I wanted all night.
I had her twice (throughout my stay I always protected myself, drawing
on two economy sized boxes of Trojan-Enz condoms with spermicidal
lubricant
that I had brought along). She had completely smooth brown skin. Her
only
body hair was a thin fine patch right at her pussy, which was very
tight.
Her breasts were also quite small, but nice and firm. She said she was
19
and it seemed possible. She said she was from Cambodia and was half
Khmer;
wouldn't tell me the other half -- could be Chinese.
Afterwards she wanted to leave and so I paid her 200 baht, saying it
was for "short time."
I made my way back to Soi Cowboy for another girl. On the way there
I turned around and walked back up Sukhumvit after realizing I had
missed the foot bridge, which is the only safe way of crossing the
street.
A well dressed girl asked me what time it was. When she came up to me
she hugged me. And when I released her and said I wasn't interested
she got into a taxi. And then I realized she had taken my wallet.
Fortunately nearly all of my money was in my hotel safe deposit box.
She managed to get about $60 in U.S. and Thai money and a $100 dollar
traveler's check, plus my driver's license, visa card, 2 gas cards,
ATM card and some less important ones (AAA, pac bell, etc.).
This seriously bummed me out and I went for the police but the nearest
ones didn't speak English. I started to go to the station but thought
forget it, it's gone, and I went back to my hotel. I then ended up
spending about $170 on international long distance calls to cancel
the three cards. Had to call US information because I didn't have
the numbers. Visa said 2 to 4 days to have a new card sent to my
hotel. My chevron card I was able to cancel, my unocal I don't
know since they only had a 1-800 number to do it and you can't dial
those overseas. I ended up leaving a message on someone's voicemail.
I hope that was enough. A number of obvious lessons in this experience.
Number one, only carry the absolute minimum you need to go out, no
unnecessary card, etc., and don't use your back pocket.
If I get my new visa at the hotel in a couple of days I think this
vacation, in terms of additional travel plans, is salvageable.
After all the calls, I went back to Soi Cowboy, had another couple of
beers, talked a little to a guy in a karoke bar (it was upstairs and I
was hoping for girls). At another bar I sat and watched the show.
The girls were ok, no real stunners. In general, I don't find Thai
girls particularly more beautiful than others, in fact quite a range
of ethnic characteristics.
A girl at the second bar was all over me. She wore a full length
black dress, rather conservative. Was laughing a lot, said she
did not speak English. After a while of this I became sleepy - 2am
and three beers total and then back to my hotel to call it a night.
Yet to experience any jet lag from the 17 hours flying and 5 hours
in the airport.
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Didn't get up until noon but woke up a couple of times in the middle
of the night and took a while to fall back to sleep. Loud air
conditioner
always on in my room.
Showered, shaved, and went to the Ambassador again for another big
buffet
lunch. Afterwards, shopped (didn't by anything) and took a long walk.
My shirt was thoroughly drenched with sweat when I got back to my hotel.
Bought two more 1.5 liter bottles of water.
Studied travel books and then went out about 8pm to Soi Nana Plaza.
Checked
out clubs, finally settled on one -- Lollipop. Picked up a fully
dressed
girl sitting next to me, 300 baht bar fine.
Took her back to my hotel and found out why she doesn't dance -- major
stretch marks and a belly from when she was pregnant. Had her once,
short time, again no discussion of money until after it was over. Since
this was even less than the last girl, I figured 200 baht was more than
enough. She didn't think so -- she wanted, insisted on 1000 baht. I
said no way and offered her 300, she said 700, I said 500 and absolutely
no more (this to me was way too much). She took it but was extremely
pissed. Said I was through at Soi Nana and walked off. I followed her
out. A cop was in the lobby and she tried to turn him on me. I said
500 baht *short time* and he finally just let me go, had us go separate
directions. Bad experience. But finally learned, make sure the amount
is agreed on *ahead* of time.
Continued out and headed for Pat Pong by meter taxi. Very crowded,
caught a couple of decent pussy shows -- shooting bananas, blowing
horns, and exploding caps.
Went to Pussy Galore and a couple of cute girls one very young (said
she was 19, looked younger) both under 5 ft tall, immediately crowded
me at a seat and became very friendly. I tried to keep my hands off
them to avoid having to pay for lady drinks, eventually I did anyway
because they were spending so much time with me and I liked their
attention. In the end I chose the younger one and she wanted 1500 baht
to cover the bar fine, hotel, and her. I didn't have enough said I
could do no better than 1200. Finally left alone and checked out other
clubs. Went into a ripoff place and had to pay 500 baht for a beer.
Left immediately, feeling I had had enough for one night.
Went through five meter taxis -- none would turn on their meters.
Finally
took one for 100 baht, not too much more than the 70 or so had he turned
on the meter.
Went back to hotel but was only 11pm. Watched TV for about 10 minutes
and decided I had to go out again even though I didn't have enough
money to pay for a girl (all the money exchange places had since
closed).
Went back to Soi Naa and settled on a place at the end (my criteria is
at least some of the dancing girls have to completely naked) and started
drinking beer. Girls not really friendly but I didn't mind too much,
the more beer I had the friendly I got. One of the bartenders and a
waitress were really cute. Met an Italian lawyer in his forties or so
and we talked about the cost of apartments in San Francisco. The
highlight of the evening was for one 60 baht lady drink I had a
completely nude girl on my lap, lying on top of me almost with my
hands free to go anywhere. Also an obvious ladyboy there who I started
teasing a little as I got more drunk -- let her(him) beat me at arm
wrestling, etc. Finally at about 2am went home. Talked to British
guy on way out who said he works in Bangkok. He recommended Cebu
in The Philippines for cute young girls.
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Woke up about 7am, couldn't get back to sleep. Finally got up about 9.
Showered, shaved, had pizza and coffee at the AM/PM Mini Mart. Bought
a bus map and on the advice of clerks took the number 8 (air
conditioned)
to the Wat Pho temple to check out the giant reclining Buddha. Met
an Australian girl on the bus. She said she is living in Bangkok
studying
art at some university. Got to Wah Pho or somewhere near. Then taken
in
by a minor (and apparently, as I later read, very common) tourist scam.
A tuk tuk driver insisted the temple was closed between 1 and 2pm for
prayer ceremonies. I believed him (sort of). He said for 10 baht he'd
take me to the Golden Mountain temple and Thai Expo show in the mean
time. Didn't seem I could lose for 10 baht, so I agreed. The temple
"mountain" was a winding bunch of stairs leading to a golden peak. To
gain entrance beyond was another 10 baht. Bought a post card and
read on a sign that a Buddha "relic" was supposedly interred at the
temple.
The Expo show was nothing -- just a lot of jewelry I couldn't afford,
though a Thai fellow I met at the temple said it was very cheap. He was
apparently also in on the scam, encouraging me to buy. Said he was from
Chiang Mai and recommended it for hiking. Said it was cooler than
Bangkok.
The Tuk tuk driver then took me to Wat Pho where upon a second driver
started
giving me the same line about it being closed. I ignored him and walked
around until I could find the entrance, went in, paid 10 baht, asked
where
to go to find the reclining Buddha (it's a large sprawling temple with
many shrines). Found it, checked it out, was suitably impressed and
bought some more post cards and had a soda (it was a typically hot,
humid day and I was conscious of the need to frequently drink water
and soft drinks to stave off dehydration from all this walking). Then
walked to the National Museum and looked at their exhibits: a lot of
models of palaces, and a lot of Buddha statues, also some more
historical
stuff: guns, cannons, uniforms, thrones, etc. Left and walked to
nearby Thammasat University to see if I could find an internet
connection
and send an "e-mail postcard" back home to work. Couldn't find anyone
who understood the word "Internet" so left and tried to take the canal
taxi tour. Instead ended up only crossing the Chao Phraya River a
couple
of times. Then just walked around shopping. It was refreshing to be
in this part of Bangkok, away from other tourists. I went along the
sidewalks, completely congested with vendors and other people, for many
blocks not passing another white person.
Finally decided to go back to my hotel. Wanted to use the bus again.
A lady said I should use the number 11 which I did. The bus was
completely
packed with people (all Thai, apparently, but me). The traffic was also
very heavy and there were periodic heavy thunder storms while waiting.
Got back, rested a few minutes, went out to McDonalds for dinner and
came back. Still no mail, expecting visa card.
Went to Soi Nana. Met a girl named Aom, 500 baht short time, 300
baht bar fine. She was very nice and seemed honest. Agreed to pay
her another 1000 baht for all night. She said she had to go straighten
out a friend who was saying bad things about her. She ended up taking
her to the hospital. I spent time waiting for her at Thermae and at
Soi Cowboy talking to a girl outside a club. Went back to Crown, got
a phone call, she said she'd be another hour. Got tired of waiting
and went to bed. She shows up after 3am and I have her a couple of
more times that night. We have lunch the next day at the Ambassador.
She said she's going home to sleep but would see me tonight at Soi Nana.
Wrote postcards afterwards. Not enough stamps, will mail tomorrow.
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Shopped around a bit looking for stamps, ate at McDonalds. About 6:30pm
ended up in front of Thermae and noticed the massage sign. Having
been pestered with so many massage offers, thought I'd give it a try,
plus trip wouldn't be complete without.
400 baht up front for massage, then I looked through a one way glass to
choose from a room full of girls sitting in evening gowns watching TV.
I pick #83. Incredibly cute and tiny, only 140 cm and 38 kilos. Just
a really sweet, adorable girl with a doll like face. I really wish I
had a camera.
We agree on 750 baht for anything else I wanted and she proceeds to
bathe
me in a large tub, massage me, and we make love. The cutest girl I've
had so far. Her only physical flaw was having had a baby. Her stomach
sagged and was a mess of stretch marks, plus she had a huge scar going
all the way across her lower abdomen, an apparent surgical attempt to
take some of it in. Really ugly.
The massage was a great deal, lasting some 2 1/2 hours. Afterwards, I
wandered back to the hotel for a little bit. When I decided to go out
again it was almost 10 and the one nearby money exchange booth I knew
of open this late would soon close. I grabbed $150 in traveler's
checks and went there but they had decided to close about 10 minutes
early. After asking around and trying a couple of hotels, I was told
the only place you could go this late for money exchange was Pat Pong.
So I took a tuk tuk over there (60 baht).
I exchanged my checks for baht and decided to check out a few of the
upstairs clubs. Finally settled on one (a King's group club, I
think) and on sitting down was immediatly hit on by a bar girl.
She also must've been under five feet. But she had huge grapefruit
sized breasts (natural) and a fat belly and very little pubic hair.
I immediately gave her 20 baht directly. This allowed me to fondle
her without having to buy her a 70 baht lady drink, from which she'd
make about the same anyway. Although I liked her body, she had kind
of a harsh, hard edge to her that a I didn't care for. Her natural
facial expression seemed almost to be a snear.
I finally gave in to her persistence and paid 250 for a room in the
club and 700 for her, short time (Pat Pong prices). The room was
hardly more than a large closet with a single bed and a sink at the
foot. I had her a couple of times there. Ok. Needed a bigger room
and a sweeter girl.
I went back for another beer (always Singha) and watched her begin
to take her turn dancing. She gave me her stuff to watch. As she
danced I noticed a thin, tallish, Chinese looking girl on stage,
naked and with a bald pussy. I moved around to sit right in front
of her as she danced.
When she finished, I also bought her short time (500 baht). I
just had to get my mouth on that perfectly smooth 'tang of hers,
which I did. She said she was 18, was half Chinese, half Thai, and
was quite tight, though not very responsive. She definitely was not
enjoying this. The first girl I had Thailand who was like this.
Realizing her feelings, I stopped, it was no longer enjoyable and
began to look at her and hold her. She seemed very unhappy. On
both of her forearms she had many deep scars going across for the
entire length. I asked about them, did she do this, and she nodded,
an apparent suicide attempt. She also showed me the bruise above
her right eye, where her half-sister, whom she lived with, had hit
her. All in all, just a very sad situation. I stayed with her
and held and comforted her on my lap wishing I could do something,
until finally her sister came and she had to leave. I gave her
my hotel address and she said she'd come at 11pm tomorrow, though I
didn't expect her to show; she seemed like a virtual slave.
I went out and wandered around Pat Pong, checking out the vendors
who completely take over the streets. I bought a 1 1/2 liter bottle
of 7-Up at the 7-11. I had lost my taste for beer and girls.
I finally took a tuk tuk back to Soi Nana (60 baht) to see if I could
find Aom, the girl I had spent the previous night with, at the Pretty
Girl club. She wasn't there so I just hung out outside, casually
flirting with the girls and drinking 7-Up. Aom came by after a while
and was glad to see me. She wanted to go all night again for 1500
baht plus the bar fine. This is way too much for me given how much
I've already spent and my present mood. I say no, 500 all night is
all I can afford. This she couldn't accept and insisted on 1500, saying
part goes back to the club and part to her mother, she couldn't go any
cheaper. I said I understood, but am unable to afford it, maybe
another guy can. She became angry with me but said nothing. She
finally went back into the club to dance, occasionally coming back
out (sometimes in a g-string and nothing else) to check on me. I
continued to hang out outside and started to talk to this big chubby
Thai girl who's there to entice men into her club. I stayed there
some time nursing a beer until her club closed, about 3am. She
wouldn't go with me back to my hotel, saying she doesn't go out with
men. She probably also doesn't get many offers. So I left and headed
over to Thermae, rather tired at this point.
I go in the back and check out the crowd of free lance hookers. I
buy a cola for 20 baht and mingle, soon seeing another tiny girl.
She's also only about 4'9" but not as cute as the masseuse, but
still a very tight firm little lady. I take her back to my hotel
for 500 baht all night, best deal yet.
After undressing her, I just marvel at her cuteness. She says she's
20 but people think she's 16 because of her size. I have her twice
that night and just can't get over how adorable she looks. I don't
eat her much, though, because of her rather thick long bush of pussy
hair. This I tell her is too much and that less is better.
She sleeps in saying she's tired and I leave her there and go off to
lunch and shop a little. When I come back it's almost 2pm and she's
still there sleeping. I sit at the desk and put stamps I just bought
on postcards and study a small Thai phrase book.
A half hour later she finally wakes and I have her once more, she's
very orgasmic. Then for amusement I get out some tweezers and start
pulling out her pubic hair one at a time. She doesn't mind and even
tells me I missed one. I manage to deforest the upper third of her
mons before she's had enough.
We talk and cuddle a bit more, she fits perfectly on my lap, before
she dresses. I give her her 500 baht and another 50 for the taxi
and walk her to the street, bringing along my postcards to mail.
More shopping. Bought a drink at the Dunkin' Donuts and another
3 large bottles of water at the AM/PM. I go back to the hotel
and take a nap.
~~~~~~~~~~~~
After a nap I wait for the girl from Pat Pong to show and make a
long diary entry. About 1:30am I go again to Thermae. Many average
to ugly girls there this time, maybe because it's Sunday and not
Saturday night. Also too many men. The effect is to jack up the
prices and I'm unable to find any cute girls willing to go all
night for only 500 baht. Most want 1000 or 1500.
I decide to sit at a booth and just wait them out, spending my time
casually talking to the many girls who come to sit with me. Some
two hours later I start talking to a girl, also quite small. She's
older, 37, divorced, and has two children, but seems to be a genuine,
honest, nice person. She also has a very cute little body and an ok
face, though she does look her age. Her name is Malay and I like her
and take her back to my hotel for all night for 500 baht. I have
her three times that night and the next morning. She is a very
friendly, affectionate, warm person who seems genuinely attracted to
me. Very different from the other girls. And she doesn't ask about
money either. I really enjoy her company.
I'm unable to get any sleep, though. The previous day's nap combined
with the 14 hour time difference and my own insomniactic tendencies
make it impossible. In the morning we take a bath together.
The next day she says she has to go back to her place to do laundry
before she starts work again at Soi Cowboy that evening. She invites
me over to eat and have a nap and I say ok.
We take a 45 baht meter-taxi ride over to her apartment complex. She
lives in a single room with a roommate and together they pay 3600
baht a month. Sometimes 3700 if they use the TV and phone.
The room is very small. Big enough for a double bed against one corner
and a tiny desk and table against the other walls, just a few feet
to walk around and my head is dangerously close to the overhead fan.
The bathroom combines a shower, sink, and toilet, the shower facets
against one wall with the sink and toilet attached to the shower
floor which is two inches lower to keep the water in. Very compact.
The room does have its own little balcony opening onto a courtyard
with a nice fourth floor view. All in all, rather cozy.
When we arrive at her building we meet her roommate outside near one
of the little vending booths in the complex. She's 31, taller and
prettier. They're both ethnic Khmers and are from the same village
outside Buriram. After 4 and 7 years of school, respectively, they
were both put to work in the rice patties.
The two of us go up to her room and her roommate arrives a little
later. We talk some and order "room service" -- a plate of Khao
Phat Kai (fried rice with chicken and a fried egg and a few slices
of cucumber and some scallion onions). I emphasize that it has to
be served hot enough so I won't get sick. Her roommate has a kind
of noodle soup which I pass on for fear of illness.
Her roommate works at the Happy House massage parlor, Soi 1, and
after eating the three of us lie together on the bed, for me
a very comfortable situation.
Malay tells me that she and her roommate being together today is
unusual; their working hours usually allow them to see very little
of each other and she invites me to move out of my hotel and live
with her in her room. I think about it and pass, not ready to get
tied into all this.
We make love again in the afternoon while her roommate sleeps beside
us. I'm also unable to resist fondling her roommate who all along
shreaks saying "I'm shy, I'm shy" but for 1000 baht is willing not to
be. I pass and instead satisfy myself with the cheap thrill.
Still unable to get any sleep, I finally dress and leave about 3pm,
leaving the Malay a 500 baht bill. I take a 40 baht motor bike taxi
ride back to my hotel to try to sleep a little and see if my visa
card came in the mail.
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Still no visa card. I hang out until evening and then go to Soi Cowboy
to see Malay again. She says she didn't expect to see my again but
is glad. I have a couple of beers and pay out her bar fine and we
go back to my hotel.
We're both very tired and so just sleep. We bathe each other the next
day and I give her 500 baht and taxi fare saying I have to run some
errands, but would see her at her place tonight -- she won't go to
Soi Cowboy so no bar fine to pay. I try unsuccessfully to access my
Bank of America account from a Bangkok branch and then go home.
About 8pm I take a motor bike taxi to Malay's apartment. I shower,
wash my hair and she washes my shirt and underware. We make love
again on her bed. Soon afterwards, her roommate arrives saying she
just came back from Pattaya, having taken a trip there with an
old (47) farang. It was supposed to be three days but she bailed
after two. She wants to go to Pat Pong to a disco and invites me
also. I'm not interested. Pat Pong is too expensive, with too many
tourists, and I don't feel like staying out all night dancing. They
begin chatting in their Thai dialect Khmer for a few minutes before
I decide to begin dressing to leave.
With our understanding being 500 baht for all night, I certainly
don't expect to pay Malay that much for this short time visit. But
as I head for the door I'm blocked and that much is demanded of me,
her roommate saying she herself is paid 1000 baht by farangs. I
refuse and Malay accepts 250. An ugly situation that quickly
destroys a lot of good will. I leave thinking that's it and feel
sad having thought she was different. Having no interest now in
cruising go-go bars, I go back to sleep alone that night.
~~~~~~~~~~~~
I call back to the U.S. to find out where my visa card is. I've
since learned to simply ask for the AT&T operator at the hotel
and then bill the call to my calling card. Still a 40 baht charge.
The visa people say the card was sent out but that Thailand UPS
was unable to deliver it for some reason. They say they'll try
again and pay special attention in tracking it, sending it out
today. I should call back in two days to check the status.
I go back to Soi Cowboy in the evening and wait for Malay to see
if anything can be repaired. She finally shows up at almost 9pm
and says it's over. Apparently, her roommate convinced her I was
taking advantage of her, getting her too cheap, though I'd been
completely honest all along. I decide to let it go and move on.
Where there's one there's another and I'm free now to pick again.
I walk over to Soi Nana and have a couple of beers watching the show
and waiting for the hour to be late enough to go to Thermae.
About 11pm I head over and camp out at a booth with a 20 baht cola.
After a couple of hours and a number of easy and hard flirtations,
I settle on a cute young girl who sits down with me. She's wearing wire
rim glasses and a skirt, looking very much like a school girl of 16,
but she says she's 22 and produces a Thai passport to prove it.
After talking a bit she agrees to go back to my hotel all night for
500 baht. After the last two girls, I never intend to pay more.
Her name is Nuch (Nuke) and she's also a Khmer girl from Biriram,
though she says her Thai is better than her Khmer.
She's not exactly a knockout and had I stayed longer at Thermae I knew
I could've done better, but I accept her. She doesn't quite have the
sweetness I find attractive, in fact she has a harsh, rough, almost
streetwise manner to her, also a kind of horse voice one might have
after a long cigarette habit, though she doesn't smoke. She does
have an odor to her, though, that doesn't yield to a thorough shower.
My guess is a diet heavy in spicey Thai food plays some part, since
I seem to smell garlic among other things.
For such a rough girl she says I'm only the second may she's ever
been with. The other was also a farang, a relationship that didn't
work out. Hard to believe for a 22 year old Thai girl, though again,
her features aren't striking. She has a roundish face and fairly
round eyes. She says she's 151 cm tall and her skin is a brownish
tan, very smooth and hairless.
And her skin is what I focus on when I get her back to my hotel. For
after undressing her I see it is completely smooth all over. None
under her arms to shave and only a small patch on her pussy. As before,
my desire is to remove this and I get out my tweezers and start working.
I manage to remove all but an inch square area above her vulva. This
I simply trim off and then shave, telling her it will itch when the
stubble grows back. Without hair her pussy looks very tight, a perfect
crease down the middle, very inviting for my tongue with which I
proceed to enjoy.
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We make love about 4 times that night and the next morning, my large
supply of spermicidally lubed condoms holding steady. About 12:30
we dress and head out for lunch at McDonalds. She has invited me
to come to her place on Soi 21 where she lives with her sister, an
aunt, a cousin, and some other relatives. I decide to go just for
the experience of how the locals live.
