Englander mit frage
Billy H
have posted in your group and I wonder two things
First, am I ok to write to you in English?
Second, is this group frequented by professional people?
Thank you for your time.
Danke Schon.
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Billy H
Take advice from the words of the wise
Seek wisdom from those who are older
That's what the lassie told the soldier
Rudyard Kipling
Hans-Gustav Erpel
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> Hi group, I am William from Lancashire in England. This is the first time
> I
> have posted in your group and I wonder two things
Raally?
> First, am I ok to write to you in English?
No, this is a german group as you can see at the "de." at the begining.
You don't learn much foreign languages in good old England?
> Second, is this group frequented by professional people?
Yes, this group is frequented by many professional people with a deep
insight in psychiatry!
> Thank you for your time.
>
> Danke Schon.
It's Ok.
Herrmann "Doom" Ketten-Säge
"Billy H" <chan...@sforxmas.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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Werner-Fuss-Zentrum
> Second, is this group frequented by professional people?
see the FAQ of this newsgroup:
http://www.psychiatrie-erfahrene.de/faq.htm
Here the answer on question one in English:
> 1) Is there anything as "mental illness" existing ?
NO !
There is simple proof why its existence necessarilly and rationally
must be denied and this takes place in three steps:
The first step:
The description of what an illness is:
In order to speak meaningfully in the medical sense about an illness,
BOTH of the following conditions must be fulfilled:
a) an objectifiable change of the body tissue or body fluid must be
present, as determined for example with the forensic investigation of a
cause of death.
b) the person who has an illness must suffer from it subjectively
and/or believe that he will suffer, in other words, he must at least
consider that present condition to be unpleasant and have a desire to
change it. Furthermore, this is a precondition for anything like
"therapy" to take place.
The second step:
there is no illness, UNLESS both criteria a) and b) are fulfilled,
because:
- if none of the two criteria are fulfilled, then the word "illness"
can only be used as methaphor: for example "a sick joke", or "the
economy is ill".
- if a) applies, but not b), then the doctors have lost a diagnosis and
an operating field: for example people under a certain height were
designated simply as being "ill" and the illness described as
"exceptionally short". But that becomes irrelevant from the moment that
dwarfs say that they are a normal part of mankind and do not suffer
because of their size. Another example is deaf people: as soon as they
organize themselves as people who speak differently, the "suffering"
dissapears and with it the possibility to call deafness an "illness".
- if b) does apply but not a), then it would be left up to the
subjective feeling whether someone has an illness or not. Naturally so
far no society has been prepared to accept the far-reaching
consequences of this, because it would mean that - on the one hand -
everyone could sign his own sick leave certificate and - on the other
hand - the substantial function of the doctors would break down,
because - in contrast to todays orthodox medicine - investigations and
a diagnosis would no longer be needed, but rather any spiritual
charlatanism would have the priority.
The third step:
The alleged existance of "mental illness" can fulfill neither the
condition a) nor b) - although even the absence of one of the two
conditions of these alleged "diagnoses" would fall through for a
candidacy as "illness" (see 2.) because:
- there are no objectifiable changes in the body tissue. As everyone
knows, neither a blood test, nor a brainscan, nor a microscopic, X-ray
or ultrasonic examination is made, let alone even a "gene test", in
order to make any of the slandering psychiatric diagnoses.
- no "suffering" accompanied by a desire for change can be present if
people are regularly locked up in psychiatric prisons. Logically they
are locked up because they are not there voluntarily and otherwise
would leave and thereby extract themselves from the psychiatric torture
methods such as four-point restraint, forced injections, electro-shocks
etc. and constantly having to see these fascist methods. Rather it is
those who are locked up who are turned into suffering people by
psychiatry, by being degraded and humiliated, with attempts to break
their will, using torture methods to extract a confession in which they
finally admit to their "illness", so that afterwards the psychiatrists
will be able to call the whole martyr "medical" treatment.
To sum up: The use of the words "mental illness" are about the use of a
methaphor, thus only words, not actual findings or facts.
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Werner-Fuß-Zentrum
im Haus der Demokratie und Menschenrechte
Greifswalder Str. 4
10405 Berlin
http://www.psychiatrie-erfahrene.de
Klaus Meier
This group is open for everyone, its free here.
Some stupid trolls are thinking, that they are important
and have to make the rules, but they are most invalid.
And what about you ? Have you heared about the
"Jack the Ripper" ? gangster or psychopath,
and where are the rules, if there are anyone ?
Klaus Meier
Billy H
"Hans-Gustav Erpel" <hgexy....@fahr-zur-hoelle.org> wrote in message
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> "Billy H" <chan...@sforxmas.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:45808b6e$0$8757$ed26...@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net...
>> Hi group, I am William from Lancashire in England. This is the first time
>> I
>> have posted in your group and I wonder two things
>
> Raally?
>
yaaas, raally!
>> First, am I ok to write to you in English?
>
> No, this is a german group as you can see at the "de." at the begining.
