The End
I3M
I have been dealing with mortality issues lately,(and while I am sure
it is only a nasty synchronicity from the Illuminati - "alright,
alright I'll take me III*rd already!"), it raises a point.
What do you think happens after physical death? This quote below covers
the whole spectrum nicely to my eyes, especially that tidy "or aught
else" but I wonder. What is your take? A long tunnel of light? Eternal
darkness? Total ecstatic freedom? Anyone had any near death experiences
that they will to relate? I know I am not going to die anytime soon for
a really sound (to me, and that is all it has to be, is sound to
me, ;) ) reason: I am not done with my work. Yet getting older and
having body parts that want specific and concentrated medical attention
cause these thoughts to sprout. What is your take on death?
I would not describe my thoughts as being fatalistic, because I have
been thinking about it since my II*. I have come to realise deeply
that it is a one way ride, especially in light of the MoE degrees.
The End
"Unto them from whose eyes the veil of life hath fallen, let them be
granted the accomplishment of their true Wills; whether they will
absoption in the Infinite, or to be united with their chosen and
preferred, or to be in contemplation, or to be at peace, or to achieve
the labor and heroism of Incarnation on this planet or another, or in
any Star, or aught else, unto them may there be granted the
accomplishment of their wills; yea the accomplishment of thier wills.
Aumgn, aumgn, aumgn." Liber XV
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Sr I3M..
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paul...@my-deja.com
> I have been dealing with mortality issues lately,(and while I am sure
> it is only a nasty synchronicity from the Illuminati - "alright,
> alright I'll take me III*rd already!"), it raises a point.
I think you'll like IIIo, by the way (g).
> What do you think happens after physical death? ...Anyone had any
near death experiences
> that they will to relate? I know I am not going to die anytime soon
for
> a really sound (to me, and that is all it has to be, is sound to
> me, ;) ) reason: I am not done with my work.
Collect 11 sums it up for me as far as what I hope...as well as my
ongoing belief that whatever I *think* may be coming after the last
exit in this particular script, I will probably be surprised - or will
not exist and therefore will not be surprised.
I nearly died but was 5 at the time, and don't recall the
details...though I will say, about a dozen people, different trads
(about half local OTO members, my Asatru housemates at the time, a
couple of Wiccans, etc.) were sitting around the fire one night, and
the subject turned to dying and we discovered that everyone in the room
had almost died at some point, usually before their career turned to
magick/mystical pursuits. For some it was a pivotal element in taking
up their Path, for others, not consciously part of the decision...I for
example did not know I'd almost died (as far as I am aware) until I was
in my late 20's and Dad mentioned they'd almost lost me. I remembered
the situation...I had a tonsillectomy, and even the event that kept me
alive (they out me back on the table) but not that I haemorrhaged and
almost bled out.
We may be sure we have time left...I am less sure, at 49, I will say
(g). But I try to adhere to the samurai ethic: live each day as if you
will die tomorrow, and so leave nothing undone that your honor requires
be done before you are gone.
> The End
> "Unto them from whose eyes the veil of life hath fallen, let them be
> granted the accomplishment of their true Wills; whether they will
> absoption in the Infinite, or to be united with their chosen and
> preferred, or to be in contemplation, or to be at peace, or to achieve
> the labor and heroism of Incarnation on this planet or another, or in
> any Star, or aught else, unto them may there be granted the
> accomplishment of their wills; yea the accomplishment of thier wills.
> Aumgn, aumgn, aumgn." Liber XV
Still the most lovely office of requiem I know.
Love,
Paul
sha...@my-deja.com
I3M <isi...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> 93,
> I have been dealing with mortality issues lately,(and while I am sure
> it is only a nasty synchronicity from the Illuminati - "alright,
> alright I'll take me III*rd already!"), it raises a point.
>
covers
> the whole spectrum nicely to my eyes, especially that tidy "or aught
> else" but I wonder. What is your take? A long tunnel of light?
Eternal
experiences
> that they will to relate? I know I am not going to die anytime soon
for
> a really sound (to me, and that is all it has to be, is sound to
> having body parts that want specific and concentrated medical
attention
> cause these thoughts to sprout. What is your take on death?
