Things Creationists Hate
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Drafterman
Jul 22, 2008, 1:02:37 PM7/22/08
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http://www.skepticreport.com/creationism/thingscreationistshate.htm
Some of my favorite quotes from the page:
----
"Evolution is a lie, correct? It's an idea spawned by Satan to damn
our souls. Okay, let's think about that. Satan gets the souls of
sinners, correct? If he wants souls, he has to make humans sin.
What
are the seven sins? There's greed, lust, sloth, envy, gluttony,
pride... and I can never remember the last one, but that's okay
because the important one here is pride. The Bible goes to great
lengths to say that terrible things lie in store for the proud in the
great hereafter.
So which is an idea that contributes more to human pride: that we
were specially created in the image of God to be the masters of all
other creatures upon the Earth? Or that we are one species out of
countless billions that has arisen according to simple and probably
inevitable rules of chemistry and selection?"
----
"But then there's me and my dumb questions: Unless the carnivores
evolved really rapidly after the "Fall," they came originally
equipped
as they are now--with claws, incisors, fangs, web-spinning apparatus,
etc. What need would an herbivorous rattlesnake have for venomous
fangs? Why would a cheetah need blazing speed, unless to run down
impala--and why would the impala need to be fast unless to escape
speedy cheetahs? Why would those infamous peppered moths have needed
camouflage? Why would a skunk need its stink, or a porcupine its
quills? What sort of grass did a tyrannosaurus eat with its steak-
knife teeth? No matter how hard I try, I can't imagine without
amusement a black widow trapping what--berries?--in her web, then
envenoming them until they quit struggling! A bison is "designed" as
a
herbivore, and has been one for a long, long time. Your housecat is
plainly "designed" as a meat-eater, and would clearly have a devil of
a time trying to graze for a living."
"Venus Flytraps and other carnivorous plants don't make Biblical-
literalist sense. All the animals were vegetarians when they were
created (or so Creationists tell me), so plants wouldn't be
carnivorous when God made them, either. So these plants developed
their trademark traps within a few thousand years, right? I can see
animals starting to feed off other animals, but...flytraps?
Creationists must admit that they evolved these bug-eating systems,
since God didn't make them that way. So, they admit they COULD
evolve, but now they had to have used some sort of super-fast
evolution. What makes more sense?"
----
"After years of intensive research, I have all but given up hope of
finding a biologist, geologist, physicist, astronomer,
paleontologist,
or whatever, who--through his actual field or laboratory research--
came up with such overwhelming evidence that the Earth is less than
10,000 years old, or that new species never evolve--that he came to
the inescapable conclusion that it was all created recently ... It
never happens in that order. A person FIRST becomes a
fundamentalist--
either raised that way or converted--THEN learns what he is supposed
to believe about the history of Earth and life."
----
"Ever hear impossibly-large numbers quoted as the odds against a cell
or a particular DNA molecule having formed "by accident" to create
the
first living thing? It's an example of the propensity of creationists
to entirely miss the point and set up a specious straw man, ripe for
destruction. Ronald Stearns suggests the following to help them see
where they are missing the point:
One demonstration that has worked well for me in illustrating the
difference between a priori and a posteriori calculations just uses a
deck of cards. Give someone a deck of cards, ask him to shuffle it,
and then read off the first 26 cards. After your subject does that,
jump at him and question his veracity. "You don't really expect me
to
believe that sequence is what you pulled up, is it? The odds against
getting exactly that sequence is 2 x 10 41-to-1 against!""
----
"So if we can create, say, a shih tzu out of a wolf in such a short
time, guess how much can happen in millions and millions of years."
Some of my favorite quotes from the page:
----
"Evolution is a lie, correct? It's an idea spawned by Satan to damn
our souls. Okay, let's think about that. Satan gets the souls of
sinners, correct? If he wants souls, he has to make humans sin.
What
are the seven sins? There's greed, lust, sloth, envy, gluttony,
pride... and I can never remember the last one, but that's okay
because the important one here is pride. The Bible goes to great
lengths to say that terrible things lie in store for the proud in the
great hereafter.
So which is an idea that contributes more to human pride: that we
were specially created in the image of God to be the masters of all
other creatures upon the Earth? Or that we are one species out of
countless billions that has arisen according to simple and probably
inevitable rules of chemistry and selection?"
----
"But then there's me and my dumb questions: Unless the carnivores
evolved really rapidly after the "Fall," they came originally
equipped
as they are now--with claws, incisors, fangs, web-spinning apparatus,
etc. What need would an herbivorous rattlesnake have for venomous
fangs? Why would a cheetah need blazing speed, unless to run down
impala--and why would the impala need to be fast unless to escape
speedy cheetahs? Why would those infamous peppered moths have needed
camouflage? Why would a skunk need its stink, or a porcupine its
quills? What sort of grass did a tyrannosaurus eat with its steak-
knife teeth? No matter how hard I try, I can't imagine without
amusement a black widow trapping what--berries?--in her web, then
envenoming them until they quit struggling! A bison is "designed" as
a
herbivore, and has been one for a long, long time. Your housecat is
plainly "designed" as a meat-eater, and would clearly have a devil of
a time trying to graze for a living."
"Venus Flytraps and other carnivorous plants don't make Biblical-
literalist sense. All the animals were vegetarians when they were
created (or so Creationists tell me), so plants wouldn't be
carnivorous when God made them, either. So these plants developed
their trademark traps within a few thousand years, right? I can see
animals starting to feed off other animals, but...flytraps?
Creationists must admit that they evolved these bug-eating systems,
since God didn't make them that way. So, they admit they COULD
evolve, but now they had to have used some sort of super-fast
evolution. What makes more sense?"
----
"After years of intensive research, I have all but given up hope of
finding a biologist, geologist, physicist, astronomer,
paleontologist,
or whatever, who--through his actual field or laboratory research--
came up with such overwhelming evidence that the Earth is less than
10,000 years old, or that new species never evolve--that he came to
the inescapable conclusion that it was all created recently ... It
never happens in that order. A person FIRST becomes a
fundamentalist--
either raised that way or converted--THEN learns what he is supposed
to believe about the history of Earth and life."
----
"Ever hear impossibly-large numbers quoted as the odds against a cell
or a particular DNA molecule having formed "by accident" to create
the
first living thing? It's an example of the propensity of creationists
to entirely miss the point and set up a specious straw man, ripe for
destruction. Ronald Stearns suggests the following to help them see
where they are missing the point:
One demonstration that has worked well for me in illustrating the
difference between a priori and a posteriori calculations just uses a
deck of cards. Give someone a deck of cards, ask him to shuffle it,
and then read off the first 26 cards. After your subject does that,
jump at him and question his veracity. "You don't really expect me
to
believe that sequence is what you pulled up, is it? The odds against
getting exactly that sequence is 2 x 10 41-to-1 against!""
----
"So if we can create, say, a shih tzu out of a wolf in such a short
time, guess how much can happen in millions and millions of years."
Ted Goas
Jul 23, 2008, 1:23:48 PM7/23/08
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That site is funny!
"Authentic Degrees and Credentials - Isn't education a pain? ..." Haha
-Ted Goas
http://www.skepticalmonkey.com
"Authentic Degrees and Credentials - Isn't education a pain? ..." Haha
-Ted Goas
http://www.skepticalmonkey.com
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