How to tell it's real?
tc...@my-deja.com
People sending e-mails asking me "How you know it's repro?"
It looks like real, no where you can tell it's repro!
Actually I am thinking to keep the jacket for another ten years.
I could make it likes a real 50'S just remove the small label inside
the pocket then no one could tell it's real or repro! Is there any way
to tell whether it's REAL McCoy's or a Reproduction? Special for people
in the State if they didn't have any information on these reproduction
jackets couple years from now the whole market will full around "REAL"
reproduction jacket! ( those limited edition like ELC RW, many Japan
special repro nylon jackets without their own label!)
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
ken...@my-deja.com
I can't speak for cloth repros, but the only way even an amateur could
go wrong with any leather repro jackets would be while buying on ebay
or by photographs. 60 year old leather has reacted to the atmosphere
and this "reaction" cannot be replicated. We were lucky enough to
aquire enough 40 year old horsehide for a couple of jackets back in the
1980's, the hide felt nothing like "freshly tanned" horsehide, this
feel of age affects all leathers, check 60 year old furniture, in the
same way whether its in skin form or in jacket form. Nobody can really
say what an unworn original A2 actually felt like in 1940 unless the
found one that had been sealed in airtight conditions for 60 years.
What we manufacuters try to achieve is this preceived "feel" each one
having his own idea what that "feel" would have been in 1940, say. For
our part, at Aero we believe the jackets would have been relatively
firm, other believe this not to be the case. I t doesn't matter who is
right, what none of us can do is replicate the effects that exposeure
the atmospheric conditions of 60 years onto our horsehides, It is
scientifically impossible. That's why only an optomistic fool will ever
buy a used replica A2 and believe it's real, even 30 years from now
the original will still have that 40years or so start. We have an 18
year old replica in the factory, the leather still has not aquired
that "touch" of age nor could it be mistaken for the same leather that
my first original A2 was made from, and that A2 was probably not much
over 25 years old at the time, 1967.
Ken @ Aero
chapman...@my-deja.com
result from 300-500 hours of placing a heavy parachute over the jacket,
and sitting in a hot or cold aircraft for 10 hours at a time, jerking
around a tight area with sharp edges, and maybe wearing it around the
dining tent and spilling coffee or food on it. Surely these jackets had
a rough go from any aircrewman, and I know that when I was in the
military, our clothing condition was of little concern except for
inspections.
There's a certain amount of wear from WWII that must be hard to
replicate in our easy lives these days.
John
aur...@my-deja.com
tc...@my-deja.com wrote:
> I try to sell my RMJP MA-1 on e-bay.
> People sending e-mails asking me "How you know it's repro?"
> It looks like real, no where you can tell it's repro!
> Actually I am thinking to keep the jacket for another ten years.
> I could make it likes a real 50'S just remove the small label inside
> the pocket then no one could tell it's real or repro! Is there any way
> to tell whether it's REAL McCoy's or a Reproduction? Special for
people
> in the State if they didn't have any information on these reproduction
> jackets couple years from now the whole market will full around "REAL"
> reproduction jacket! ( those limited edition like ELC RW, many Japan
> special repro nylon jackets without their own label!)
>
RMJP Nylon jackets photograph very well and may look the part from a
distance, but do not hold up under a loose inspection. The effect is
spoiled when you see the jacket at arms length or touch it. I'm told
this is much the same story with everything that they make.
Eastman is the best in my mind, I think it has a lot to due with them
using the correct and most authentic materials. Pound for pound they
really cream the competition.
ken...@my-deja.com
chapman...@my-deja.com wrote:
> In article <8kim6b$4mv$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> ken...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > tc...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > > I try to sell my RMJP MA-1 on e-bay.
> > > People sending e-mails asking me "How you know it's repro?"
> > > It looks like real, no where you can tell it's repro!
> > > Actually I am thinking to keep the jacket for another ten years.
> > > I could make it likes a real 50'S just remove the small label
inside
> > > the pocket then no one could tell it's real or repro! Is there any
> way
> > > to tell whether it's REAL McCoy's or a Reproduction? Special for
> > people
> > > in the State if they didn't have any information on these
> reproduction
> > > jackets couple years from now the whole market will full
> around "REAL"
> > > reproduction jacket! ( those limited edition like ELC RW, many
Japan
> > > special repro nylon jackets without their own label!)
