jetzt haben unsere BeOS Freunde doch noch einen kleinen Sieg
eingesteckt. Lest mal diese WAHNSINNSANKÜNDIGUNG!!!
Also kommen wohl die Features und Systemsurroundings von Copland auf dem
Kernel von BeOS?!?
Das alles ist wahnsinnig spannend... Viel Spaß beim Lesen:
MONTEREY, California (Reuter) - Apple Computer Inc. plans to release a
new line of computers as early as 1998 that will run an operating system
written from scratch, Chief Executive Gilbert Amelio said Wednesday.
The new operating system -- the fundamental software that controls the
basic functions of the computer -- will leapfrog Microsoft Corp.'s
competing family of Windows software, Amelio told investors at the
American Electronics Association conference in Monterey.
"When you are the minority player in the marketplace, as we are, you
need something other than market share to distinguish yourself," Amelio
said.
Amelio declined to specify what the new software would look like or
how it would outperform Windows. But he promised it would "completely
change the way" people get their work done on computers through
applications, such as word processing and spreadsheets.
Earlier this year, Apple said it would abandon the overhaul of its
Macintosh operating system, an effort code-named Copland. Apple
programmers will use some of the components of Copland but will
practically start from scratch, Amelio said.
Operations, product top priority
Amelio also told investors, as he has done recently, that increasing
the struggling computer maker's revenue and market share would not be a
priority until he could improve the company's operations and product
lines.
The effort may take until 1998.
> jetzt haben unsere BeOS Freunde doch noch einen kleinen Sieg
> eingesteckt. Lest mal diese WAHNSINNSANKÜNDIGUNG!!!
>
> Also kommen wohl die Features und Systemsurroundings von Copland auf dem
> Kernel von BeOS?!?
>
> Das alles ist wahnsinnig spannend... Viel Spaß beim Lesen:
>
> MONTEREY, California (Reuter) - Apple Computer Inc. plans to release a
> new line of computers as early as 1998 that will run an operating system
> written from scratch, Chief Executive Gilbert Amelio said Wednesday.
Finde ich ehrlich gesagt weniger cool. Ich hab' kein Bock, komplett neue
Hardware und Software kaufen zu muessen, um ein neues BS laufen lassen
zu koennen. Da koennte ich genauso gut auf Be umsteigen.
Ich habe nicht behauptet, dass es so kommen wird, nur leider ist bisher
ueber das neue BS in Sachen Kompatibilitaet nichts bekannt. Die
Ankuendigung kann also sowohl das allerschoenste Weihnachtsgeschenk
versprechen als auch eine Katastrofe (sp?) androhen.
Abwarten, nur Geduld,
Michael
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Marc <eva...@tap.de> wrote:
> jetzt haben unsere BeOS Freunde doch noch einen kleinen Sieg
> eingesteckt. Lest mal diese WAHNSINNSANKÜNDIGUNG!!!
Amelio hat die richtige Entscheidung getroffen - aber sie kommt verdammt
spaet. Ob es zu spaet ist werden wir vielleicht Mitte 1998 wissen.
Ich hab' seit Einfuehrung des PPCs gepredigt: ein neues OS muss her -
aber alle haben nur nach Kompatibilitaet geschrien und trotzdem nicht
gerade wenig Geld fuer PPC-Updates ausgeben muessen. Der jetzige Schnitt
wird haerter - einige Kunden werden vielleicht auf WinNT umsteigen bzw.
bis dahin umgestiegen sein.
Es kann auch das AUS fuer Apple heissen - aber weiteres abwarten und
dahinduempeln mit Kompatibilitaet auch. Das neue OS muss deutlich besser
sein als das bisher angekuendigte MacOS 8 - etwa dem etwa fuer diese
Zeit mal angekuendigtem MacOS 9 entsprechen, aber mindestens WinNT und
BeOS im Jahre 1998 ebenbuertig sein, die bis dahin auch nicht schlafen.
Es wird hart fuer Apple werden.
> Also kommen wohl die Features und Systemsurroundings von Copland auf dem
> Kernel von BeOS?!?
Hmm..., glaub ich nicht so recht. Ich werde mir im Fruehjahr die
BeOS-Maschinen ganz genau ansehen. Bis jetzt (was ich gehoert und
gesehen habe) ist es genau das was ich suche.
BuddY+E
Tja Leute, war wohl nix mit dem neuen System. Ein Blick auf
<http://www.macintouch.com> wirkt manchmal Wunder. Da finden sich dann
Verweise auf sowas:
<http://product.info.apple.com/pr/press.releases/1997/q1/961031.pr.rel.m
acos.html>
Apple Clarifies Mac OS Position
CUPERTINO, Calif.--Oct. 31, 1996--At a
financial conference in Monterey, Calif., on
October 30, 1996, Dr. Gilbert F. Amelio,
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Apple
Computer, Inc., spoke about the general future
of operating systems. Contrary to the claims
made in several media reports, he did not
announce a new operating system strategy for
Apple, nor make any new statements about
microprocessor or product line direction.
