预装 Flashplayer 是否有版权问题？

[Xilin Sun]

未经 Adobe 允许就在发行版里预装 FlashPlayer 似乎是不合法的。

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[圈圈]

这样做可以吗

默认不安装flash等插件

但是在安装过程中让用户选择是否同意那些条款，自行决定要不要安装

然后不要到网上下载插件，把插件本身就做在iso里，不然某些网络环境下可能会非常不方便

其实，我觉得很多软件都可以用这种方式，不止是flash

[Qian Hong]

参见Adobe 的EULA, http://www.adobe.com/products/eulas/pdfs/PlatformClients_PC_WWEULA_Combined_20100108_1657.pdf

3.3 分发。本许可证不授予使用者发放子许可证或分发本软件的权利。
有关取得在有形介质或内部网络上或随产品或服务分发本软件的权利的信息,
请参阅 http://www.adobe.com/go/acrobat_distribute_cn (Adobe Reader),
或 http://www.adobe.com/go/licensing_cn (Adobe Runtime)。

3.4 备份副本。使用者可以制作一个软件副本,但不得因存档之外的其他用途安装或使用该
副本。除非依据第 5 节的规定转让本软件的全部权利,否则不得权利转让给该备份副本。

我想应该不可以打包在系统里的.
不过,可以再查一下Google Chrome的协议.如果Chrome可以再发布的话,那么可以利用Chrome浏览器作为pdf阅读器.

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[Qian Hong]

在Chrome中输入 about:terms

有一大段关于flash的授权说明.比较长,我摘录在下面,各位朋友可以一起斟酌一下.

Adobe

Google Chrome may include one or more components provided by Adobe
Systems Incorporated and Adobe Software Ireland Limited (collectively
“Adobe”). Your use of the Adobe software as provided by Google (“Adobe
Software”) is subject to the following additional terms (the “Adobe
Terms”). You, the entity receiving the Adobe Software, will be
hereinafter referred to as “Sublicensee.”

1. License Restrictions.

(a) Flash Player, Version 10.x is designed only as a browser plug-in.
Sublicensee may not modify or distribute this Adobe Software for use
as anything but a browser plug-in for playing back content on a web
page. For example, Sublicensee will not modify this Adobe Software in
order to allow interoperation with applications that run outside of
the browser (e.g., standalone applications, widgets, device UI).

(b) Sublicensee will not expose any APIs of the Flash Player, Version
10.x through a browser plug-in interface in such a way that allows
such extension to be used to playback content from a web page as a
stand-alone application.

(c) The Chrome-Reader Software may not be used to render any PDF or
EPUB documents that utilize digital rights management protocols or
systems other than Adobe DRM.

(d) Adobe DRM must be enabled in the Chrome-Reader Software for all
Adobe DRM protected PDF and EPUB documents.

(e) The Chrome-Reader Software may not, other than as explicitly
permitted by the technical specifications, disable any capabilities
provided by Adobe in the Adobe Software, including but not limited to,
support for PDF and EPUB formats and Adobe DRM.

2. Electronic Transmission. Sublicensee may allow the download of the
Adobe Software from a web site, the Internet, an intranet, or similar
technology (an, “Electronic Transmissions”) provided that Sublicensee
agrees that any distributions of the Adobe Software by Sublicensee,
including those on CD-ROM, DVD-ROM or other storage media and
Electronic Transmissions, if expressly permitted, shall be subject to
reasonable security measures to prevent unauthorized use. With
relation to Electronic Transmissions approved hereunder, Sublicensee
agrees to employ any reasonable use restrictions set by Adobe,
including those related to security and/or the restriction of
distribution to end users of the Sublicensee Product.

