Only Trapped and Abandoned, Ordered or "Hijacked" : No Free man was ever killed in 9/11 !?
Blaz
Only Trapped and Abandoned, Ordered or "Hijacked" : No Free man was
ever killed in 9/11 !?
- AllTheTruth's criticism of WTC Emergency failure vindicated by
mainstream Media
- Three out of Four people killed were "trapped" by "locked doors" and
refusal to use Helicopter rescue, so that they died 1 or 2 Hours after
surviving Airplanes' hits, NYT, USA Today and AP confirm.
- Strange over-"Security" killed.
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AllTheTruth's NewsAlert No 48.
By Blas Mirco and Maltes' Friends, 27-28 May 2002
http://AllTheTruth.eg.st (during agressions/blockades, alternative
address/mirror : http://www.freewebz.com/allthetruth)
AllTh...@PhoenixMail.Org
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Shortly after AllTheTruth spearheaded a series of publications
strongly criticizing the grave and surprising failure of WTC
Emergency, (as it appeared even more clearly after the 1st ever Report
on 9/11 by ASCE : May 1), it was confirmed and vindicated by results
of detailed Enquiries made in the following days by mainstream Media,
such as USA Today, New York Times, AP, etc.
At the Focus of AllTheTruth's criticism was the infamous
over-"Security" which killed at WTC many people "trapped" by "locked
doors" towards stairs (mainly towards the roof), and the strange fact
that No Helicopter was used to try to save people inside Flat-roofed
Skyscrapers, 110 floors high, not even to help fight the Fire by
bringing Water (even at lower floors, to stop a dangerous Heat), which
reportedly was disabled inside WTC. And all that, despite the fact
that NY Manhattan's Heliport was very close, only a few minutes away,
while the tragedy continued for 1 or 2 hours-long !
The latest relevant AllTheTruth's denunciations were published on May
1, 12 and 18 (See reminder infra).
- Out of some "2.000 people on and/or above the floors hit by the
airplanes, only 16 survived. ... Others went Up the stairway in search
of a Helicopter rescue that never came. On the Northern Tower,
everyone above the 92nd flour died"", immediately echoed USA Today, on
May 17.
- At least 70% (almost 3/4) of those who died inside WTC, were killed
in Top floors, at or above the Airplanes' hits, a comprehensive New
York Times' investigation by 5 Reporters confirmed a few days later,
on May 26.
More than "1.946 people" were indeed "Trapped", NYT verified.
And without any Helicopter rescue, they were all atrociously killed at
top floors after an agony as long as "1 or 2 Hours" after surviving
Airplanes' hits, in the South and Northern Tower : 600 and 1.344
people trapped and killed, respectively. Only 18 survived, while at
least 37 "jumped" to avoid slow death.
Some 200 people went towards the flat Top of WTC, vainly Waiting for
Rescue, which never came.
This is proved by Videos and Photos, E mails, Phone calls, Voice
Mails, eye witnesses, etc. : Before being killed by Fire and/or the
Collapse, more than 353 "trapped" people communicated with family or
friends outside, found NYT.
AllTheTruth found some photos and people who indicate that one or two
Helicopters succeeded to fly over WTC's flat roof, but didn't see
anybody out, because the doors to the roof had been locked.
To those 2.000 people scandalously "trapped" by a deadly
"over-Security" with "locked doors", and "abandoned" without any
nearby Helicopter rescue,
if we add also the more than 550 NY FireFighters and Tens of NY
Policemen ordered to go and stay too long inside WTC, until they were
killed by the strange, totally vertical implosions,
=> then, it appears that it is only those people who were "trapped"
and "abandoned", or "ordered" to go and stay inside WTC, who made
99% of the 2.823victims, together with the "kidnapped" Airplane
passengers, the alleged hijackers, etc.
=> Only "Trapped" and "Abandoned", "Ordered", or "Hijacked" !
With only some exceptions (e.g. the Few hit immediately at the
Airplanes' crash points)
=> it appears that No "Free" man was ever killed on this strange day
: 9/11 !
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Comp. the relevant criticism published recently by AllTheTruth :
<<"EMERGENCY" actions on HIGH-RISE Buildings WITHOUT HELICOPTERS ?
Moreover, at certain points, what is blatantly and obviously lacking,
helps more than what is inside ASCE's half-empty box :
E.g., when ASCE speaks about "Emergency" evacuation procedures, many
people try in vain to find out why the numerous Victims trapped over
Airplanes' hits by "locked doors" towards WTC's open and flat roofs
(the obvious and simpler way to escape in High-rise buildings) were
totally abandoned for more than an Hour until being atrociously killed
(some jumping out, with more sufferings, and even total despair from
the frustration to be hindered to do anything, than others,
instantaneously dead) without any attempt to help them up there by
immediately using the numerous Helicopters easily available, only in a
few MINUTES distance, at the nearby, downtown MANHATTAN's own HELIPORT
!
