Hi-Tech Electrostatic Speakers
vk3bfc
Recently i was fortunate enough to be shown a 3 way speaker system
comprising individual hi fequency and midrange electrostatic panels. With a
conventional bottom end driver.
These speakers charged instantly on power up, instead of the normal 24hr+
charge up time required by conventional electrostatic speakers. There was a
shut off device that turned the speakers completely off when no signal from
the amplifier was received and re-powered upon signal being applied again.
This feature meant that the speakers are not left on when a residence is
unattended and increases the life of the speakers at least 10 fold.
Listening is the only real test of speakers, and these are the best
electrostatic i have heard.
At last a practical ELS that sounds fantastic.
I am trying to contact the manufacturer as they do not have a web site.
If anyone else has heard of these speakers under the name "electrostatic
speaker technology Australia" please let me know.
I would like to acquire a pair.
many thanks
--
Frank Scott
VK3BFC
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vk3...@bigpond.net.au
William Sommerwerck
as "non-existant," so I have to repost to be certian to get them all. Sorry.
RIPOFF ALERT! RIPOFF ALERT!
This guy is the the manufacturer or importer, not a buyer. (Note the hard-sell
tone.) And his facts are way off.
vk3bfc wrote:
> NEW HI-TECH ELECTROSTATIC SPEAKERS DEVELOPED IN AUSTRALIA
>
> Recently I was fortunate enough to be shown a 3-way speaker system comprising
> individual hi-fequency and midrange electrostatic panels. With a conventional
> bottom end driver.
It's called a "woofer." (At least he used "comprising" correctly.)
> These speakers charged instantly on power up, instead of the normal 24hr+
> charge up time required by conventional electrostatic speakers. There was a
> shut off device that turned the speakers completely off when no signal from
> the amplifier was received and re-powered upon signal being applied again.
> This feature meant that the speakers are not left on when a residence is
> unattended and increases the life of the speakers at least 10 fold.
As we all know, tens of thousands of audiophiles are burned to death every year
when their unattended electrostatic speakers burst into white-hot flame and
reduce their houses to black ash in minutes. So deadly is the conflagration
engendered by these lethal devices that the audiophiles cannot reach their
bedroom door before the flames convert their body fat to a boiling mass.
Leaving an electrostatic speaker turned on continuously does not represent a
fire hazard, nor does it shorten the speaker's life.
> Listening is the only real test of speakers, and these are the best
> electrostatic I have heard. At last a practical ELS that sounds fantastic.
I guess Acoustats, Martin-Logans, and QUADs aren't practical, and just aren't
very good, are they?
> I am trying to contact the manufacturer as they do not have a Web site. If
> anyone else has heard of these speakers under the name "electrostatic speaker
> technology Australia" please let me know. I would like to acquire a pair.
It's amazing that someone who lives in Australia can't locate an Australian
manufacturer. And what about the person who gave him the demo? No POP material
to hand out?
vk3bfc
ONE i am neither the importer or reseller or distributor i am a consumer
TWO the facts are as i heard and saw them.
sounds more like YOU are a dealer worried about a new piece of technology
that may make your equipment outdated
and its not as easy and you may think to find companies especially small
ones which i believe the one making these things are in australia.
and the demo was at a techs place who was in possesion of a pair he had
bought second hand a year ago.
Your tone makes me think YOU ARE A DEALER who doesnt like competition.
am i wrong ???
--
Frank Scott
VK3BFC
www.qsl.net/vk3bfc
vk3...@bigpond.net.au
"William Sommerwerck" <will...@nwlink.com> wrote in message
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Kalman Rubinson
wrote:
>and the demo was at a techs place who was in possesion of a pair he had
>bought second hand a year ago.
1) So, they are NOT a new design.
2) Why not ask him to read what info there is on the labels?
Frankly, there was no useful information in your post other than
the Australian origin and there was much mis-information.
Kal (who is not a dealer and who is curious as to what they were)
david ellwood
the naim ones which were in development for years
and never came out because they decided to bring
out the DBL instead. If anyone was going to do something
really cool with statics it would be direct drive
(no transformers) unless it has already been done?
ps julian vereker was a really nice bloke and will be missed
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William Sommerwerck
I am neither a dealer nor a manufacturer. But I know bald-faced promotional
advertising when I see it. The tone of this posting is that of someone trying to
promote interest in a product -- not someone who is simply trying to locate the
manufacturer or a dealer.
I own two pairs of Apogee Divas. As much as I like electrostatic speakers, it's
unlikely that any new brand will obsolete what I currently own.