3. EULA and Distribution Terms.

(a) Sublicensee shall ensure that the Adobe Software is distributed to
end users under an enforceable end user license agreement, in favor of
Sublicensee and its suppliers containing at least each of the
following minimum terms (the “End-User License”): (i) a prohibition
against distribution and copying, (ii) a prohibition against
modifications and derivative works, (iii) a prohibition against
decompiling, reverse engineering, disassembling, and otherwise
reducing the Adobe Software to a human-perceivable form, (iv) a
provision indicating ownership of Sublicensee Product (as defined in
Section 8) by Sublicensee and its licensors, (v) a disclaimer of
indirect, special, incidental, punitive, and consequential damages,
and (vi) other industry standard disclaimers and limitations,
including, as applicable: a disclaimer of all applicable statutory
warranties, to the full extent allowed by law.

(b) Sublicensee shall ensure that the Adobe Software is distributed to
Sublicensee’s distributors under an enforceable distribution license
agreement, in favor of Sublicensee and its suppliers containing terms
as protective of Adobe as the Adobe Terms.

4. Opensource. Sublicensee will not directly or indirectly grant, or
purport to grant, to any third party any rights or immunities under
Adobe’s intellectual property or proprietary rights that will subject
such intellectual property to an open source license or scheme in
which there is or could be interpreted to be a requirement that as a
condition of use, modification and/or distribution, the Adobe Software
be: (i) disclosed or distributed in source code form; (ii) licensed
for the purpose of making derivative works; or (iii) redistributable
at no charge. For clarification purposes, the foregoing restriction
does not preclude Sublicensee from distributing, and Sublicensee will
distribute the Adobe Software as bundled with the Google Software,
without charge.

5. Additional Terms. With respect to any update, upgrade, new versions
of the Adobe Software (collectively “Upgrades”) provided to
Sublicenses, Adobe reserves the right to require additional terms and
conditions applicable solely to the Upgrade and future versions
thereof, and solely to the extent that such restrictions are imposed
by Adobe on all licensees of such Upgrade. If Sublicensee does not
agree to such additional terms or conditions, Sublicensee will have no
license rights with respect to such Upgrade, and Sublicensee’s license
rights with respect to the Adobe Software will terminate automatically
on the 90th day from the date such additional terms are made available
to Sublicensee.

6. Proprietary Rights Notices. Sublicensee shall not, and shall
require its distributors not to, delete or in any manner alter the
copyright notices, trademarks, logos or related notices, or other
proprietary rights notices of Adobe (and its licensors, if any)
appearing on or within the Adobe Software or accompanying materials.

7. Technical Requirements. Sublicensee and its distributors may only
distribute Adobe Software and/or Upgrade on devices that (i) meet the
technical specifications posted on
http://www.adobe.com/mobile/licensees, (or a successor web site
thereto), and (ii) has been verified by Adobe as set forth below.

8. Verification and Update. Sublicensee must submit to Adobe each
Sublicensee product (and each version thereof) containing the Adobe
Software and/or Upgrade (“Sublicensee Product”) that do not meet the
Device Verification exemption criteria to be communicated by Google,
for Adobe to verify. Sublicensee shall pay for each submission made by
Sublicensee by procuring verification packages at Adobe’s then-current
terms set forth at http://flashmobile.adobe.com/. Sublicensee Product
that has not passed verification may not be distributed. Verification
will be accomplished in accordance with Adobe’s then-current process
described at http://flashmobile.adobe.com/ (“Verification”).

9. Profiles and Device Central. Sublicensee will be prompted to enter
certain profile information about the Sublicensee Products either as
part of the Verification process or some other method, and Sublicensee
will provide such information, to Adobe. Adobe may (i) use such
profile information as reasonably necessary to verify the Sublicensee
Product (if such product is subject to Verification), and (ii) display
such profile information in “Adobe Device Intelligence system,”
located at https://devices.adobe.com/partnerportal/, and made
available through Adobe’s authoring and development tools and services
to enable developers and end users to see how content or applications
are displayed in Sublicensee Products (e.g. how video images appear in
certain phones).

10. Export. Sublicensee acknowledges that the laws and regulations of
the United States restrict the export and re-export of commodities and
technical data of United States origin, which may include the Adobe
Software. Sublicensee agrees that it will not export or re-export the
Adobe Software, without the appropriate United States and foreign
governmental clearances, if any.

