Josiah Avraham Ben Morgan HaNasi II and Debate

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This is the often-repeated post by Josiah Avraham Ben Morgan HaNasi
II, as it appears (frequently) in the comment sections of Pat Condell:

"Given NascentAtheist/Dave0258/CAFoster's insistence upon attributing
C.I sympathies and resorting to ad hominem, there shall be no "debate'
of any form. I consider Nas-D/CA to be a vain fraud- nothing more,
nothing less, and given his disrespectful approach to his ideological
foe, I simply do not harbor the level of respect for him required to
go out of my way and accommodate his requests. So, once again,
'Debate', if it is to occur, shall take place on my channel and/or
Blog. No concessions.

The full blog rebuttal to 'NascentAtheist'- including his 'Dave0258'
and 'CAFoster58' socks- on which I destroy his 'argument from silence'
approach to attacking the Gospel of Luke and elaborate further on
Darwin's ignorance- is available, and in our weekly update will
feature further indepth deconstruction, analysis and response. For a
preview, simply follow from the link included on my channel."

What follows is my response, edited and enhanced for this forum:

ExposingCondell2, you seem to be very confused. No one is looking for
"concessions" from you, as we are in the superior bargaining position.

You were offered a chance to post your comments and debate your claims
in a forum that is far more amenable to such things. The potential for
dissemination of the forum is much greater, as well. Furthermore, all
readers would be invited to view the debate and participate in a
peanut gallery so that we could see, first-hand, how effective your
methods might be.

Instead, you choose to post and repost in YouTube comment sections,
where is is easy to push you from the attention of the readers with
just a few posts, but where you also simply wish to sow confusion.

You also insist that you will post on your blog (a right that no one
denies you), where you get the last and only word. I don't have a
problem with that, Josiah. According to NascentAtheist, who does
networking, your blog gets extremely limited traffic. I would suspect
that what traffic you do get comes from YouTube, which is certainly
your intent, but that most of it consists of people who are curious
and repulsed by you at the same time, much as we might stare at a
heinous traffic accident.

You are once again using the excuse that we attribute Christian
Identity sympathies to you, and I reply, again, that we didn't do
that, ExposingCondell2, *you* did, when you were posting as
TurnerDiaries. You continue to do so by advertising TurnerDiaries's
Christian Identity MySpace page in your channel description.

You claim that we are vain frauds. But we are educated men, all with
advanced degrees, the youngest is just 50.

You are admittedly very young (20 or so?) and you have no formal
education or training in the areas on which you choose to comment.
That could be why there is so much ignorance in your comments. There
is no crime in being ignorant, Josiah. Ignorance can be cured by
education. But there is a crime when one is willfully ignorant and
when when deceives, as you do. How much more vain is it to have so
little knowledge, talent, and ability as you, and yet posture before
the readers in YouTube, boasting of imaginary victories and for your
sad religion?

Finally, you complain that we show you no respect. Well, why should
we, Josiah? You are narcissistic, sociopathic, and anti-intellectual.
You are a child, after all, as your year-long crusade against Pat
Condell shows, and as your near-daily posting and reposting of refuted
arguments also shows.

Respect is an earned commodity, Josiah.

But you don't really want our respect, Josiah. If you did, you'd
debate. There's no better way to get the respect even of your
"ideological foes," than to be able to intelligently and
dispassionately defend the positions that you take. There is no
respect to be earned when you behave as if another person's YouTube
channels and video comment sections exist for your personal needs,
even when the terms of service are explicit about your misuse.

By the same token, none of us really care to gain your respect. I'm
fairly certain that you harbor no respect for your intellectual
betters, as we have seen many times through your comments and temper
tantrums. Getting the respect of a sociopath is, admittedly, very low
on my list of priorities, and I would not be surprised to hear that my
colleagues are even less worried about it.

The issue is not really one of respect, in any case, Josiah. The
issue is one of *credibility*. As far as can be determined, yours is
next to zero. That is probably what galls you the most, and it is
almost certainly one of the reasons for the frequent, juvenile
accusations that Dave0258 and I are sock puppets of NascentAtheist.
You have been exposed as a sock puppet - one of many. There is no
"confederation" of "lions." There is only you. You know that to be
true, and it galls you, considerably, I'm sure. It would seem that
the only way that you can pretend to have "respect" is to pretend to
have allies, because you get none from your opponents.

ExposingCondell2, there will be no debate because you fear debate, and
you fear those of us who will debate you, as we are, to a man, much
more educated and better-qualified to debate these things.

It's really as simple as that, isn't it?