Questions about Ori
Ellen
I wrote the quote below in the "Dreams, nightmares, etc." thread. But
since I didn't get a response, I figured it might be because it was
buried in an unrelated thread.
So, in it's own thread, here's my question about Ori and the choice of
our guardian. Can anyone help me?
Thanks in advance,
Ellen
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So, for those who know a lot about the three types of Ori (Phil?), I
have a question. I know that, at the moment of conception, my Ori chose
a lot of things. And one of those things was my guardian Oya.
Presumably, I was trying to add the experiences of abandonment in this
life time to my "repertoire", so to speak, of experiences accumulated
over many lifetimes. Well, if abandonment was what I wanted to
experience, I will have lots to think about when this life is over...
But my question is this. Have I had the violent, negative experiences
because I chose Oya and everything that goes with it? Or did I choose
Oya and everything that goes with it because I knew that I was going to
have these experiences (the first happened when I was just two weeks
old), and I thought that Oya would help me to deal with it and learn
from it?
Just curious...
I don't know what difference it would really make. But for some reason
I would prefer to think that I chose Oya so that she would comfort me
through it all. Although my instinct says that it was the other way
around, and that it was because I wanted to have these experiences that
I chose Oya in the first place.
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> But my question is this. Have I had the violent, negative experiences
> because I chose Oya and everything that goes with it? Or did I choose
> Oya and everything that goes with it because I knew that I was going
to
> have these experiences (the first happened when I was just two weeks
> old), and I thought that Oya would help me to deal with it and learn
> from it?
> I don't know what difference it would really make. But for some
reason
> I would prefer to think that I chose Oya so that she would comfort me
> through it all. Although my instinct says that it was the other way
> around, and that it was because I wanted to have these experiences
that
> I chose Oya in the first place.
>
Alafia, Ellen!
I noticed that no one has answered your question. To my mind it would
make sense that Oya energy would go along well with these experiences
and could help you learn a lot from them with, perhaps, less harm to
your psyche. After all, Oya doesn't take any nonsense from anyone.
She is likely to also protect you from further violence/negativity if
you listen carefully to her messages. She is a formidable foe. I have
a friend who is omo Oya. I would never dare cross her!
Blessings!
Mary
Ellen
gran...@my-deja.com wrote:
(snip my original post)
> Alafia, Ellen!
> I noticed that no one has answered your question. To my mind it would
> make sense that Oya energy would go along well with these experiences
> and could help you learn a lot from them with, perhaps, less harm to
> your psyche. After all, Oya doesn't take any nonsense from anyone.
> She is likely to also protect you from further violence/negativity if
> you listen carefully to her messages. She is a formidable foe. I
have
> a friend who is omo Oya. I would never dare cross her!
> Blessings!
> Mary
ALAFIA!!
Thanks for your insight. It's sort of an interesting balance between
what is predetermined by one aspect of Ori (like gender, hair and eye
color, physical limitations, etc.) and what is left up to us to achieve
in our lifetimes via another aspect of Ori. Clearly things like gender
cannot really be changed (in spite of surgery to change the outward
appearance) at any point in our lives - it's "pre-determined". And
clearly there's an age beyond which we are in full control of our lives,
and cannot blame our bad decisions on our childhood circumstances. But
what happens in between these two points? Can an infant be said to be
in control of its destiny? Does it even have the ability to affect its
destiny? And if not, are the things that happen to it pre-determined by
Ori, or is it all just chance, or is it something else?
Interesting questions. I wish that someone who knew a lot about Ori
would hazard a guess at some of the answers...
Thanks for your reply, Mary!
Blessings,
Ellen
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parents then we are choosing to trust them with our early years- until
we are able to make decisions for ourselves.
I would be very interested in what more experienced practitioners have
to say about this issue. (Big hint!)
Blessings!
Mary
Ellen
gran...@my-deja.com wrote:
(snip previous posts)
> Yes, you are right, Ellen! Good questions. But if we choose our
> parents then we are choosing to trust them with our early years- until
> we are able to make decisions for ourselves.
> I would be very interested in what more experienced practitioners have
> to say about this issue. (Big hint!)
> Blessings!
> Mary
Yes, I suppose that we do choose our biological parents. But I was
quickly (two weeks after birth) transferred to a foster home, and eight
weeks after that, to my parent's home. Did my Ori choose that? Did
that happen because my Ori wanted me to experience abandonment at that
most crucial and vulnerable age (the first 10 weeks of my life)? Or did
my Ori know at the moment that these choices are made (at conception)
that this was going to happen, and therefore my Ori chose Oya to go
along with these experiences?
Again, I'm not sure what difference it would make. Either way, it
happened. And either way, it was the first in a long line of negative
experiences in my early life. And either way, those experiences are a
part of my past, and in spite of them (or because of them?) I'm now a
happy, well-adjusted adult.
And I hope I can learn from these experiences in this lifetime, to add
to the many lifetimes of experiences I will have accumulated when I
"return home from the marketplace", so to speak.
But for whatever reason, I would be interested to know more about Ori,
and Ori's role in determining these things. Perhaps it's simply human
nature to want to know, and to ask difficult questions about these sorts
of things.
Thanks again for your insight, Mary!
Ellen
> Yes, you are right, Ellen! Good questions. But if we choose our
> parents then we are choosing to trust them with our early years- until
> we are able to make decisions for ourselves.
> I would be very interested in what more experienced practitioners have
> to say about this issue. (Big hint!)
> Blessings!
> Mary
ALAFIA!
Thanks to both Mary (for posting) and Ray (for emailing) about the role
of Ori in the early years of our lives!!
The wonderful thing about this forum is that it requires the person
posting to put into words what were formerly just vague images and
ideas. And the concretizing effect of typing about something means that
I have spent the past week or so thinking about these issues.
And while I find it interesting from a Liturgical viewpoint, I'm finding
that my personal issues are less interesting and important than they
were at the beginning of all this. I've concluded that it doesn't
really matter. And as Ray so accurately stated in his email to me (I
hope you don't mind being paraphrased, Ray!), we're all given the tools
we need to succeed in life, in spite of any "rough start" we might have
at the beginning.
And certainly having Oya as my guardian has been a great gift; a great
source of strength and comfort. It seems curious that she could be
comforting, given the nature of her energy. But long before I knew
anything about the Oricha, I remember as a child being in the strong
Autumn breeze that blows frequently in Virginia (the kind that turns
the leaves upside down), and feeling very warm and comforted by it. And
now that I regularly work with her energy, I find it very natural and
comfortable. This has been a great source of nourishment for my soul.
And, the "side effect" of this is that I've not had ONE SCARY NIGHTMARE
since this all started! Now, I'm sure that I will have a few more
before before I die. But it's quite a miraculous turn-around from
having three or four a week to having none for the last week or so. In
fact the last one was the one I posted about in the Dream Thread where
my ancestor was outside my big glass door, gasping for the air inside my
house as he floated underwater. There was something about realizing
that he was my ancestor (thanks Ray!), and acknowledging his presence,
that made him leave the "scary" part of my dreams. And the realization
that others have these dreams (thanks Gladys!) helped greatly in this
respect.
Blessings to you all,