11. Technology Pass-through Terms.

(a) Except pursuant to applicable permissions or agreements therefor,
from or with the applicable parties, Sublicensees shall not use and
shall not allow the use of, the Adobe Software for the encoding or
decoding of mp3 audio only (.mp3) data on any non-pc device (e.g.,
mobile phone or set-top box), nor may the mp3 encoders or decoders
contained in the Adobe Software be used or accessed by any product
other than the Adobe Software. The Adobe Software may be used for the
encoding or decoding of MP3 data contained within a swf or flv file,
which contains video, picture or other data. Sublicensee shall
acknowledge that use of the Adobe Software for non-PC devices, as
described in the prohibitions in this section, may require the payment
of licensing royalties or other amounts to third parties who may hold
intellectual property rights related to the MP3 technology and that
Adobe nor Sublicensee has not paid any royalties or other amounts on
account of third party intellectual property rights for such use. If
Sublicensee requires an MP3 encoder or decoder for such use,
Sublicensee is responsible for obtaining the necessary intellectual
property license, including any applicable patent rights.

(b) Sublicensee will not use, copy, reproduce and modify (i) the On2
source code (provided hereunder as a component of the Source Code) as
necessary to enable the Adobe Software to decode video in the Flash
video file format (.flv or .f4v), and (ii) the Sorenson Spark source
code (provided hereunder as a component of the Source Code) for the
limited purpose of making bug fixes and performance enhancements to
the Adobe Software. All codecs provided with the Adobe Software may
only be used and distributed as an integrated part of the Adobe
Software and may not be accessed by any other application, including
other Google applications.

(c) The Source Code may be provided with an AAC codec and/or HE-AAC
codec (“the AAC Codec”). Use of the AAC Codec is conditioned on
Sublicensee obtaining a proper patent license covering necessary
patents as provided by VIA Licensing, for end products on or in which
the AAC Codec will be used. Sublicensee acknowledges and agrees that
Adobe is not providing a patent license for an AAC Codec under this
Agreement to Sublicensee or its sublicensees.

(d) THE SOURCE CODE MAY CONTAIN CODE LICENSED UNDER THE AVC PATENT
PORTFOLIO LICENSE FOR THE PERSONAL NON-COMMERCIAL USE OF A CONSUMER TO
(i) ENCODE VIDEO IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE AVC STANDARD ("AVC VIDEO")
AND/OR (ii) DECODE AVC VIDEO THAT WAS ENCODED BY A CONSUMER ENGAGED IN
A PERSONAL NON-COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY AND/OR WAS OBTAINED FROM A VIDEO
PROVIDER LICENSED TO PROVIDE AVC VIDEO. NO LICENSE IS GRANTED OR WILL
BE IMPLIED FOR ANY OTHER USE. ADDITIONAL INFORMATION MAY BE OBTAINED
FROM MPEG LA, L.L.C. See http://www.mpegla.com

12. Update. Sublicensee will not circumvent Google’s or Adobe’s
efforts to update the Adobe Software in all Sublicensee’s products
incorporating the Adobe Software as bundled with the Google Software
(“Sublicensee Products”).

13. Attribution and Proprietary Notices. Sublicensee will list the
Adobe Software in publicly available Sublicensee Product
specifications and include appropriate Adobe Software branding
(specifically excluding the Adobe corporate logo) on the Sublicensee
Product packaging or marketing materials in a manner consistent with
branding of other third party products contained within the
Sublicensee Product.