She lives in quite a bit more a state of squalor than Malay. It's
a three level building partitioned into small rooms with doors
connecting everything and a long balcony, almost communal like. Her
aunt works by doing laundry for everyone else in the building and
provides Nuch money from this. A rather depressing state of poverty,
though they seem happy.
We stay a while, just so I could cool off a bit from the humid day
before
going off again in a meter taxi to visit a cousin at his highrise
office downtown. After much walking back and forth and asking
directions
we locate the building and get there only to find he's left for the
day. A rather foolish odyssey. We go back to my hotel where she soon
crawls into bed fully clothed and falls fast asleep. I've since
decided I've had enough of her, just not my type of girl, and wonder
how to bring this to a not too ungraceful end. She seems genuinely
attracted to me and the only thing she's asked for so far is for
taxi fare and food.
~~~~~~~~~~~~
After letting Nuch sleep a couple of hours I decide to wake her and
send her on her way. It's about 5pm. I sense her disappointment
that this is the end, but she keeps a brave face and takes it mostly
in silence. I hug her and say goodby and give her her 500 baht and
an extra 10 baht for the bus ride back down Sukhumvit. She leaves
me her Buriram address (she'll be visiting family there in a few
days) and asks me to write. I try not to promise anything but do
say I'll always remember her.
After she leaves, I shave, do some reading and head out to exchange
some traveler's checks for baht and have dinner. Tonight, the
downstairs
"Food Court" at Robinson's department store.
About 8:30 I go to Soi Nana to spend the evening with a bottle of Singha
or three and watch the go go girls. Until my visa card comes I'm
playing
very "cheap charlie" with my money and refuse all company, not wishing
to pay for any lady drinks. The management does not seem to appreciate
my anti-social nature but after more than two hours and three beers
at 180 baht, I think I've paid for my seat.
Around 11:15 I go over to Thermae again to once again engage in a now
familiar drill: a 20 baht cola, a seat at a booth, and making polite
but direct overtures to the girls there, looking for a decent one
that'll go all night for only 500 baht.
I always go with the expectation this will be as much a feat of
endurance as anything, willing to camp out past 4am to find such
a girl. Again, though, it proves easier than I expect, and I leave
with female company before 1am.
Before this girl I had talked to many who would go "short time" but
not all night. Her name was Lat (or La, she's not sure), she's 27
and has a 7 year old son who is being raised by his grandmother
(her mother). And she's never been married. I make a note to make
sure the next one doesn't have a kid, although they tend to be younger
and only interested in money.
I'd say I prefer this one as a person over Nuch, but physically her
body shows the signs of child reering and altogether a little too fat
and sagging. We make love only a couple times, at night and the next
morning. She doesn't excite me enough, although I do notice her pussy
seems consistantly wet and ready. Only in the morning do I find this
is because she is just starting her period, as evidenced by a large
red stain she leaves on the sheets.
This she wasn't prepared for it herself, as she spends a long time
showering
and plugging herself with toilet paper. I don't complain, though. I
know I can get a total knockout nymphet but I have to pay 1000 or 1500
to keep her 'til morning. I'll try a little harder next time.
She stays until almost 1pm. She has to go off and see her son at
school. She invites me along but I pass, having had enough field
trips for a while. I give her her 500 baht and we part on very
nice terms, she saying she hopes to see me again.
Afterwards I try to take a nap but am interrupted by the maid who
requires little explanation to understand why the sheets are bloody.
After she's done, I shower, have lunch at McDonalds (I'm not much for
experimenting with the local cuisine, the Ambassador buffet having
provided a sufficient sampling for me) and then take a long walk
around town, drenching my upper body in sweat.
~~~~~~~~~~~~
An evening much like the previous. I very much look forward to getting
out of Thailand or at least Bangkok if my visa card ever comes. Another
phone call reports that it is in process having been sent by UPS
overnight courier two days earlier. They say Saturday or Monday at
the latest. I would like to at least be a little freer with money
for this routine has become a little boring.
Again around 8:30 or so I go to a Soi Nana go-go bar (Voodoo) and stay
put until 11:15 managing to do it with only buying one beer. A
surprisingly crowded night (probably because it's Friday) caused my
lack of thirst to go unnoticed.
I grab a chicken leg from a street vendor on my way to Thermae and
then sit at a table there with a coke. This time I get a girl almost
immediately. She's sitting in the booth next to me and I invite her
to sit at my table. Her name is Pom. She's half Thai and half Chinese
(looks Chinese), is 25 years old, no baby, and is a little tall at
165cm. She's very sweet and friendly, laughing a lot. Her face,
though,
shows the scars of serious acne from when she was a teenager. Having
come to Thermae so many nights in a row, I've become a familiar face
and am maybe developing a reputation as a "butterfly" -- going from
flower to flower. I'll worry about that when it becomes an issue.
She tells me Thermae is closed tomorrow night because of the elections,
so I'll have to try elsewhere, maybe the nearby beer garden which is
supposed to be a similar pick-up place.
I bring Pom back to my hotel for a 500 baht all night. In addition
to her laughter, she seems genuinely infatuated with me, repeatingly
commenting on my "lovely" eyes and face. She's particularly envious
of my narrower nose and smooth, unscarred face. I try to explain to
her the cosmetic treatment of chemical peeling that would remove many
of her scars.
We make love a total of four times. Twice at night and twice the next
morning. The decision to bring two economy pack boxes of condoms has
turned out to have been been wise, as I'm using them liberally.
Pom seems perhaps more attached to me than the others, but for some
reason I can't quite reciprocate. She's really very nice and sweet
but maybe a little big for me. Maybe I'm hung up over tiny girls,
I don't know. In any case, I've decided one night with her is
enough.
We dress and leave my hotel about 1pm to go to lunch. I have her
choose and we walk over to Foodland off of Soi 7. She has Khao Phat
and I have some kind of noodle dish with chicken and a lot of broth.
We walk back to Robinsons and shop around there a bit. She knows
the store well, she tells me, having used to have worked there,
but the 10000 baht a month pay wasn't enough. We finally part.
I pay her and she takes a bus back to her place on Soi 103. Having
been somewhat guarded in my complements towards her, I managed to
keep her from having false hopes about this continuing, so she
seems ok as I leave her.
Later I realize why I wasn't attracted to her. Though she was
sweet and fun to laugh with, that was all I experienced with her.
I wasn't able to feel any deeper emotional connection with her.
There was only her giddyness. If she had opened up a lonely,
vulnerable, or sad side to me, I would have had something to
grasp, some sense of myself within her, and some desire to
remain with her.
~~~~~~~~~~~~
This evening is unusually dead for a Saturday night. The government
has decided to disallow the selling of alcohol and close most of
the go-go bars (and Thermae) because of the next day's elections.
From news reports, the candidates are all pretty much the same and
this will be a contest of personalities rather than ideology.
Soi Nana's pretty quiet. Not much of a crowd for soft drinks. And
almost half the bars are closed. Still there's Wimbledon and I
watch the Agassi-Wheaton match (Agassi won) on an outside TV while
an occasional girl wonders out of the bar to check out the action
wearing only a g-string.
Not finding a cheap free lance hooker there, I finally leave after
midnight to see if Soi Cowboy's any better. But it is much the
same story. Any girl who'd go for what I'm paying is just too
skanky, even for my standards.
At past 2am I'm walking back up Sukhumvit to my hotel, having become
resigned to the fact that I'll be sleeping alone tonight. All of a
sudden
I run into Pom again and I'm very surprised and, at this point, glad to
see her. She said she was there to see if Thermae had opened again.
With her with me again, the night comes to a much more pleasant end.
We walk over to Foodland for some bottled water (all this walking has
really parched me) and then back to my hotel.
It's after 3am and I'm rather tired at this point, and knowing her to
be more than glad to, I have Pom join me in the tub for a shower,
letting her do all the work. I show my gratitude by urinating on her.
This she doesn't find funny but even then her giddy smile only
disappears for a moment. I consider asking her if she would like to
be in an abusive relationship, but think better of it and let her
have her fun instead.
We go to bed and make love only once that night because of the late
hour. We do go again a couple times the next morning but are both
tired and fall back to sleep. At about 2pm we're awakened by the
hotel maid who's come to change the room. We quickly dress and sit
together in a chair watching her as she does her work. Pom talks to
her and the maid comments how I've been staying in this room for a
number of days now. I gather that most guests only stay at the
hotel for a few days at most, my stolen wallet has kept me here
for almost two weeks.
When the maid leaves, Pom and I finish dressing and go over to
Robinsons for a late lunch at their basement "Food Court." Afterwards,
I again pay her 500 baht and we part as before.
~~~~~~~~~~~~
After showering, washing my hair, and shaving, I call up again to check
on my visa card. They say it is on it's last leg having arrived at
the Thailand UPS office and that it should come tomorrow.
With new optimism I decide to splurge a little and convert my last
$200 in traveler's checks to baht (I still have a significant amount
of American cash in reserve). About 8pm I go to Thermae for a massage.
Having run into Nee, the adorably cute girl who massaged me last time,
outside there last night, I decide to go in to maybe see her again.
I scope her out in the corner of the room where all the girls wait
together to be picked while being viewed through a one way glass. She
still is the prettiest one there to me. I pick her again for another
massage but soon change my mind and decide to buy her out for the
entire night. We settle on 1000 baht, double what I've paid any other
girl but to me she's worth it. The only sticking point is she wants
to leave at 8am the next morning, her schedule apparently different
than mine, and it takes some talking to get her to stay until noon,
a much more typical time.
We only make love twice the whole time she's with me. I've instead
allowed myself to become completely infatuated and enchanted by her
very being, pouring over, studying and complementing every aspect of
her. In effect I treat her as Pom treated me, unrealistically elevating
her to an angelic position of grandeur. To this she responds as I
did to Pom, not believing most of it and thinking me a little crazy.
This time I had the sense to first purchase a Thai phrase book (I
had lost my other one) before returning to the hotel, so that she
could at least understand more than a fraction of what I was saying
to her.
The next morning we dress and she leaves the hotel to go home, where
she lives with her mother, at about 11:30am. No promises made, except
for her saying she'd like to see me again at Thermae. Her departure
again brings reality into sharp focus and my mind shifts to other
matters.
I call the Thai UPS office. They say they have my package and to
expect delivery today or tomorrow. I'm still very concerned about
it finally reaching me but am told I can't pick it up, but must
instead wait for delivery.
I have lunch at the Ambassador and then go back to the hotel lobby
and just watch TV, considering having the hotel head desk clerk
(or maybe manager), an older Thai woman, talk to them again for me,
she having been very simpathetic to my situation. But at about 2pm
a brown uniformed man arrives to whom for half a second I don't
react to, momentarily misidentifying him as one of the ubiquitous
tourist police. However, I see the large read and white envelope
in his hand and realise UPS is finally making their delivery.
I quickly sign for it, open it up to check everything's ok and call
visa to confirm receipt and have the card activated. I then head
out, make an immediate cash advance, do a little shopping, consider
a somewhat more extravagant evening and consider what I have time left
to do in the less than one week left on my vacation. If nothing else,
I will go to Vietnam.
~~~~~~~~~~~~
I spend most of the evening looking about for a nearby massage parlor.
The only one I can find off of Sukhumvit (other than Thermae) is
Darling. It has a very similar set up, but I don't find any of the
girls there any more than passibly attractive, a lot of them look
past thirty. And I find out the massage fee alone is more than
1200 baht. I leave immediately.
Every time I pass Thermae I check if #83 (Pranee) is available, but
she never is. On my third trip I finally settle on another girl,
not that pretty but she does seem good natured from her smile and
that's more than I see in the others. We have your basic massage
and fuck session (on a massage table). Her very orgasmic response
makes me consider again for the future.
At the end of the evening I manage to make my way back to the
Thermae coffee shop where I'm immediately approached by Pom.
She tells me she waited for me there the previous night and
repeatedly asks what I did. I choose not to answer, not believing
she deserves one.
Once again forgetting my plan to try to get a really cute girl, I
succumb to Pom's advances and my own tendency to take the path of
least effort and greatest convenience. I end up rationalizing to
myself that she's a decent fuck, certainly passionate towards me
and has a nice body, though too big for my tastes, having become
hopelessly biased towards tiny girls.
We go back to my hotel and I have a typical night with her,
screwing her once that night and a couple times the next morning,
though at this point my lack of respect for her has made these
acts entirely for my own gratification. She hardly seems to notice
this, her infatuation for me instead satisfying her.
The next day I decide to go over to the U.S. embassy to find what
all the visa options are for foreigners. Pom comes along and together
we hike over there after lunch at Robinsons.
Being in a foreign country for the last couple of weeks, the
significance
of the day is lost on me and it isn't until we reach the U.S. embassy
and
find it closed for the holiday that I realize it's the Forth of July.
It's a wasted trip, though good exercise, and on the way back we stop
at a travel agency and I use my visa card to buy a ticket and apply
for a tourist visa for a 4 day trip to Vietnam. An additional fee
expedites the process and allows a visa to be granted to me in two
days instead of a week.
I get rid of Pom yet again and sign up for a one day tour of the
River Kwai for the next day, the day after which I fly to Vietnam.
~~~~~~~~~~~~
I go back to Thermae and buy out Pranee for the whole night again.
We spend the evening in my hotel room talking (with the aid of my
phrase book), making loving and just enjoying each other. I explain
that I'm going to the River Kwai tomorrow all day and have to be out
the door very early, about 6:30am. She wants to come along, but I
don't think touring war memorials and grave sites with a three hour
bus ride each way would be a particularly romantic trip. She's
disappointed but I tell her I'll see her the next evening, and that
it will be my last evening in Thailand; I'll be flying to Ho Chi Minh,
Vietnam the following day.
The night isn't restful and I'm awakened at 6am the next morning by
the hotel desk. I quickly shower, don't have time to shave, and
head out the door with Pranee, saying goodbye to her and catching the
mini tour bus (van) for Kanchanaburi.
The tour was ok, about 8 of us in our van, only one other American
besides myself, the rest Swedish and Japanese. The highlight was
the long tail outboard boat ride up and down the river, just
incredibly lush jungly greenery occasionally broken by a thatched
roof settlement. A very refreshing change from congested downtown
Bangkok.
When I return in the evening, rather than shower I head over to Thermae,
select Pranee for a massage and have her take care of me, relaxing in
the tub as she scubbed me. I explain to her that it was good she didn't
go on the tour, the bus ride was too long and I don't think she would
have enjoyed it much. She gives me her address and tells me to write.
I say I want to check out a few more places this evening, but will come
back to Thermae when the massage parlor closes to say goodbye to her.
I head out to Pat Pong, take in a few pussy shows and buy a lot of
lady drinks. At one point I'm surrounded by about five young girls
all pleading with me to pay their bar fines and take them out. After
a long day touring I'm content to just tease them. I finally leave
and buy a fake Rolex as a souvenir from one of the outside vendors.
I head back to Thermae and say my last goodbye to Pranee, sitting
together with her on one of the couches that face the one way glass.
At last, at the end of the night, I go once last time to Thermae coffee
shop to pick up a girl for the night, Pranee being unable to explain
another night away to her mother who thinks she only works at a market
anyway. This time I get a thin, Chinese looking girl, who later turned
out to be unable to read Thai making my phrase book of little use.
She wasn't that attractive, having a rather gummy smile. My eye was on
her more because I thought there might be a chase of her being
completely
hairless. Such was not the case, and she wanted 700 baht for all
night. I agreed but after having her once, considered paying her for
just "short time" and going back to Thermae for another. But then I
realized just how tired I was and knew I wasn't up to going through the
selection process all over again. So I said screw it and spent the
night with her, having her once more in the morning before sending
her off at about 9:30am.
I packed all my stuff together, settled with the hotel and took a taxi
to Bangkok International Airport, bringing to a close a trip of great
satifaction but less than total fulfillment. As I sped along the
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The 3 hour bus ride is followed by a half hour taxi ride through typical
Bangkok afternoon gridlock to go the couple dozen blocks back to my
hotel,
the Sukhumvit Crown off of Soi 8.
Right after check in I head over to MK Ways Travel Agency on Wireless
Road to arrange a trip to Laos and Cambodia. The whole thing comes to
11,440 baht including airline tickets and Laos visa. Probably not the
greatest deal but they're a reputable place, having arranged my trip
last year to Vietnam. The only snag is having to give up my passport
for a few days to get the Laos visa stamped in, and thus being unable to
exchange any traveler's cheques. Fortunately the numerous Bangkok ATMs
allow me to still access my bank account and get a credit card cash
advance. This I immediately take advantage of, grabbing a quick 5000
baht.
After dinner at Robinson's Food Court, I decide to check out the scene
at
Nana Plaza. It's much the same as last year, a bit more crowded, the
second
level now fully populated with bars and now a third level beginning to
fill
up. I finally settle down at one of the ground level places after
circling
around and having a quick look inside of all the others. A singha,
blaring
music and scantily clad Thai girl encouraging me to buy her out or at
least
buy her a lady drink, bring back clear memories of the same action a
year
ago. I never find out the prices, and after only one beer go off
instead
to Patpong.
Patpong also seems the same as when I last left it, the touts just as
obnoxious and unrelenting as before. I also make the rounds there,
eventually giving in to a full body massage at one of the local
establishments.
500 baht gets you the massage, anything more you work out with the girl.
I choose a young thin one with small firm breasts. She leads me to a
room both smaller and more cheaply appointed than anything in Sabailand
in Pattaya. Having had enough past experience with Patpong rip offs, I
play this one pretty cautious, going just for the massage. I get more
anyway, as the girl works to jerk and blow me off, at one point in a 69,
her pussy and ass right against my face. Feeling where this was leading
to, my coming and a threatened demand for another 1000 or 1500 baht, I
cut the action short and leave before things deteriorate further. I
spend some time in one of the bars and catch a couple pussy shows,
involving fire and popping balloons, before hopping on a taxi to
Thermae,
my last stop.
I get a Singha there and check out the scene for an hour or so, meeting
many girls who want to go short time, few all night. The chances of
getting an all night chick for 500 baht don't seem very good, as opposed
to last year when picking one up took very little effort. The larger
space of the new Thermae seems to contribute to this; it just feels a
little less intimate, requiring more often for me to walk over to
connect to a girl rather than just turn and face her. The crowd itself
is also smaller and the place just isn't as packed as last year,
although I may just be in on an off night. And certainly in this place
I'm not having to fend off the gropers like before, unless they've gone
too. I finally end up with a girl for 700 baht, 35 years old and very
petite. Choosing her ends up being a major mistake.
Like cut out figures before me, one bad sign pops up after another.
She's 35 and has never had a baby, essentially unheard of in Thailand.
She walks with me out of Thermae carrying a bottle of Singha, rare for a
Thai to like her brew that much. When crossing Sukhumvit she chooses to
head right across the dangerous street rather than take the foot bridge.
Once in my room, she declines to take a shower saying she just took one
an hour or two ago. Only a farang would ever say that. She asks for
her 700 baht up front, not afterwards, as is customary. When I see her
up close in the light of my room, her 35 year old face has the many fine
lines and wrinkles around the eyes and cheeks of a woman at least 10
years older. Her long brown hair is unusually wavy and curlie
(naturally so) for a Thai girl. When I undress her, she is rail thin
with sticks for legs, but with natural breasts of a shape so youthful
and
firm they could belong to a teenager, an American one.
She also has a bubbly giddy laughter and babbling manner that begins to
make me uncomfortable. Finally, she starts telling me about herself.
She's been going to Thermae and hopping all the other 24 hour bars in
Bangkok, many unknown to most Thais and farangs, for years now. They
are her sole source of income. A few years ago, she tells me, a man
kept buying her drinks until she fell over drunk. Rather than lose
face, by her rationale, she learned to drink. A lot. She clearly
weighed well under a hundred pounds but said she could put away a 6 pack
of beer like nothing, and that men who have tried to get her drunk for
amusement, walked away in frustration after she downed a half dozen or
more. She said she could drink maybe 12 beers before becoming
significantly incapacitated.
At this point it became obvious that her physical appearance bore the
ravages of booze, and alcoholism had effected her mentally, along
with living a clearly hard street life.
Sharing my room for the night with a booze addled crazy chick is not my
idea of fun, to say nothing of the fact that I found her more than a
little scary. Rather than lose sleeping keeping an eye on her, I ask
her to leave. And the trouble begins.
I refused to give her her 700 baht all night fee for an hour or so of
time and she becomes violent, raising her empty beer bottle ready to
strike me with it. I throw 360 baht at her and she starts screaming. I
tell her to get dressed and get out, now. She refuses to leave with the
360. More flailing and shouting follow, and rather than let this
deteriorate to something I'll seriously regret, manage to get rid of her
for 500 baht, her pointing to a handle sticking from her bag, saying
it's
a long knife.
It's after 4am, but in my mind I see no reason to let this deranged
woman keep me from having company for what remains of the night. I get
back on Sukhumvit heading for Thermae and stop along the way to talk to
the passing girls, apparently done for the night. I meet Na.
Her full name is Niayana, she's a Khmer girl from Khorat and is dressed
in gray jeans and a black shirt. She's 27, no baby, but had a
miscarriage at 4 months. She's rather quiet but tends to be unsmiling
and direct. We agree on a 500 baht all night and return to my room,
where both exhausted, we don't get very far before falling asleep. The
next morning, though, I have her a couple of times, particularly
enjoying her smooth brown skin, completely hairless except for a light
patch on her pubic mound.
We talk about spending some time together. I'm in Bangkok for a few
more days until the next leg of my trip, and at this point, settling on
just one girl to spend it with has taken on a whole new appeal.
We make love again in the early afternoon, the hotel maid's knock
finally prompting us to rise. We go out for coffee and part, briefly
meeting again an hour later to return to my room before going to
Robinson's for a late lunch. Afterwards we shop a little, she buying
some postcards to mail out, and go back to my hotel for her to write
them and me to make a long diary entry. She heads out at 8:30 for a
prior commitment, an evening with some friends, a married couple, but
she wants to get back with me at 11. This kind of arrangement is a bit
unusual for me, but I don't miss the familiar monotony of evening
pickups, and I still have a couple of hours left to go out.
