Shooting at UU church in Knoxville
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DreadGeekGrrl
Jul 28, 2008, 3:44:29 PM7/28/08
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As I'm sure you're aware, a guy shot up a UU church in Knoxville, TN
over the weekend. Today on Huffington Post I found the following blog
post which puts the finger one the underlying why of this. The why we
don't like to ask in this country because the answer makes us
uncomfortable.
Who really killed those Unitarians? Was it the preachers who spread
hatred and intolerance? The politicians who court and flatter them
instead of condemning their hate speech? The media machine that
attacks liberals, calls them "traitors" and suggests you speak to them
"with a baseball bat"? The economic system that batters people like
Jim Adkinson until they snap, then tells them their real enemies are
gays and liberals and secular humanists?
If you ask me, it was all of the above.
You killed them, Pat Robertson. You killed them, Pastor Hagee. You
killed them, Ann Coulter. You killed them, Dick Morris and Sean
Hannity and the rest of you at Fox News.
The shooting began while the children of the church were putting on a
musical based on "Annie." One broad-shouldered church member blocked
the bullets from hitting other people, and died. You don't need to
believe in dogma to be a hero. Remember that song from "Annie"? It
probably got on your nerves like it got on mine. "The sun'll come out
tomorrow."
The sun coming out. That's natural. It's one with the blowing clover
and the falling rain. But a man driven insane, then programmed by
society to kill people just because they're loving and tolerant?
Cheers
DGG
over the weekend. Today on Huffington Post I found the following blog
post which puts the finger one the underlying why of this. The why we
don't like to ask in this country because the answer makes us
uncomfortable.
Who really killed those Unitarians? Was it the preachers who spread
hatred and intolerance? The politicians who court and flatter them
instead of condemning their hate speech? The media machine that
attacks liberals, calls them "traitors" and suggests you speak to them
"with a baseball bat"? The economic system that batters people like
Jim Adkinson until they snap, then tells them their real enemies are
gays and liberals and secular humanists?
If you ask me, it was all of the above.
You killed them, Pat Robertson. You killed them, Pastor Hagee. You
killed them, Ann Coulter. You killed them, Dick Morris and Sean
Hannity and the rest of you at Fox News.
The shooting began while the children of the church were putting on a
musical based on "Annie." One broad-shouldered church member blocked
the bullets from hitting other people, and died. You don't need to
believe in dogma to be a hero. Remember that song from "Annie"? It
probably got on your nerves like it got on mine. "The sun'll come out
tomorrow."
The sun coming out. That's natural. It's one with the blowing clover
and the falling rain. But a man driven insane, then programmed by
society to kill people just because they're loving and tolerant?
Cheers
DGG
Drafterman
Jul 28, 2008, 5:22:07 PM7/28/08
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Let me predict the theist response: But Stalin killed millions!
thea
Jul 28, 2008, 5:24:43 PM7/28/08
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The inhumanity to others not like yourself, make me sick. Too bad they couldn't have caught this guy before he got a gun in his hands. - thea
Drafterman
Jul 28, 2008, 7:32:40 PM7/28/08
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You mean when he was learning intolerant rabid theism?
On Jul 28, 5:24 pm, thea <thea.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The inhumanity to others not like yourself, make me sick. Too bad they
> couldn't have caught this guy before he got a gun in his hands. - thea
>
On Jul 28, 5:24 pm, thea <thea.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The inhumanity to others not like yourself, make me sick. Too bad they
> couldn't have caught this guy before he got a gun in his hands. - thea
>
thea
Jul 29, 2008, 1:57:46 PM7/29/08
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the devil made him do it! thea
Drafterman
Jul 29, 2008, 2:44:35 PM7/29/08
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The devil taught him Christianity?
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thea
Jul 29, 2008, 3:04:47 PM7/29/08
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He was drunk at the time -- when drunk, men *sin*. Noah got off the Ark and got drunk! thea
dali_70
Jul 29, 2008, 3:23:51 PM7/29/08
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Of course the right wing blow hards like Limbaugh, Coulter, Robertson,
etc.
will just point the blame somewhere else. They'll say it was because
of the moral corruptness of TV, popular culture, etc. They'll blame
the victims, say it was punishment for their acceptance of
homosexuality, or some other bullshit.
They'll say the guy was a food stamp chump, pissed off that he
couldn't get a free ride, unable to find employment. Never mind the
guy had a stack of their hate filled books at his house.
etc.
will just point the blame somewhere else. They'll say it was because
of the moral corruptness of TV, popular culture, etc. They'll blame
the victims, say it was punishment for their acceptance of
homosexuality, or some other bullshit.
They'll say the guy was a food stamp chump, pissed off that he
couldn't get a free ride, unable to find employment. Never mind the
guy had a stack of their hate filled books at his house.