14. No Warranty. THE ADOBE SOFTWARE IS MADE AVAILABLE TO SUBLICENSEE
FOR USE AND REPRODUCTION “AS IS” AND ADOBE MAKES NO WARRANTY AS TO ITS
USE OR PERFORMANCE. ADOBE AND ITS SUPPLIERS DO NOT AND CANNOT WARRANT
THE PERFORMANCE OR RESULTS OBTAINED BY USING THE ADOBE SOFTWARE.
EXCEPT FOR ANY WARRANTY, CONDITION, REPRESENTATION OR TERM TO THE
EXTENT TO WHICH THE SAME CANNOT OR MAY NOT BE EXCLUDED OR LIMITED BY
LAW APPLICABLE TO SUBLICENSEEIN SUBLICENSEE’S JURISDICTION, ADOBE AND
ITS SUPPLIERS MAKE NO WARRANTIES, CONDITIONS, REPRESENTATIONS, OR
TERMS (EXPRESS OR IMPLIED WHETHER BY STATUTE, COMMON LAW, CUSTOM,
USAGE OR OTHERWISE) AS TO ANY MATTER INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION
NONINFRINGEMENT OF THIRD PARTY RIGHTS, MERCHANTABILITY, INTEGRATION,
SATISFACTORY QUALITY, OR FITNESS FOR ANY PARTICULAR PURPOSE.
SUBLICENSEE AGREES THAT SUBLICENSEE SHALL NOT MAKE ANY WARRANTY,
EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, ON BEHALF OF ADOBE.

15. Limitation of Liability. IN NO EVENT WILL ADOBE OR ITS SUPPLIERS
BE LIABLE TO SUBLICENSEE FOR ANY DAMAGES, CLAIMS OR COSTS WHATSOEVER
OR ANY CONSEQUENTIAL, INDIRECT, OR INCIDENTAL DAMAGES, OR ANY LOST
PROFITS OR LOST SAVINGS, EVEN IF AN ADOBE REPRESENTATIVE HAS BEEN
ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH LOSS, DAMAGES, CLAIMS OR COSTS OR
FOR ANY CLAIM BY ANY THIRD PARTY. THE FOREGOING LIMITATIONS AND
EXCLUSIONS APPLY TO THE EXTENT PERMITTED BY APPLICABLE LAW IN
SUBLICENSEE’S JURISDICTION. ADOBE’S AGGREGATE LIABILITY AND THAT OF
ITS SUPPLIERS UNDER OR IN CONNECTION WITH THIS AGREEMENT SHALL BE
LIMITED TO ONE THOUSAND DOLLARS (US$1,000). Nothing contained in this
Agreement limits Adobe’s liability to Sublicensee in the event of
death or personal injury resulting from Adobe’s negligence or for the
tort of deceit (fraud). Adobe is acting on behalf of its suppliers for
the purpose of disclaiming, excluding and/or limiting obligations,
warranties and liability as provided in this Agreement, but in no
other respects and for no other purpose.

16. Content Protection Terms

(a) Definitions.

“Compliance and Robustness Rules” means the document setting forth
compliance and robustness rules for the Adobe Software located at
http://www.adobe.com/mobile/licensees, or a successor web site
thereto.

“Content Protection Functions” means those aspects of the Adobe
Software that are designed to ensure compliance with the Compliance
and Robustness Rules, and to prevent playback, copying, modification,
redistribution or other actions with respect to digital content
distributed for consumption by users of the Adobe Software when such
actions are not authorized by the owners of such digital content or
its licensed distributors.

“Content Protection Code” means code within certain designated
versions of the Adobe Software that enables certain Content Protection
Functions.

“Key” means a cryptographic value contained in the Adobe Software for
use in decrypting digital content.

(b) License Restrictions. Sublicensee’s right to exercise the licenses
with respect to the Adobe Software is subject to the following
additional restrictions and obligations. Sublicensee will ensure that
Sublicensee’s customers comply with these restrictions and obligations
to the same extent imposed on Sublicensee with respect to the Adobe
Software; any failure by Sublicensee’s customers to comply with these
additional restrictions and obligations shall be treated as a material
breach by Sublicensee.

b.1. Sublicensee and customers may only distribute the Adobe Software
that meets the Robustness and Compliance Rules as so confirmed by
Sublicensee during the verification process described above in the
Adobe Terms.

b.2. Sublicensee shall not (i) circumvent the Content Protection
Functions of either the Adobe Software or any related Adobe Software
that is used to encrypt or decrypt digital content for authorized
consumption by users of the Adobe Software, or (ii) develop or
distribute products that are designed to circumvent the Content
Protection Functions of either the Adobe Software or any Adobe
Software that is used to encrypt or decrypt digital content for
authorized consumption by users of the Adobe Software.