> >
> > > Before you buy.
> > >
> >
> > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > Before you buy.
> >
> result from 300-500 hours of placing a heavy parachute over the
jacket,
> and sitting in a hot or cold aircraft for 10 hours at a time, jerking
> around a tight area with sharp edges, and maybe wearing it around the
> dining tent and spilling coffee or food on it. Surely these jackets
had
> a rough go from any aircrewman, and I know that when I was in the
> military, our clothing condition was of little concern except for
> inspections.
>
> There's a certain amount of wear from WWII that must be hard to
> replicate in our easy lives these days.
>
> John
>
horsehide jackets, wear can be replicated up to a point, but not to the
point of fooling anyone, and our horsehide is stiffer than any other
replica horse A2 jackets that I have seen, yet the leather will never
take on that 60 years of "just being around"
Even if the best "stitch for stitch" replica jacket was adverised
as "dead stock" or virtaully unworn it should fool absolutely no one. I
know that all the "stitch for stitch" replicas I have seen soften and
drape within a few years, while old horse jackets stiffen up as they
dry out, and excessive oiling just destroys the patina. Its much easier
to forge banknotes, not that I've tried you understand! Or Hitler's
Diaries!
Ken @Aero
corona...@my-deja.com
aur...@my-deja.com wrote:
> In article <8kieid$umc$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> tc...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > I try to sell my RMJP MA-1 on e-bay.
> > People sending e-mails asking me "How you know it's repro?"
> > It looks like real, no where you can tell it's repro!
> > Actually I am thinking to keep the jacket for another ten years.
> > I could make it likes a real 50'S just remove the small label inside
> > the pocket then no one could tell it's real or repro! Is there any way
> > to tell whether it's REAL McCoy's or a Reproduction? Special for
> people
> > in the State if they didn't have any information on these reproduction
> > jackets couple years from now the whole market will full around "REAL"
> > reproduction jacket! ( those limited edition like ELC RW, many Japan
> > special repro nylon jackets without their own label!)
> >
> distance, but do not hold up under a loose inspection. The effect is
> spoiled when you see the jacket at arms length or touch it. I'm told
> this is much the same story with everything that they make.
>
> Eastman is the best in my mind, I think it has a lot to due with them
> using the correct and most authentic materials. Pound for pound they
> really cream the competition.
>
chance to handle a couple of original B-10's and the fabric used on the
Stagg I bought from Richard last year looks and feels pretty authentic
... not to mention it also kept me warm and toasty this past winter.
ye...@my-deja.com
corona...@my-deja.com wrote:
> You should take a look at RMJ's cotton jackets sometime. I've had the
> chance to handle a couple of original B-10's and the fabric used on
the
> Stagg I bought from Richard last year looks and feels pretty authentic
> ... not to mention it also kept me warm and toasty this past winter.
Coronado,
What temperature range did you wear the B10 in? I like the look of the
B10 and B15 but they'd probably be too warm for me here in California.
Corey
aur...@my-deja.com
swing...@my-deja.com
ye...@my-deja.com wrote:
> In article <8kkg2v$c8b$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> corona...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > You should take a look at RMJ's cotton jackets sometime. I've had
the
> > chance to handle a couple of original B-10's and the fabric used on
> the
> > Stagg I bought from Richard last year looks and feels pretty
authentic
> > ... not to mention it also kept me warm and toasty this past winter.
>
> Coronado,
>
> What temperature range did you wear the B10 in? I like the look of
the
> B10 and B15 but they'd probably be too warm for me here in California.
>
> Corey
>
Excuse my butting in here, put I'd like to offer my thoughts on my ELC
B-10... I find that it is most comfortable in tempuratures ranging
from 20 to 45 degrees, tops. Of course, what you are wearing under it
will effect how warm it is, but usually once it gets over 40 degrees,
the B-10 starts to get a little too warm and I grab something lighter.
I figure an RM B-10 should perform pretty much the same.
I like B-10s, and I think you'd be happy with an RM B-10. ELC and RM
both offer Tankers... I find my tanker to be a little less warm than my
B-10, so that may be an option for you...
chapman...@my-deja.com
ken...@my-deja.com wrote:
> In article <8kj929$gsg$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> chapman...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > In article <8kim6b$4mv$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> > > In article <8kieid$umc$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> > > tc...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > > > I try to sell my RMJP MA-1 on e-bay.