William Sommerwerck
is it Janszen?) cum AR systems, all the way to Acoustat and Martin-Logan
designs.
There have been transformerless direct-drive electrostatics, using both tubes
and transistors.
The only thing "impractical" about electrostatic speakers is the need to
position away from the wall. They do not necessarily require an expensive or
"esoteric" amplifier. I've heard good setups using Hafler and Adcom amps.
The original claim that these "new" electrostatics are great-sounding and
practical overlooks the fact that there have been great-sounding and practical
electrostatic speakers for over 40 years.
Writer
"david ellwood" <da...@thecause.co.uk> wrote in message
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> These speakers charged instantly on power up, instead of the normal 24hr+
> charge up time required by conventional electrostatic speakers.
What speakers are you talking about? Quad Electrostatics are available
immediately - particularly my ELS 63s.
Writer
Scott Dorsey
>There have been any number of hybrid electrostatics, dating from the Jansen (or
>is it Janszen?) cum AR systems, all the way to Acoustat and Martin-Logan
>designs.
Very, very few of these actually have good integration between the top end
and bottom end... the Martin Logan's are a great example. The CLS has great
top end and great bottom end, but they are different, and as a bass player
moves up and down through the crossover transition region, you can hear the
transition between drivers taking place. Very distracting.
Sheldon Stokes, who is fanatic on the subject of electrostats, claims that
transmission line woofers are the only way to get decent integration, and
having listened to some of his systems I am inclined to agree with him.
But he can't give me a good explanation as to why this is the case and
I don't see why either.
>The only thing "impractical" about electrostatic speakers is the need to
>position away from the wall. They do not necessarily require an expensive or
>"esoteric" amplifier. I've heard good setups using Hafler and Adcom amps.
I cannot think of any amplifier less esoteric than the Quad II. It's a
pair of EF86s and a pair of 6L6es on steroids.
>The original claim that these "new" electrostatics are great-sounding and
>practical overlooks the fact that there have been great-sounding and practical
>electrostatic speakers for over 40 years.
Actually, practical electrostatic speakers actually predate electrodynamic
designs. In the 1920s there were a couple companies making small
electrostats for home radio recievers. They sounded surprisingly good given
the materials of the day.
Which brings to mind... has anyone heard of the Final speakers? They
have apparently just started importing them and I have not seen them at
any shows yet.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
William Sommerwerck
> Sheldon Stokes, who is fanatic on the subject of electrostats, claims that
> transmission line woofers are the only way to get decent integration, and having
> listened to some of his systems I am inclined to agree with him. But he can't give
> me a good explanation as to why this is the case and I don't see why either.
I can. Transmission lines are overdamped, and produce very tight, transparent bass.
About 15 years ago, Bud Fried played a pair of the then-current O subwoofers for me.
It was the first time I'd heard bass that sounded like good midrange. Very
transparent, very detailed, very uncolored.
> >The original claim that these "new" electrostatics are great-sounding and
> practical overlooks the fact that
> > there have been great-sounding and practical electrostatic speakers for over 40
> years.
>
> Actually, practical electrostatic speakers actually predate electrodynamic
> designs. In the 1920s there were a couple companies making small electrostats for
> home radio recievers. They sounded surprisingly good given the materials of the
> day.
Sheep guts?
I would disagree on the "practical" aspect. There were tweeters aplenty for many
years, but a "practical" speaker has to be full-range, and as far as I know the QUAD
was the first.
michael w
"Chris Malcolm" <c...@holyrood.ed.ac.uk> wrote in message
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> >ps julian vereker was a really nice bloke and will be missed
>
> --
He died last January.
Details at...
http://www.stereophile.com/shownews.cgi?649
Trevor Lees
DF
use a 12 volt plug pack and only draw power when the amp is on
UNfortunately my wife says they dominate the room and she hates them!
Hence they are for sale. ($1500 ono in Melbourne)
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bill
>
> NEW HI-TECH ELECTROSTATIC SPEAKERS DEVELOPED IN AUSTRALIA
>
> Recently i was fortunate enough to be shown a 3 way speaker system
> comprising individual hi fequency and midrange electrostatic panels. With a
> conventional bottom end driver.
Nothing new here.
Koss factory showroom (before they moved);
the old one, in a dingy warehouse in Milwaukee;
maybe 1973 or so ......
Same standing wave problems as ALL physically large radiators.
Been there; done that.
Bill
Tucson, AZ