> I would not describe my thoughts as being fatalistic, because I have
> been thinking about it since my II*. I have come to realise deeply
> that it is a one way ride, especially in light of the MoE degrees.
My personal take on it is that life is a never-ending e-ride of self-
discovery. It includes initiations that are somewhat controllable, and
those that aren't. Birth and Death are events that fit under the
uncontrollable catagory. Although a nod in the direction for those who
wish to take an early greater feast. These two initiations happen to
everyone, and leave the person experiencing them completely
metamorphized.
I've often wondered about the other side of life beyond death and
before birth. Is death here like a birth there? Probably. Hell,
there might even be another yet another "life changing" initiation in
between that period.
Granted this is all high speculation on my part, but it has a feel of
truth to it for me. It's good to be an immortal.
93,93/93
Sharash
ghou...@my-deja.com
In article <88ibcr$4gt$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
I3M <isi...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> 93,
> I have been dealing with mortality issues lately,(and while I am sure
> it is only a nasty synchronicity from the Illuminati - "alright,
> alright I'll take me III*rd already!"), it raises a point.
Oh and thy death shall be lovely..really!
> What do you think happens after physical death?
I have pondered this before. Only to come to the conclusion that I
don't have enough data. But by the time I get to die, I will have the
necessary information, I hope! The injunction to "die daily" has always
struck a chord for me.
Really, physical death holds a great fascination, but it does not stop
me from living. I honor those that have gone before me and I hope that
there is some kind of "end" to be had in the arms of Nu.
> The End
> "Unto them from whose eyes the veil of life hath fallen, let them be
> granted the accomplishment of their true Wills; whether they will
> absoption in the Infinite, or to be united with their chosen and
> preferred, or to be in contemplation, or to be at peace, or to achieve
> the labor and heroism of Incarnation on this planet or another, or in
> any Star, or aught else, unto them may there be granted the
> accomplishment of their wills; yea the accomplishment of thier wills.
> Aumgn, aumgn, aumgn." Liber XV
I love that!
Also, Liber 106 is one of my all time favorites.
93 9393
love
Ghoul418
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wo...@my-deja.com
least I think do. What happens to me after death is interesting to me
and it does fascinate me. what is more important to me is to leave a
Mark on the history of mankind no matter how small. In the areas of
subjects that I love! For Instance if I make some significant
contribution to magic enough to be mentioned as a footnote a book
somewhere then my will in my opinion has been accomplished. If I never
making significant impact on the history of magic then I have not in my
opinion accomplished what I want to do in life and therefore I failed in
my quest to make an impact on mankind in the areas that I hold close to
my heart.
For Example as long as Crowley's rituals are performed and his writings
are read. Then he is immortal but as soon as people forgive his
philosophy he is no longer immortal in my opinion regardless of whether
or not has a continued existence hereafter. If you're not remembered by
the history then you are not truly eternal.
Love is the law, love under will.
Abydos
Riordan McGrath
I've been thinking a lot about death lately. My mother just passed on
a year ago yesterday...In going to a Mass said for her yesterday (She
was Catholic), I began pondering death.
Speaking of Masses..that collect about "The End" in the Gnostic Mass
has always been one of my favorite sections in the Mass. Beautiful..
brings up an idea about death that I've always had in my mind.
"What if when you die..you experience what you want (or WILL) to
experience".
I'll make the suggestion for those who haven't seen it yet to catch a
showing of American Beauty. It just became re-released in theatres
this weekend. Not really 'magickally significant' in an occult
way..but an excellent film which makes you ponder about life...and
death..among other things.
Incidentally, I almost died at birth as well.. Don't know if that's
significant or not.. to me it is, though.
93 93/93
-R.
paul...@my-deja.com
> For Example as long as Crowley's rituals are performed and his
writings
> are read. Then he is immortal but as soon as people forgive his
> philosophy he is no longer immortal in my opinion regardless of
whether
> or not has a continued existence hereafter.
Isn't this judging his Will in terms of your own? I will agree AC also
wanted to leave a mark on history in the field of magick, but
nonetheless, while this may be what you consider to be your Will at
this point, what has that to do with anyone else's?