> You don't learn much foreign languages in good old England?
>
What can I say? It is easier to get hold of cocaine in England than it is to
find a nice person to teach me the Lutherian Deutsch.
>> Second, is this group frequented by professional people?
>
> Yes, this group is frequented by many professional people with a deep
> insight in psychiatry!
>
Ah, that is good to know, I believe you chaps developed the science so
surely you have a deep understanding of that which you discuss.
I shall enjoy to read your topics, using the knowledge of your langauge and
complementing my own learning along the way.
>> Thank you for your time.
>>
>> Danke Schon.
>
> It's Ok.
>
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Billy H
Billy H
"Klaus Meier" <SpamSh...@gmx.de> wrote in message
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The Suffolk Strangler? I say it would be hard to distinguish him from many
others today in England, my country is over-run with people with
psychopathic disorders of one kind or another, and who is to say the
psychopathic tendency will surface regularly? How is a person such as me to
know which psychopath is likely to be violent or likely to commit murder? I
would not say all psychopaths would commit murder although some who would
not commit murder are as capable and probable to cause as much damage and
emotional upset as the psychopathically disordered murderer. So sad but so
true I think.
Rules? I think the first rule I should abide is me taking some time and
reading more of the German posts and learning some advanced language from
you all. I shall do so over time. What better way to learn language than
with folks discussing science? And in discussing pyschological science at
that?
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Billy H
Billy H
"Werner-Fuss-Zentrum" <werne...@gmx.de> wrote in message
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Billy H wrote:
<snip>
>To sum up: The use of the words "mental illness"
>are about the use of a
>methaphor, thus only words, not actual findings >or facts.
So the man who refuses to go to school, is not mentally 'ill'? Or ill
mentally?
And the person at school who refuses to learn is not ill mentally?
The person who laughs and calls it Schardefreud when he sees a lady hit by a
car at high speed is not sick, or ill mentally?
Mentally ill is to my mind a very sensitive phrase, the word ill has many
meanings in English, and many illnesses of the mind can exist the
psychiatrist would not register as mental problems, but they are illnesses
just the same.
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Billy H
Klaus Meier
Thank you, I think it is good to discuss psychological science. I think
it is good learning advanced langeguage, and i want to learn your
langeguage too. I am not a expert in science, but I am interested in
psychological themes.
Some people are kidding here by writing fakes, but you can find out the
differences betwen the different people which are writing here.
KM
Hans Müller
Don't talk about your problems! Show them, we want to see them!
Lothar Pilgenröder
I wonder two things
First, am I ok to write to you in English?
Second, is this group frequented by professional people?
Hi William
First: it´s ok.
second: By no means.
Lothar
Werner-Fuss-Zentrum
> >To sum up: The use of the words "mental illness"
> >are about the use of a
> >methaphor, thus only words, not actual findings >or facts.
...
> Mentally ill is to my mind a very sensitive phrase, the word ill has many
> meanings in English, and many illnesses of the mind can exist the
> psychiatrist would not register as mental problems, but they are illnesses
> just the same.
so you agree that the use of the word "mental illness" means only a
methaphor not actual findings or facts as discribed in the second step
of "FAQ in dsmp" question 1:
"if none of the two criteria are fulfilled, then the word "illness" can
only be used as methaphor: for example "a sick joke", or "the economy
is ill". "
Werner-Fuß-Zentrum
Billy H
Billy H wrote:
> >To sum up: The use of the words "mental illness"
> >are about the use of a
> >methaphor, thus only words, not actual findings >or facts.
...
> Mentally ill is to my mind a very sensitive phrase, the word ill has many
> meanings in English, and many illnesses of the mind can exist the
> psychiatrist would not register as mental problems, but they are illnesses
> just the same.
so you agree that the use of the word "mental illness" means only a
methaphor not actual findings or facts as discribed in the second step
of "FAQ in dsmp" question 1:
"if none of the two criteria are fulfilled, then the word "illness" can
only be used as methaphor: for example "a sick joke", or "the economy
is ill". "
In a sense I agree but we must note the context and the civilised conditions
under which we live.
It is not necessary to run around shouting loud things and chase wild
animals which we would kill and eat.
It is not necessary for us to pull down trees and search the undergrowth for
small morsels of vegetable matter to eat.
We need not murder sheep for our clothing.
We have cultivated lands full of fields of wheat and carrots etc, we have
farms where cattle is tended. We have a developed civilisation that took
many millenia to grow and systems in place. Over time the definition of
illness, disease etc must change to suit the times in which we live. A
disease is and illnes for the illness part of disease is the disease itself,
which fulfills your second criteria.
What you do not answer is my second part, where I refer to mental illness as
a simple thing elucidated by a desire not to go to school and to learn, is
that not a mentla illness albeit a metaphor for something else, that
something else being a wrong the person does that may later in life cause
himself and others some harm given the complex nature of Western
Civilisation as it now is.
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Billy H
Looking for insults - in his dictionary.
Found one, Armadillo - drugged up saddo.