(c) The Keys are hereby designated as Adobe’s Confidential
Information, and Sublicensee will, with respect to the Keys, adhere to
Adobe’s Source Code Handling Procedure (to be provided by Adobe upon
request).

(d) Injunctive Relief. Sublicensee agrees that a breach of this
Agreement may compromise the Content Protection Functions of the Adobe
Software and may cause unique and lasting harm to the interests of
Adobe and owners of digital content that rely on such Content
Protection Functions, and that monetary damages may be inadequate to
compensate fully for such harm. Therefore, Sublicensee further agrees
that Adobe may be entitled to seek injunctive relief to prevent or
limit the harm caused by any such breach, in addition to monetary
damages.

17. Intended Third-party Beneficiary. Adobe Systems Incorporated and
Adobe Software Ireland Limited are the intended third-party
beneficiaries of Google’s agreement with Sublicensee with respect to
the Adobe Software, including but not limited to, the Adobe Terms.
Sublicensee agrees, notwithstanding anything to the contrary in its
agreement with Google, that Google may disclose Sublicensee’s identity
to Adobe and certify in writing that Sublicensee has entered into a
license agreement with Google which includes the Adobe Terms.
Sublicensee must have an agreement with each of its licensees, and if
such licensees are allowed to redistribute the Adobe Software, such
agreement will include the Adobe Terms.

2011/4/29 Qian Hong <frac...@gmail.com>:
> 参见Adobe 的EULA, http://www.adobe.com/products/eulas/pdfs/PlatformClients_PC_WWEULA_Combined_20100108_1657.pdf

[red appred]

安装还是安装吧，就是第一次用的时候，弹出一个abobe的协议，或者装机的时候，就把这个东西都列出来（这个应该又会加大liveCD的安装难度），接受就用，不接受就不用吧，每次安装flash 也没有出现什么协议，只是下载的时候有

在 2011年4月29日 下午6:02，Xilin Sun <s.sn.g...@gmail.com>写道：

[bsfmig]

跟Adobe联系下，看看能不能拿到再分发许可。

否则把deb包扔在深度的服务器也行，反正不联网的电脑也基本用不到Flash。

2011/4/30 red appred <redk...@gmail.com>

[Aron Xu]

不可以放到ISO里的，否则就是违反许可。能否放到深度的服务器上可能都还需要去找Adobe公关。大家可以试想，Flash Player 如果可以
任意分发，那么为何连 Debian 的 non-free 都进不去呢。

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[Xilin Sun]

Thanks, Aron :)

你能否在这里自我介绍一下呢？

在 11-5-20，Aron Xu<aronm...@gmail.com> 写道：

[bsfmig]

欢迎欢迎，资深Linux高级用户和开发者！我记得Aron好像在本地化方面更知名一些。

2011/5/20 Xilin Sun <s.sn.g...@gmail.com>

[bsfmig]

Wait!好像其邮件地址和我订阅的几个邮件列表里面的地址（happyaron.xu@gmail.com）不一样？

2011/5/20 bsfmig <bigsl...@gmail.com>

[Aron Xu]

那就简单介绍下自己，算起来我是国内开源软件的后生了，和 Hiweed 前辈的资历相比要差大概10年，呵呵。

在社区里我主要做翻译和一部分 Debian 软件包维护。翻译上负责 GNOME/Ubuntu 简体中文，以及一些零散的小软件；软件包维护主要在
做中文输入法相关的内容，另外也在尝试尽我的绵薄之力帮助新人加入社区贡献。

On May 20, 7:09 pm, Xilin Sun <s.sn.gira...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks, Aron :)
>
> 你能否在这里自我介绍一下呢？
>

[Aron Xu]

我的 googlegroups 邮件都是用这个地址来管理的，要不你往那个邮箱里发个邮件，我回复你一下。

On May 20, 7:14 pm, bsfmig <bigslow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Wait!好像其邮件地址和我订阅的几个邮件列表里面的地址（happyaron...@gmail.com）不一样？
>

[bsfmig]