~~~~~~~~~~~~
I check out Soi Cowboy and not notice any difference from last year;
pretty much the same street lined both sides with go-go bars. After a
Singha at one of them I go over to the Renoir Club on Soi 33, a somewhat
high rent bar and restaurant catering to farang and Thai businessmen.
A 150 baht Kloster at the bar and a cola lady drink for one of the
hostesses later, I take a taxi back to my hotel and meet Na there
waiting for me.
We are only up in my room briefly before going back out to Thermae for a
beer. We intend to spend only about an hour there but it stretches to
two and a half as I wait around while she talks to the many older farang
friends she seems to have acquired there over time.
My patience with her spent, I start seriously looking for alternate
overnight company. I soon settle on a girl of 28 for a 500 baht all
night and return to my hotel after a quick by-by to Na.
Her name is Soo. She's from Buriram and had a baby when she was only
15.
Her body apparently had not fully developed at the time, for the only
sign of her pregnancy are a few fine stretch marks, her breasts and
stomach still very firm.
I only have her a couple of times before she takes off about 11:30am
leaving me the rest of the day to myself. I take advantage of this to
have a look around Chinatown, eventually walking the entire length of
Yaowarat after a brief tour of Hua Lamphong railway station. Earlier on
I had to take about a half hour break to wait out a sudden downpour.
Having had enough of a hike, I opt for a taxi and swing over to
Petchaburi Road. I end up at Soi 47 and go into the Paris Turkish Bath
Massage Parlor. 1200 baht up front pays for a 2 hour bath, full body
massage, and fuck, overall the best deal I've found for such. The girl
I pick is only 18 and doesn't speak a word of English, but as I've
found, you can still have a lot of fun with someone using a minimum of
verbal exchanges.
Afterwards I head back to Sukhumvit, withdraw some more cash, and then
walk to Nana Plaza. My timing's good as I enter the Pretty Girl bar,
for they've started dancing there completely naked. I pick a stool at
the stage and get a nice close view of the action. In addition to
dancing, the girls also get into some nice lesbian action, followed by a
fire act similar to one I saw in Patpong. All this for a 65 baht Singha
and within walking distance of my hotel. The quality and explicitness
of the performances gains my attention for an exteeded period, and for
once I'm not bored by the whole thing. One naked girl has my recurring
attention as she every so often covers her crotch with her hand in an
act of shyness while smiling at me.
After her dance I'm surprised from behind as she grabs me and gives me a
big full kiss on the lips. Appreciating her affection and sweetness, I
decide to take her out for the night, 500 baht to the bar, 1000 to her.
Her name is Kim, she's 26, no baby, and is significantly less sweet when
I bring her back to my room, her attraction for me manifesting itself in
a strong mothering attitude. As soon as I mention I'm going to Laos in
a couple of days, she's telling me not to go, it's too dangerous. And
in general trys to lead me around everywhere.
Her stage shyness, I find out, is due to her thick, long, straight pubic
hair, she's half Japanese and half Chinese-Thai. A couple of the other
girls on stage seemed to have hairless pussies, but it was too dark for
me to tell whether they were natural or shaved. As a consequence, Kim
asks me to shave her, a task I enthusiastically agree to. We manage to
get most of it off, but when I tongue her later I feel like I'm against
sand paper. She returns the favor by bathing me and washing my hair.
Overall she's a rather orgasmic chick, as I'm able to get her off both
orally and vaginally. We sleep through the night and I have her once
more early in the morning. We dress and go out about noon to the Indra
Regent Hotel for lunch and then the surrounding Pattunam Market to shop,
she the whole time asking me to buy her various things including a gold
ring so she can show her friends she has a "boyfriend." None of this I
give into and tire quickly of being pulled along by her. She wants to
go "long time" with me, live in an appartment, etc., for a price of
course. Instead we return to my room where she'd left her stuff and I
send her off, trying to explain to her why I don't care for her company.
She leaves even tempered and I find myself with another open evening.
~~~~~~~~~~~~
I pick up my passport and Laos and Cambodia airline tickets at MK Ways,
and for dinner go to the Galaxy No Hands restaurant on Rama IV. The
experience is very disappointing.
Contrary to what I'd heard, the eroticism was only the most subtle,
was way overpriced, and in general not worth it at all except for the
Japanese and Hong Kong businessmen with money to burn that the place
seems designed to cater to.
I was led into a private room, took off my shoes and sat on cushions
before a sunken table. A very old waiter took my order, a three course
chinese meal and a couple of 20 oz bottles of Singha. I then was taken
to an outer area where I chose a girl to feed me.
I picked an Isaan girl of 28 with a ready smile dressed in a light
orange business suit. We went back to the room and talked some until
the order came. And when it did, she simply proceeded to feed me,
spooning me mouthfuls of fried rice, chicken with cashews, and prawns,
interrupted by the occasional sip of beer. After a while, with my
encouragement, she joined me. My hands were mostly at my sides but
occasionally rested on her thighs or breasts. She remained fully
dressed the whole time, not "scantily clad" as I heard.
It was a pleasant enough time but in no way worth the 1200 baht for the
meal plus a 500 baht tip for the mamasan and another 500 for the others.
And if you wanted a *one* hour massage from the girl afterwards, the
price was 2200 baht plus 400 for the room which was in a cheap hotel you
had to walk outside down an alleyway to get to. All this included a 10%
added charge for paying by credit card since I never carry that much
cash around Bangkok. The bath, massage and fuck were passable but half
as long as they should've have been. Had I known I was going to be
shelling out nearly 200 US dollars for something this underwelming, vis
a
vis its reputation, I never would have gone in.
It was about midnight when I left, feeling cheated, and took a taxi back
to Sukhumvit to find a bedmate at Thermae for my last night in Bangkok.
After prowling the area for an hour or so, I spotted at a corner table a
young girl sitting by herself sipping a cup of tea. After bouncing off
enough of the rough chicks at the bar, sitting next to her was
refreshing. Her name was Supranee or Oy for short (a nickname I've
found rather common among Thai girls) and was only 21 with no baby. She
wore very little makeup and said she doesn't smoke cigarettes or drink
whiskey, and over all seemed a nice sweet person. Her day job was
at the Thai Cement and Mitsubishi plant and she lived in an all female
apartment complex. We agree on a 900 baht all night, more than I've
ever paid for a Thermae girl but I genuinely like this one and I've
found it much harder to get the 500 baht price that girls in Thermae
seemed much more readily to agree to last year. But then everything
in Bangkok seems a little more expensive this time around.
It's late when we go back to my room, so we just sleep, but I have her
twice in the morning. She's definitely on the shy side and not nearly
as wildly orgasmic as the first girl I had in Pattaya, but is responsive
enough for me to get it up over. She also likes me very much and we
exchange addresses to correspond.
After a shower, I pack and check out, say goodby to Supranee, exchange a
couple of traveler's cheques and hop on the 70 baht airport bus.
[Continued in Laos section]
Doctor Moon Ray
report #4" (see the second part in the "Thailand: Koh Samui" section) -
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Subject: Re: Travel report
Trip taken between 25 Jan. and 23 Feb. 1997.
Itinerary: Bangkok-Samui-Bangkok-Saigon-Singapore
1. In general
I have visited Thailand at least once a year for the last 5 years and
intend to continue doing so. In the past I have done pretty much all
the things that tourists do, but now I know a few people over there
and I have changed the way I do things to reflect what I have learned
over the years. I hope this will be useful for others as well.
2. Bangkok
It is usually pointless to book a hotel room in advance. The hotel
reservation counter in the arrival hall at Dong Muang airport has a
complete list of all hotels sorted by price. I believe you cannot get
much cheaper accomodation with such a choice elsewhere. When booking a
room make surE you ask the person at the counter to check with the
hotel that it is ok to bring a lady in your room. Some hotels do not
allow it (the big luxury ones, mainly) while most middle range places
will ask for an extra fee per night. The best way to avoid the hassle
is to book a double room. The extra cost is minimal and if you bring a
girl home each night, it will save you money.
I stayed at the Manhattan Hotel (Sukhumvit Soi 15). They charge 1,200
Baht for a double room (1,050 for a single) with breakfast. It is a
clean modern well appointed hotel ideally situated for shopping and
nightlife (Nana plaza and the Petchburi Rd massage parlours are close
enough). The rooms are large and well decorated, with a large king
size bed, TV minibar etc. Rooms x06 have a larger bathroom. When you
come home with your new girlfriend, there is no hassle with security
(although they still keep a watchful eye) and the guard wishes you
good night with a smile.
My idea was to spend a few nights in Bangkok, enjoying the nightlife
as always but trying to find a girl to take with me to Koh Samui for a
week or two, the reason being that you never know what you are going
to find down there on the island. In the past I have been quite happy
with the local ladies I spent time with, but the choice is much larger
in Bangkok.
With that in mind, I asked the porter at the Manhattan to suggest a
few places and to provide me with a driver. This is a most practical
way of going around in Bangkok. Most hotels have independant drivers
who work more or less exclusively for hotel guests. They will carry
you everywhere and wait for you while you enjoy a massage, etc. If you
charter one of these for your exclusive usage (as I recommend you do)
you are expected to feed him and to refuel the car on top of tipping
him. I gave him 2,000 Baht for 5 days but he never asked for anything
and took me to very interesting places I would never have found by
myself.
I visited a few large massage parlours. I was disappointed by the
selection at Mona Lisa. Also the manager was quite pushy and the price
asked was too high. He wanted 3,000 and we settled on 2,500 but you
can normally get the full service for 2,000. Darling is ok, but my
favourite is Viranda (just off Petchburi Rd). There I got a " sandwich
" i.e. two girls for 3,500 Bt. The massage is pretty much as described
elsewhere, but with two girls it becomes very interesting, although
them being Thai girls, they tend to chat with each other, and you
might feel excluded from the conversation. After the massage they take
care of you on the bed, with one sucking you while you play with the
body of the other. The prettiest of the two was a real love doll, with
long dark hair, amazingly soft breasts and a tight sweet pussy. At my
command, the other girl, who was giving me a competent, if uninspired,
blowjob, put a condom on my dick and directed it in the pussy of her
colleague. Then she stroked my balls as I was fucking the sweet
doll. After I had come, they allowed me a five minute break and then
asked if I wanted to have another go at it, which I did, reversing the
roles. I left them 1,000 Bt as a tip to share.
My driver took me to several Karaoke places, on the Japanese model,
but accessible to non-japanese people. You select a lady among a dozen
or so (all dressed in quite sophisticated evening dresses) and she
spends a while with you on a sofa while you pretend you are Frank
Sinatra in disguise. Then you pay 2-2,500 Bt and you take her
home. All-night dates are a thing of the past in Bangkok, but you can
hope to get one good fuck, possibly two if she likes you, before she
goes home. These ladies are enjoyable because they are rather more
sophisticated and speak better English than a bar girl in Patpong or
NEP. In the places I visited, most girls were very pretty and
classy. Most girls like to receive oral sex (if you are good at it,
they will surely want to reward you, since apparently few men succed
in bringing them to a climax that way), but some are reluctant to give
blowjobs (this is religious, with the head being sacred in the
Buddhist creed). It is wise to check with the manager before selecting
one girl. It is not considered polite to switch to another girl in the
same bar.
I have visited Patpong, of course, but I limited it to two places: the
Kangaroo bar and Limelight bar. At Kangaroo (upstairs) you get a
blowjob on the spot (in one of two rooms, or in the bar itself if
these are busy). The girls are probably less pretty than the Patpong
average, but they are VERY good at what they do. The works there cost
700 Bt plus drinks. Very enjoyable to start the evening.
My favourite bar in Patpong is Limelight, because it is quite small
compared to King's Castle etc. And the music is bearable. They usually
have many pretty girls, and they have a selection of spectacular
Ladyboys if you are into that sort of things. Now this is a bar in
Patpong, and there is a certain etiquette that you must respect, and
despite my years of experience as a visitor to Thailand, I found
myself in an impossible mess: There was dancing on the stage one of
the most beautiful Thai girls I have ever seen, just the way you would
imagine. So I managed to draw her attention, she smiled back and after
she finished her tour on the stage, she came to me. I then discovered
that she was mute, from a car accident in her early years, and she "
told " me that she had enough of the place, the noise, etc. So I
offered to take her home. But she said she was too tired, etc. So,
listening to my good hart, I paid her bar fine anyway and let her go
home. (Thereafter I went to a Karaoke bar and I brought home a very
nice girl anyway).
The next evening I went back to Limelight, but the mute girl was not
there. So another girl came, and asked for a lady drink, that I
ordered for her. Then she went to dance on the stage. Another girl
came, equally smiling and cute, asked for a drink, that I accepted. So
far the etiquette was ok, since I was with my driver so I could have
two girls at the table. But then the mute girl turned up, and I
realised I was about to lose face, since because of what I had done
the evening before, everybody assumed she was my lady of choice. The
only thing left to save face was to leave the bar...
Of course some people may just ignore all that oriental politeness and
disregard losing face in front of bar girls, but then what is the
point of going to Thailand? It is not considered acceptable to "
butterfly " from one girl to another, even unknowingly.
Finally I found the girl I wanted to come with me to Samui, in a bar
near Patpong, Jasmine Pub. There you find about 25 young girls, mostly
pretty, lined up on the stage for you to pick your selection. I tried
my favourite (named Nee) for one night (1,500 Bt) and at the end of my
week in Bangkok negotiated with her Mama-san a price of 8,000 Bt for
the whole week with her.
I was surprised to hear that usually those girls are never taken out
of Bangkok, and that herself never had been to Samui before. Her
initial reaction was mixed.
Doctor Moon Ray
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Randy Farang's Beginner's Guide to Bangkok [Undated]
The commercial sex scene in Bangkok can be roughly grouped into three
categories: (1) the bars, (2) the massage parlors, and (3) everything
else.
This report covers the bar scene.
For the beginner, we suggests the bars. If you start with a visit to a
massage parlor on your first trip to the Magic Kingdom, there is a
better
than even chance that you'll end up going to the massage parlor where
your
friendly taxi driver gets a hefty commission. To cover that commission,
you will get charged more. If you don't like the prices or the
available
girls, you will need to take a taxi to a new locale and that could be
problematic since the massage parlors are generally some distance from
each other (except perhaps for the two Chao Phaya parlors on Si
Ayutthaya),
and even when they are not, its easy to get lost if this is your first
time
in Bangkok.
On the other hand, when you don't like the prices or choices in a bar
located in, say, Patpong, you simply pay for your drink and head over to
the bar next door. And if you are coming from the U.S., you have
probably
seen massage parlors before - although we'll grant that its unlikely
that
you have seen anything like the massage parlors found in Bangkok. But
you
probably won't find anything like Patpong or Nana Plaza anywhere outside
Bangok.
The Bars:
Bangkok has plenty of bars. And many of those bars have available girls
(poo-ying.) But there are three main bar areas frequented by
non-locals:
(1) Patpong, (2) Nana Plaza, and (3) Soi Cowboy.
Taxi drivers will know how to get you to all of these areas, but when
the
taxi driver senses that you are new to Bangkok (and he will), he will
try
to steer you to a massage parlor or brothel where he is certain to get a
commission. Politely, but firmly, insist that you want to go to Nana
Plaza, Patpong, etc. And don't fall for the ruse we fell for the first
time we came here about ten years ago: "Sorry mister, Patpong closed on
Sunday. I take you better place." It wasn't.
The protocol for all bars is basically about the same, although prices
vary. The girls will approach you and ask that you to buy them a drink
("cola"). "Lady drinks" run about B50 to B75 ($US2-3). You are under
no
obligation to buy, and if you do buy, you are under no obligation to
stay
with that girl all night. Consequently, if you are intrigued by a girl,
but not yet certain if you want to make a larger investment, this is a
low
cost way to determine if you wish to proceed further. If you decide to
proceed further, you must pay a "bar fine" to get the girl out the bar.
This can run from about B150 to B350 ($US6-14.) On top of that, you
must
pay the girl for her services.
You can take the girl out for "short time" (an hour or so) or "long
time"
(all night.) Prices and willingness to do "longtime" vary from girl to
girl and from bar to bar.
1. Patpong:
Opinions are mixed about Patpong these days. Its not as wild as it once
was, and certainly not as wild as Nana Plaza. In Patpong you will see
groups of tourists, including middle aged houswifes from Des Moines,
here
to see Bangkok's naughty nightlife (always a great story when they get
back
home) and shop for souvieniers at the nightmarket that fills the two
main
(heterosexual/non-Japanese) streets of Patpong. These two streets turn
into a night market at dusk filled with vendors selling t-shirts, fake
rolexs, etc.
On the other hand, it still has some great bars. Some of the most
beautiful girls work here. The nightmarket adds a bit a frenetic
quality
to the scene. If you're slightly nervous first-timer, this may be the
best
place to start.
The downstair bars are generally safe. The upstairs bars have sex
shows,
but many are rip-offs. In the upstairs bars, you can end up getting
charged $80 for a beer and threatened with bodily harm if you refuse to
pay. It's useless to provide the names of the rip off bars since they
change names so often. Don't believe the touts. If you really want to
see
a sex show, go to a bar operated by the King's Group or ask for a
recommendation in one of the downstairs bar operated by the King's
Group.
The King's Group is a chain of Patpong bars all controlled by one
owners.
They are generally reliable and safe. The word "King" or "Queen" will
usually be in the name of the bar. The girls are supposedly tested
periodically, and those with HIV are retired. The HIV rate is supposed
to
be less than 1% in the King's Group, but always use a condom.
Some of Randy's favorite bars include:
- Kings I, II and III: Small bars, but beautiful girls on stage.
The music tends toward techno-pop. Some of the better looking girls
can be a bit stand-offish, unless you look Japanese or rich (two
categories that seem to overlap in the minds of most bar girls.) Most
of the girls here prefer shorttime over long time. These bars get
packed and pretty wild starting at around 10:00 p.m. Not for the
claustrophobic.
- Safari: This bar seems to have younger *looking* girls, but they
are
all 18+. The girls wear patsies when dancing. They play less
techno-pop; you are more likely to hear rock n' roll classics such as
the
Stones, ZZ Top, etc., here. It may be owned by an American or a Brit
(just
a guess.) The atmosphere here is very friendly; it seems less
sophisticated than, and has a funkiness that you cannot find at, the
Kings'
Group bars.
- Limelight: Well lit bar; some real beauties. Great massages are
available while you are nursing your beer watching the girls dance up on
the stage. The management is very friendly.
- Kangaroo Bar (upstairs): Not for the faint of heart. For about
B400,
you'll get a blow job while you sit at the bar.
The bar fines in Patpong are currently B350. The bars all close around
2:00 a.m. After 2:00 p.m. there are a couple of discos on Patpong. The
prices for the extracurricular services vary, but figure about B1000 to
1500 for a short time. Unless your hotel is close and allows girls, you
will have to rent a short time room, which means another B250. There
are
several short time hotels on Patpong; the girls know where they are
(there is
one right next to the Limelight, on the left-hand side as you face the
front of the bar.) Most of the better looking and more sophisticated
girls
prefer short time liasons since they can earn more money by going out
with
several customers in the course of one night. A "long time" can be
quite
expensive and many of the really beauties are just not willing to do it
unless you make it economically worthwhile.
The best book on Patpong is Cleo Odzer's, "Patpong Sisters." Ms. Odzer
apparently wrote the book from research while conducted for a doctoral
dissertation on prostitution in Thailand. A good read, and generally
accurate.
The nearby hotels include: Wall Street Inn ($60), Montien ($100), and
Dusit
Thani ($140++). Good luck getting a girl into the Dusti Thani.
2. Nana Plaza
Nana is wild. You won't find very many middle aged housewifes from Des
Moines here. Although the official closing time is 2:00 a.m., the real
closing time seems to be closer to 4:00 a.m.
Nana is located near the beginning of Sukhimvit. It's an entertainment
complex consisting of three stories of bars built around an open plaza.
Most of the bars are on the first floor, and the last we checked, there
was
only one bar on the third floor. But Nana is gaining in popularity, and
this could easily change.
Over the last few years the quality of the girls at Nana has improved
markedly so that it now almost equals Patpong. Prices are starting to
catch up to Patpong now too. The bar fines are the same, but the
charges
for extracirrucular activity are generally lower. Some of the better
bars
in Soi Nana include:
- Hollywood Royale: This bar gets packed. After about 10:00
p.m. they have lesbian sex shows on stage. The quality of girls here
varies tremendously.
- Bubblegum: Small bar to the left as you enter the plaza.
- Farang Connection - Second Floor; more rock n' roll than
technopop.
Seems to be popular with the Ex Pat population.
Nearby hotels include the Landmark ($130++) - which will sometimes allow
guests - Nana Hotel ($38) - which always allows guests - and several
others.
3. Soi Cowboy:
This bar area has gone down hill in recent years. It used to be the
favorite among the expatriates, but Soi Nana now has that honor. It is
generally cheaper than either Patpong or Nana Plaza, and this is
reflected
in the quality of the women available. The best bar is probably Tilac.
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Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 20:37:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: info ..hey I'm in thailand !!!!!!!!
Hey Atta:
howdy....Okay...fingering keys at a cyber cafe about 100m from the nana.
i'm sure you know about the new bars at the nana...the touts are
really more agressive to get you in the bar than previous years.. The
new thermae is open and not impressive....really , really, really,
scuzzy and well...had the sense of scraping the bottom of the barrell.
Down the street from the Dynasty Inn is the Heidelburg. restaurant.
Good european food but man...old fat belly, balding, beer belching
germans....and the women are...aahhhhh.....well weathered!
I would say the best place to go to these days is the pretty girl and
vodoo bar. the royale..seems to have an awful lot of trannys and I
mean alot.
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Subject: [ASP] Bangkok Private Club report
Date: 1998/01/06
Back in 93 I had the pleasure of going to the Chamois Member Club in
BKK.
