Netscape on Alpha?
Kerstin Hoef-Emden
Hi,
On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Ron Farrer wrote:
> > My question is, how does one install a browser on Debian for the Alpha?
>
> There is not a version of Netscape for Linux on Alpha. There is however
> a version of Netscape for Tru64 UNIX on Alpha, which can be run (minus
> java) with the required Tru64 libs and proper kernel binary support.
I obtained Netscape 4.7 from the Compaq pages as an rpm-package and
alienised it successfully. According to the dpkg --status output, it is
True64 Unix dependend, but I didn't have to install any extra stuff.
Seemingly it was compiled with statically linked libs.
> However this is an old version 4.xx of Netscape. I find it much better
> to use mozilla or even better galeon. Both of those are availalbe in
> testing/unstable.
Unfortunately, it wasn't mentioned, which Debian version the original
question was referring to. In potato Mozilla M14 is available, but
not really a joy to work with (at least on my machine). I tried to
compile Mozilla M18 from testing. Seemingly it depends on a
lib available only with the gcc 3-package. Compiling it for potato
presumably requires installation of several packages from testing or
recompiling them for potato, thus is not trivial (didn't some people
experience problems with both compiler versions installed in parallel?).
I haven't tried galeon though, but Netscape 4.7 is definitely more
stable and reliable than Mozilla M14. But Mozilla M18 was told to have
much improved over M14. If you have installed woody, you should try it.
Best wishes,
Kerstin
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K. Arun
> My question is, how does one install a browser on Debian for the Alpha?
Search Compaq's site for a version of Netscape 4.7 for Linux/Alpha.
It's an rpm IIRC, but alien makes short work of it. Look under their
Linux/Alpha Power Tools section.
-arun
Fabrice Haberer-Proust
> a version of Netscape for Tru64 UNIX on Alpha, which can be run (minus
> java) with the required Tru64 libs and proper kernel binary support.
> to use mozilla or even better galeon. Both of those are availalbe in
> testing/unstable.
Netscape 4.72 for Tru64 Unix works quite good on my SX 164 under
Debian 2.2r3, and even java works (I do homebanking with a java
applet, for example).
To install it, I just converted the rpm package that cames with RedHat
6.2 for Alpha to a deb package using alien :
alien -d -k -c navigator.rpm
I first did the same with the Tru64 compatibility libraries (also on the
RH 6.2 CD)
You may find the ISO images of RedHat 7.1 for Alpha on
www.linuxiso.org, I think it could works as well as the version 6.2 I
used.
I give up, this is a quick a dirty way, but it helps me a lot. I hope it
will help you too.
Mozilla is much better, of course, but also much slower. So I think it
is usefull to have both.
Regards,
Fabrice Haberer-Proust
Proust Media
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Laurent Jacques
account imported by NFS. There is a problem of the Tru64 licenses system on
linux with that (present in /etc/sia/* on redhat with the Tru64-compat
package).
More info on http://www.alphalinux.org
Laurent.
Andrea Mennucc
hi
what about uploading that package to the debian archives, in
non-free?
On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 07:55:53PM +0100, Kerstin Hoef-Emden wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> On Thu, 3 Jan 2002, Ron Farrer wrote:
>
> > > My question is, how does one install a browser on Debian for the Alpha?
> >
> > There is not a version of Netscape for Linux on Alpha. There is however
> > a version of Netscape for Tru64 UNIX on Alpha, which can be run (minus
> > java) with the required Tru64 libs and proper kernel binary support.
>
> I obtained Netscape 4.7 from the Compaq pages as an rpm-package and
> alienised it successfully. According to the dpkg --status output, it is
> True64 Unix dependend, but I didn't have to install any extra stuff.
> Seemingly it was compiled with statically linked libs.
>
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Kerstin Hoef-Emden
Hi,
On Fri, 4 Jan 2002, Andrea Mennucc wrote:
> what about uploading that package to the debian archives, in
> non-free?
Do the license of Compaq and the Debian policy allow this? Presumably a
debian-maintainer with access-permission for uploads has to do this?
The package is 16.6 MB large and this is the dpkg -I output:
new debian package, version 2.0.
size 16583190 bytes: control archive= 6444 bytes.
0 bytes, 0 lines conffiles
1582 bytes, 38 lines control
15331 bytes, 197 lines md5sums
257 bytes, 8 lines * postinst #!/bin/sh
194 bytes, 6 lines * prerm #!/bin/sh
Package: netscape
Version: 4.7-4
Section: alien
Priority: extra
Architecture: alpha
Installed-Size: 34054
Maintainer: Kerstin Hoef-Emden <k...@alphons.emden.local>
Description: Netscape prebuilt for Alpha Linux
The Alpha Tru64 Unix version of Netscape, which runs on Alpha Linux.
Requires COFF support in the kernel. There may be problems running
Java
due to differences in the thread models between Tru64 Unix and Linux.
This RPM embeds the instructions at
http://www.alphalinux.org/docs/netscape_du.shtml.
Includes some Compaq Tru64 Unix libraries.
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responsibility for any costs associated with the service or support
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without limitation, all implied warranties of merchantability and
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%changes
Repackaged to install files directly rather than by running a script
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Moved install directories from /usr/local/... to /usr/lib/... to match
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During surfing sometimes small windows (that annoying commercial stuff)
pop up without the window frame elements to close them again (fvwm2) and
long term surfing may end up in a crash, but it is more stable than
Mozilla M14.
Best wishes,
Kerstin
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Adam C Powell IV
>Andrea Mennucc <deb...@Tonelli.sns.it> wrote:
>
>>the problem: Debian Alpha is lacking a good browser
>>the solution: there is a version of Netscape 4.7-4
>> that was compiled by Compaq for Tru64; this version is
>> also distributed by RedHat for Alpha; some people have
>> passed it thru alien and installed it, and it works; it would take me
>> 20 minutes to upload it into Debian archives (unstable/non-free)
>>the question: it contains some libraries by Compaq: can I upload it?
>> The license follows.
>>
>
>In the snippet you posted, there was no permission to redistribute.
>Debian needs that in order to even put it in non-free. Also, I
>couldn't get the alphalinux web site to work. I imagine that there is
>more to the license than what you described. I found the website at
>
> http://help.netscape.com/kb/consumer/19990123-1.html
>
>which has some different options for running netscape. It talks about
>needing some licenses for running the original libraries. If you
>could clear all of this up, then Debian might be able to distribute
>Netscape (but maybe not).
>
There's another option: an installer package in the style of realplayer
and the Compaq (Alpha) math library packages. This would require the
user to download the relevant files, then install them in a Debian way.
Just a thought,
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