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Khromat
back a week. In more good news, the forums created for said groups will
not be lost -- hence, this little batch of groups I build for the Furry
Underground Revolution will still be in existance after the closure of
the Community.
A question remains, however: Should I set up the FUR community over on
another system like Yahoo! or eGroups?
The various web-based things like Group Calender and Files areas may be
useful, and I know I'd love to see more people get involved in this
grouping, but I don't see the current population of less-than-10 doing
anything that would warrent a full community environment. I may be
wrong: there may be a lot more than 10 people lurking in the shadows
here just waiting for stimulating conversation or a reason to delurk
like posting pictures. Now's the time to let me know! Reply here or send
me email, but let your opinion be heard how you think FUR should
continue.
Thank you for your support.
-- ermine (Head Weasel of FUR)
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Before you buy.
Andrija Popovic
Khromat <khr...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> The good news is that the date to close Deja Communities has been set
> back a week. In more good news, the forums created for said groups
will
> not be lost -- hence, this little batch of groups I build for the
Furry
> Underground Revolution will still be in existance after the closure of
> the Community.
I recieved the mail, too, and was quite happy to see the groups would
still remain.
> A question remains, however: Should I set up the FUR community over on
> another system like Yahoo! or eGroups?
>
> The various web-based things like Group Calender and Files areas may
be
> useful, and I know I'd love to see more people get involved in this
> grouping, but I don't see the current population of less-than-10 doing
> anything that would warrent a full community environment. I may be
> wrong: there may be a lot more than 10 people lurking in the shadows
> here just waiting for stimulating conversation or a reason to delurk
> like posting pictures. Now's the time to let me know! Reply here or
send
> me email, but let your opinion be heard how you think FUR should
> continue.
I think sticking with the newsgroups will be a good start. If we can
build membership here, then expanding to a web based community page like
eGroups would be a logical move.
> Thank you for your support.
No prob. :)
> -- ermine (Head Weasel of FUR)
> ==================================
Andrija
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vu...@erols.com
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Andrija Popovic <vu...@erols.com> wrote:
> In article <8q7n38$bnc$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> Khromat <khr...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> > The good news is that the date to close Deja Communities has been
set
> > back a week. In more good news, the forums created for said groups
> will
> > not be lost -- hence, this little batch of groups I build for the
> Furry
> > Underground Revolution will still be in existance after the closure
of
> > the Community.
>
>
> > A question remains, however: Should I set up the FUR community over
on
> > another system like Yahoo! or eGroups?
> >
> build membership here, then expanding to a web based community page
like
> eGroups would be a logical move.
I would have to agree with Andrija...lets build up the membership and
then move over to another community when we get too large for these
groups.
>
>
> > -- ermine (Head Weasel of FUR)
> > ==================================
>
> Andrija
>
> --
> Andrija Popovic
> vu...@erols.com
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
>
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gbres...@my-deja.com
> The various web-based things like Group Calender and Files areas may
> be
> useful, and I know I'd love to see more people get involved in this
> grouping, but I don't see the current population of less-than-10
> doing
> anything that would warrent a full community environment.
At the current population and posting volume, I don't think it would be
worth the trouble.
If we want more action on the group, what kind do we want?
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where it's at."
--O'Malley the alley cat, The Aristocats.
Xydexx Squeakypony, KSC
> If we want more action on the group, what kind do we want?
Dunno. Just more action in general. I don't really read AFF anymore.
Been spending all my time drawing silly pony pr0n lately. -:)
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gbres...@my-deja.com
Xydexx Squeakypony, KSC <xyd...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> Gene wrote:
> > If we want more action on the group, what kind do we want?
>
> Dunno. Just more action in general. I don't really read AFF
> anymore.
Hmmm....
I have only been skimming a.f.f. of late, yes. Though it's pretty
quiet, right now. Unlike some other newsgroups.
I've been working on the ConiFur program book and the Tai-Pan Silver
Edition, so I've been pretty swamped.
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--Gene
"Everybody wants to be a cat, 'cause a cat's the only cat who knows
where it's at."
--O'Malley the alley cat, The Aristocats.
Xydexx Squeakypony, KSC
> I have only been skimming a.f.f. of late, yes. Though it's pretty
> quiet, right now. Unlike some other newsgroups.
I noticed AFF quieted down a lot after St-k-f-x left (according to Deja
he was still trolling for about a week after I left before he gave up.)
Even though it's quieted down, I'm pretty unenthusiastic about returning
to AFF. It's not really a newsgroup for funny animal fans; there's a
group of folks who'd rather flame you for liking something different,
instead of recognizing you like the same things they do. I know not
everyone's like that, but the ones who aren't I can just talk to
elsewhere.
These folks don't just disappear when they unsubscribe from AFF... they
simply go elsewhere. I think the increasing popularity of regional furry
mailing lists goes a long way to explaining the ongoing exodus from AFF
over the past few years. The fact that we couldn't get more than 130
yes votes for rec.arts.furry is perhaps a telling sign of just how many
people are still actually reading AFF.