I was in Asia on business and took a 3 day stop in Bangkok in between
Seoul and Singapore.Since I was on the business tab I stayed in a nice
suite at the Shangri-la on the river. This was in May and it was hotter
than hades! The first two nights I checked out the hotel bar and Patpong
scenes. Patpong was interesting but I had been before and this time it
was a little loud and congested for me so the third night I decided to
try something different. Fodor's guidebook had mentioned the Chamois
Club, a private "upscale" nightclub with a reputation for having
beautiful hostesses. I set off about 8pm, first stopping at the hotel
desk to get directions for the taxi. Both men at the desk immediately
brightened up at the mention of the club and said I was very lucky to be
going there, they envied me! So it must have had a good local
reputation.
They also pronounced it as the "Cha -moy" club and gave me a card with
the address in Thai for the driver.
The cab took me to a residential area near some embassies, I think, and
I
went into a one level standalone building and stood in a small lobby.
Soon a woman appeared who introduced herself as a manager. She said they
were open, but most of the girls would not be here for about an hour as
it was slow season. I said I would go eat and come back. Luckily the cab
was still there as I think he was waiting to go in and get his
commission
for delivering me there - very common in Asia. I took the taxi to the
Hard Rock Cafe and had a good burger and beer at the bar, and was able
to
watch and American airline pilot (not American Airlines) make an ass of
himself trying to impress some stewardesses from another airline. About
9:30 I headed back to the nightclub and saw the same manager, who sat me
down at a desk and explained why I should like to become a member of the
club. There were several expensive options, from lifetime down to one
year, and I think they ran from several hundred to over $1000. But you
got freebies such as liquor and free barfines depending on your level of
membership. I explained that I was just there for one more day and
wouldn't be back for several years and settled for the temporary
membership I think about $15. Even though you had to listen to the
pitch,
it was low key and they accepted what you wanted.
I entered the club and sat at the bar, which had very beautiflul girls
pouring drinks to some local-looking business and army types. At the far
end of the bar was an ugly old lady who handled all the money. I talked
with one of the cute bartenders who spoke fairly good english and she
explained how the club worked. There were seating areas with couches and
coffee tables tiered around a stage with band, and video monitors
playing
Playboy videos. The female singer was singing popular Thai songs. There
were several private rooms which seemed to be busy, and groups of well
dressed hostesses went in and out of them. After a few drinks at the bar
and getting aquainted with the place, I went to a couch and sat, and
immediately a waiter appeared. Very friendly, spoke English, and took my
drink order-expensive at about $6 each I think(not beer). Soon, a
mamasan
appeared followed by a string of girls, all very attractive and in
different sizes. I picked one friendly looking girl, who sat and smiled.
As I tried to talk to her I realized that all she did was smile, nod,
and
clutch my arm really hard. Then I knew I had "pulled a boner" by not
asking for one who could speak English. As I had already chosen her, sat
for a while and bought her a ladies drink I asked the waiter what I
should do, not wanting everyone to lose face. He suggested I tip her and
went to get mamasan who came right away. I paid mamasan the barfine for
the girl anyway and gave the girl $20 so everyone went away happy ( I
wasn't on a budget on this trip so why not), and mamasan soon appeared
with a very pretty girl that spoke English fairly well. Her name was
"Aaaaaaaaa" or something like that and she said she was a University
student who worked at this club on weekends.
After some more drinks and pleasant conversation, she went to the ladies
room and the waiter came over and asked if I would like to take this
girl
out of the bar. "She's a very lovely girl and hasn't been working here
very long". OK I said and paid him my bar tab and her bar fine of $40 I
think. She reappeared, the waiter whispered to her and she became very
happy and bouncy. She said she had to go change and would meet me at the
bar. She came back dressed fairly conservatively and I later found out
that while they may be dancers or hostesses in the club, they are
usually
conservative in public. I asked if she wanted to come to my hotel and
she
said "Short-time girl not allowed to go into First Class hotel". She got
a cab and we went to an ordinary looking 10 story hotel where she
checked
in and I paid. Up the elevator to the room, which was fairly good -
maybe
Ramada Inn standard- but the lights and AC were controlled by meter from
the front desk! This whole time after paying the bar fine she had never
mentioned any money, when I asked her at the club what I should pay, she
always deferred.
She suggested we take a bath, and undressed shyly. I on the other hand
was equipped with my stuntman's velcro outfit which comes off with one
pull (joke) and we went in the tub. She giggled at how "hairy" I was and
made appropriate comments on the size of my equimpent (insincere but
enjoyable) and we did mutual rubbing and scrubbing. She was indeed
almost
perfect plus large breasts (natural) for a Thai girl. Out of the tub and
into the bed which she hopped into shyly and pulled the sheet up to her
neck. I climbed in and the rest is left to your imagination. In summary
she was nice in all ways and overall better than expected.
After getting dressed, I gave her about $80 and she seemed very pleased
(1993 dollars) she asked if I would come back to the club tomorrow but I
explained I was on to Singapore. She then invited me to a late dinner
since the club was closed now, so we went to a cafe, had a good cheap
meal and more chatting. Getting tired, so I paid for dinner and gave her
another $10 for taxi home although she didn't want the money. All in
all
a very pleasurable (but not cheap) experience. Would like to know if
anyone else has been to Chamois, if it is still there, and if anyone has
been to similar clubs. Happy travelling!
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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 1998 08:04:51
Subject: Information on Bangkok bar jan 98
If you get tired of the usual scene in Patpong or Nana Entertainment
complex (as you inevitably will!) try to go off the beaten track for a
somewhat pricy but quiet bar with a good atmosphere and cheerful girls
- the Elysee Bar Lounge. It is located in a cul-de-sac to the left as
you enter Soi 11 on Sukhumvit - right across from the Calypso. You
will have to turn around the corner where there is a pittoresquely
decorated open-air bar - then you will se the Elysee at the far end of
this colorful little backyard. I like the Elysee because of the
playful mood of the girls, the quiet music that actually permits you
to hear your own voice as you talk, and of course the sweet
experiences I have had upstairs. (Yes, there has been at least one
annoying incident proving that this place on earth isn't perfect
either.)
They charge 1600 bath for "short time" (one and a half hour) and
2100 for "long time" (all night). Also drinks are slightly expensive
here. But I still like it.
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Date: Wed, 17 May 1995 09:12:37 UTC
Just an interesting sidenote...
My buddies and I went into an "upstairs bar" to watch a woman perform
amazing acts with her organs. It was free to get in, but when we
tried to leave two huge bouncers told us we would have to pay 500 baht
to leave. We didn't have much choice but to pay up. Asia is nice,
but be careful.
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Subject: cheating in BKK
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 15:14:15 UTC
Description of the occurrences concerning a cheating on 2.7.1995 in
Bangkok
2. July, Bangkok: I was on the way to the Wat Po. To go there, I used
the
express-boat. When I reached the Chang Ferry Pier, there was a man, who
asked me: "Where do you want to go?" I said: "I want to go to the Wat
Po." He told me, that the Wat Po is closed on this day because of the
elections in Thailand and he asked me if want to see some other Wats and
places, for example: Wat Indraviharn, Wat Paknam and the Export Center.
I
told him, that I want to go to the Weekend-market and he said, that the
tuk-tuk will take me to some different places including the
Export-Center
and the Weekend-market, all for 10 Bart. In this moment I didn't know
anything about the so called Export-Center, but I accepted because I
thought: It's cheap, even if the tuk-tuk-driver will take later 50 Bart,
it's cheap. So I did and the tuk-tuk-driver took me to Wat Indraviharn
and Wat Paknam. In Wat Paknam was a man from Thailand, who was speaking
English very well. He was wearing a portable telephone and was dressed
very correctly (white shirt, necktie...). He was very friendly and he
asked me many things (important to know for the cheating), like:
business
or holiday, traveling alone, profession, first time in Thailand, and
some
other thing, just sort like alibi for talking: my religion, my opinion
about the Buddhism and some other things. We were talking about half an
hour and he told me, that he just purchased some blue sapphires in a
special shop, called Export-Center. He told me, that he just got married
(pretended his wife was praying during our talk) and now in honeymoon on
the way to Singapore. There he wanted to sell the blue sapphires to earn
the money for this honeymoontrip.
Furthermore there will be a special opportunity for me: normally this
shop act only to wholesale trade, but now in these days the shop is open
for "normal" people like tourists and also people (students) from
Thailand, who don't trade with precious stones in a professional way.
This shop is controlled by the government of Thailand and the government
wants to give the possibility to tourists and students to earn some
money. This possibility exists only 3 days per year. The man showed me a
receipt about his deal (about 4800 US$) and seemed to be very glad with
it. He wanted to explain how to find the way to this special shop, but I
told him, that a tuk-tuk-driver is waiting for me and that the driver
already was talking about a so called Export-Center. Seemed to satisfy
him and we said good-bye.
I went to the tuk-tuk-driver, the next station was this Export-Center:
it
was on the other side of the river, black colored windows with silver
letters: Maneechai, security-men were standing outside. I arrived and
the
security-men opened the door. Inside the air-condition was working very
hard: it was cold (maybe about 15 degrees). Inside there was a big room
with different doors, also a staircase to a upstairs floor. In this
moment there were about 5 people in this room. Somebody asked me about
my
desire. I said: "I just came for take a look." They asked me, if I am
interested to see how to distinguish imitated from real stones. I said
O.K., may be that's interesting.
I was escorted into another room in the first floor, and a Lady, Mrs. V.
spoke to me. At first they served me a cup of coffee. (I accepted this
drink.) The following conversation took about 1,5 hours. Mrs. V. told me
the same story about the government of Thailand and this special
opportunity to buy blue sapphires. Mrs. V. told me, that I will earn
much
money (I could not remember the exact sum, my brain was not working at
this time. She made compliments to me (about my shirt and things like
this) She explained the way of the procedure: The Maneechai-company will
take me to a goldseller in Mah Boonkrong Shopping Center, they will buy
gold for 4500 US$ for MANEECHAI with my credit-card. They will send 5
cut
stones to a friend of mine in Germany, who could sell the stones. In any
case of inconvenience they will be at my service. Mrs. V. told me: You
can give back the stone to our house during one month and you will get
back the whole money. My brain was not working any more, out of order, I
believe that there was a sort of drug in the coffee: I couldn't remember
anything and the whole proceedure was for me like buying some
cigarettes...
I signed the receipt (my feeling was like buying a pack of cigarettes)
and we did as described.
In the evening I was beginning to understand what happened to me. Next
morning I went to MANEECHAI to cancel the deal. Mrs. V. was not there, I
spoke to an other man (C. , who told me that the stones are already on
the way to Germany. No way to cancel the deal. And he told me: you are
right: She cheated you, the stones are wrong! Then he tried to do an
other deal with me. In this time, I thought: listen clearly but never
make a deal with Thais again! He wanted to go outside of BBK with me
(about 20 km), to a special place, where he whanted to buy with my money
some others but real stones!
Next day I was by the tourist police in Bangkok, but they told me they
can only act if the stones are in Bangkok. I also asked the German
ambassador, but he couldn't do anything in my case.
So, you see: be careful, this costs 4500 US Dollars! Just say NO, if
somebody is trying to sell something, especially if he talks english.
There are not many reasons to speak english: bargirls, some
tourist-policemen or true businessmen, most who talk english do that
because of business, but take care about the sort of buisness.
I have much more experiences about Thailand, later more...
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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 03:35:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Patpong, Bangkok
I read the extensive reports of Patpong and most of the info is indeed
accurate. One subject that was barely touched upon though was the
subject of getting conned from some of the bars in Patpong. Let me
explain my story.
Walking through Patpong, I was approached by a young man with a flier.
He says, "come see sex show! No cover!" I ask him how much for a beer,
as I just wanted to get some alcohol in me first. He shows me a price
list, and says "60 baht!" So I follow him to a bar and have a beer.
The
place was almost empty, and there was a girl doing a Ping Pong show on a
small stage. I quickly drink my beer and attemt to leave to find a
livelier place. The bill comes, and it is 2800 baht! I demand an
explanation from the mama-san, and she shows me a price board she has
convenienty hidden behind the counter, out of plain view. It shows 500
baht cover, 1500 for the show, and 300 for the beer. I argue that the
boy
who brought me said no cover and 60 for the beer. The head lady says
she
knows of no such boy!! I was fuming, ready to fight my way out.
Instead, I threaten to bring the police back, which scares them a
little. After much yelling and name calling on my part, I depart paying
1000 baht. That much for 1 beer! Later, after going to some legitimate
bars (mostly operated by the King's Group) I find that many other
foreigners were taken by this scam as well, and find from them that
there
are numerous other bars that also do this wicked practice. The common
part of our stories was that we all got led into upstairs bars which
offer shows. My advice: when in Patpong, be extremely wary of
solicitors
who try to tempt you with cheap beer and free shows, no matter how
sincere they may sound. I found that the King's group was honest, but
there were also other nice places with beautiful women. All had
beer/entry prices posted right at the window so there would be no
disputes.
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The "meanest and baddest" of the BKK areas is Patpong. For a
less expensive time and virtually the same quality level, try the
Nana Plaza. A bar girl in Patpong will cost you 1500 Baht plus
the bar fine of 325 Baht. At the Nana Plaza, the gal will cost
500 Baht.
If you want to see one of the "sex shows" (just like
temples...seen one, you've see them all), try the Queens Castle
in Patpong. At the bars run by the Kings Group, you generally
will not get ripped off, but be careful and look for a check
after ordering each drink.
I don't know where the 80% AIDS rate/ and special strain of AIDs
comment came from.... I doubt if it's accurate, however,
EVERYONE should play safe when in BKK, or anywhere.
If you're up later, try hitting the Therme Coffee Shop after
midnight for an experience you will never duplicate anywhere else
in the world.!!!
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Date: 13 Jul 1995 03:25:36 GMT
Concerning Thermae Coffee Shop: I've BEEN there! Everything you say is
true. Among my friends (and thousands of other travelers) Thermaes is
the number one GLOBAL hangout ;-)
Jampacked with Thai girls seeking to pick up foreigners for a "good
time".
Sometimes secretaries, ship-girls, even schoolteachers and other
"semi-pros" make the scene to earn a little extra cash.
I once picked up a sweet young thing at Thermaes and I picked her
for two reasons:
1.) She had large breasts. I was not disappointed :-)
2.) She sported a pair of eyeglasses on her pretty face; she appeared
very intellectual. I found out when I got her to my room that the
lenses were plain glass. The glasses were just a prop. I couldn't
find if she wore them because she thought they made her look
better (somehow I doubt that) , or because she found that a good
looking, big titted babe with eyeglasses attracts a superior sort
of fellow at a place like Thermae Coffe Shop <g>.
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Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 11:41:49 UTC
The Nana is still kicking, having been there just over 3 weeks ago. My
mates and I had a great time. Tips for any takers? First of all, the
Nana hotel across the street is THE place to stay. The rooms do not
look great, but the pool is a nice comfort the day after. Also, it is
only a stumble across the street. The closing time these days is
around 4am, only the Hollywood Royale is open later. These days, or
'off season' , as we have been told, the talent at the Nana is better
than in Patpong. However, prices have caught up, as the girls ask for
1000 Baht up front. You can bargain etc. For any Asians planning a
lookie - beware if you look like a Thai, because they are not so
friendly, and a bit more than wary of you! I guess it would be the
same as if a gang of blokes was in one of the joints, and suddenly a
lass from their home town walks in you'd get a bit chilled, too.
The Thermae bar is tops, mate. Let it he known that the man in the
uniform in the middle of the room really is a cop -the chief of
police, as well as the governor of the bar. Do not mess around in
here, mates.
You are now up to date on the state of affairs.
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Subject: Re: The Thermae, Bangkok Thailand
Date: Sun, 07 Jul 1996 13:26:55 GMT
>When I was in Bangkok in January, a lady I have know for several years
>told me that the Thermae would be closing in a few months. Does anyone
>know if this has happened or not? Bangkok won't be the same without
it.
>If it has closed, is there somewhere else that is taking it's place?
It was NOT closed as of June 8 1996. There have been rumours of
Thermae closing for several years, as yet it hasn't happened.
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Subject: Thermae closing
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 06:36:20 GMT
(UPI Spot NewsFeature) (12 July 1996)
Bangkok expats mourn Thermae closure
By JOHN HAIL
BANGKOK (UPI) -- A late-night Bangkok expatriate institution
for 35 years, the Thermae Coffee Shop, will close its doors for
the last time Sunday.
During the Vietnam War it vied for the prize of "favorite G.I.
bar" with such legendary late-night haunts as the Thai Yanok and
the Grace Hotel.
Only the Thermae survived Bangkok's frenzied modernization and
building boom basically unchanged -- until Sunday when a wrecking
crew is due to begin carting away the tacky chairs and tables
that supported the Thermae's distinctly Thai floating world.
Seven nights a week, barring coups and Buddhist holidays, the
Thermae was packed with mainly Western men and mainly
Northeastern Thai women from midnight through the wee hours.
Their intercultural interaction varied from a "short-time" to
a lifetime.
There are no statistics on how many marriages began with a
furtive glance -- or grope -- at the Thermae. But there can be no
doubt that the crowded, subterranean coffeeshop in the heart of
Bangkok's Sukhumvit Road tourist belt was a prime breeding ground
for a vast number of Thai-foreigner romantic liaisons.
"The first time I dropped down to the Thermae was in 1967 and
most of the customers were G.I.s," recalled Norman Smith, 54, a
long-time American resident of Thailand. "In those days there was
a lot of rivalry between the services, mostly between the Marines
and the Army, so there were lots of fights."
He said intense rivalry also existed between the American
servicemen on "rest and recreation" visits from Vietnam and the
more than 50,000 G.I.s based in Thailand, referred to derisively
by the combat veterans as "Bangkok warriors."
"After the bars closed the Thermae would fill up with G.I.s
and a few civilians," Smith said. "The juke box played the song
'San Francisco' over and over. The girls from the massage parlor
upstairs drifted down in their pink hot pants. It was great."
The name Thermae is of Greek origin, a kind of bath house
where Romans gathered to discuss the issues of the day.
Bangkok's Thermae reputedly sold more beer -- mainly the
potent local favorite, Singha -- than any other outlet in
Thailand.
High volume and, it was whispered, first-rate police
connections, made the Thermae resistant, but not immune, to
periodic vice crackdowns and coups.
Post-coup curfews would generally push the Thermae's prime
time back a few hours. Then, as the midnight hour approached, a
mating frenzy would sweep the coffeeshop.
Those who managed to pair up in time would then have to deal
with the taxi drivers whose greed knew no bounds in the countdown
to curfew.
The Thermae has survived by bending with the prevailing
political and economic winds.
When the G.I.s pulled out in 1976 the breech was filled by a
surge of European "sex tourists," and waves of youthful
back-packers.
The Thermae partied on.
Bangkok-based Canadian novelist Christopher Moore found
inspiration in the Thermae for a series of novels. In "A Killing
Smile," the thinly disguised Thermae is called "Headquarters."
Like many of the Thermae's "old hands," Moore mourned the
closing of "HQ" as the end of an era.
"The Thermae was the perfect crossroads where people of all
nationalities dropped into the underworld, the nightworld," Moore
said. "No one was excluded. Old hands. New hands. People with no
hands. The Thermae was the ultimate party, a celebration of
conversation, local gossip, travelers information and of course,
there were the women."
The Thermae women have, in general, accepted the nightspot's
imminent destruction more philosophically than the men. "Mai pen
rai" (Never mind), is, after all, Thailand's unofficial national
motto.
"We only came here because the coffee was cheaper than at the
Grace, the Nana and the Thai Yanok," shrugged one distaff Thermae
25-year veteran. "There will always be another place."
Indeed, a "new Thermae," located in a basement a couple of
doors up Sukhuvit Road is scheduled to open Tuesday.
"I'm sorry we have to close," lamented a Thermae waiter. "But
what can I do? They want to build a condo or something. Come to
the new place. It will be just the same."
But old Thermae hands already have started complaining it's
just not the same.
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Subject: Re: Thermae Coffee shp/Thailand
Date: 1996/09/15
>> Does anyone know if Thermae was closed down, and why?
> Yes, it was closed before March of this year.
Thermae is not closed, it's relocated right up the street.
Business as usual.
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Date: Fri, 03 Jan 1997 18:25:22 +0700
Subject: Re: Thai info
I meant to send in something sooner, but frankly the FAQ's you already
have are really good -- considering that from internal evidence it
appears these guys have only been to Thailand three or four times they
really have a handle on it.
OK, something that might be useful: It's widely known that the old
Thermae
closed down months ago. What isn't so widely known is that it opened up
again only about 50 meters away. It's still located on Sukhumvit Road
between Soi 13 and Soi 15, but about 50 meters closer to Soi 15. It's in
the
basement of the Ruam Chitt building, which also houses something called
The
Marble House Traditional Thai Massage (can't tell you anything about it
--
massage parlors aren't my thing). As of New Years 1970 they finally put
up a
fairly noticeable sign.
Reasons I like the Thermae:
(a) The girls don't work there, so there's no bar fine; you don't buy
the
girl out when you want to take her out.
(b) The girls charge less than the girls who work at Nana Plaza, Soi
Cowboy,
or (shudder) Patpong. Most will still go for 600 baht (for a short-time,
about 1-1/2 to 2 hours), some want more. This is one area where you can
still bargain on the price.
(c) Actually, the girls are the same girls who work at Nana Plaza, Soi
Cowboy, or (shudder) Patpong -- they are just trying to earn more by
going
to the Thermae after their regular place closes.
(d) Although I don't take advantage of it, girls at the Thermae will
agree
to an "all-night" deal. In this case, since you wouldn't start until
after
midnight, what they mean is they'll stay with you until noon or so. The
girls at the bars absolutely won't go all night (although they may
promise
to, and charge accordingly).
Friends of mine compare the Thermae to the bar scene in Star Wars. I
think I
like it because it is slightly (?) bizarre.
The main drawback with the Thermae is the hours -- usually nothing
happens
earlier than 1:00 am, and things don't get really good until 3:00 am.