Drafterman
Jul 29, 2008, 3:42:19 PM7/29/08
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On Jul 29, 3:04 pm, thea <thea.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
> He was drunk at the time -- when drunk, men *sin*. Noah got off the Ark and
> got drunk! thea
Good example! Noah got drunk and an innocent person (Ham) got punished
> He was drunk at the time -- when drunk, men *sin*. Noah got off the Ark and
> got drunk! thea
for it.
rappoccio
Jul 29, 2008, 4:54:31 PM7/29/08
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On Jul 29, 3:42 pm, Drafterman <drafter...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 29, 3:04 pm, thea <thea.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > He was drunk at the time -- when drunk, men *sin*. Noah got off the Ark and
> > got drunk! thea
>
> Good example! Noah got drunk and an innocent person (Ham) got punished
> for it.
rappoccio
Jul 29, 2008, 4:55:11 PM7/29/08
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perfectly acceptable to say that someone is doing something that is
bat-shit crazy when they are doing something that is bat-shit crazy.
random
Jul 30, 2008, 1:48:42 AM7/30/08
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work on people who lean to your side. But ridicule will only cause the
other side to stop listening to you (to be more precise, to give him
an excuse to do that), and that is not what we want.
rappoccio
Jul 30, 2008, 1:05:34 PM7/30/08
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crazy will not be swayed by any argument we can formulate on our own.
I've ultimately come to the conclusion that it's nearly hopeless to do
anything for them since they are ALREADY putting stock in a different
set of values than "reason and accountability". When someone has done
that, there is basically nothing short of their own desire to stop
being bat-shit crazy, to stop them from being bat-shit crazy.
Instead, the ridicule is designed to show other people that the bat-
shit crazy people are being bat-shit crazy. When it's no longer
socially acceptable, people are less likely to view them as a positive
influence and something that is desirable. So in the long term, less
people become bat-shit crazy.
Dag Yo
Jul 31, 2008, 5:07:44 PM7/31/08
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I'd say there is an assload of blame to go around for this kind of
thing. I personally would like to throw out some in the direction of
all the republican fucktards out there who like to put as little money
into education as they can get away with -- as i'm under the
impression that a good education can teach people how to think, and
the killer certainly didn't have much ability in that department.
thing. I personally would like to throw out some in the direction of
all the republican fucktards out there who like to put as little money
into education as they can get away with -- as i'm under the
impression that a good education can teach people how to think, and
the killer certainly didn't have much ability in that department.
thea
Jul 31, 2008, 7:29:12 PM7/31/08
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On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 3:54 PM, rappoccio <rapp...@gmail.com> wrote:
Apparently God was drunk too... bad aim.
On Jul 29, 3:42 pm, Drafterman <drafter...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 29, 3:04 pm, thea <thea.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > He was drunk at the time -- when drunk, men *sin*. Noah got off the Ark and
> > got drunk! thea
>
> Good example! Noah got drunk and an innocent person (Ham) got punished
> for it.
>
Nope! -- Ham looked!!!
Ham did it to himself.
Gen. 9:22 thea :)
Drafterman
Jul 31, 2008, 11:04:51 PM7/31/08
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On Jul 31, 7:29 pm, thea <thea.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 3:54 PM, rappoccio <rappoc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jul 29, 3:42 pm, Drafterman <drafter...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Jul 29, 3:04 pm, thea <thea.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > He was drunk at the time -- when drunk, men *sin*. Noah got off the
> > Ark and
> > > > got drunk! thea
>
> > > Good example! Noah got drunk and an innocent person (Ham) got punished
> > > for it.
>
> > Apparently God was drunk too... bad aim.
>
> Nope! -- Ham looked!!!
> Ham did it to himself.
> Gen. 9:22 thea :)
And how the fuck was he supposed to know not to look?
>
> > On Jul 29, 3:42 pm, Drafterman <drafter...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Jul 29, 3:04 pm, thea <thea.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > He was drunk at the time -- when drunk, men *sin*. Noah got off the
> > Ark and
> > > > got drunk! thea
>
> > > Good example! Noah got drunk and an innocent person (Ham) got punished
> > > for it.
>
> > Apparently God was drunk too... bad aim.
>
> Nope! -- Ham looked!!!
> Ham did it to himself.
> Gen. 9:22 thea :)
Belly Bionic
Aug 1, 2008, 3:23:32 PM8/1/08
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How was Ham supposed to know that he shouldn't look? Was Ham supposed
to be psychic and be able to tell that a person is naked without
looking at them?
On Jul 31, 4:29 pm, thea <thea.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
to be psychic and be able to tell that a person is naked without
looking at them?
On Jul 31, 4:29 pm, thea <thea.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
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