In response to these reports Apple would like
to clarify the following:
* Dr. Amelio was speaking in general terms
about how operating systems will evolve in
the future. At no point did Dr. Amelio
signal a change in direction for Apple's
Mac OS strategy.
* Apple did not announce a new operating
system strategy. Apple has stated that it
will release incremental upgrades to the
Mac OS and is in the process of finalizing
its long term operating system strategy
and will announce this by early 1997.
* Apple's strategic hardware direction is
focused on the PowerPC. Apple has no
current plans to migrate the Mac OS to
other microprocessors.
* Technologies previously worked on in the
Copland project will be integrated into
future releases of the Mac OS. It is wrong
to characterize Apple's current OS
development efforts as "starting from
scratch."
----
Fuer weitere Geruechte siehe <
http://www.macweek.com/top_stories/news_beos.html>
: jetzt haben unsere BeOS Freunde doch noch einen kleinen Sieg
: eingesteckt. Lest mal diese WAHNSINNSANKÜNDIGUNG!!!
Apple says this is not true
read about it at
http://product.info.apple.com/pr/press.releases/1997/q1/961031.pr.rel.macos.
html
Axel
> Das neue OS muss deutlich besser
> sein als das bisher angekuendigte MacOS 8 - etwa dem etwa fuer diese
> Zeit mal angekuendigtem MacOS 9 entsprechen, aber mindestens WinNT und
> BeOS im Jahre 1998 ebenbuertig sein, die bis dahin auch nicht schlafen.
Und es muß einen exzellenten Mac-OS-Emulator haben!
gruß,
zippo
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In eines tumben Toren Hand." (D. Duesentrieb)
Michael Schuerig <uzs...@uni-bonn.de> wrote:
> Tja Leute, war wohl nix mit dem neuen System.
Tja - kann ich nur sagen: wirklich Schade!
> Ein Blick auf <http://www.macintouch.com> wirkt manchmal Wunder.
Kann ich nur sagen: guckst Du da aber selten drauf ;-), ca. eine Stunden
spaeter war auch da der Widerruf von Apple zu finden!
BuddY+E
cu,
Hanno
P.S. Flames wegen der "paar Hundert Mark" bitte an
Sven...@uni-duesseldorf.de :-)
Ich habe vor ein paar Tagen eine Praesentation von BeOS gesehen. Das ist
wirklich beeindruckend. Wenn Apple schon eine ganz neue Produktpalette
rausbringen will, dann sollten sie diese verdammte Be Firma schlicht
kaufen, die BeBox in ein PowerMac Gehaeuse stecken, und dann kann man
endlich mal wieder seine Win95 Freunde zum HEULEN bringen!
cu,
Hanno
Diese Pressemitteilung bezieht sich allerdings auf Agenturmeldungen,
Amelio hätte behauptet, Apple wolle das MacOS "from scratch" neu
schreiben.
Sie enthält somit keinerlei Aussage über "to Be or not to Be".
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Institut für Theoretische Physik +49 30 314-24254, FAX -21130
Technische Universität Berlin PGP key available, IRC kuroi
Germany http://itp1.physik.tu-berlin.de/~schwarz/
> kaufen, die BeBox in ein PowerMac Gehaeuse stecken, und dann kann man
> endlich mal wieder seine Win95 Freunde zum HEULEN bringen!
Kauf doch einfach ne BeBox und zeig die deinen Freunden!
--
Raimund
> Rolf-Stephan Badura <bu...@cs.tu-berlin.de> wrote:
>
> Das Dementi kam doch nur, um die Leute nicht zu verprellen, von wegen
> Schlingerkurs und so.
>
Und schon gibt es auch schon nähere Infos zu dem Thema.. Ich finde den
Bericht sehr gut und informativ. Er beschreibt recht genau die
unterschiedlicen Probleme mit den beiden möglichen Strategien.
Aber wie gesagt der Vorteil vom Zusammenwerfen ist die schnellere
Verfügbarkeit und vollen Speicherschutz und Multitasking und nicht nur
für Backgroundtasks. Also in einem Schritt statt auf System9 zu warten.
Leider sieht es wohl dann erstmal schlecht aus was die ganzen
AppleTechnologien angeht. Bis das alles umgesetzt ist!!! Vor allem auch
das PowerMAnagement w/PowerBooks.
Bleibt nur zu hoffen, daß das alles einigermaßen reibungslos
funktioniert.