But
don't give up! For people (like myself) who don't always want to stay
out
all night, thoughtful entrepreneurs in Bangkok have opened a place on
Soi 7
called the Biergarten. Actually, it's been there for many years, but I
don't
think it's been open as long as the Thermae. The Biergarten is actually
a
German restaurant which opens about noon and is open until 2:00 am. A
large
number of young women hang out there until midnight, when they go to the
Thermae. Luck seems to be important at the Biergarten -- some days none
of
the women there seem to be attractive, other days lots of them are. Very
variable.
As you may have noticed above I am strongly prejudiced against Patpong.
The
bar owners over there seem to have only one reaction -- if business is
not
good, raise the price. I used to enjoy sitting at the outside bar of a
place
called the Love Boat and watching the action on the street. The streets
are
now so filled by vendors' carts that you can hardly walk through.
Because of
the high prices most of the places nearly went under last year, and a
lot of
the girls moved to Nana Plaza and Soi Cowboy. However, a lot of tourists
still go to Patpong, because that's what they've heard about.
A new law went into effect last month which increases the punishment for
engaging in sex with a prostitute under the age of 15 and makes it
punishable to have sex with a prostitute under the age of 18. Since the
new
law also makes it a crime to be a prostitute, many of us believe that
its
purpose is mostly to increase the power of the police to collect bribes
and
possible also to increase the power of brothel owners and pimps. This is
really unfortunate, because in the past pimps hardly existed here.
People who are looking for really young girls had better figure on
looking
outside of Bangkok. The youngest girl I've found so far is 18 (or at
least
has a good ID card that says she's 18), and even the 60 Minutes TV team
couldn't find a girl under 18 on Patpong. I have read somewhere, and
have
heard around, that younger girls often go to Pattaya when they hear a
ship
will be in. On the other hand I haven't looked very hard for young girls
and
am quite sure that some can be found in the brothels that exist for Thai
and
Chinese men. I knew where some were several years ago, and I wouldn't
recommend those neighborhoods to out-of=towners.
Also on the downside, the owners of Nana Entertainment Plaza have built
two
new beer bars in the middle of the compound. This is not quite as bad as
the
vendors' carts in Patpong, but does reduce the pleasure of sitting
outside
and watching things. Also, prices keep creeping up.
I'll try to put together a more organized information sheet. Meanwhile,
I
don't know of any changes that need to be made to the FAQ's. All the
places
mentioned by name that I can think of are still in business. Aside from
the
constant pressure upward on prices there haven't been any significant
changes in the last two years.
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Date: Sun, 09 Feb 1997 23:56:40 +0100
Subject: Thermae (Bangkok)
I can confirm that the new Thermae is open. It's now situated 50 meter
further than the old Thermae. It is under the hotel Ruamshitt Plaza in
Sukhumvit between soi 13 & 15. It's still the best place to go when you
need a "new love".
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Date: Thu, 06 Mar 97 23:41:35 -0800
Subject: Bangkok
I recently stayed for a couple of nights at the Nana Hotel, and had a
fantastic time. The hotel is not the last word in modern accomodation,
being rather tatty and decayed, but the girls are amazing and there is
no
hassle about "visitors" to your room. I arrived at 6.oo a.m. and I was
picked up by two girls in the coffee shop, on arival!
One was large and beautiful, the other was slightly drunk and beautiful.
The bathed, massaged and fucked me, singly and together, for about three
hours, for 1 000 baht each. As a result, I slept for most of the day and
stayed awake for most of the night.
The Nana Entertainment Plaza now rivals, or betters, Patpong. It is not
as extensive but it has enough bars and girls to cope with the
clientele,
probably at a lower price than Patpong. The quality is a matter of taste
but I found the girls easily as beautiful and friendly as in Patpong.
I visited the new Thermae coffee shop, which I think is an improvement
on
the old dive, and picked up two girls. I had a slighlty unpleasant
experience with a western guy who was wandering around the place
insulting the girls - one of them told me that he regularly approaches
the girls for free sex and abuses them when they refuse. I cannot
understand this attitude, and I had harsh words with him before he got
the message and pissed off. The girls were great - they even even had
oral sex with each other other for an extra 500 baht (on top of the 1
000
each) and pretended to enjoy it, I suppose for my benefit.
The last night I spent in the Nana "Love Disco", which is full of
beautiful girls and sad western businessmen (like me). I ended up with
another two girls, who were completely uninhibited with me and with each
other. Again, the price was only 1 000 baht but I gave them another 1
000
each for making me come several times. I won't be going back to Patpong
-
the Nana area is unbeatable.
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Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 17:59:16 +0200
Subject: [ASP] about Thermae Coffee Shop in Bangkok
Now, I opened a web site related to Thermae Coffee House in Bangkok.
This
web site is not dealing with prostitution, but I think can be of some
interest for WSG readers. So I propose to add a link:
www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Temple/1107
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Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 17:07:05 +0100
Subject: World sex guide -Bangkok and Chiang Mai - Thailand
For the past 5 years I have spent 3 months of each year in Thailand and
have just returned from my last trip. I speak a little Thai. Perhaps I
can
update your files to a small extent. My experiences cover Bangkok and
Chiang Mai.
Many other contributors to this database have said that in Bangkok, the
sex
industry is concentrated in Patpong, Soi Cowboy and Nana Plaza in that
order, that was true 5 years ago but now Nana is the place to be. The
names
of the establishments seem to change every year and I cannot remember
them
anyway. The best girls seem to be at the bars with the fewest outside
lights. Up to 12 Aug. 97 when I left, the bar with the best girls by far
was on the ground floor in the extreme top right hand corner as you come
in
to the Plaza. When I first arrived in Mar 97 they had no outside lights
at
all, just a small door with no name and I was not aware of the existence
of
the place until a Thai friend took me there. In June they had a few
"Christmas Tree" Lights but it is still easy to miss it. They attract
Thais
as well as visitors. I had five of the most beautiful women that I have
ever seen from this bar in June and July 97. All would have been
candidates
for Miss World and one 19 year old completely natural beauty would have
had
Pamela Anderson reaching for the bicycle pump. They ask for either 1400
Baht or 1000 Baht for 3 hours in your hotel room, but are negotiable
down
to 800 Baht (or sometimes lower after 1 am). My experience is not to
press
them below 1000 baht (the 200 Baht difference is 2 beers- and you make a
friend). Bar fines seem to be standard at 400 Baht, Small Singha beer
65
Baht, ladydrinks 60 Baht (the girl gets about half of this).
I have visited all of the other bars in the Plaza and they are OK too,
but
some were too quiet for comfort. Sometimes the small newly opened bars
are
exceptional value and have amazing girls.
In the Plaza almost all the girls dance topless and some nude after
midnight. None of this swimsuit nonsense that you get at Patpong.
Generally the establishments and the girls at bars in Bangkok are
completely honest (several times a girl has returned a tip when she
thought
I had made a mistake), but for the first time in 1997 there were two
attempts to cheat me.
Once in Patpong I paid a bar fine and the girl disappeared, after 30
minutes I complained to the boss and he immediately refunded my money,
no
questions asked.
Once in Soi Cowboy, 100 baht was added to my tab "for the music". I
protested and it was immediately refunded.
The message is check your tab and if you think you have been treated
badly
then complain. But this is unusual. Always treat the staff of the Bars
and
the girls with courtesy, in the Thai culture you look stupid if you
loose
your temper, have drunk too much, or misrepresent the truth. The girls
may
be young and are often sexually inexperienced, but some are well
educated,they may have degrees. Some do the bar work partly to improve
their English and finance their postgraduate higher education. They (and
many Thais) see their work as no different from someone e.g. selling
financial services.
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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:07:07 CST
Subject: Bangkok, Thailand
THOUGH well-patronised, it is generally
accepted by regulars that the second location of
the favourite constellation (after hours meeting
place) in Fun City is inferior to the original. So
Thermae will be moving again shortly, this time
across Sukhumvit, diagonally opposite - between
Sois 10 & 12. I'll keep you Posted.
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Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 14:48:35 +0700
Subject: Bangkok : Nana Entertainment Plaza
Hello. The World Sex Guide is a great place to roam. Me and my friends
find it very useful and informative. Loads of great stuff.
Three of us guys are now at Bangkok Airport sending this message. We
have just spent three days here checking out the "sights". I think it
is safe to say we have tried almost everything.
From the guide, we gathered that Nana is supposed to be a great place
with beautiful and attractive girls. Thinking that this would be true,
we visited Nana to take a look and try our luck.
Unfortunately, we must say that we are absolutely disappointed with the
place. We found that the girls too young and unattractive compared to
those at Patpong (esp. King's Garden. This is the place to be !!! Many
beauties, although considerable doubt as to whether many of them are
actually female.)
While it is true that one man's meat is another man's poison, all three
of us unanimously agree that the praise for Nana found in the World Sex
Guide is totally undeserved. To our minds, the place seemed like a
haven for paedophiles.
Although Patpong may be a bit more expensive, we find it much better
than Nana by a long mile.
So for those of you still keen to visit Nana, don't get your hopes too
high !!!!
Doctor Moon Ray
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WSG.)
This happened a few years ago now, but when I last visited Darling
they still gave excellent (if somewhat expensive) service.
On my third afternoon in Bangkok i decided to find a massage parlour.
This was my first trip to Thailand. The two nights I'd spent there I
had no problems finding girls to spend the night with, but I was a
little disappointed. The first girl had been 19, cute, but very, very
sad. The second one, it turned out, was a rather mercenary type.
None of them had been really good in bed, so now I wanted some good
sex. According to my little Bangkok nightlife guidebook there was a
good massage parlour, Darling, at soi 12. I was living at Nana hotel
on soi 4 (a soi is a smaller side street) so I decided to walk. This
was my first visit to a massage parlour, so I felt a little nervous
and had two gin and tonic before going. It took me about 10 minutes
to walk there. Outside it was hot, damp and hectic, but once I got
inside that changed. It was cool, calm and dark. I was greeted by a
Thai gentelman in suit and tie who asked me in reasonable English if
he could help me. As we stepped in I saw about 50 girls sitting
behind a window waiting. I knew I wanted "body massage", where the
masseuse uses her whole body to massage you. I told him so. He
showed me to a smaller section on the left of the room. Behind
another glass screen there were about 20 women of different ages and
looks. They were all nicely dressed and they each had a little badge
with a number tagged onto them. After a few minutes of silence and my
staring at them he asked me who I liked. I wanted a good blow job
because the two girls I had had the last two night hadn't given me
any. Embarressed I mumbled something to that effect, and that I
didn't know who I wanted. I'm not sure he got the message, but he
said that number something and number 41 were very good. I looked for
them. Number 41 was sitting almost in the far right corner of the
room. My guide book had told me that the bottom left is for the
inexperienced and the far right for the experienced women. Number 41
looked like she could be between 30 and 35, she looked OK and had
ample breasts. I wanted someone who knew how to give me a good time.
"OK, number 41." I said. He repeated the number in Thai in a
microphone and I went over to the counter to pay.
"My girl" (I can't remember her name, but let's call her Noi) appeared
and smiled at me. We took the elevator to the room and she started
chatting in surprisingly good English. I also figured out (both by
looking and later conversation) that she was probably close to 40.
But I didn't care as she had a very nice body. We got into a big
massage room with a bed and a tub area. She started preparing things
and I just sat down. A elderly lady knocked on the door and asked if
we wanted anything to drink. I got a bottle of Kloster beer and Noi a
coke. She continued preparing for the message by putting an
inflatable mattress next to the tub and filling the tub itself. The
elderly lady reappeared with the drinks.
This was appearantly the preliminaries, Noi now started undressing. I
took this as a que and did the same. She quickly got out of her dress
and wrapped herself in a towel at the same time. She then came over
to me and helped me take off my socks and underware. She smiled at me
and my rising cock. Noi led me to the bathtub, took off her towel and
we stepped in. I could now see her naked for the first time. Yes,
she did have nice body. And the longest nipples I've ever seen. They
were very close to an inch long. We sat down in the hot water and she
started washing every part of my body with great care. Neck, back,
toes, legs, ... When I could reach her breasts during her washing I
fondled them, and felt her incredible nipples. To clean my chest she
had me lie on my back in the tub and was sitting down between my legs.
My pelvis floated up and my rock hard cock appeared out of the water
just in front of her face. She made a little gasp, but soon
recovered.
She slid it into her mouth. Umm, heaven, this woman knew her job.
She placed both her little hands around my throbbing shaft and worked
the head with her mouth. This was what I wanted! Unfortunately I
couldn't contain myself and after just a few minutes I blew my load.
She expertly took it all in her mouth and milked my balls and cock to
get the full load. I said "Oops, I didn't mean to come this
quickly.", but she just replied "Don't worry, darling, I can make you
come ten times." Yeah, sure! She cleaned my cock and we proceeded to
the next step.
The next step turned out to be me on my belly on the mattress. She
covered me with suds and started slithering all over me. She did use
all of her body for it; I could often feel her pubic hair against my
body. After a while she had me turn over and continued her massage.
Body massage was all I thought it would be. It has to be experienced.
It's not just a sexual experience, I mean, I had just shot my load and
my cock was rather limp through the whole thing. (Actually, at later
visits I found out that a really hard cock during a body massage can
be almost painful as it gets in the way when the masseuse slithers
around. Well, there is, of course, a nice place where it fits
perfectly, but that's another story.) After about 15 minutes of this
massage she had me get up and rinsed the suds off our bodies.
We laid down on the bed, I had some of my beer and she started giving
my back a massage. When I turned over she spotted my now hardening
cock and quickly moved down and started another incredible blow job.
After a few minutes of this I was very hard again. I had her continue
for about another ten minutes just enjoying her incredible technique,
but then I decided I should try her pussy too. I easily slid into her
welcoming cunt and we did some missionary style fucking. It felt
wonderful and satisfying, but now I knew where her real area of
expertise was. I withdrew and got back on my back asking her to
continue her blow job. She happily complied. I don't know what she
did, but she could do tricks with her mouth that I've never
experienced before or after (except at my second visit to her at
Darling a few days later). After another five or ten minutes I
exploded another load into her eager mouth. She milked my balls and
cock again, but there wasn't very much there. This was my third fuck
of the day after all (I had one in morning).
I felt drained and happy when she washed my cock. She asked me if I
wanted a rest. We had now spent about an hour and these session are
typically 1.5 hours so I said sure and laid down on the bed again.
She gave me a very nice back rub and I almost fell asleep.
As I turned over to get up I saw a little smile in her eyes. She bent
down and took my very limp cock in her mouth. I almost protested
since I didn't feel like it, but decided to let her go ahead; it felt
pretty good after all. She now started another, even more incredible
blow job. She seemed to have some tricks left. As my hardened she
took some ice in her mouth, she did some deep throating, ... She also
massaged my balls and places between my legs that really made my dick
go back to its former vigour. I don't know how, but after another ten
minutes of this I came again. Once more she milked my balls and cock,
but nothing came out. She had sucked me dry. She finally managed to
squeeze a drop out to prove that she had done her job.
Again she washed my cock, after that I didn't lie down, but I got
dressed instead. I almost started believing that she could make me
come ten times. But now I had had enough. It's a strange thing to
say, but you can orgasm to much too.
I gave her a really big tip and left Darling very satisfied with my
first massage parlour visit. Later visits have shown me that she was
indeed exceptional, I've hardly ever been disappointed, but on the
other hand I've never encountered anyone as skilled with her mouth
again.
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Subject: [ASP] Bangkok
Date: 10 Feb 1997 03:48:58 GMT
I was in BKK in Jan. until the 7th...all the stuff you read about it is
true. It's heaven for those who like to indulge in the simple pleasures
of life like fucking some sweet young sexy Asian honeys. My favorite
spots were the massage parlours, there are many around the city, but
don't ever tell a taxi or tuk tuk driver that you want to go to one
because they get a good commission and you will be getting the farang
rip-off rate...if you want decent quality but low prices, in the
neiborhood of $28 US, go to a place where there are no farangs, one I
found is on Petchaburi road near soi 45, it's near a Lancer (Mitsubishi)
dealer, there is no english at all on the sign, just a huge sign in Thai
with flashing lights, the flashing lights usually mean either a disco, a
karaoke or a massage parlour in Bangkok. The place is next to a place
called Riviera, not too far from a foot bridge to cross the road...the
doors are blue in color. There are 3 sets of girls inside, the body to
body girls that cost 700 baht ($28 us) for 1 and a half hours of sure
pleasure, try #38, she's a cutie and gave me good service. You might
need a Thai phrase book since nobody speaks much english there. I also
tried #72, she's great as well. Then there are the "superstars" they are
a bit prettier than the others but they don't give a body to body,
something every heterosexual male must experience at least once in a
lifetime. They give 1 and a half hour of service for 900 baht ($36 us).
Then there are the obasons (old) ladies thay don't look too good, but
they give 2 hours of service for only 700 baht (I didn't try them why?
when the body body girls are just as cheap and much better looking). The
food is good there also, but again you will need a Thai phrase book to
order since the menus are all in Thai.
The best way to get there is to tell the taxi driver that you want to go
to the Lancer dealer, he'll let you off next door and you just walk
over...don't start telling a taxi driver you are looking for a massage
or your asking for a long ride to an expensive place with pretty girls
but not worth 3 times the price...
If you want a change of pace try the Cozy Bangkok across the street from
this no name place. The girls are really sexy but they don't give body
body. The price is a little higher at 1200 baht ($48 us), and 1500 ($60
us) for the superstars.
Enjoy, and post your experinces here so I can share in the fun...
Mr. Bang Cock
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Date: Thu, 27 Nov 1997 06:20:23
Subject: Three massage parlors in Bangkok
Here's some information on the three top massage parlors in Bangkok -
among those that service the farang costumers. Admittedly, the
impressions described here may be outdated. I haven't been to Bangkok
for awhile. So do not take my word for it. Go see, feel and taste for
yourself.
All three are easy to find. Most taxidrivers have glossy brochures in
the glove department on the first two. I will tell you how to find the
third. ALL taxidrivers can find these three blindfolded.
VERSAILLES is located about ten minutes walk from famous Patpong. It is
relatively small, the decor in the rooms is pseudo rococo, and there
is about 25-30 girls on display for you to chose. They are pretty, and
they have a professional view of men like you. That is, they will take
care of your needs alright. When I have visited the place, I have had
quite good experiences, though the service from the hostess tends to
be a little cool and detached. Well, come to think of it - once I had
one of the very best times in my life with one humorous and kind lady
at this place. So it is worth visiting. It probably helped that I was
in good spirits too on that particular occasion.
When I was there the price was a little less than the usual for luxury
massage parlors in Bangkok when a farang asks: 1500 baht for one and a
half hour. As far as I remember!
The thing I like the least about Versaille is the attitude of the
personnel in the reception-display room. Never have I seen such dead
and hardened faces as those featured by these mamasans. And I have
after all been around in the brothels of Thailand. With these
establishments it is a normal thing to be welcomed by people who bear
the soulmark of crime and whoredom on their faces, but these elderly
dames are downright creepy. And they do not try hard to conceal their
contempt for you and your wishes. You ask for a three hour session
with the one you covet in there - and the old hag repeats your request
with a loud scream for all to hear. Versaille will only accept the
normal one and a half hour. But at least they could decline in a
polite way.
A more professional attitude among the receptionist people would
upgrade Versaille in the opinion of this john.
VOLUNDA has two branches, "the small" in the vicinity of Patpong, and
"the big" behind Oscar Theater. I have not been to the former, hence
cannot tell you about it.
But I have indeed been to the main Volunda, which is one that
taxidrivers is ever eager to suggest to you. It is large, and it
specialises in youthful hostesses. You will see about 50 teenage girls
behind the glass wall, all of them pretty, some of them absolutely
beautiful. Most are dressed in pink, some (the "superstars") in
black. The difference is that the black beauties have fault-free
bodies also when their clothes come off. You will see stunners among
the pink ones also - but often the girl will have some scar not
visible when she is not naked. (A saddeningly large number of Thai
girls have large dark scars on their legs - tokens of traffic
accidents acquired on motorbike rides with their boyfriends.)
If you choose a superstar, you will have to extra pay for her
services. It was 2500 baht for one and a half hour when I was
there. 5000 for three hours.
Anything to complain about with Volunda? Yes, these girls are young,
and they cannot hide the disgust they have for you. When you study
them through the glass pane, some of them will compete for your
attention by blowing kisses, making inviting smiles etc. (Don't
believe the rumors that the glass is a one way screen. They see you
clearly from the moment you enter the place.) All the apparant
eagerness is for the benefit of the employer. The girl do not like her
costumer, and that shows in her face and her hesitant attitude when
you are alone with her.
Whether you like the general decay of the physical surroundings of
Volunda - the peeling wallpapers, the noicy air con - is a matter of
taste.
DARLING is my personal "darling" among Bangkok massage parlors. Check
out with your guidebook where Asia Book's original main store is. Make
the taxi go there, not to the parlor itself. Right across the road you
will see Darling Turkish Bath & Massage glow in huge neon letters. Go
there, quick!
I have only once been addressed in anything less than the most cordial
manner by the personnel. The ladies are twenty-something, good looking
and going out of their way to fullfill your desires. I have not heard
the word "no" yet in this place. In fact I have had to use it a few
times, when for instance the girl proceeded to suck my dick without a
condom ("I do not have the AIDS - for sure!") One of them worked
herself into profusing body sweat in her striving to bring me to
orgasm (I had been busy in the previous Bangkok night and was not easy
to make go off). Often I have been surprised by the delicious sins
they know. Like finger artistery in my rectum, like innovative ways to
use a tongue.
Invariably the price have been high. 2500 baht for 1 1/2 hour. But I
believe the Darling girls are worth it.
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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 1997 17:43:55 EST
Subject: Bangkok, Thailand
I had the opportunity to pass through Bangkok twice on 11/3 and
11/21/97. As
promised, I report here the findings from my latest layover.
On the evening of 11/3/97, after a late lunch at the German Beer
Garden, I
visited Annie's, a well-known massage parlor in BKK, which is near the
Rajah
Hotel off Sukhumvit (detailed directions follow). Annie's is a clean,
well
lighted place in a safe neighborhood.