And as more people leave, it'll be that much more difficult to get the
required number the next time around.
It's a shame, because it means the fandom doesn't really have a central
place for exchanging ideas and information anymore. I get news about
the fandom from Cornwuff Press more often than I do from AFF.
It would be nice to see a more ALF-style newsgroup for the fandom.
That's pretty much what rec.arts.furry would've been... no personal
attacks or any of the pointless flamewars that never solve anything,
just folks who recognize they have something in common and think that's
a Good Thing. Maybe that'll happen someday.
But if it doesn't, I wouldn't be surprised if AFF ends up as empty and
unpopulated as dejanews.members.ent.videocube.burned-fur in a few years.
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Khromat
> But if it doesn't, I wouldn't be surprised if AFF ends up as empty
and
> unpopulated as dejanews.members.ent.videocube.burned-fur in a few
years.
Wow. I didn't think there was a newsgroup by that name! :3
And things like this are cyclical: Give it time, a new central clearing
house will pop up.
Heck, if I actually had a hot server 24/7, I'd join the FUR.* groups and
make my own web-brower-based newsgroup reader for my site. That's the
main reason I've been on Deja all this time -- no firewalls to fight
through, no multiple-computers remembering my account and passwords to
enter a news server, maximum flexibility. Alas, it is not the Deja I
signed up with so long ago, so it's more frustrating these days to read
USENET in general. And, obviously, I can't view the FUR.* groups through
Deja.
-- ermine
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Xydexx Squeakypony, KSC
> Heck, if I actually had a hot server 24/7, I'd join the FUR.* groups
and
> make my own web-brower-based newsgroup reader for my site. That's the
> main reason I've been on Deja all this time -- no firewalls to fight
> through, no multiple-computers remembering my account and passwords to
> enter a news server, maximum flexibility. Alas, it is not the Deja I
> signed up with so long ago, so it's more frustrating these days to
read
> USENET in general. And, obviously, I can't view the FUR.* groups
through
> Deja.
Out of curiosity, why can't you access the fur.* newsgroups? You're
using Netscape, right? I can read them from home and work no problem.
Under Newsgroup Properties just add news server news.fur.com and
subscribe. news.fysh.org also carries the fur.* hierarchy.
You don't need an account or anything, as far as I know. I've been
posting to fur.lifestyle and it's never asked me for a name or password
for anything.
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> Deja
> he was still trolling for about a week after I left before he gave
> up.)
> Even though it's quieted down, I'm pretty unenthusiastic about
> returning to AFF.
I certainly understand that. I had an interesting adventure around that
time in private e-mail. It is always interesting how different some
people are in a private communication than they are in public. *shrug*
> It's not really a newsgroup for funny animal fans; there's a
> group of folks who'd rather flame you for liking something different,
> instead of recognizing you like the same things they do. I know not
> everyone's like that, but the ones who aren't I can just talk to
> elsewhere.
Yep. see below:
> I think the increasing popularity of regional furry
> mailing lists goes a long way to explaining the ongoing exodus from
> AFF
> over the past few years.
And vice versa. One of the reasons Flinters started the Puget Sound
Furry Guild list was precisely because of the a.f.f problems you
mentioned above. Plus you feel less like a spammer inviting people to a
local get-together on a local list.
> It's a shame, because it means the fandom doesn't really have a
> central
> place for exchanging ideas and information anymore. I get news about
> the fandom from Cornwuff Press more often than I do from AFF.
Well... it didn't before, either. I have been crucified for saying this
at some places, but a lot of furry folks, whether they call themselves
fans or something else, never hung out on a.f.f. and many still don't
"do the internet."
> But if it doesn't, I wouldn't be surprised if AFF ends up as empty
> and
> unpopulated as dejanews.members.ent.videocube.burned-fur in a few
> years.
That may very well be. I dunno.
--
--Gene
"Everybody wants to be a cat, 'cause a cat's the only cat who knows
where it's at."
--O'Malley the alley cat, The Aristocats.
Xydexx Squeakypony, KSC
> One of the reasons Flinters started the Puget Sound
> Furry Guild list was precisely because of the a.f.f problems you
> mentioned above. Plus you feel less like a spammer inviting people
> to a local get-together on a local list.
True enough. OTOH, sometimes it gets a bit out of hand. Since stuff
like e-groups came along, the local furry mailing lists in my area are
becoming increasingly fragmented. There's an event going on next
weekend which is being discussed on four (or more?) seperate mailing
lists. Seems everyone and their dog Flippy wants to run a mailing list
these days.
> I have been crucified for saying this at some places, but a lot
> of furry folks, whether they call themselves fans or something else,
> never hung out on a.f.f. and many still don't "do the internet."
Furries who aren't on the internet?? BLASPHEMY!! -:)
(What, are they Amish or something?)