那就好。考虑到目前互联网的政策环境，如有冒犯之处还请原谅！

2011/5/20 Aron Xu <aronm...@gmail.com>

[王明栋]

欢迎加入！

发自我的 iPhone

[Zhang Cheng]

如果用proxy cache，违反许可吗？

另外，Google应该是跟adobe做过公关的吧？他们的chrome是带着flash分发的，那我们是否可以分发带有flash的chrome？

[bsfmig]

早就堵死了。事实上可以看出，直接分发Chrome（不是Chromium）也是不许可的。

谷歌浏览器服务条款：

1.1 在使用谷歌产品、软件、服务及网站（在本文档中统称为“服务”，其中不包括谷歌根据单独的书面协议向您提供的任何服务）时，您必须遵守与谷歌之间签署的法律协议中所规定的各项条款。

5.3 您同意，除非在与谷歌另外签署的单独的协议中特别规定了，允许您进行以下活动，否则，您不会出于任何目的对相关服务再制作、复写、复制、销售、交易或转售。

7.2 您应当了解，作为相关服务的一部分展示给您的内容（其中包括但不限于相关服务中的广告及赞助内容），可能受到将这些内容提供给谷歌的赞助商或广告商（或代表他们的其他人员或公司）所拥有的知识产权的保护。除非在另外签署的单独的协议中，谷歌或相关内容所有者特别规定了允许您进行以下活动，否则，您不得修改、租赁、出租、借贷、出售、分发该内容（无论是全部还是部分），或在该内容（无论是全部还是部分）的基础上创作衍生作品。

谷歌浏览器附加服务条款

Adobe

3. 最终用户许可协议 (EULA) 和分发条款

(a) 分许可证持有人应确保根据强制性最终用户许可协议向最终用户分发 Adobe 软件，该许可协议可有利于分许可证持有人及其供应商，但应包含以下最基本条款（“最终用户许可”）：(i) 禁止分发和复制，(ii) 禁止修改和制作衍生作品，(iii) 禁止反编译、反向工程、反汇编或以其他方式将 Adobe 软件还原为常人可理解的形式，(iv) 规定分许可证持有人产品（如第 8 条中定义）的所有权归分许可证持有人及其许可人所有，(v) 对间接的、特殊的、偶发的、惩罚性的或继发的损失的免责声明，以及 (vi) 其他行业标准免责声明和限制，包括（如果适用）：在法律所允许的最大限度内，对所有适用的法律规定的保证的免责声明。

7. 技术要求。分许可证持有人及其分销商仅能在满足以下条件的设备上分发 Adobe 软件和/或升级：(i) 符合 http://www.adobe.com/mobile/licensees（或后继网站）上发布的技术规范，且 (ii) 已按下述规定通过 Adobe 的验证。

8. 验证与更新。如果包含 Adobe 软件和/或升级的产品（及其所有版本）（“分许可证持有人产品”）不符合 Google 提出的设备验证免检标准，则分许可证持有人必须向 Adobe 提交所有此类分许可证持有人产品，以便 Adobe 进行验证。分许可证持有人应根据 http://flashmobile.adobe.com/ 上的 Adobe 当时有效的条款购买验证包，以支付分许可证持有人每次提交所产生的费用。未通过验证的分许可证持有人产品不得进行分发。验证将按照 http://flashmobile.adobe.com/ 上说明的 Adobe 的现行流程（“验证”）完成。

2011/5/22 Zhang Cheng <steph...@googlemail.com>

[Zhang Cheng]

晕，我一直不明白的是，Adobe为什么不允许别人分发它的软件？

它的官网在中国慢的要死，想必在其他一些国家可能也是这样的。

2011/5/22 bsfmig <bigsl...@gmail.com>

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[bsfmig]

不知道。还是和Adobe官方联系一下为好。

2011/5/22 Zhang Cheng <steph...@googlemail.com>

[red appred]

这样说来只要装上chrome就没有事了；

[Xilin Sun]

但是问题是不能预装Chrome……

[Zhang Cheng]