I climbed the short staircase and entered through the automatic
glass door.
The interior holds a bar and sitting area to the left and a smaller bar
to the
right at the end of the room. The wall behind the larger bar is
mirrored.
The proprietor is a middle-aged Thai gentleman who greeted me warmly as
I
entered. At 5:30 p.m. I was it seemed, the only customer.
To the right at the end of the room a large clear window
revealed the waiting
room, in which about 6 - 8 women sat, grooming themselves, reading or
watching
TV. The women were identified by numbered buttons (these correspond to
the
order in which they start work). The women ranged in appearance from
average
to attractive. All seemed Thai.
I hesitated and had real trouble choosing. The proprietor said,
"Take number
3," which I did. It proved an auspicious non-decision.
She met me at the small bar in front of the sauna. She
introduced herself as
"Nid," and we talked small talk using her quite passable English for
about 15
minutes while we each had a beer. I began to caress her gently and she
joked
with me. She made me (nervous to begin with) relax and feel at home.
With no
particular urgency after about 20 minutes she suggested we go to a room
and
asked, "small or large?" I did not know how to answer so she suggested
a
large one.
The room had a double bed with thin mattress, bath tub, sitting
area and
mirrored red walls. It was clean and pleasantly uncluttered. There was
no
rush as we sat.
We talked more, kissed, stroked and slowly undressed. Nid's
body uncannily
reminded me of my first college girlfriend. This thought was an odd but
not
unpleasant aspect of the encounter that recurred. She was about 5'6"
and had
long, straight, thick black hair and natural breasts. She was 29 years
old,
and her abdomen was firm with no stretch marks.
We slowly lay in the bed and caressed (this was now real
foreplay) and
kissed, french-style, with increasing passion. She allowed me to
stimulate
her breasts (nipples and undersides) with my tongue. I licked her
abdomen and
flanks. She became increasingly engaged and aroused. When I got to her
vagina, it was very moist and topped with only a small patch of black
hair.
She was comfortable with my touching and I held her clitoris
between my thumb
and finger and stroked her to orgasm. She took my penis in her mouth
(no
condom) and performed real fellatio.
We broke, rested and went to the sauna. It was extremely hot
and we gave
each other full body coverings of baby oil. After 15 minutes I was so
hot we
left and returned to the room. She filled the tub to overflowing with
hot
water. She washed me completely while I held her with a thumb in the
vagina
and my hand between her gluteus muscles. We left the tub, caressed some
more,
and went back to bed.
We proceeded again through foreplay and intercourse (with
condom) culminating
in orgasm for both. We rested and went back to the sauna, which was
even
hotter than before. After a few minutes we returned to the room.
We hugged, bathed again and she completed a massage and shampoo
in the tub.
I dried off, she showered. We returned to bed and kissed hard,
continued
foreplay while I licked her flanks and inguinal area. Finally, we had
intercourse again and she suckled my breasts firmly. We climaxed again.
Something (obviously) had clicked as you have gathered. She
agreed to come
to my hotel later (off duty). She arrived at 1:15 a.m. and the rest is,
well,
personal...
Visit Annie's!
Annie's
Location: Near the parking lot behind the Rajah Hotel, between Soi 2
and Soi
4 (the Soi 2 side).
Telephone: 251-5680 or 255-0090.
Hours: Early afternoon until 11 p.m.
Cost: Basic service is 400 Baht. Sauna is 200 Baht extra. Beers are 80
Baht.
Leave 500 - 1000 Baht tip (the girls must give nearly the whole fee to
the
owner). THIS IS A TRUE BARGAIN!!!
Lodging: Ruamchitt Plaza Hotel, 199 Sukhumvit near Soi 15. Tel.
662-254-0205.
Fax 662- 253-2406. E-mail rua...@comnet3.ksc.net.th
(Note: Thermae is under hotel)
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Subject: price update for Bangkok
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 17:52:49 UTC
I recently was able to stop by Bangkok for two nights on my way to
Vietnam. I was well armed with information from WSG. Thanks to WSG I
was able to make the utmost of my two nights.
By way of a price update, here is what I found: On the first night I
visited one of the top class massage parlors that is mentioned in one
of the FAQS, the "Monalisa". While the FAQ had mentioned a typical
price of USD100 for "the works" at such an establishment, I was
somewhat dismayed to find that the Works is now more like USD300, even
after some haggling. There was a less expensive alternative which
involved ladies sitting in another room who were decidedly less
attractive, physically speaking, and even with them the service was
"limited". The bad news is that the quote on the B model was USD200!
I did happen to notice that while the place was quite
busy, I was the only occidental in sight. The clientele was clearly
Asian men. Perhaps this would account for the price inflation. The
lady I finally selected was gorgeous, but she had a bit of an
attitude. She knew exactly how gorgeous she was. It was fun, anyway,
and probably worth the price. I did ask the bellman at the hotel the
next morning and he said the price sounded about right for "high class
Bangkok girls". He said there are places with nice girls "from the
north" which are cheaper, but I never followed up on that angle.
The second night I visited the Nana Entertainment Plaza, since I had
seen numerous mentions of it in the FAQS. This night, I had a terrific
time, to be sure. As recommended by several of WSG's contributors, I
took my best sense of humor with me and before long I had multiple
young ladies hanging around and we were all laughing and having a good
time. The lady I wound up with eventually even thanked me for making
her laugh. She said many customers are "so boring". I did notice that
there were a lot of pretty somber faces sitting at the bar.
Bar fine was B400, lady drinks were B65, vodka shooters were B50.
My lady steadfastly refused to quote a price for her services, it was
up to me to decide. Not knowing what would be fair, I gave her B1000
for a "short time" which was an hour or so just upstairs in the plaza.
She looked neither happily surprised nor disappointed, so I am not sure
how I did on that score, so to speak. She did make me promise to
choose her again next time I visited the establishment. I noticed
that NEP clientele was decidedly occidental with a sprinkling of middle
easterners. NEP is a fun place just to hang around and watch the
action, even if one doesn't care to take it any further.
Thanks, again, to all WSG Thailand contributors for the valuable info
and insights.
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Subject: Re: **PROSTITUTION IN BANGKOK: WHERE TO GO**
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 1996 22:04:04 -0800
I just came back from Bangkok and Pattaya in mid-Jan, and, well, things
are a little different from my last trip, during the Desert Storm War.
Basically, the little goddesses have options now other than fucking and
sucking for dough. Thailand is changing from an agrarian to an
industrial economy,and less are coming down from Issan(how they get
there is debated occasionally on ASFO). Thus, the talent level isn't
what it quite used to be,and at one bar in partiuclar, it's about 50%
post-op TS. The remakes are frightening beautiful, so don't forget to
check out the ol' adams apple. Most of the beauties work in the
Japanese private clubs(they got the cash). As Mac would say, the
whiteboys get the leftovers. But if you look hard, you can find a few
first rounders, and even a lottery pick.
Also, one bar which may have awesome talent now may have none in 3-4
months. The girls generally don't stay long, usually taking the first
offer to escape from PP that comes up. For example, in '91, the #1
upstairs bar was Cleopatra's with Supergirls a very close second(some
would reverse the order). Supergirls has slipped, but still has a few
winners, and Cleo's is almost history.
Finally, it appears the government would like the local gendarmes to
regulate the bars a little more carefully, so at this point in time, the
bars will close precisely at 1(2 on the weekends), and the sexotic
joints are going to be less sexotic for awhile(it's not even an election
year!)
For the terminally horny, you're better off in Pattaya for selection and
perhaps value. All night dates now run as high as B2000($80), but at
least most of the hotels down there won't charge extra for your guest.
you can blame the strong deutschmark for the increase.These girls are
friendlier on average than in PP, so you might just have a better time.
If in Bangkok, Supergirls(upstairs) and Touch Bar(upstairs) are
recommended in PP, as well as Butterfingers(downstairs). The King's
Group bars are mixed, but King's II seems to be the best of the lot.
Cowboy is dead, but Longhorn has a couple of stunners. Atami or La
Cherie probably has the best looking masseuses, but the latter tries to
hustle you a little too hard. You can also try Mona Lisa if you have
absolutely no respect for money(they'll try to grab you for B4000).
Prices depend on how greedy the girl is, or how much she likes you. The
more she likes you, the cheaper it will be. I got short time for
B750($30) from an adorable 18yo nymphetwho weighed about 90 lbs, was
almost a full b-cup and was tight as a vise. Then there an absolute 10+
who works at Supergirls who works an average of about 30 minutes a
night(it doesn't take long before she gets bought out). She gets
B2000-2500 firm, plus the B325 for the bar.
In the Pattaya massage joints, you can find some real beauties who'll
give you 90 minutes of bliss for around B1000-B1300. Sabai Room and
Sabailand both have quality talent.
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Subject: Re: Bangkok "No Hands" Restaurants
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 20:56:00 GMT
I think you're referring to the GALAXY in Bangkok.
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Subject: bangkok update Apr 96
Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 09:59:39 UTC
Here's some current [april 96] bangkok trip information. Much good
information is already posted. I will not repeat it and waste
bandwidth.
TIPS:
On arrival at the airport in Bangkok, avoid the men offering to make
hotel reservations for you. They get a large percentage of the price,
which is marked up. For example I had them make a reservation for the
"Grand Inn" hotel, near Nana Entertainment Plaza. Their cost was
1200Baht, near 50$US. A big sign in front of the hotel advertised same
[without breakfast included] for 800baht! Use the hotel list and call
for your own room. Mike's Hotel is also within walking distance. Nana
Hotel is reported to be a bit overpriced though close to bars.
Nana Entertainment Plaza was GREAT. The bar fine is 300 to 400 baht.
The girls negotiate. From 500 baht for a short time, to 1000 - 2000
baht
for a long time [not including bar fine or hotel cost if needed].
The girls are beautiful, and treat you very good. As they say, 'like a
boyfriend'. Some spend the entire day and night with you if desired.
And for the 'friend' who paid 300 for the message, "sorry" a tip: DO
NOT
let the taxi driver drop you off right at the message parlor. The taxi
driver will collect 40% cut of the price of services, which is added
right to your quote. I heard 'ChaoPhaya' is a very popular parlor now.
The girls in the brochure look good. I KNOW one called 'miranda' or
'viranda' or something like that off phechaburi road is excellent too.
They had about 50 gorgeous girls in their 20s behind a glass window to
choose from. The taxi driver, despite my best efforts to lose him, had
followed me. So I don't know if the price was inflated to pay him, or
inflated because I was a tourist, but I was quoted 60$ for the
"amateur"
girls, or 80$ for the 'superstar' [more experienced] girls. This was
for
one and a half hours to include the posted information on the bath,
soapy
air mattress message, and safe sex. It was exactly as the previous
posting described. Actually humorous the way she [a 'superstar']
vigorously and quickly moved and scrubbed.
As a thanks to those who posted, I added this. If questions are posted,
I will try to answer them too.
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Date: April 1996
Bangkok, Patpong bars...update!
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----
"One night in Bangkok makes a hard man humble,
My third trip, and I must say it gets better every time. Everywhere one
looks, there is a "Miss Thailand" just waiting to be a companion for the
evening.
I have not travelled as extensively as you, but I would find it hard to
believe that there are more beautiful creatures anywhere on this
earth--especially if one likes their women petite, winsome, and exotic.
The
Go-Go bars of Bangkok have an atmosphere and intensity that I have not
seen
anyplace else. I wish I could import it back here to the states. I was
joined on this trip by two, first time Bangkok visitors. A lot of my
enjoyment came from just watching them savor the atmosphere which I had
told
them about. We decided that it was impossible to impart the full flavor
of
Thailand without seeing, hearing, and feeling it in the flesh.
My impressions of BKK on this trip compared to my last, 3 years ago are:
* The traffic and pollution is possibly a little improved, but still
bad.
* The Thai people have not lost any of their smiles, charm, or
helpfullness.
* The Thai women are even more beautiful!
* The cost of food, hotels, and entertainment have not increased in 5
years and still remain a good bargin.
My visit (entertainment wise at least) was centered around the Patpong
and
Nana Plaza areas. We stayed at the Wall Street Inn which is just off of
Patpong and found it everything a small hotel needs to be. Cost was
about
$55/night and guests were never a problem. The big, fancy hotels still
bar
guests and can run over $200 per night. The 24 hour coffe shop/dining
room
is managed by a "Burt Reiter", a transplanted Brooklyn-ite, who is more
than
happy to fill you in on all the goings on in BKK. Wall Street
Inn37.20-24
Soi Surawongse Plaza Surawongse Rd. Bangrak, Bangkok, 10500233-4144/FAX
(662) 236-3916
Patpong remains as it use to be with a couple of notable exceptions.
First,
the Kings Group now seems to own/manage about 10-12 of the Go-Go bars.
Actually, I find this good as I believe they run the best, most honest
bars
in Bangkok. The street touts promising all kinds of carnal delights in
the
"upstairs" bars are all over. But since the Kings Group runs two of
these
(Queens Castle I & II) there is no need to get ripped off in one of the
off-brand places. Drinks with the show in Queen's Castle I & II are only
marginally more than the street level places. Seeing the "shows" and all
the
impossible things a woman can do with her anatomy is like visiting the
temples....seen one, you've seen them all.
King's Corner and King's Castle II are my favorite Go-Go bars. In my
opinion, their dancers top the list. However, there are real jewels in
every
bar. The Patpong girls seem to be the most "Westernized" of the girls in
Bangkok. There is no need to venture off Patpong I & II to some of the
outlying bars, as their quality seems to drop while their prices don't.
They
are a little quieter though. It's really hard to go wrong here as all
the
places are great! Be prepared however, to pay the price. Bar Fines are
$350
baht ($14) and a "short time" usually runs 1500 baht ($60) in your hotel
if
convenient, or a short time place (200 baht/$8) if not.
A few Patpong observations:
* The great "Superstars" bar is undergoing renovation.
* A number of extremely beautiful, mixed (european/thai) girls are
starting to show (!!!)
* The popular bars get packed by 8:30 pm and girls start to disappear
shortly. By midnight, the best bars will have lost over half of
their
dancers.
One of the items that continues to surprise me about the Thai women is
their
size. Up on stage, in a group, they look normal. When they come down to
you,
even in their very high heels, they are TINY! One girl I "bought out"
weighed 40 kilos or just over 80 pounds! This same girl almost refused
to
allow me to take her picture as she claimed she was "too big, fat, and
too
old" ! She was the most ravashing 28 year old these eyes have ever seen!
True "spinners", every one of them.
We visited Nana Plaza to meet another friend who is an old time Bangkok
visitor (4 times a year the lucky devil) who swears by that place. There
are
many advantages to Nana in addtion to the more laid back atmosphere. The
buy
out is 300 baht ($12) and the price is 500/700 baht ($20/$32) for
short/long
time. Hollywood is the top bar in Nana right now by far and is packed by
8:30. I found a number of jewels at Nana Plaza. One could easily go and
stay
put for a week as my friend does. Hotels in the area, Nana Hotel and
Dynasty
Inn, charge about $35 per night which is also less than Patpong. In
general,
Patpong girls are more westernized and overall more attractive. However,
if
you are a little selective, you can find just as attractive girls at
Nana.
In addition, the Nana girls will probably have a little better attitude
(it
varies) and are less pushy. I would rate the Patpong girls at 8-10's and
the
Nana girls at 5-9's. One should remember that a Thai bar girl rating a 5
would probably rate a 9 here in the states in most bars! One negative
thing
I found though, at the Nana I occassionaly ran into a bar girl who was
"on
something" and really laid back. Not my idea of a good time. A Nana area
base would have to be seriously considered for my next visit, but I'd
still
insist upon a night or two in Patpong.
I did try checking out Maxim's down from Nana as well as the Ambassador
Club. Maxim's dosen't have anything to recommend it from my visit,
except
some quiet, that one can't get in the Nana. The Ambassador Club wasn't
open,
but I did notice a sign that said drinks were 100 Baht, about twice that
of
Nana. The bar girls love to see and be with Americans as you have
mentioned.
They get hassled too much by many of the other nationalities! They
really
return all the attention if you treat them with a good attitude,
behavior,
and courtesy.
One thing I'll never forget from this trip is my last night. I had
specifically sought out one of the "Miss Thailands" I had spotted the
previous evening and spent my last entertainment money on her.
Afterwards, I
returned to the bar of my previous night's carnal delights and ran into
my
"Sweetie" from the last night. Well, she just insisted about 1:00 am
that we
return to my hotel. When I explained about no $$$, she replied, "No
plo-blem, you fl-end, you no pay!". I am sure it's not a first, but
getting
a freebie from a beautiful Patpong bar girl ranks way up there on my
list!
It also filled the time until my 5:00 am taxi to the airport.
We hit one of the massage parlors one night, as I felt it was an
experience
not to be missed by my first timer friends. I was a little disappointed
in
that I didn't think the selection at this parlor was as good as
previously,
and I know the number of girls was down significantly. I don't know if
this
is across the board in all of the large parlors or not. The numbers and
quality at Patpong and Nana were not down!
While visiting the Nana we made the walk up to the Therme Coffeshop one
night about 12:30 am. The Therme is EVERYTHING that everyone has ever
written about it. Besides being jammed, there were companions available
from
perhaps 16 to 60 years old! Prices start at 300 baht, but 500 baht is
the
norm. This sidetrip should not be missed! Our problem was keeping our
hands
off of the bar girls long enough to wait until the Therme opened at
midnight. I have never seen such an eclectic, wild, wierd group of
people in
my life as I did at the Therme! This place reminds one of the bar scene
shown in the first Star Wars movie when Luke went to find Hans
Solo......
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Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 01:23:12 UTC
>Has anyone tried any of the "sex-on-the-spot" bars in Patpong ?
Supposedly
>the Rose Bar, and the Kangaroo Bar - these are "blow job bars" - you
sit
>in the bar and watch the show while one of hostesses gives you a blow
job.
>Anyone try any of these ?
Rose and Kangaroo are very similar (they are owned by the same people).
Every
spot at the bar (and at tables when it is busy) is a blow job spot.
Blow jobs
cost 500b (sometimes they ask for more) and this entitles you to two
girls
taking turns between your legs. Take out charge is similar to other
bars
(350-450b), but the girls aren't worth it unless you are *really* into
blowjobs. They are usually not much in the looks department and not
very
personable. But, boy, are they good at what they do.
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Date: March 1996
A couple of words: Tit = nom; Nipple = hua nom; lips = pahk;
nose = cha moo; cheers = chok dee.
The Hollywood strip on the third floor of the Nana is a good bar with
sex show and no rip-off.
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Subject: Bangkok pitch
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 03:50:18 GMT
Yeah, leave town. Seriously, flying out of SF or LA, you can get a
round
trip ticket to Bangkok, Thailand for under $700. Once there, a decent
room with air-con is $20 a night, or less if you look. Food is also
very cheap, less than $7 a day. Beyond that, are the girls.
Everywhere,
and very friendly. Forgetting the touristy go-go bars, freelancers are
your best bet. They're packed out with them at pickup places like
Thermae.
Last summer, more than once I was picking up cute girls at 11:30 or
midnight
for *$20* that stayed with me until 5 o'clock the next afternoon
(actually,
I had to push them off, or they would've stayed longer). You bathe
with them, kiss them, cuddle them (a lot are very affectionate and
"girlfriend" like), and screw them as many times as you can get it up.
With some of the horny ones, I'd take them to bed, have them twice then,
fall asleep, wake up in the middle of the night and screw again, sleep,
have
her two more times in the morning, then dose off again and wake in
the afternoon to have her once more. We'd take a quick shower together,
dress, and walk over to the "Food Court" in the basement of Robinson's
Department store for a late lunch. Then I'd pay her her $20 (actually
500 baht Thai currency) and put her on a bus home. That was a typical
day for me and I can't wait to get another chance at it.
And I'm speaking as a cheap conservative one-girl-at-a-time-spend-the-
night-with-her kind of guy. If you're a total horndog, who wants to
spend
a few more bucks and have an endless supply of girls through the night
(including two or three at a time), Bangkok, and especially the go-go
bar
and massage parlor scene, can best be described as a discount
supermarket
for sex. You just cruise down the aisles with your wagon and pick and
choose from the endless shelves. Want her all night or just for an hour
or two? No problem. After experiencing this, where the *choice* became
entirely mine, I'm completely unable to fathom how someone can even
consider spending $500 or more to have a girl for an hour.
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From: an60...@anon.penet.fi
Subject: http://www.paranoia.com/faq/prostitution/
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 1996 00:51:16 UTC
Randy Farang's Songkran Bangkok Update
Bar Fine Inflation...
Everything else in Bangkok is getting more expensive, so why should bar
fines be any different? During Songkran week (admittedly a holiday,
when
gouging is de rigeur) the King's Group bars and the Limelight in Patpong
were charging a B450 bar fine. Bar fines were B400 in Nana. Following
Songkran, bar fines were down to B370 Patpong, but that is still above
the
old standard, which had been B350 in Patpong and B300 in Nana. It was
inevitable.
Nana Continues to Add New Bars...
Nana is chock full of new bars. There is a country and western bar on
the
ground floor. A bar on the remote third floor. And on the second
floor, a
new bar called the "G Spot." The Bubblegum and Lollipop have been
re-done,
and they now have a gigantic fishtank featuring dancing poo-ying. The
quality continues improves.
More on Nana...
Many of the bars in Nana are part of something called the Crown Group.
Nana's answer to the King's Group?? But note that the same girls
circulate
through all of the Crown Group bars. The girl you saw last night at the
Country and Western bar may be dancing at the Voodoo bar tonight.
Hotel Tips...
Want to avoid the notorious Nana hotel? Looking for a clean, but cheap,
hotel near Nana that allows overnight guests. Try the Parkway Inn.
