Debian is slower than time (was: adrian's 2.4.x packages)
Martin Schulze
> also sprach Noah Meyerhans <no...@debian.org> [2002.01.29.2048 +0100]:
> > The problem with the NM process is that it's likely to take longer than
> > the woody release process. I'm only half joking.
>
> which is a little ridiculous i find. i am wondering if debian wants my
> energy as a contributor, or if i want to be a debian developer. kind
> of reminds me of the donations process that i just walked someone
> through. it's more like someone has to work to donate to debian, not
> like debian wants them to donate and helps.
That's just FUD.
Please *ALWAYS* keep in mind that Debian is a free and (more or less)
open project of vulunteers. Volunteers are people who work on topics
they consider important and useful. If nobody considers RC bugs a
problem, they will only fixed slowly. If nobody cares about stable,
there won't be updated stable revisions. If nobody cares about
security, there won't be updated packages in stable or unstable. And
if nobody cares about donations from any place of the world, there
won't be a facility to easily donate money.
If you want something done, do it. That's how Free Software works.
Making proposals are not worth the bits they wasted. Don't compare
the Free Software community with a company where people can be forced
to work on things. This is not possible with volunteers.
Oh, and btw. bitching usually speeds things up in with negative sign.
Private reminders and kind discussions may work out better. (just to
prevent people starting this game...)
Regards,
Joey
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martin f krafft
> Oh, and btw. bitching usually speeds things up in with negative sign.
> Private reminders and kind discussions may work out better. (just to
> prevent people starting this game...)
oh dear, i tried not to bitch, justt raise an issue. my activities for
debian don't require an account, although i'd love to have one, of
course.
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Adam Majer
> On Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 07:31:16PM +0100, Martin Schulze wrote:
> > martin f krafft wrote:
> > > which is a little ridiculous i find. i am wondering if debian wants my
> > > energy as a contributor, or if i want to be a debian developer. kind
> > > of reminds me of the donations process that i just walked someone
> > > through. it's more like someone has to work to donate to debian, not
> > > like debian wants them to donate and helps.
> > That's just FUD.
>
> advocate the other day. It seems a bit premature to already be bitching
> about how horribly long all this takes.
>
> And yes, if you want to be able to donate directly to Debian (by uploading
> packages), you *do* have to work: you absolutely *have* to prove to
> our satisfaction that you're capable of handling the responsibility
> that goes with being able to upload any package in the distribution
> completely unsupervised.
I'll have to agree with you completelly on this one. I've been in the Process
for over 2-3 (lost track!) months now [officially and not so officially].
Personally, I don't mind wating a bit and have someone sponsor my packages..
It would be nice to be able to contribute faster, but then life goes on...
And it's better to "discourage" 50 people if one is not going to slip through
that would do somethine _not_ Right.
- Adam
martin f krafft
> Especially considering martin applied just a week ago, and only got an
> advocate the other day. It seems a bit premature to already be bitching
> about how horribly long all this takes.
how come people don't read the thread before posting to individual
messages. it's *not* *me* that i worry about, please don't read my
post as bitching about my account. it was more about the general feel
of seeing large numbers in length of waiting queues. but i guess that
there's enough reason for it - quality assurance as well as shortage
of time and manpower.
i am sorry if this appeared as bitching. my motivation was that we
need help help help with woody, and IMHO, people want to be developers
first to help. i do see how it's good to not have the developer
application process be a process that lasts a minimal number of days.
i've had my debian developer signatures for the better part of 3/4 of
a year, i've had a package more or less ready to go for about
6 months, i've had a sponsor and advocate for 6 months, but i haven't
really felt the need to be a developer. nevertheless, i was very
active for debian at all times.
now i wanted adrian's 2.4 packages, and i signed other people's keys
who thought i was a developer already, but whom i had to tell no. now
that person is in the queue with nothing but my key, and i feel awful
about it.
oh well, i am just talking. let's close this thread. diregard my
bitching if you will, or penalize my application for my bitching,
okay? i have learnt my lesson.
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Steve M. Robbins
> also sprach Anthony Towns <a...@azure.humbug.org.au> [2002.02.01.0246 +0100]:
> > Especially considering martin applied just a week ago, and only got an
> > advocate the other day. It seems a bit premature to already be bitching
> > about how horribly long all this takes.
>
> how come people don't read the thread before posting to individual
> messages.
Welcome to debian-devel! ;->
-S
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Matt Zimmerman
> I'll have to agree with you completelly on this one. I've been in the
> Process for over 2-3 (lost track!) months now [officially and not so
> officially]. Personally, I don't mind wating a bit and have someone
> sponsor my packages..
For others, it took a year or more. The current process is much improved.
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