那我们用proxy cache呢，大家都访问我们的服务器，我们的服务器从adobe官方取，这样大家下载的速度可以快一点，但我们并没有分发，我的服务器只不过是一个代理。这样应该没问题吧？

2011/5/22 bsfmig <bigsl...@gmail.com>

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[Xilin Sun]

嗯，这应该是最好的解决办法吧……

不知道其他公开发布的Linux系统是怎么解决flash问题的。

在 2011年5月22日 下午1:21，Zhang Cheng <steph...@googlemail.com>写道：

那我们用proxy cache呢，大家都访问我们的服务器，我们的服务器从adobe官方取，这样大家下载的速度可以快一点，但我们并没有分发，我的服务器只不过是一个代理。这样应该没问题吧？

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[Zhang Cheng]

Debian似乎是apt-get的时候直接从adobe官网下载的吧，所以装的时候巨慢。

2011/5/22 Xilin Sun <s.sn.g...@gmail.com>

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[Xilin Sun]

Ubuntu 的 apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras 时候是从Adobe官网下的，奇慢……

[Aron Xu]

Proxy Cache 应该是可以，因为你不是提供了这个内容，只是技术上的正常缓存。

对于Google Chrome，分发带Flash的应该问题不大。不过Chrome虽然适合不少Geek
的口味，但能否胜任默认浏览器仍然是个待讨论的问题。以我之见它现在还不行。

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[Aron Xu]

On 2011年05月22日 12:44, bsfmig wrote:
> 早就堵死了。事实上可以看出，直接分发Chrome（不是Chromium）也是不许可的。
>

悲剧。

[Aron Xu]

On 2011年05月22日 13:21, Zhang Cheng wrote:
> 那我们用proxy cache呢，大家都访问我们的服务器，我们的服务器从adobe官方
> 取，这样大家下载的速度可以快一点，但我们并没有分发，我的服务器只不过是一
> 个代理。这样应该没问题吧？
>

不能是做这个代理，这样会和分发难解难分。只有本地的互联网提供者做的Cache
才能完全避免法律问题。

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[Xilin Sun]

不知道Google是怎么取得Adobe的许可的…… 莫非是花了很多银子？

对于Adobe这个公司我一直觉得挺难理解的。比如这个Flash，自己提供的下载速度那样烂，还不允许别人分发。

[Aron Xu]

Ubuntu是从Canonical的镜像下的，Debian没看。Canonical还是和Adobe做了公关在partner源里加的。non-free
里都无法合法分发。

2011/5/22 Xilin Sun <s.sn.g...@gmail.com>:

> Ubuntu 的 apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras 时候是从Adobe官网下的，奇慢……

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[deepin deepin]

这是个问题，不过之前我们是在ISO里进行分发的，如果adobe找我们，当然要撤掉了

[Aron Xu]

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>

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[deepin deepin]

你说得是很正确的，变化是有个过程的。

另外，好像mint目前还在内置flash支持？

在 2011年5月25日 下午11:11，Aron Xu <aronm...@gmail.com> 写道：
> On 2011年05月25日 23:02, deepin deepin wrote:
>> 这是个问题，不过之前我们是在ISO里进行分发的，如果adobe找我们，当然要撤掉了
>>
>
> 可能最好是要主动一点，不能等人家找上门才撤。不尊重许可证，就不能让别人相
> 信这个项目有做一个正经发行版的决心。
>
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> Aron Xu
>
>

[Aron Xu]

On 2011��05��25�� 23:54, deepin deepin wrote:
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>
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>

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ISO �Դ�ġ�

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[deepin deepin]

国内连这些地方网络安装还真有点悲剧。

理论上说用porxy的方式应该是可行的。 现在运营商本身就在给接入用户做透明porxy，同样会缓存这些内容。

在 2011年5月26日 上午12:15，Aron Xu <aronm...@gmail.com> 写道：
> On 2011年05月25日 23:54, deepin deepin wrote:
>> 你说得是很正确的，变化是有个过程的。
>>
>> 另外，好像mint目前还在内置flash支持？
>>
>
> 刚找了一个mint用户，他说是安装系统时提供选项，选择之后从网络安装。不是
> ISO 自带的。
>
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> Aron Xu
>