About
B900 per night. Right next to the Landmark hotel on Sukimvit. Parkway
Inn, 132 Sukimvit Road, Bangkok, Thailand, Tel: 62-2-255-3711 Fax:
62-2-254-2180. BTW, the high-class Landmark does allow overnight
guests,
if you are discrete and don't make a big scene. To save face, do not
even
think about trying an entry with guest before 1:00 am. Everyone knows
that
girls are not allowed into hotels like the Oriental, but did you know
there
is beautiful hotel on Sathorn that does allow overnight guests without
any
fuss or extra charges? Don't ruin it.
Legislative News...
A number of bills have been working there way through the Thai
Parliament
that may have some theoretical effect on one of the Kingdom's biggest
industries. Of more practical benefit, is legislation that will allow
Farang men marrying Thai women to acquire Thai citizenship. As matters
stand now, only Farang women can acquire Thai citizenship when they
marry
Thai men, but not vice versa. No more visa runs to Malaysia. But should
you marry a bar girl? It is axiomatic: you can take the girl out of the
bar, but you cannot take the bar out of the girl. Ask anyone who has
ever
taken their Thai sweetheart from Patong beach back to Switzerland.
Americans are usually saved from these bankrupting disasters since the
girls know its damn hard to get a visa to the U.S. Probably a blessing.
Health....
Thailand still has a lower infection rate than the U.S., Switzerland and
a
number Western European companies. The education campaign is working.
Even Thai men are starting to wear a cap. But don't be a fool. Wear a
condom each and every time!
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Subject: Re: Thailand 'number' hotels
Date: Tue, 28 May 96 03:18:00 GMT
I stayed at the Miami Hotel when I went to Bangkok.
It's about $18 a nite w/ airconditioning and $12 w/o.
It is centrally located between Na-Na Plaza and Soi Cowboy,
both within walking distance. They have a massage parlor
nextdoor and one accross the street. Patpong is about
$2 away. Also, for after hours the Thermae coffee shop is
in the alley adjacent to the hotel. Stay there and you'll be
glad you did.
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Subject: Re: No Hands Restaurants in Thailand
Date: Fri, 04 Oct 1996 20:34:40 GMT
>Anybody knows the adresses or phone number of the famous no-hands
>restaurants in Bangkok (and maybe somewhere else) ?!?
>Where is the 'Galaxy' in Bangkok ?
Your best bet may be the Galaxy, located on one of the Rama Roads, the
number of which escapes me for the moment. It is the one running from
Lumpini Station, passing Dusit Thani on its way east. You find Galaxy
just north of Suriwongse Road.
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Date: Sun, 09 Mar 1997 03:59:56 -0800
Subject: Phuket Thailand
Went to Phuket recently and wanted to file a report.
Lots of cheap places to stay in Patong Beach .I stayed at the Casuarina
Bungalows on Patong Beach for 1500 baht ($60USD) a night w/aircon and
breakfast. Good access to beach and nightlife. Food and drinks all
around seemed pretty reasonably priced to me.
Soi Bangla is still pretty happening. The main go-gos are Rock Hard Cafe
and The Firehouse. Both have about 40-50 women on any given night. I
talked with the owners of both and all women get health checks every 2
weeks and are given medical attention for any problems. Bar fine was 400
baht and most women would spend all night for 1000-1500 baht. Women were
all generally friendly and nice at both places and said they were under
no pressure by management and only left with who they wanted to.
I also went to Christin's Massage parlor in Patong Beach. Nice fishbowl
style place with a 2 hour massage for 1500 baht all inclusive. Stopped
by twice I was so impressed by the decor service and women.
There are also many bar beers and restaurants that women were working at
all around Patong Beach, but they had a lot of non-highway miles on
them.
Overall a good experience and I would go back in a second.
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Date:Sun, 16 Mar 1997 10:51:33 +0700
Subject: Bangkok Nightlife
1. The original Thermaes has closed. The new Thermae's although more
modern doesn't have the same atmosphere and just doesn't feel right.
2. Nana Plaza has definitely taken over as the favorite place of those
Westerners who live here year round. Patpong is for tourists.
3. With the slow down in the middle East and less oil exploration
in the region, less people are visting these days, as a result the
bar owners in all of the night time venues have increased the price
of drinks and the bar fines.
4. East block hookers (Russian, Poles,etc.) have taken over the pricier
private clubs. Most of these clubs are asian only, and a Westerner
can only get in if he is invited by a regular asian customer.
5. However. Bangkok is still the place to be, and they'll probably
burn my bones here.
Been here since 1965, ain't tired yet.
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Date:Mon, 17 Mar 1997 04:47:25 +0700
Subject: Re: Bangkok Nightlife
Bangkok is a city of differing classes and groups. Each segment of
the society has it's own places of recreation. Near the Patpong area
you have the Taniya area which caters to the Japanese. The women
there are some of the most beautiful in Thailand, often they are movie
stars and models. Prices are equivilant to Tokyo.
Sapankwai caters to middle class Thais.
China Town to the lower and middle class Chinese, and then there is
the special member clubs that cater to upper class Thais. These clubs
require a large up front fee, the fee buys discretion and anonymity.
Thai businessmen , military, and government officials frequent these
bars. Entry is allowed only to those people known by the club.
Membership is only by invitation. Most of these clubs are on sois off
of Sukhumvit, others are in private homes converted for the purpose.
The girls are recruited, and housing and accomodations are provided.
After 90 days the girls move to Phnom Penh or Hanoi for a few months,
and then return to Bangkok. The Thai authorities will occasionaly bust
one of these clubs for employing the girls without a work permit, but
never close the club or fine the owners, only deport the girls.
Doctor Moon Ray
posted unaltered by Doctor Moon Ray from Atta's World Sex Guide. Follow
THREAD to see the previous part of the "Thailand: Bangkok" section of
this Guide. Go to http://www.deja.com/~worldsexguide to see the entire
WSG.)
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 08:28:13 +0800 (SGT)
Subject: Miss Ma and others
Here's a little (true, of course) Thailand story:
During my visits to Thailand I've seen Miss Ma several time. Unlike
most of the bar girls she has stayed at the Pink Panther these years.
Here are some recollections about our encounters.
I was sitting in the Pink Panther bar in Patpong 2, Bangkok, drinking
yet another beer too many. Suddenly a girl that was unlike the others
in the bar went up on stage to dance. She was dressed really sexily
in a red corset, garter belt, and red stockings. And she had big
breasts, well, at least by Thai standards (at least a C cup). She was
also a bit older than most, between 25 or 26, instead of around 20
like many of the girls. I also noticed that she had those very full,
very red lips that look like they were made for being wrapped around a
cock (which, it later turned out, they not only looked like, but also
felt like). I immediately decided that I must get to know her better.
But this evening I had already picked a girl that I had paid the bar
fee for, so it would have to wait. I still bought her a drink and
learned that her name was Miss Ma. She behaved rather unfriendly, but
that's to be expected when you're already with someone else (and too
drunk, like I was). So I left and took "my" girl to the hotel.
It took almost another week before I got to the Pink Panther again,
because I made a trip to Chang Mai (wonderful place, but not so many
high quality girls). When I got to the bar I waited for Miss Ma to
dance, she had the same outfit on and I enjoyed oogling at her. I
smiled a lot at her, and after the dance she came over to me. I got
her a drink (i.e. Coke) and we started talking. Her English was
unusually good for a bar girl. After a while I asked if she wanted to
come with me to my hotel for a "long time" (i.e. all night). She said
she didn't go all night. I prefer having the girl stay all night; I
mean how else do you take care of your morning boner? So I tried
persuading her for a while and she said that next night she'd come
with me all night for 2000 Baht ($80). This was a few years ago when
the price was more like 1000-1500 Baht for the night, so it was
pricey. I said, all right, I'll come back tomorrow, and that I didn't
mind waiting because I was tired tonight anyway. After a little more
talk and beer I left.
It was true that I was a bit tired, but I had no intention of spending
the night alone, but it sounded nicer not to tell her that. I went
into another bar and found a girl for the night (I don't remember a
thing about her).
The next night I went Patpong rather early, around 7:30 pm. I didn't
want to pick up Miss Ma that early, I wanted to spend some time in the
other go-go bars first. After a couple of bar stops I really felt the
urge, but I thought it was still to early to go back to the hotel with
Miss Ma. I decided on a beer and a blowjob at the Kangaroo instead.
The Kangaroo bar is an infamous "upstairs" bar. The moment I sat down
I had five or six girls trying to persuade me to go into the back room
with them. I got a beer and tried to pick one. None of them were
really good looking or sexy. Then one of the girls said I could have
two of them for 400 baht ($16). I decided to get the most energetic
girl, together with a plump, but very big-titted girl, into the back
room. In there I had the energetic one give me a blow job while I
fondled and kneaded the breasts of the other. The whole thing was
over in 5 or 10 minutes, but with my most basal needs satisfied I went
out and finished my beer before leaving. I then visited yet a few
more bars to recuperate and at about 11pm I went to the Pink Panther.
Miss Ma spotted me as I came in the door, she had a big smile and sat
down with me. She told me she was happy I had come, she wasn't sure
that I would. It was soon her turn to dance, and I again enjoyed
watching it. This day she had a lepard spotted corset, garter belt and
stockings. The corset made her already substantial breasts look
really big. We sat there, me drinking, talking, and oogling. When it
was her turn to dance yet again she begged me to pay the bar fee so
she didn't have to do it. With some hesitation I did. Soon after
this we left the bar. I asked her if she was hungry and we went to a
restaurant almost next door to the Pink Panther.
At the hotel she got shy as all Thai girls do. After showering she
laid down all wrapped in a towel. I slowly unwrapped it and let my
hands run all over and explore her body. It was as silk soft as I had
imagined. After caressing her and licking her breasts I let a hand
slide down between her legs. She was definitely ready for me! Very
nice and wet. I put on a condom and we started fucking. She was the
sexiest girl I'd picked up in Thailand so far and I came all to
quickly. After relaxing half an hour and not being able to sleep I
moved her hand to my cock. She got the hint and soon had me hard
again. The second round I didn't come quickly (of course) and I
managed to get her to come twice (if she didn't she was a damned good
actress). After that I fell asleep. I woke up around 7:30 as Miss
Ma's was getting up. I asked what was the matter, and she said she
had to get home since she was living with her family (brother, sister,
and father). I said that was all right, but first she had to come
back to bed and help me get rid of the hard-on I had gotten by
watching her wonderful naked body. She happily obeyed and we had nice
morning fuck. We exchanged addresses and I paid her 2000 baht + 100
for a cab and she left. Unfortunately the next day I had to leave
Bangkok.
The next time I met Miss Ma I was in Thailand working outside Bangkok,
so each weekend I went to the city to have some fun. Meeting Miss Ma
on a Friday evening we agreed that I would pick her up the next
evening and we would go to the Tum-nakh-tai restaurant (the biggest in
the world?), where I'd never been before. I got to the bar at 8pm as
we had agreed, but Miss Ma was not to be found. I waited for a while,
and then left.
Feeling somewhat disappointed I strolled into another Patpong bar for
a beer, and looking for a girl too, of course. After a while a rather
plain looking girl with small breast, but a cute smile, asked for a
drink. I bought her one. Her name was Oy and she was 21. After some
chatting and haggling I decided do bring her back to the hotel. She
was a rather quiet and calm girl (but this was soon to change!!).
When we got to the hotel and she'd had a shower I decided that maybe
she wasn't quite as shy as I first thought, because she was rather
easy to persuade into having some pictures taken of her. She looked
quite cute with her small but very perky breast. After showering I
laid down on the bed next to her. She pointed at my already hard cock
and said "Yai!" ("Big!"). As I started to caress her she said "Sorry,
I no honey". I took me a little while to understand that she meant
that her sweet pussy juices were not flowing. She then pulled out
what I first thought was a cigarette, but it turned out to be a joint.
She smoked it and offered me one too, but I declined. I just can't
stand inhaling smoke. I continued caressing her as she smoked, and
when she was done smoking I decided it was time for my cock to test
her honey. As my condom clad cock entered her pussy I understood why
she she wanted her honey to flow. She had a small pussy and was so
TIGHT. Having her tight pussy squeeze my cock it didn't take me very
long to climax. I told Oy I was sorry I came too quickly and that she
hadn't had the chance to come.
As I came back from the bathroom the wildest and most incredible fuck
I've ever had was soon to begin. Oy had just finished smoking another
joint. As I laid down Oy took my limp cock in her little hand and
made it clear that now her honey was flowing and she was not going to
let me off this easy. This almost meek and shy girl turned into a
real tigress. She worked my cock intensely until it started getting
hard again. She then quickly got on top of me and inserted my cock
into her pussy and started riding. Yes, the honey was plentyful now.
She orgasmed pretty quickly riding, but she just kept going. As her
leg muscles tired we switched around to another position. She was
ferosious and just couldn't get enough. We had soon tried all
positions I'd ever heard, but her tight and wet pussy was as hungry as
ever. What Oy lacked in experience she certainly made up for with
enthusiasm. After a long while she finally slowed down and showed
signs of having had enough. But now my libido had finally recovered
from my previous release, and I wanted to go on. So I took command
and continued the humping and grinding for a while yet. Finally I
came and we both dropped to the bed exhausted.
It was the most intense fuck I've ever experienced, but also a very
frustrating one. In almost all positions, whenever my cock got close
to full penetration she would scream and hold me off telling me that I
was too long and that I hurt her. Maybe my cock is a little longer
than average, but most of these Thai women, and especially Oy, are
really tiny. It was very frustrating to have to hold back my thrusts
at the height of passion when I only wanted to ram my dick into her
wet little cunt.
In the morning we had another, rather uninspired, fuck and she left
with her 1000 baht. I looked for her on other occasions, but I never
saw her again.
The following week I met Miss Ma again. She explained that she had
been delayed by her family and that she was very sorry (well, I
wasn't, her substitute had been great). She said that she thought of
coming to my room when I didn't show up, but decided against it in
case I had found someone else (very wise of her).
This night Miss Ma she was again dressed a leopard colored corset,
garter belt, and fishnet stockings. Under the corset she had a pair
of black panties. Sexy as hell. I bought her out as usual, but this
time I remembered to tell her to bring her outfit as we left. When we
got back to the hotel after dinner I asked her to change into her
dancing outfit. A couple of minutes later she was clad in her corset
and stockings again, but no panties. That suited me just fine. She
did a little dancing for me and I took some great pictures of her. It
was wonderful to do this in private because I could do some groping
I'm too inhibited to do in public. I didn't take long before we were
in bed. She asked if she should strip, but I told her to keep it all
on as we fucked. I did open up the top of the corset a little to let
her bulging boobs out.
Miss Ma is a very sweet person and I met her several times after that
on different trips to Thailand.
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Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 10:48:03 +0100
Subject: Bangkok
Sawatdee. Some notes from my last trip to Bangkok (April 97).
Didn't go to Patpong, don't like the place much, prefer the more laid-
back Nana and Soi Cowboy.
Prices - 1000 baht seems to be the standard price for the nicer girls,
bar fine around 300 - 500 baht, and hotels about 350 baht short-time,
650 all-night. During the quieter months (November - March is the peak
time) or at the end of the night, you could probably easily negotiate
the 1000 baht price down a bit if you're a miserable git or on a budget.
Note that Nana and Cowboy 'close' at 2am, so if you wait until then you
won't have to pay the bar fine. After 2am, head for Thermae between Nana
and Cowboy on Sukhumvit. I never went to the old place, but the new
Thermae is a bit crap. There can be some nice girls there though.
For short-time at Nana, try the Nana Guesthouse (within the Plaza).
Nothing flash, but clean and convenient. At Cowboy, try the Asoke Place
by the entrance to Cowboy. This has satellite showing English & European
football, and the air-con rooms are nice enough for all-night. If you go
all-night, the cleaners don't bother you until after midday.
If you're just looking for a drink and chat with the barmaids, or
football on satellite, try Pharaohs bar right in front of you as you
enter Nana. Really nice, friendly girls. Have a laugh and practise your
Thai with them. If you ask, they can also get you food from outside or
from the nearby Nana Restaurant (good Thai food, crap German food). No
point recommending go-go bars, go into all of them and pick your
favourites.
Brits should try the Hare & Hounds English-style pub half-way down
Cowboy on the left. This is run by a Brit and his Thai wife, is
friendly, and does very good English and Thai food. No football on
satellite though, only cricket.
If you're taking a taxi, it can sometimes be a bit cheaper to walk down
Sukhumvit towards your destination and hail a passing taxi rather than
get one right outside Nana/Cowboy.
If you want specific or up-to-date information on the bar scene, try the
NiteOwl section of the Bangkok Post newspaper at
http://www.bangkokpost.net.
Try and make the effort to learn some Thai before you go out, they
appreciate it and it's usually a great source of amusement to them.
Carry a small English/Thai dictionary (preferably with Thai words also
in Thai text) with you. Generally follow the advice given in WSG. Chill
out, have fun with the girls, and show them a bit of respect. If you've
got a bad-attitude, like to get shit-faced, or have a load-mouth, then
go somewhere else.
Have fun.
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Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 17:27:07 +0700
Subject: Thailand Prices
Having lived in Bangkok for 1 1/2 years now, there is one thing I'd like
to
say to all the tourists - Stay Home! I can't believe the prices your
paying
and it's fucking things up for everyone else. I have never paid more
than
Baht 1,000 for a "long time" and normally pay only Baht 500. A "short
time"
should be no more than Baht 500. Of course, if you're in Patpong it's
going to be more, because the local Farangs don't hang out there.
Please,
keep your money in your pocket.
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Subject: Bangkok
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 17:57:03 PDT
After reading everything @paranoia.com and reading the Nite Owl
column of the Bangkok Post for a few months, I made a reservation at a
hotel through the internet and was on my way to Bangkok. I stayed at a
place not far from Patpong called the Mandarin. It's rated four stars.
I had to change rooms twice before I got a decent room. The food at the
hotel was awful. The coffee wasn't drinkable. They will allow a girl
in the room for 500 baht. I won't stay there again.
In Patpong, the Kings Group bars are the only ones worth visiting.
Their girls run the full range from "ladyboy" to 10+. If you want an
exceptionally pretty young lady, Patpong's Kings Group bars are where
you have to go. It's at times difficult to tell the ladyboys from the
girls. The King's Corner late at night had all ladyboys.
Many of the ladyboys are aggressive. I tried to stay away from them
as much as I could.
Nana was a party starting before sundown. There were a lot of
foreign residents here to do their serious drinking. A better
environment than Patpong, but lacking the top range of beautiful girls
found in say, Kings Castle 1.
I liked to go after the "knock-down-beautiful" girls. The ones I
dealt with were world class working girls. I didn't feel like I was
exploiting anyone. Many of these girls were wearing thousands of
dollars worth of 24k gold jewelry. They all were interested in short
time only at their hotel and for no less than 1500 baht.
What surprised me the most is how little English is spoken by anyone.
It was often hard to communicate. The vocabulary of most the girls is
limited to "buy me drink," and "pay bar fine," and other talk of the
trade.
The beer is really strong and it's easy to overdrink in the bars.
When bar hopping, I tried to not to drink more than half a beer at any
one bar.
I took a hotel card (like a business card) with me that I could show
taxi drivers when I was going back to the hotel.
I sensed that condom use is not as common here as in the US. Anyone
traveling here should bring a supply and always carry.
I wanted to see one of the second floor shows, so what I did was I
found a girl at Kings Corner (they do have some very pretty girls there
earlier in the evening) who spoke good English and agreed to keep me out
of trouble. We went to a King's place. They had a nude show. The
girls weren't anything special and the show was really lame. I didn't
get ripped off. I wouldn't have gone w/o the girl.
Manila is more fun, but the prettiest girls are in Bangkok!
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Subject: Thailand Update
Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 14:06:59 -0400
Just a quick update from my last trip to Thailand for your guide.
I came back on 7/20/97. Prices have gone up!!, but the Baht has
gonedown. So you end up paying more or less the same in US $.
For the first timers in Thailand, prepare yourselves to fall in love
4 or 5 times a day. But don't do it at the bars, fall in love once
you are with the girl, and you know that her intentions are straight.
It's very easy to get involved, and once you pay, you end up
disappointed. So wait to give your love to someone who deserves it.
Bangkok:
Definitely go to the King's Corner at Patpong. Unbelievable nice
girls. All of them. But just take a look. Bar fee is 400, and it's
not easy to get company for less then 2000. Go to Nana Plaza. Bar
fees are around the same, but company can go as low as 1500 ( probably
less if you want to bargain a lot, but the service will be reduced as
well ).
Thai girls attitude has changed a lot. after 2 minutes of
playingaround they start to get annoying with the "colas" You can say
no once,but at the second time, they leave. Buy them a "cola" its
around 70 to 90 baht. Play around for about 20 minutes, before they
start "Please,pay bar for me? I go with you."
If you want to have real fun. Plan an "all-around": Start at Patpong,
with a couple of beers. Watch a show if you care to do so, and then
go to Nana. Have another couple of beers, buy a couple of colas, but
try to keep in mind they're only after your money, even though they
don't seem to. Then go to a massage, like Monalisa. Ask for a
suggestion. The papa san will tell you about 3 or 4 which are expert
in some specialty. After that, choose for the looks from the ones
suggested. You'll pay 2000 baht for 1.5 hours which include "shower,
massage, bodymassage, BJ, and 1 game." or you can pay 2500 for a
"super star" which is 2 hours and includes the same, plus an
additional game ( if you can stand it ). Tired and wasted, go to
Cowboy Soi. Have one or two more beers, and some other fooling around
with the girls. At 4 am, when they close, go to the Mandarin Hotel
Restaurant, to see the real thing. The best looking Thai girls ( most
of them not in the business), and some leftovers. If you're in the
mood, have some dinner, and get a girl for the night. The next day
you'll be ready for the Temples!!!
Phuket:
Go to Patong. don't even try anything else. Do an all around before
you choose company ( it will take you around 1 - 2 hours without even
sitting down for a beer). Let the girls "Welcome" go around, let
yourself get dragged into the bars, and then go back to get the main
character for your dreams. Bar fees vary from 200 to 400 baht, and
company starts at 600 for short up to 1500 for long time. Make sure
that if you choose the long one, you get it. It's very easy to pay
for long, and end up wasted after a couple of hours. Better go for a
short, pay it well, and you'll get what you deserve.