Crowley also notes that even if his work, and the literature of gnosis
itself was to be wiped out tomorrow, still, one day, one person would
be driven to this same search, by the necessity of his own existence.
> If you're not remembered by
> the history then you are not truly eternal.
>
Humanity will be gone long before we run out of eternity. Nor does
immortality depend on the perception of others. One is, or one isn't.
One succeeds in finding and fulfilling one's Will, or one doesn't,
regardless of the opinions of others.
93,
Paul
wo...@my-deja.com
First of all let me say that I believe we continue to exist when this
life is over however, I do not concern myself with the existence after
this life because I feel it is a useless exercise to speculate on what
happens after we die. Because none of us knows exactly what happens
when we die until each cross that threshold. Until each person crosses
over that threshold for themselves discussions about death are based in
nothing more then theories which can neither be proven or disproven. So
why not just wait and see what death holds for us when we get there?
>
> Isn't this judging his Will in terms of your own? I will agree AC also
> wanted to leave a mark on history in the field of magick, but
> nonetheless, while this may be what you consider to be your Will at
> this point, what has that to do with anyone else's?
Yes, it is that was the point to use this example to illustrate what I
feel immortality is at least one form of it anyway. I'm not claiming
that this is what Crowley had in mind. I'm not suggesting that I know
his will. My opinion is just that my opinion therefore it has no
relevance to anyone else's will but my own. No where did I say that the
opinions that I was expressing had anything to do whatsoever with
anybody else's will.
> Crowley also notes that even if his work, and the literature of gnosis
> itself was to be wiped out tomorrow, still, one day, one person would
> be driven to this same search, by the necessity of his own existence.
What I admire most about Crowley is that his way of thinking was so
unique that it affected almost every system of magic at least in the
West. Crowley's influence can be found Wicca, modern Satanism
traditional Satanism etc. That to me is the mark of a great man.
>
> > If you're not remembered by
> > the history then you are not truly eternal.
> >
>
> Humanity will be gone long before we run out of eternity. Nor does
> immortality depend on the perception of others. One is, or one isn't.
> One succeeds in finding and fulfilling one's Will, or one doesn't,
> regardless of the op
You are absolutely right that in the eternal scheme of things it doesn't
matter what other people think, but as I said before at this point in my
development the eternity is not a big concern for me because I feel that
what ever happens as a result of the work I did in the barmy life. Is
what happens and is what was meant to happen.
>
> 93,
> Paul
93 93/93
Abydos
paul...@my-deja.com
> First of all let me say that I believe we continue to exist when this
> life is over however, I do not concern myself with the existence after
> this life because I feel it is a useless exercise to speculate on what
> happens after we die.
With you there...we will find out (or not (g)), soon enough. As Henry
says to Eleanor in "Lion in Winter":
Eleanor: Henry, I want to die.
Henry: You will you know. Just wait long enough and it will happen.
> > > If you're not remembered by
> > > the history then you are not truly eternal.
> > Humanity will be gone long before we run out of eternity. Nor does
> > immortality depend on the perception of others. One is, or one
isn't.
> > One succeeds in finding and fulfilling one's Will, or one doesn't,
> > regardless of the op
>
> You are absolutely right that in the eternal scheme of things it
doesn't
> matter what other people think, but as I said before at this point in
my
> development the eternity is not a big concern for me because I feel
that
> what ever happens as a result of the work I did in the barmy life. Is
> what happens and is what was meant to happen.
I am not big on the "meant to happen" thing myself. Destiny so often
becomes a cover for "why bother?" Not that I saw that in what you
said...but a lot of paths that accept the concept of fate seem to
degenerate into fatalism.
The end result of life is what matters, regardless of how one
rationalized it. Wanting to leave a legacy that is important can
produce estimable results, whether one believes in personal survival or
not. The samurai dictum "live as if you will die tomorrow" can have the
same effect - as can every other philosophy of death. Do the job as
best you can, for its own sake, sort of sums up my take on it. As with
other works of art (and life should be one) the artist perfects it for
its own sake, without concern for whether it will sell for zillions at
Christy's after he is dead (g).
Love,
Paul