[Aron Xu]

On 2011��05��26�� 00:24, deepin deepin wrote:
> ��������Щ�ط����簲װ�����е㱯�硣
>
> ������˵��porxy�ķ�ʽӦ���ǿ��еġ� ������Ӫ�̱�����ڸ�����û���͸��porxy��ͬ��Ỻ����Щ���ݡ�
>

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[Xilin Sun]

Proxy 如果能绕开许可证限制可以考虑考虑啊。

或者学 Ubuntu， 做个 Partner 源。不过要想和 Adobe 合作估计也不那么简单。

在 2011-5-26 上午12:28，"Aron Xu" <aronm...@gmail.com>写道：
> On 2011年05月26日 00:24, deepin deepin wrote:
>> 国内连这些地方网络安装还真有点悲剧。
>>
>> 理论上说用porxy的方式应该是可行的。 现在运营商本身就在给接入用户做透明porxy，同样会缓存这些内容。
>>
>
> 问题是如果只proxy这个flash的下载流量，可能与提供镜像没有什么区别。
>
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> Aron Xu
>

[Aron Xu]

On 2011年05月26日 07:35, Xilin Sun wrote:
> Proxy 如果能绕开许可证限制可以考虑考虑啊。
>

我的意思是绕不开，如果只代理flash这一样东西，那么有可能在法律上可以视你
是为它做了镜像。不是律师，得找个专业的人问。

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[Xilin Sun]

貌似雨林木风的在软件中心里。

http://bbs.ylmf.net/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=1936967&extra=page%3D1

[Xilin Sun]

YLMF 违反 Adobe 协议了：http://pkg.ylmf.com/packages/a/

在 2011-5-26 下午1:39，"Xilin Sun" <s.sn.g...@gmail.com>写道：
> 貌似雨林木风的在软件中心里。
>
> http://bbs.ylmf.net/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=1936967&extra=page%3D1

[Zhang Cheng]

要不耸一下，去adobe投诉一下，看看adobe啥反应。。。

2011/5/26 Xilin Sun <s.sn.g...@gmail.com>

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[Xilin Sun]

先看看 YLMF 的人如何回答：http://bbs.ylmf.net/forum.php?mod=post&action=newthread&fid=324&extra=&topicsubmit=yes

我是不是够猥琐？

在 2011-5-26 下午9:39，"Zhang Cheng" <steph...@googlemail.com>写道：
要不耸一下，去adobe投诉一下，看看adobe啥反应。。。

2011/5/26 Xilin Sun <s.sn.g...@gmail.com>
>
> YLMF 违反 Adobe 协议了：http://pkg.ylmf.com/packages/a/

...

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[Zhang Cheng]

重给个url，你这个是submit的url。

2011/5/26 Xilin Sun <s.sn.g...@gmail.com>

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[Xilin Sun]

http://bbs.ylmf.net/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=1937620&extra=page%3D1

[Xilin Sun]

纯 url 回复…… 我要不是 Group Owner ，肯定会被判定为 spam...

[Zhang Cheng]

你在ustc_lug里的邮件，好几次被判为spam的。。。

2011/5/26 Xilin Sun <s.sn.g...@gmail.com>

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[Xilin Sun]

另外他们还有 dll.ylmf.net     这个都不知道有多少侵权软件了……

在 2011-5-26 下午9:45，"Xilin Sun" <s.sn.g...@gmail.com>写道：
> http://bbs.ylmf.net/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=1937620&extra=page%3D1

[Xilin Sun]

手机发的么…… 能少打点字就少打点。

[Chon]

反正是做盗版起家的...

2011/5/26 Xilin Sun <s.sn.g...@gmail.com>

另外他们还有 dll.ylmf.net     这个都不知道有多少侵权软件了……

在 2011-5-26 下午9:45，"Xilin Sun" <s.sn.g...@gmail.com>写道：

> http://bbs.ylmf.net/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=1937620&extra=page%3D1

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