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hand...@klosterneuburg.net

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Jan 5, 2006, 9:56:50 AM1/5/06
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Nachdem offenbar immer noch Uralt-Agfachrome oder Orwo-Filme
auftauchen, hier ein Rezept zum Selbstentwickeln/
because of prehistoric agfachrome or orwochrome films showing up
occasionally, here a recipe for do-it-yourself development:

Entwicklung von Agfacolor-Diafilm/development of Agfacolor slide film:
(sollte auch für Nicht (!) E-6 Agfachrome- und Orwochrom(e)-Diafilm
geeignet sein/
should also be usable for non (!) E-6 Agfachrome and Orwochrom(e) slide
film)

Keine Garantie! Angaben ohne Gewähr!/No warranty or liability!

aus/from Agfacolor - Material und Verarbeitung, Halle 1958
und/and Entwicklungsvorschrift für Agfacolor-Umkehrfilm, Agfa-Wolfen
1957


Temperatur(e): 18 °C

Erstentwicklung/first development (32 min):

Wasser/water 750 mL
Natriumhexametaphosphat/sodium hexa metaphosphate 2 g
Natriumsulfit wasserfrei/sodium sulfite anhydrous 50 g
2,4 Diaminophenol dihydrochlorid(e) (Amidol) 5 g
Kaliumbromid/potassium bromide 2 g
Mit Wasser auffüllen/fill with water 1000 mL
Geeignet für 3 - 4 Kleinbild- oder Rollfilme
suitable for 3 - 4 35 mm or roll films

Wässern/rinse with water (25 min)


Zwischenbelichtung/exposure (5 min)


Farbentwicklung/color development (10 min)

Lösungen A und B werden erst vor Verwendung vereinigt
Solutions A and B are mixed immediately before use
(Luftblasen vermeiden/avoid air bubbles)
Geeignet für 7 - 8 Kleinbild- oder Rollfilme
suitable for 7 - 8 35 mm or roll films

Lösung/solution A:
Wasser/water 400 mL
Natriumhexametaphosphat/sodium hexa metaphosphate 2 g
Hydroxylammoniumsulfat/hydroxylammonium sulfate 1,2 g
N-ethyl-N-(2-hydroxy)ethyl-4-amino anilin(e) 6 g
mit Wasser auffüllen/fill with water 500 mL

Lösung/solution B:
Wasser/water 400 mL
Natriumhexametaphosphat/sodium hexa metaphosphate 2 g
Kaliumcarbonat/potassium carbonate 75 g
Natriumsulfit wasserfrei/sodium sulfite anhydrous 2 g
Kaliumbromid/potassium bromide 2 g
mit Wasser auffüllen/fill with water 500 mL


Wässern/rinse with water (25 min)


Bleichen/bleach (5 min)

Wasser/water 750 mL
Kaliumhexacyanoferrat(III)/potassium ferricyanide 100 g
Kaliumbromid/potassium bromide 15 g
Kaliumdihydrogenphosphat/potassium dihydrogen phosphate 5,8 g
Dinatriumhydrogenphosphat/disodium hydrogen phosphate 4,3 g
mit Wasser auffüllen/fill with water 1000 mL
pH = 6,0
Geeignet für 12 Kleinbild- oder Rollfilme
suitable for 12 35 mm or roll films


Wässern/rinse with water (5 min)


Fixierung/fixing (5 min)

Wasser/water 750 mL
Natriumthiosulfat/sodium thiosulfate (Pentahydrat(e) ?) 200 g
mit Wasser auffüllen/fill with water 1000 mL
Geeignet für 12 Kleinbild- oder Rollfilme
suitable for 12 35 mm or roll films


Wässern/rinse with water (5 min)


Stabilisierung/stabilization (5 min)

Wasser/water 750 mL
Natriumacetat wasserfrei/sodium acetate anhydrous 60 g
Aluminiumsulfat/aluminum sulfate 20 g
oder/or
Kaliumalaun/potassium alum 30 g
Mit Wasser auffüllen/fill with water 1000 mL
pH = 5,6
Geeignet für 12 Kleinbild- oder Rollfilme
suitable for 12 35 mm or roll films


Endwässern/ final rinse with water (25 min)


Trocknen/drying below 30 °C


Übernahme auf eigene Seiten und in Enzyklopädien erwünscht/
please feel free to put it on your own web pages or encyclopedias

Dr. rer. nat. Heinz Anderle, Österreich/Austria

William Graham

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Jan 5, 2006, 3:43:37 PM1/5/06
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Temperatur(e): 18 °C

Erstentwicklung/first development (32 min):


Zwischenbelichtung/exposure (5 min)


Farbentwicklung/color development (10 min)


Bleichen/bleach (5 min)


Fixierung/fixing (5 min)