Ciao Marc
Apple maps '97 merger of Mac OS 8
and BeOS
High-level talks with Be heat up
By Stephen Howard (stephen...@macweek.com)
Apple and Be Inc. were at the bargaining table last week, hashing
out a deal that could bring the small, Menlo Park, Calif.-based
company's OS into Apple's fold.
Sources said that while terms of a company or software acquisition
are not firm, Apple already knows how it wants to deploy BeOS.
MacWEEK has learned that the main thrust of Apple's plans is a
merger of the microkernel from Mac OS 8, formerly code-named
Copland, with the BeOS application model. The company
reportedly has set midsummer 1997 as the earliest time frame for an
initial delivery of the hybrid OS. Apple expects to port key System
7.5 services to this new platform gradually, sources said.
This merger of Mac OS 8's foundation and BeOS APIs is a path
that reportedly sacrifices compatibility with current Mac applications
to gain speed and stability. By using BeOS technology, the
company hopes to gain an elegant, high-performance operating
system that is deeply object-oriented while offering a checklist of
modern OS services: pre-emptive multitasking, symmetrical
multiprocessing, multithreading and protected memory.
Apple is still investigating whether System 7.5 applications can run
on BeOS through some form of emulation (see 09.23.96, Page 1).
Sources said such a Mac OS compatibility box is feasible because
Apple has already developed similar software for Unix operating
systems. However, a BeOS version might not be ready by
mid-1997.
The timing is important: Apple reportedly believes it can bring a
modified BeOS to market much faster than it could add competitive
services to the current Mac OS 8 code. Sources said Apple expects
to continue developing and supporting System 7.5 for Power Macs
and PowerPC Platform (PPCP) machines while adopting the bulk
of BeOS as its mainstream operating system for the future. Apple
Chief Technical Officer Ellen Hancock reportedly is leading the
drive for a radical OS shift and received approval at a meeting of the
company's board of directors in October.
If Apple strikes a deal with Be, this strategy will replace the APIs of
the Mac Toolbox and familiar Mac OS capabilities with the all-new
structure of Be's fully PowerPC-native application model.
BeOS is built around a core set of software servers that
programmers access through specialized kits. The servers are highly
multithreaded processes for user interface, multimedia, networking,
storage and other OS components. The software kits are
object-oriented functions and classes, written mainly in C++, that
access and control the lower-level servers. The main development
environment for Be's platform is a BeOS version of CodeWarrior
from Metrowerks Inc. of Austin, Texas.
Macintosh developers who have worked with BeOS said the
software kits are easier to program for than the Mac OS; the kits
were created whole rather than expanded over years like the Mac
Toolbox, and they have far fewer capabilities than System 7.
Developers comfortable with C++ repeatedly described writing
programs for BeOS as "fun." Some cautioned, however, that
creating full-featured programs may be no easier on BeOS than Mac
OS because developers would need to build some functions from
scratch.
Sources said Apple recognizes BeOS is missing many pieces, such
as full support for international languages, advanced printing and
typography, and a component-software scheme like OpenDoc. The
company's internal plans state that Apple would port QuickTime,
ColorSync, WorldScript and other Mac OS services to the BeOS
application model in response to customer needs. Thus, the initial
release of a merged Mac OS 8 and BeOS would not include many
existing features of System 7, sources said. However, the plans do
include a virtual machine to run Sun Java applets.
Apple reportedly estimates that it could create this combination OS
by the middle of 1997 if a deal is struck between the two companies
this year. Porting Mac OS services to the new OS would be
accomplished in stages, sources said, and that effort could take
years. Nevertheless, Apple reportedly believes that getting a
foothold with a competitive modern OS is a short-term market
requirement.
A longer-term benefit sought by Apple is processor independence.
BeOS is written almost entirely in portable code that can be
recompiled easily for different CPUs. Originally developed for
AT&T Corp.'s now-defunct Hobbit chip, BeOS was later ported to
the PowerPC. Apple expects to be able to offer a merged Mac OS
8-BeOS on Intel chips in the future, sources said.
The foundation of a modern OS is a microkernel, and sources said
Apple thinks its home-grown Mac OS 8 version, called NuKernel,
is better-suited to the company's products and strategic goals than
Be's.
According to previous public statements by Apple, the Mac OS 8
microkernel, like Be's, will provide symmetric and pre-emptive
multitasking, multithreading, and protected memory. However,
these services were to be unavailable to System 7 applications
running under Mac OS 8.
Apple's original Mac OS 8 designs required third-party software
and large elements of the Mac OS to be rewritten to take advantage
of the modern services in NuKernel. Even then, only faceless
background tasks were to be pre-emptively multitasked and run in
protected memory; any portions of the OS or applications that
presented a graphical interface to users would be cooperatively
multitasked and share one memory space (see 11.28.94, Page 1).
Swapping the Mac Toolbox and other elements of Mac OS 8 for the
BeOS application model will reportedly free up NuKernel for use
by all software.