> > > > People sending e-mails asking me "How you know it's repro?"
> > > > It looks like real, no where you can tell it's repro!
> > > > Actually I am thinking to keep the jacket for another ten years.
> > > > I could make it likes a real 50'S just remove the small label
> inside
> > > > the pocket then no one could tell it's real or repro! Is there
any
> > way
> > > > to tell whether it's REAL McCoy's or a Reproduction? Special for
> > > people
> > > > in the State if they didn't have any information on these
> > reproduction
> > > > jackets couple years from now the whole market will full
> > around "REAL"
> > > > reproduction jacket! ( those limited edition like ELC RW, many
> Japan
> > > > special repro nylon jackets without their own label!)
> > >
> > > > Before you buy.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > > Before you buy.
> > >
through a hard life, but it looks cool (maybe a few too many patches).
I'm sure that the pilot would have a few stories to tell.
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=377081809
J
corona...@my-deja.com
ye...@my-deja.com wrote:
> In article <8kkg2v$c8b$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> corona...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > You should take a look at RMJ's cotton jackets sometime. I've had the
> > chance to handle a couple of original B-10's and the fabric used on
> the
> > Stagg I bought from Richard last year looks and feels pretty authentic
> > ... not to mention it also kept me warm and toasty this past winter.
>
> Coronado,
>
> What temperature range did you wear the B10 in? I like the look of the
> B10 and B15 but they'd probably be too warm for me here in California.
>
> Corey
>
wearing my A-2's until then. I don't know where you live in CA, but I've
spent some pretty chilly mornings working in the desert around Lancaster
(near Edwards AFB) when I wished I'd brought the B-10!
ye...@my-deja.com
corona...@my-deja.com wrote:
> I generally wear the B-10 when it gets below 35 to 40. I try and get
by
> wearing my A-2's until then. I don't know where you live in CA, but
I've
> spent some pretty chilly mornings working in the desert around
Lancaster
> (near Edwards AFB) when I wished I'd brought the B-10!
I live in Northern CA, ~50 miles south of San Francisco so there are
some days where a B10 or B15 would be wearable.
Back around '95-'96 I travelled to Palmdale (Lancaster's sister city)
quite a bit on business. Very good plane watching to be had at a
certain AF installation there.
Charles HPA
ye...@my-deja.com wrote:
> I live in Northern CA, ~50 miles south of San Francisco so there are
> some days where a B10 or B15 would be wearable.
>
I'm a major fan of the B-10, so I used to wear originals (back when no
copies were available) in my HS and university days w/ only a t-shirt on
when temps. were in the 50-60 range. The B-10 still remains a fave of
mine, but the B-15 never held my interest like the B-10. B-15's are
swell, certainly more utilitarian, but they suffer from being copied
in many shoddy forms (ad nauseam), especially nylon. The result of this
is, at least in my mind, B-15's all get lumped into that class of jacket
sold by K-mart and seen on winos and security guards for years.
--
Chas.HPA
aur...@my-deja.com
The modern police jackets remind me of B-10's without the wool knits.
The B-15(mod)/MA-1 is definitely THE most beat to death jacket on the
face of the earth. Damn shame. It's hard to beat the A-2 to death, if
you try to make a $150 effort out of it, the jacket will look like utter
crud.
Regular B-15/A/B/C/D's are a rarity these days.
But you just can't beat the side entry pockets ;-) It is a slight edge
the B-15 has over the B-10, but a major one. I'm slowly being turned
around to B-10's; I'll take anything to avoid the golf shirt craze that
is sweeping this great (yet slightly gullible) nation!
I sent some E-mails to you regarding the A-2. I'm in SF right now and
will be until Sunday, I had to leave Prescott in a hurry for personal
reasons with very nearly just the cloths on my back.
If you can E-mail the return address I'll ship the jacket first thing
Monday.
CHthree
>
> Regular B-15/A/B/C/D's are a rarity these days.
>
> But you just can't beat the side entry pockets ;-) It is a slight edge
> the B-15 has over the B-10, but a major one. I'm slowly being turned
> around to B-10's; I'll take anything to avoid the golf shirt craze that
> is sweeping this great (yet slightly gullible) nation!
>
>
What do you guys make of this? Any ideas why it would have an A2 label?