Stabilisierung/stabilization (5 min)


Trocknen/drying below 30 °C

Here is a Babel fish translation of all the above:

After obviously still age-old Agfachrome or Orwo films emerge, here a
prescription for self-developing because OF prehistoric agfachrome or
orwochrome of film showing UP occasionally, here A recipe for DO-IT-YOURSELF
development: Development of Agfacolor Diafilm/development OF Agfacolor slide
film: (should not be also for (!) E-6 Agfachrome and Orwochrom(e) Diafilm
suitably should thus usable for non (!) E-6 Agfachrome and Orwochrom(e)
slide film) No warranty! Data without Gewaehr!/No warranty or liability!
aus/from Agfacolor - material and processing, resounds 1958 to and/and
entwicklungsvorschrift for Agfacolor Umkehrfilm, Agfa Wolfen 1957
Temperature (E): 18 °C Initial development/roofridge development (32 min):
Wasser/water 750 mL Natriumhexametaphosphat/sodium hexadecimal of
metaphosphates 2 g natriumsulfit wasserfrei/sodium sulfites anhydrous 50 g
2.4 diaminophenol dihydrochlorid(e) (Amidol) 5 g Kaliumbromid/potassium of
bromide 2 g with water auffuellen/fill with more water 1000 mL suitably for
3 - 4 small picture or roll films suitable for 3 - 4 35 mm or roll of film
Waessern/rinse with more water (25 min) Zwischenbelichtung/exposure (5 min)
Farbentwicklung/color development (10 min) Solutions A and B only before use
combines Solutions A and B of acres mixed immediately before use (bubbles
vermeiden/avoid air of bubbles) suitably for 7 - 8 small picture or roll
films suitable for 7 - 8 35 mm or roll of film Loesung/solution A:
Wasser/water 400 mL Natriumhexametaphosphat/sodium hexadecimal of
metaphosphates 2 g hydroxyl ammonium sulphate/hydroxyl ammonium of sulfates
1.2 g N-ethyl-N-(2-hydroxy)ethyl-4-amino aniline (E) 6 g with water
auffuellen/fill with more water 500 mL Loesung/solution B: Wasser/water 400
mL Natriumhexametaphosphat/sodium hexadecimal of metaphosphates 2 g
Kaliumcarbonat/potassium of carbonates 75 g natriumsulfit wasserfrei/sodium
sulfites anhydrous 2 g Kaliumbromid/potassium of bromide 2 g with water
auffuellen/fill with more water 500 mL Waessern/rinse with more water (25

min) Bleichen/bleach (5 min) Wasser/water 750 mL

Kaliumhexacyanoferrat(III)/potassium of ferricyanides 100 g
Kaliumbromid/potassium of bromide 15 g Kaliumdihydrogenphosphat/potassium
dihydrogen phosphates 5.8 g Dinatriumhydrogenphosphat/disodium
hydraulictowards phosphates 4.3 g with water auffuellen/fill with more water
1000 mL pH = 6.0 suitably for 12 small picture or roll films suitable for 12
35 mm or roll of film Waessern/rinse with more water (5 min)

Fixierung/fixing (5 min) Wasser/water 750 mL Natriumthiosulfat/sodium

thiosulfate (Pentahydrat(e)?) 200 g with water auffuellen/fill with more
water 1000 mL suitably for 12 small picture or roll films suitable for 12 35
mm or roll of film Waessern/rinse with more water (5 min)
Stabilisierung/stabilization (5 min) Wasser/water 750 mL natriumacetat
wasserfrei/sodium acetates anhydrous 60 g Aluminiumsulfat/aluminum of
sulfates 20 g oder/or Kaliumalaun/potassium alum 30 g with water
auffuellen/fill with more water 1000 mL pH = 5.6 suitably for 12 small
picture or roll films suitable for 12 35 mm or roll of film Endwaessern/
finally rinse with more water (25 min) Trocknen/drying below 30 °C
Assumption on own sides and in encyclopedias desired please feel free tons
of PUT it on your own Web of pages or encyclopedias Dr. rer. nat. Heinz
Anderle one, Oesterreich/Austria

Oliver Corff

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Jan 5, 2006, 4:19:52 PM1/5/06
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In de.rec.fotografie William Graham <we...@comcast.net> wrote:

: Here is a Babel fish translation of all the above:

[Unsinn entfernt]

Schnellschuss. Ohne Fisch war's besser.

Oliver.


--
Dr. Oliver Corff e-mail: co...@zedat.fu-berlin.de

Chris Loffredo

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Jan 5, 2006, 3:37:19 PM1/5/06
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William Graham wrote:

>
> Here is a Babel fish translation of all the above:
>

Yep, the world according to Babelfish: That explains some of your
"enlightened" points of view...

