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Ellen

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Jan 10, 2000, 3:00:00 AM1/10/00
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Alafia!

As you may know, I've been off-line for the last month. And since I
have no T.V., I've been doing lots of reading. I'm just finishing off a
comprehensive biography of Einstein. And I've spent a lot of time
thinking about science, the logical constructs of the Universe, the
sub-atomic quantities that we can and cannot measure (i.e. Heisenberg's
Uncertainty Principle), and Einstein's faith that everything in the
universe would eventually conform to a causal, deterministic set of
rules.

This in spite of the fact that observation tells us that we cannot
measure the position and the momentum of a particle with equal accuracy.
And the current quantum mechanics theory is undeterministic, using
statistical methods to predict the "chance" of finding particular
particles in particular states.

Unlike the scientific curiosity that permeated Einstein's work, his
belief in a deterministic universe was more like religious faith than
scientific intuition based on years of experience as a physicist. Or
was it?

Has anyone else spent time thinking about this, and how it fits into
Ifa's logical construct for the Universe? And if so, would anyone like
to discuss this further?

Just a thought...

Ellen
cuban...@my-deja.com

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gran...@my-deja.com

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Jan 11, 2000, 3:00:00 AM1/11/00
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In article <85d3ql$ct9$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> Alafia!
I haven't been reading about Einstein but I have been going through the
physics portion of my daughter's chemistry book. (We home-school.)
From what I understand, Einstein saw the universe as God or the
physical manifestation of God- (very Kabbalistic for you students of
Kabbalah out there).
In reading Deepak Chopra's work I find a similar attitude about the
universe. He says that the universe will fulfill your desires if you
put the desire out there and let it come to you in the proper time-
relying on the timing of the perfect universe.
Ifa teaches that we can work in harmony with universal forces through
prayer and offerings to ori, ancestors, orishas, etc. In this way we
can fulfill our positive desires and have happy lives of abundance.
All three of these viewpoints see the universe as perfect, full of
intelligence and natural abundance. The poverty-conciousness of some
religious philosophies is replaced by a true understanding of the
nature of wealth- both physical and spiritual.
Blessings!
Mary

Ellen

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Jan 30, 2000, 3:00:00 AM1/30/00
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In article <85fcvi$35c$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,

gran...@my-deja.com wrote:
> Alafia!
> I haven't been reading about Einstein but I have been going through
the
> physics portion of my daughter's chemistry book. (We home-school.)
> From what I understand, Einstein saw the universe as God or the
> physical manifestation of God- (very Kabbalistic for you students of
> Kabbalah out there).
> In reading Deepak Chopra's work I find a similar attitude about the
> universe. He says that the universe will fulfill your desires if you
> put the desire out there and let it come to you in the proper time-
> relying on the timing of the perfect universe.
> Ifa teaches that we can work in harmony with universal forces through
> prayer and offerings to ori, ancestors, orishas, etc. In this way we
> can fulfill our positive desires and have happy lives of abundance.
> All three of these viewpoints see the universe as perfect, full of
> intelligence and natural abundance. The poverty-conciousness of some
> religious philosophies is replaced by a true understanding of the
> nature of wealth- both physical and spiritual.
> Blessings!
> Mary

Alafia!

Thanks for your reply, Mary. What did you think of Deepak Chopra's
work? I have heard that it's the fast-food of spiritualism, but in all
fairness I haven't read any of it, so I couldn't say for myself one way
or another.

I'm now reading a book which compares the work of the mathematician
Godel, M.C. Escher, and J.S. Bach. It's about patterns, logic, and
beauty in the universe. Many of the ideas are similar to the Einstein
biography. It is the juxtaposition of order and chaos, logic and
spiritualism, that interests me. And as my husband (who's also a
mathematician) is fond of pointing out, even chaos has order. Just look
at a fractal...

Blessings!

Ellen


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gran...@my-deja.com

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Feb 1, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/1/00
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Alafia, Ellen!
I think anyone who says that about Chopra's writings does not
understand what he is saying or has not bothered to read his books.
His philosophy resonates with the philosophies of Western mysticism and
magickal practice. His words distill these ideas into a highly
approachable form. I would especially recommend THE SEVEN SPIRITUAL
LAWS OF SUCCESS and THE WAY OF THE WIZARD.

Blessings!
Mary
>
> Alafia!
>
> Thanks for your reply, Mary. What did you think of Deepak Chopra's
> work? I have heard that it's the fast-food of spiritualism, but in
all
> fairness I haven't read any of it, so I couldn't say for myself one
way
> or another.
>
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