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Khromat
> > Heck, if I actually had a hot server 24/7, I'd join the FUR.* groups
> and
> > make my own web-brower-based newsgroup reader for my site. That's
the
> > main reason I've been on Deja all this time -- no firewalls to fight
> > through, no multiple-computers remembering my account and passwords
to
> > enter a news server, maximum flexibility. Alas, it is not the Deja I
> > signed up with so long ago, so it's more frustrating these days to
> read
> > USENET in general. And, obviously, I can't view the FUR.* groups
> through
> > Deja.
>
> Out of curiosity, why can't you access the fur.* newsgroups? You're
> using Netscape, right? I can read them from home and work no problem.
> Under Newsgroup Properties just add news server news.fur.com and
> subscribe. news.fysh.org also carries the fur.* hierarchy.
>
> You don't need an account or anything, as far as I know. I've been
> posting to fur.lifestyle and it's never asked me for a name or
password
> for anything.
Both my home and work computers hide behind firewalls... I used to get
news from furry.ao.net but during a computer repair lost everything and
then the server wouldn't let me though, so I gave up.
I haven't even tried to get newsgroups through Netscape at work, to be
honest. Too many sockets are shut down here so even some basic functions
are unusable.
-- ermine
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Khromat
> In article <8qdcof$3jf$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> Xydexx Squeakypony, KSC <xyd...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> > It's a shame, because it means the fandom doesn't really have a
> > central
> > place for exchanging ideas and information anymore. I get news
about
> > the fandom from Cornwuff Press more often than I do from AFF.
>
> Well... it didn't before, either. I have been crucified for saying
this
> at some places, but a lot of furry folks, whether they call themselves
> fans or something else, never hung out on a.f.f. and many still don't
> "do the internet."
Wow, someone else who's been shouting that to the wilderness! :3
Every so often I find myself on AFF reminding folks that only a
percentage of Fandom has internet access, and only a percentage of that
reads newsgroups, and an even smaller number bother to lurk on AFF...
and I estimate that only 1 in 20 people who read that group actually
post anything. While I personally happen to be a compuphile net-head
technogeek, doesn't mean I should assume that the whole frelling fandom
is like me.
And yet, I often hang out in conversation areas of FurryMUCK and hear
people drag in AFF conversations, as if the 50-or-so active posters to
that group are representative of the (estimated) 20,000 active members
of furry fandom in the world. Bull.
gbres...@my-deja.com
Xydexx Squeakypony, KSC <xyd...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> True enough. OTOH, sometimes it gets a bit out of hand. Since stuff
> like e-groups came along, the local furry mailing lists in my area
> are
> becoming increasingly fragmented. There's an event going on next
> weekend which is being discussed on four (or more?) seperate mailing
> lists. Seems everyone and their dog Flippy wants to run a mailing
> list
> these days.
Yep. We had a big blow-up, flames et cetera, last year because a bunch
of people signed up for the PSFG list on the assumption that its only
purpose was for party announcements and stuff. It was kind of funny,
actually, but the list administrator had to make a separate
"PSFG-events" list. The silly thing is, half of the people who organize
barbecues and stuff, forget to send a parallel announcement to the
events list...
> > I have been crucified for saying this at some places, but a lot
> > of furry folks, whether they call themselves fans or something
else,
> > never hung out on a.f.f. and many still don't "do the internet."
>
> Furries who aren't on the internet?? BLASPHEMY!! -:)
>
> (What, are they Amish or something?)
Last time I checked, Terrie Smith was not Amish, no.
Seriously, as recently as last spring, when we finally caved to the
gazillion requests and created a Tai-Pan contributors discussion list,
I got about six snail mails from people very upset that they would be
"left out" because they don't do e-mail. Or they don't do a lot of
e-mail. While six may not sound like many, that's more responses than
we got to the questions about changing publication schedule and
pricing.
Furry fandom existed before most people had heard of the internet.
There are writers and artists who don't want to spend a lot of time
surfing the web or reading e-mail. So some of them only access the net
from their local library. Others occasionally look over a spouse's
shoulder. Others only check e-mail a couple of times a month. And when
they check it, they expect there to be no more than a dozen messages to
respond to.
I'm a technophile, but I resisted getting a personal e-mail account for
several years, myself. I didn't see the need for a long time.
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--Gene
"Everybody wants to be a cat, 'cause a cat's the only cat who knows
where it's at."
--O'Malley the alley cat, The Aristocats.
gbres...@my-deja.com
Khromat <khr...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> Wow, someone else who's been shouting that to the wilderness! :3
You aren't the only one. And I was flamed royally by one guy about it
last winter. "Furs who aren't on the internet are the kind of slimy
people I don't want to have anything to do with" he began, and then
called me various names for even bringing it up, as if they were ax
murderer-rapists and I was advocating for them. It was... odd.
> Every so often I find myself on AFF reminding folks that only a
> percentage of Fandom has internet access, and only a percentage of
> that
> reads newsgroups, and an even smaller number bother to lurk on AFF...
> and I estimate that only 1 in 20 people who read that group actually
> post anything.
Yep. And a large fraction of the fans I know who do have inernet
access avoid a.f.f. like the plague. Not that I blame them <takes a
peak as his still singed fur>...