William Graham

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Jan 5, 2006, 8:43:13 PM1/5/06
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"Chris Loffredo" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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There is absolutely no opinion in the translation. It is strictly a machine
generated translation from a program called "Babel fish" that I discovered
via Google. If you suspect a right wing plot in the text, I suggest you
contact the Babble fish people and lodge your complaint with them.


William Graham

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Jan 5, 2006, 9:09:49 PM1/5/06
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"William Graham" <we...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Also, there is nothing wrong with my point of view. Its deviation from your
own, only gives it additional creditability.


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Oliver Corff

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Jan 6, 2006, 2:17:35 AM1/6/06
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In de.rec.fotografie William Graham <we...@comcast.net> wrote:

: There is absolutely no opinion in the translation. It is strictly a machine

: generated translation from a program called "Babel fish" that I discovered
: via Google.

I wonder why you forced the text through Babelfish's mouth. That may have
been an experiment. But why, then did you post it? The text was bilingual
in the original posting, and _much better_ to read.

hand...@klosterneuburg.net

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Jan 6, 2006, 1:41:46 AM1/6/06
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Achtung Fehlerteufel/Caution Error:


N-ethyl-N-(2-hydroxy)ethyl-4-amino anilin(e) sulfate (!) 6
g

nicht die freie Base/not the free base!!

Temperatur(e): 18 °C


Erstentwicklung/first development (32 min):


Wasser/water 750 mL
Natriumhexametaphosphat/sodium hexa metaphosphate 2 g
Natriumsulfit wasserfrei/sodium sulfite anhydrous 50 g
2,4 Diaminophenol dihydrochlorid(e) (Amidol) 5 g
Kaliumbromid/potassium bromide 2 g
Mit Wasser auffüllen/fill with water 1000 mL
Geeignet für 3 - 4 Kleinbild- oder Rollfilme
suitable for 3 - 4 35 mm or roll films


Wässern/rinse with water (25 min)


Zwischenbelichtung/exposure (5 min)


Farbentwicklung/color development (10 min)


Lösungen A und B werden erst vor Verwendung vereinigt
Solutions A and B are mixed immediately before use
(Luftblasen vermeiden/avoid air bubbles)
Geeignet für 7 - 8 Kleinbild- oder Rollfilme
suitable for 7 - 8 35 mm or roll films


Lösung/solution A:
Wasser/water 400 mL
Natriumhexametaphosphat/sodium hexa metaphosphate 2 g
Hydroxylammoniumsulfat/hydroxylammonium sulfate 1,2 g

N-ethyl-N-(2-hydroxy)ethyl-4-amino anilin(e) sulfat(e) 6 g

William Graham

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Jan 6, 2006, 7:04:31 PM1/6/06
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"Oliver Corff" <co...@zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote in message
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> In de.rec.fotografie William Graham <we...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> : There is absolutely no opinion in the translation. It is strictly a
> machine
> : generated translation from a program called "Babel fish" that I
> discovered
> : via Google.
>
> I wonder why you forced the text through Babelfish's mouth. That may have
> been an experiment. But why, then did you post it? The text was bilingual
> in the original posting, and _much better_ to read.
>
> Oliver.

I didn't know it was bilingual in the original posting.


hand...@klosterneuburg.net

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Jan 10, 2006, 12:25:39 AM1/10/06
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Ich habe dies im Koshofer-Buch Farbfotografie ebenfalls gelesen/I have
read that in Koshofer's Book Color Photography as well.

Könnten Sie bitte die Zusammensetzung der jeweiligen Erstentwickler
anführen, wenn möglich/could you please list the respective first
developers' composition, if possible?

Danke/Thank You!

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hand...@klosterneuburg.net

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Jan 14, 2006, 4:18:40 PM1/14/06
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"Agfa Proces 41 FD

calgon (Na-hexametaphosphat(e) 2
metol 3
hydroquinone 6
sodium sulfite 40
sodium carbonate 40
sodium thiocyanate 1.8
potassium bromide 2
potassium iodide 0.006


ORWO 9165 (C-07)


calgon 2
sodium sulfite 40
borax 15
phenidone 0.25
hydroquinone 4.5
Potassium bromide 2
potassium thicyaate 2
potassium iodide 0.012
potassium carbonate 25"

Danke/Thank You.

Für KI empfiehlt sich die Herstellung einer Stammlösung, da 12 mg
eine teure Analysenwaage verlangen würden/for KI preparing a stock
solution would be recommended, because 12 mg would require an expensive
analytical balance.

Haben sich auch die Erstentwickler-Zeit und die Badtemperatur
geändert/Did the time for first development and the temperature change
as well?

Sind die anderen Rezepturen und Zeiten gleich geblieben/Did the other
formulations and times remain unchanged?

hand...@klosterneuburg.net

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