The existing BeOS microkernel offers the same core benefits as Mac
OS 8's; however, sources said Mac OS 8's plug-and-play
recognition of new hardware and its power management on portable
systems are the areas where Apple feels its microkernel is superior.
Apple has said that Mac OS 8 was designed for flexibility and that
its support for Open Firmware boot code and driver make it easier
for Mac clone makers to implement new hardware features.
Hardware plug and play is seen as crucial to the adoption of the Mac
OS on PPCP machines, which are due to ship in 1997. Sources
said Be is working on a PPCP version of its OS, including Open
Firmware, but Apple's work is largely finished.
In addition, Apple reportedly is building its microkernel with
PowerBooks in mind, adding power management at the lowest
levels. Sources said Be's microkernel has no power-saving modes.
Noting the relatively small technical differences between the two
microkernels, some observers familiar with Apple's plans
suggested that the company was retaining its Mac OS 8 foundation
to save face. Without it, Apple would be abandoning all the fruits of
its Mac OS 8 development.
Such political and personal considerations are crucial while
negotiations continue between Be and Apple. Sources said the two
companies have accelerated discussions in the past two weeks, and
the focus now rests on the role of Be staff, including CEO
Jean-Louis Gassee. The previous head of Apple's product
development is reportedly deeply ambivalent about returning to the
halls of Cupertino, Calif., a feeling shared by many Be
programmers who are also Apple veterans. Be is also reluctant to
simply hand over BeOS source code to Apple programmers.
Sources said Apple is considering forming a new group, separate
from its current AppleSoft OS team, to house BeOS and current Be
employees.
Terms of a deal are reportedly being negotiated directly by Apple's
Hancock with Gassee and Be Director David Marquardt, a founder
of venture-capital firm August Capital. Said to be a key figure in the
Apple-Be relationship, Marquardt is Be's largest shareholder and
sits on the boards of Microsoft Corp. and several other Mac and
Windows companies.
Along with an Apple deal, Be is courting Mac companies to port to
its OS. Sources said Adobe Systems Inc. of San Jose, Calif., is
working on a Be version of Adobe Photoshop. In addition, Be has
reportedly pursued the Berkeley, Calif.-based StarNine division of
Quarterdeck Corp. to port its WebStar Internet server. Apple sees
these two applications in particular as important in establishing a
new merged-OS platform, sources said.
Apple and Be declined to comment.
In article <Pine.GSO.3.95.961102...@boris.ucdavis.edu>,
Hanno Kaiser writes:
> Ich habe vor ein paar Tagen eine Praesentation von BeOS gesehen. Das ist
> wirklich beeindruckend.
Zumindest sollte das von Apple als Alternativ-OS mitvertrieben werden
(Wahlmöglichkeit beim Kauf eine PowerMac)
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<URL:mailto:Thilo....@kiel.netsurf.de>
In article <199611010...@rhrz-ts2-p1.rhrz.uni-bonn.de>, Michael
Schuerig writes:
> Finde ich ehrlich gesagt weniger cool. Ich hab' kein Bock, komplett neue
> Hardware und Software kaufen zu muessen, um ein neues BS laufen lassen
> zu koennen. Da koennte ich genauso gut auf Be umsteigen.
In den neueste TidBITS steht dazu etwas gutes. Nämlich, daß Apple neimals
die Kompatibilität aufgeben würde. Es soll nur darum gehen das
Betriebsystem in Zukunft instabil zu halten, nur weil bestimmte Software
nicht systemkonform programmiert wurde (so wichtige Teile wie Office-Pakete
und so). D.h. die Programmierer müssen dann endlich ihre Bugs beseitigen.
Ich finde das gut. Also keine Bange! Den meisten von uns wird das daher
eher zugute kommen.
: Zumindest sollte das von Apple als Alternativ-OS mitvertrieben werden
: (Wahlmöglichkeit beim Kauf eine PowerMac)
PowerComputing Clone kaufen. Zwei OS ohne einen Pfennig dazu zu bezahlen.
SCNR :-)
db
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>> Floskeln, Floskeln, Floskeln - und an die Auflage denken <<
> In article <199611010...@rhrz-ts2-p1.rhrz.uni-bonn.de>, Michael
> Schuerig writes:
>
> > Finde ich ehrlich gesagt weniger cool. Ich hab' kein Bock, komplett neue
> > Hardware und Software kaufen zu muessen, um ein neues BS laufen lassen
> > zu koennen. Da koennte ich genauso gut auf Be umsteigen.
Ich glaube, der Sinn der Sache ist nicht, immer das neueste
Betriebssystem auf dem Computer zu haben, sondern das, das am besten zum
individuellen Computer passt.
Abwaertskompatiblitaet ist im Computerbereich doch nur der Feind aller
Innovationen.
Michael