Have fun, and remember to play it safe.
One note for those of you who are religious: If you think you're not
going to Heaven after being in Thailand, don't worry, Heaven cannot be
any better . . .
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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 97 13:06:43 PDT
After 2 trips to Bangkok, Thailand I've found some (but not all) of
the girls working in the go go bars and beer bars are fascinated when
they discover that a Farang is tattooed! (Me? I have all of both arms,
chest and thighs tattooed). Last trip, Feburary 97, a few of the girls
in the Patpong bars are now sporting Tattoos!
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Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 12:32:31 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Update on Thailand
Bangkok:
Still hot, stickey and dirtier than ever. New Thermae nothing like the
old,
but worth visiting anyway. Either go early before 10:00 for a few choice
ladies and no crowd... or after 1 a.m. for the crowded bar scene with
lots of
choices and lots of competition.
Price was 1,000 Baht. Dollar was strong at 40 baht = $1.00. this equals
$25.
However, I sure the price will go up to reflect the devaluation of the
baht.
Expect 1,500 baht in the near future. Patpong Road. No reason to go
other
than the night market. Nana Plaza, good for a quick look but nothing
else.
Soi Cowboy. I went early for dinner and a quite drink. The best place is
the
German Restaurant/Beer Garden at the end of the street. Good food and no
hassel from the bar girls.
Stayed at the Ambassador Hotel. This is best avoided, as it was a dump.
Nothing like it was five years ago.
Check out a place called Cheap Charlies which is right around the corner
from
the Ambassador up one of the soi's a hundred yards or so. Its an outdoor
bar
with beer priced at 40 Baht. Its right across the street from the old
Clypaso
Cabaret which has now moved to the Asia Hotel. Cheap Charlies is where
all
the Ex-Pats hang out. You really get to meet some interesting people
there.
There are plenty of good, clean guest houses in the 500 to 600 baht
range
along the side streets of Sukumvit Ave. Take one of these instead of the
larger hotel which charge three times as much. I recommend the President
Inn,
600 baht for two people. Fax (662) 2554235.
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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 06:51:41 -0800
Subject: bits about BKK -Sukhumvit Soi 1 and 4.
Hello Atta,
Enjoyed all the info posted sofar, would like to add the following:
Soi-1, Happy House, walk into the soi WITHOUT a taxi/tuk-tuk trailing
you. sign outside, located just past street lodge hotel, before
reaching entrance to Bumrungrad Hospital. Speak with floor manager:
(mr) Khun Sanit, (mrs) Khun Uddy, (mr) khun Pom. Wholesale rate during
slow times Baht 700.- , choice: upstairs for 1.5 to 2 hrs. or takeout
all night. Tip manager 50 - 100 Baht, the lady 200 Baht if satisfied
more of course (for taxi). If you come by taxi/tuk-tuk it will cost
you 1500 Baht, or more.
--
Soi 4, Campbell massage,
walk into soi 4, past Nana City Inn, Rajah Hotel,on the left side next
to a snooker place. Same deal as soi-1 Happy House.
floor managers: (mrs) Khun Waan, (mr) Khun Jack used to work at Happy H.
before. Again NO taxi/tuk-tuk driver taking you there or price will
go up.
--
If you need accomodation, Soi-3 and Soi-5 as well as Soi-1 and Nana area
has all kinds of small hotels around B.600.- to B.950.-
US$ 1.- is now aroud B.40.- as of December 1997.
Taxi meter available at the airport with surcharge of B.50.- above
meter reading. Take the Toll road and pay extra B.50.- it is much
faster to get to your destination around Sukhumvit Rd.
So why pay Bar fine of B.400.- at Nana Plaza plus B.1000.- for the
girl if you can get lower cost ? Granted NO miss Thailand class, but
adequate. Expats living there use these locations regularly. Drink &
be merry at Nana Plaza but get your service elsewhere. Thermae is
nearby if all else fails. And always use your cap please !!!
Going to the islands? Try Koh Samet, take a bus from Ekkamai Station
on Sukhumvit Rd. A/C bus B.90.- one way to Ban Phe, Boat B.80.- r/t.
then songthaew from pier to your bungalow. Try NAGA B.120.- simple,
Little Hut B.150.- to B.200.- budget, Ao Phai and Samet Villa B.450.-up
more comfortable. Other A/C places go for B.1000.- along Hat Sai Kaeo
( Whitesand Beach ) Beware of price increase during busy season or
holidays. Anybody with first hand experience at Koh Chang ?
Pls. post in bits & pieces.
BTW bring your partner(honey) from BKK, the Island has no girlie bar
unless you want older ladies if any. Disco on Fri. and Sat. nights only,
again no free roaming girls.
Enjoy !!
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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 23:47:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Comments about Bangkok, Thailand, Dec. 1997
The fall in the baht has made a huge difference for
the affordability of Bangkok -- let's hope it lasts.
As of Dec. 1997, most prices are up only slightly,
meaning that bargoers get value not seen since 1991
or so.
Nana Plaza bars have raised beer prices to about 75
baht, a whopping $3 at the pre-devaluation rate.
Now, at 45 baht to the dollar, it's a much more
reasonable $1.75 or so. (The drinks are the de facto
cover charge to get in and see the shows). Girls'
drinks are from 60 to 100 baht, again more reasonable
is the baht is really low.
Barfines are usually 300-400 baht, or about $7-13.
Some bars have gotten greedy and have gone up to
500B. Remember, in Bangkok, the barfine just goes to
the bar; the girl has to be paid separately.
With girls, YMMV both on quality and price. Very
important to pick them well. I've been giving them
around B 1,100-1,200 for all-nighters that went well.
Barfine a nude dancer at Nana and it's WYSIWYG, but
your chance of getting one with attitude or who just
wants to do short times or who demands a lot of money
goes up.
Patpong has gotten ridiculous. So complete has been
its transformation to a street market that crafts
sellers are taking over ground-floor building stalls
on Patpong Rd. Those are (were) the bars' only
domain, so bars are being squeezed out. It's hard to
even walk around. Pickpockets must love it. Some
places are moving to side sois, but all the expats
have fled to Nana Plaza.
Thermae's is still doing very well in the Ruamchitt
Plaza basement location. It will live on regardless,
but at least there are fewer people now who have to
use it because the prices with the bars/girls are too
high.
Doctor Moon Ray
was posted unaltered by Doctor Moon Ray from Atta's World Sex Guide.
Follow THREAD to see the previous part of the "Thailand: Bangkok"
section of this Guide. Go to http://www.deja.com/~worldsexguide to see
the entire WSG.)
Subject: Thailand
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 02:57:24 -0800
Just returned from my 2nd trip to the Land of Smiles (Thailand) in 10
weeks. This latest trip included only Bangkok. I went to Pattaya
with a friend and two secretaries from his office in BKK (mistake) for
a weekend.
I have many recommendations for the Farang:
(1) Fly EVA Air. Their Evergreen Deluxe class is better than UA's
Business Class, and it costs about $1000 roundtrip from the West
Coast.
(2) Try the Grand President Hotel on Sukhimvit Soi 11. I stayed two
nights at the Ambassador (right next door) for the first two
nights and the place is a fucking dump, so I looked for cleaner
accomos. The Grand President is truly a 4 or 5 star hotel, with
full kitchen in the room, stereo, fridge, in room safe, even a
VCR. The price is 1100 baht per night. (about US$25 and
dropping.) If you like Hyatts in the USA, you will love the Grand
Prez, but it's a helluva lot cheaper. The managment did not care
about my "friends."
(3) As far a pussy goes, I have many tips:
(i) Try the Beer Garden on Sukhimvit Soi 7. Turn into the Soi 7 off
Sukhimvit, and it's right there; can't miss it. Many freelancers
in the 6 to 9 range. Nice relaxed, comfy feel to the restaurant
(German) and women galore.
(ii) Nana Plaza kicks ass. Try "Pretty Girls" go go bar on the ground
level. Try some of the upstairs bars on the 2nd and 3rd levels.
I was offered FREE services (I had to pay barfine) by one young
lady. Unfortunately, I already had a girl in my room waiting for
me!!
(iii) Be sure and start your day right, with a big glass of Coconut
Juice from a street stall (20 Baht) and a Body Massage. (about
2,000 baht) My tip for cutting the price on the body massage is
simple. LEARN where your favorite Massage Parlor is, and then
have the taxi driver drop you off nearby. DON'T tell him that
you are going to a massage parlor, or the price for the massage
will automatically be higher by about 400 baht due to the taxi
drivers commission. LIVE AND LEARN. A Thai-style body massage,
with full service of course, is something that I think ALL men
should experience at least once in their lives. Coconut Juice,
by the way, tends to help the hangover and increase strength in
between the legs!!!!!!!
(iv) Being a Butterfly (going from flower to flower) got me into some
trouble this trip. I was juggling 4 different ladies who wanted
me badly, and wouldn't let go. Problem was, I was kind of
falling in love with 3 of them. If you are going to Thailand to
FUCK, then stick to your mission, and don't let yourself be
overly charmed by them, which is difficult because the ladies are
VERY lovable. I had one especially difficult experience where
one of the secretaries from my friend's office waited for me
(she's a normal, non-hooker Thai girl) in the hotel lobby until I
came home for the night, with a hooker on my arm of course!!!
Both the secretary and the hooker from Nana were quite pissed off
at me.
(v) Go to Koh Samui!!! Lots of great action there. A much smaller,
quieter place than BKK or Pattaya by far, but lots of fun. I
will post an extensive post on Samui later.
Yours, The Buzzsaw.
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 12:31:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Bangkok Update
During a short trip I found most information I could check to be
accurate. Prices seem to be a bit higher now in local currency after
the economic turmoil.
At Nana Entertainment Plaza bar fine was 500 Baht and girls could
easily be had for 1000. Since I stayed in a high class hotel, I had to
use the on-site Nana Guest House which set me back another 300 (for an
hour or so). I only tried the bottom level outside bars and was
particularly fond of the bar at the rear. Owned by a fat chinese it
sports several young cuties. I chose a shy 18 year old from Chiang Mai
with the most perfect body I ever had.
The girls at Darling massage parlour were 2500 for one and a half hour
of full body massage. That's less than 3000 including drinks and tips.
Most times they had more than enough beauties for full body (three
number girls) to choose from. Surprisingly service is not uniform
among the girls and they do not work there too often as I could easily
tell from their difficulties finding room numbers and light switches.
The first one I had was a 27 year old rather tall girl who
concentrated on making all circumstances perfect and taking care of
every detail of the ceremony. I especially liked it because it was my
first massage experience. When I came back to her for a second time
she was much more relaxed, had me extensively massage her pussy during
sucking and finally came together with me.
The second one was a stunning 23 year old who was still more into sex.
She did some french whilst in the bath and really made fucking her in
many different positions a great experience. As it was my second round
within a short time, it took me quite a time to come and so I could
make her get off two or three times.
After fucking finish your drink and turn around on your stomach for a
relaxing traditional massage.
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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 05:16:25 +0800
A question about Thailand...does anyone one know of the fabled
hairderessing establishment that provides blowjobs as well as haircuts
either in Bangkok or Pattaya. The closest I got was at the bangkok
international airport where I got a shave and the girl offered a face
massage. Anyway the face massage turned into a crotch massage and
handjob.
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Subject: [ASP] Bangkok Update 3/98
Date: 1998/04/21
Just returned from my first trip to Bangkok and Pattaya in late March
98.
Got a good tour of the night spots thanks to the info on WSG.
It was a unique experience worthy of a trip from anywhere in the world.
Some quick notes and update:
Was going to write a summary but ran across a very decent one already
at http://www.thaigogo.com/bkkguide on Patpong, Nana, Thermae and Soi
Cowboy. The descriptions are pretty accurate, based on my some what
limited experience there. -
Thai working girls are out of this world. There is an elegance and
graciousness that I don't find anywhere else, and I have been to many
places in US, Canada, Europe and Asia. -
Thermae is pretty easy to find on Sukhumvit between Soi 11 and 13, but
may be moved again. I never been to the old one, but the bathroom for
the current one is an experience not to be missed. Thermae probably
has the best variety around. It was still in full swing one early
morning at 5:30am when I could not resist and took out a cutie for
1500B for short time. I had originally intended to only do some
looking there. -
Choices and varieties are unbelieveable. There seems to be more girls
than customers in many places. -
Ambasssdor Hotel is to be avoided, even for the higher price tower
wing at 1600B. Saw three dead water bugs in the room. Well, two of
them were alive when first spotted. Breakfast buffet ran out of food.
Checked out quickly the next day. Luckily my attention was totally
somewhere else. Overdosed the first and only night there with 2 short
times. One was from a bar in Nana Plaza and the other one was from
Thermae. -
Grace Hotel seems to have girls hanging around any time of the day.
It seems very large, and with lots of entertainment, even couple of
bowling lanes! I suppose you could stay there and get almost
everything you need without leaving the hotel building. It is
definitely a different crowd than Nana or other places. -
Walked from Grace to Nana and stopped by to check out a small hotel
and disco on the way. Forget the name. I was surprised to find mostly
men with darker skin there with the usual Thai girls hanging around.
I don't quite fit into the scene, but the atmosphere is very friendly.
Talked to one guy who told me that he is from Africa. Thanks to the
wonderful Thai girls who brought peoples from everywhere together in
the Land of 1,000 Smiles! -
The Galaxy group has restaurant, nightclub, coffee shop, massage
parlor, and No-Hand restaurant in different buildings in the same
area, a stone throw away from Patpong. -
Tried the No-Hand Resturant. Food was actually pretty good. Dinner
for one was about 500B with a 720B feeding fee. "Bar Fine" was 360B
with short time take out at 2000B. It is celebrating its 26th year in
business, so the sign says. With tips, 4000B is a bit pricey by local
standard but I had a nice time overall. No-Hand appears to be a fully
clothed kind of place. Na is a day-time phone operator and could not
get her to go long time, which according to mamasan would have been
3000B. She speaks some English, so at least I could talk to her a
bit. She earns 5000B a month as an operator and her apartment is
4000B a month. I may go back next time I am in Bangkok. There may be
other similar setups but I have not
found out where they are. (If anyone knows, please email me.) -
Sat next to a very friendly, young and petite girl in the Nana Hotel
Disco and talked to her a bit. Put my arm around her and explored her
a little bit - and then she told me very calmly that she had a
boyfriend and was not working. I thought I had the ultimate
embarrassment of initiating something with a girl who was not in the
game and wondered why she was there if she were not in the game.
Turned out that her British boyfriend had booked her for 1 month for
30,000B. It also turned out that she and her British boyfriend were
staying a few doors down from me in an executive serviced apartment
off Soi 24! Had a nice chat with her before I bid her good bye. -
Wandered into a karaoke off Petchburi around Soi 39 near a 7/11 store.
Met an interesting girl called Kai who can speak some English,
Mandarin, Cantonese and Japanese. One coke and two lady cokes and a
fruit platter and 40 minutes later I was out 800B. She was trying to
set me up with her friends.
Long time take out is 3000B to 6000B there. Even at 40B to $1US I
thought
it is too pricey. I left alone. -
The Japanese places around Patpong seem to be deserted. Seems like
all the hostesses were out on the street greeting potential customers.
I probably don't look like Japanese as they just let me pass by
without any greetings or paying me any attention. Might as well. They
are probably as or more expensive than the karaoke place on
Petchburi. -
Wanted to check out the upscale hostess bars around Washington Square
and Soi 33 off Sukhumvit but ran out of time in Bangkok. (If you have
any info on them, please email me.) -
Tried a fairly local traditional Thai massage off Yawarat, with full
service at 1200B. I had the feeling that price for regulars is
probably half of that. Very little English is spoken there. There is
a cafe and karaoke next to the fish bowl, so I guess it is an
entertainment center concept. Some people were having food there
while checking out the girls. -
Got 2000B stolen from my pants from a working girl off the street. I
was foolish enough to try to find her but came to my senses and just
moved on. This happened off Yawarat. -
Tut tut and taxi drivers are very helpful. If you look like you are
lost, don't know where you are going, and even if you are not lost and
do know where you are going, they will try like hell to get you to the
right massage place, where presumably they will get consideration. -
Did not try Darling which is off Soi 12 of Sukhumvit, nor other places
like Mona Lisa. Guessed I missed the real body massage. I did have
that in Macau one time and did not quite like it. Was a bit rough.
Found out from a taxi driver who speaks some English and Mandarin that
there are a few really new and excellent massage parlors that welcome
mostly Asians. His advise is go where you see the BMW and other nice
cars are parked outside. I have been using a similar one for
restaurants for years to go to the one with the longest line outside
if I don't know any better! Gave him 200B for a 57B ride. Sounds like
a lot but it is only US$5! -
Best transportation deal is from Bangkok (Ekamai) to Pattaya for 77B.
Two and a half hours on a A/C bus. Was going for a day trip just to
check it out but ended up doing a long time with a nice girl from Best
Friend beer bar. Stayed at the Diamond Beach hotel for 700B. It is
nice, I thought, that the hotel guard collect IDs from the girls when
they go into the hotel. It is awful, when they knock on my room door
5 in the morning to collect an 8B lady fee. Gave the guy a 20B bill.
Said he would be back with the change and never saw him again. She
wanted to go dancing at Marine Disco one in the morning and off we
went. Interesting sight there. Kind of reminds me of King's Court
Disco at Patpong for after hours gatherings. Bar fine was 200B. She
asked for 1000B for long time and I did not even bother to bargain.
She speaks probably less than 50 English words and said "No Bangkok"
couple of times in the morning after she found out I was heading back.
The sense I got is that a lot of Pattaya girls are into longer term
(days if not weeks) type of arrangement. Best Friend has quite a few
open bars clustered around a boxing ring. I watched the boxing at one
point but quickly lost my interest. Kind of pathetic but saw quite a
few steady "couples" with obviously no communication or even attempts
to try. Saw the 60+ bald type with youngish Thai girl. -
Saw this in a Bangkok English newspaper - German male tourist died in
hotel room (some where) with only underpants on. Heart failure
suspected. I don't know more than what I read. But, be careful out
there. -
Missed the 56B to US$1 in January. Baht was at 36 to 1 when I landed
and was 40 to 1 when I left. I guess I should not complain too much
about this as it had been 25 to 1 for many years. -
Heard the song "One Night in Bangkok Makes a Hard Man Humble" couple
of times in Bangkok. It helps if you know your limits. If you don't,
it is no problem. You will find out what they really are. -
Have fun, be safe and be careful out there.
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Subject: Bangkok
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 98 11:55:58 PDT
I was in Bangkok & Pattaya in Feb. 1998. Pattaya sucks. Overrun by
German tourists wanting to show off their tattoos and swagger. Girls
overall were 3rd rate & lumpy. Entire town was pretty much like
Patpong. Not worth the trip.
As of 2/98, Nana Plaza was still the best place in town. Don't even
waste a minute at Patpong. If you do, stay clear of all except the
Kings Group of bars. They will merely be expensive, but they wont mug
you at the door for everything you have in your pockets.
Thermaes is open and the best place in town. No shows. Just wall to
wall hookers. One word of caution; pick pockets work all the
establishments. And they are good. Prices on 2/98 were running
around B500 bar fine at Nana & B1000 to B1500 for an hour in a room on
premises. At Thermaes, prices were running between B1000 & B1700 for
short time (1 to 2 hours). B2000 for all night.
Warnings: 1. Picks. They're everywhere. They're good. Be warned.
2. Negotiate everything in advance. The girls will stick with an
agreement. But if you don't, they will be happy to name a price for
everything extra you ask of them in the room. Not all of them, but
why wait to find out & risk frustration.
3. Don't over pay. A dollar goes a long way in Thailand. If you
overpay, you only drive the prices up.
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> Does anyone the name and or address of any short time hotels in
Bangkok
> where the girls are provided by the management?
> I tried Penthouse and Playboy off Sukhumvit Soi 13 (Grace Soi) but
they
> said I should bring my own girl(s).
> I read in a semi-factual novel that there is such a hotel, the
'Chinese
> Hotel', in a soi off new Petchaburi Rd near the Tollway Overpass. Does
> anyone know anything about that one?
> April 1995 prices are not much changed from the articles in the FAQ,
one
> of the Bars in Soi Cowboy has a B500 bar fine but it was pretty empty.
I lived in Bangkok up to a year ago. There are a number of short time
hotels with girls, but for the most part you have to know which ones
they
are, i.e. I can't really give you directions 'cause I don't know the
names. however, almost any hotel with a number in the name, "Hotel 19"
or
"21 Hotel" (I just made up the names, but you can find them if you
travel
in the city and look around) will have some girls on the premesis.
However, most of the girls are not that great looking. Also, in almost
any hotel you stay at, aside from the big expensive ones like the
Hilton,
Regent, Dusit Thani, etc. will send out for a girl.
Another idea is to try the "drive in" hotels. similar to the Playboy,
but
off of the beaten track, there are hotels with screens for guys to park
their cars out of sight. These hotels almost always have girls (the
Playboy is an exception because it is so close to Nana and Cowboy).
One other idea is to ask any taxi driver to take you to a "lady home".
These are houses with girls. I found the girls to be quite nice in many
of them, but usually fairly expensive for a foreigner.
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Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 02:09:34 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: WSG: thailand: hotels that provide girls
dear atta:
love the site. i have been reading the WSG a couple of years now, but
have
never had anything to contribute. on the topic of hotels that provide
girls
in thailand, i can add to your site. The questioner asks of such a
hotel he
read about in a semi-factual novel, "in a soi off new Petchaburi RD".
several years ago, i stayed at the MORAKOT HOTEL, on New Petchburi Road.
This hotel had signs all over the floors advertising full body
massages, and
clearly operated a brothel on the premises. There is also a disco, and
a
24-hr cafe.
INFO: MORAKOT HOTEL
2802 NEW PETCHBURI RD, BANGKOK
3140761-3, FAX 662- 3191465
i paid 350 baht a night.. pretty nice hotel- a/c, tv. phone and
bathrooms.. i
dont know if you can bring girls in from other places.. prob not.
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