Who and why "locked" even that possibility, irresponsibly trapping and
abandoning Human beings to be killed without any attempt to help ?
Special NYC/FEMA Helicopters might even have helped to fight the fires
(which, allegedly, softened steel, contributing to Collapse), as they
usually do against Forest Fires, by bringing and/or throwing large
quantities of Water, which, according to ASCE's findings, had been
curiously, totally blocked inside WTC, hindering Firefighters to
act.>>
(Abstract from AllTheTruth's News Alert, May 1)
---------
<<After scandalously destroying Evidence on Deadly Crimes since
September 11, violently obstructing NY Fire-Fighters' access to search
for their lost brothers since 30 October 2001, tragically failing to
help Human Beings trapped like animals by "locked doors" and blocked
stairs even for the roof, without even using for skyscraper rescue
and/or fire-fighting the nearby Manhattan's Heliport (belonging to
NY/NJersey Port Authority, as WTC), pushing to WTC 7 collapse by
controversial Diesel Fuel stocks inside, (ETC.) and curiously
"accelerating" a hasty "Closure" of Recovery at Ground Zero,
some inside NYC "Emergency" service's leadership should have done
better than celebrate Champagne weddings with Dutch women and Mr.
Giuliani over WTC Burial Ground, hundreds of dead bodies underneath
(as early as end 2001) : >>
(Abstract from AllTheTruth's News Alert, May 18)
----------------
<<***THIS IS ONLY ONE AMID MANY MORE CRITICAL POINTS RAISED BY
AllTheTruth AND BRUTALLY CENSORED. But, any way. Here are some FACTSs
on that :....... 1) Helicopter Rescue on Flat-roofed High-Rise
Buildings is the most Natural Emergency rescue method, for Top floors.
2) But is was NOT used at all, in the case of WTC, despite the fact
that many people were blocked Over the Airplanes' hit, some even
obliged to jump to certain death., others having suffered atrociously
before being killed, scandalously, as trapped animals. 3) Time was
enough to save Many Human Lives : - South Tower stood almost 1 Hour,
and North Tower shortly less than 2 Hours ! - Moreover, Downtown
MANHATTAN's HELIPORT, with plenty of helicopters, was NEAR WTC, at
only a few Minutes flight ! (+Both WTC and Heliport belong to the same
Proprietor : N. Jersey and N.Y Port Authority). 4) On the contrary,
All People working above the hits, were slyly TRAPPED and condemned to
an exceptionally atrocious Killing by notoriously "LOCKED DOORS" (with
Deadly pseudo"Security" pretexts), scandalously Blocking any Escape to
WTC's Roofs : 100% Flat and ideal for Helicopter rescue. 5) Video and
Photos clearly reveal that Many Floors Over Planes' hits, plenty of
trapped People, were NOT covered by "Smoke", and therefore could (and
should) have been used for trying to Save Human Lives by nearby
Helicopters. 6) In addition to rescuing People, Helicopters (evenmore
Specially Equipped Helicos at the disposal of NYC Emergency service)
could (and should) have tried to Help fight the Fires (whose internal
Heat allegedly contributed to weaken WTC steel and add a factor
leading to deadly, strange implosions). They could simply act as
Usually Helicopters do in order to combat huge Forest a.o. Fires :
Bring WATER, which was curiously, totally "Disabled" inside WTC,
hindering Fire-Fighters to do their work (according to ASCE's
revelations). Precious Time (counted in Human Lives saved) could have
been gained, also for those People who faced quicker Collapse,
underneath, which was Unexpected, Unprecedented and "Astonishing" even
for Experts (as ASCE's Report says.) If we believe some ASCE's
hypothesis, (about "Heat" weakening some Steel even at lower floors,
while Fire suppression systems were curiously 100% "disabled"), then,
EVEN BRINGING WATER TO LOWER FLOORS (without any Smoke, nor external
fire) WOULD HELP, at least to gain precious Time (and may be save a
Part of WTC, erect). 7) At any case, it is an obvious Blatant
Omission, while dealing with "Emergency procedures" in ASCE's
Conclusions NOT EVEN TO SAY A WORD FOR THE MOST OBVIOUS : Why
Helicopters were NOT used at all to Save People (and help fight the
Fire by throwing/Bringing Water) ? Such a grave Omission is a grave
Darkpot 8) "Emergency Security" services seem to gave completely
FAILED at WTC's case : * Locked Doors and Stairs. * Helicopters Not
used to Rescue nor Help Firefighters, abandoned alone. * Diesel Fuel
irregularly stored at WTC 7, and may be elsewhere too, provoking
"explosions", and/or Secondary Fires Melting the Steel. * "Plumbers"
with Fake IDs entering "reserved" areas inside WTC buildings the week
before 9/11 (already a Woman was brutally Murdered in that story, 1
day before appearing at Court, and Police thinks it was done in order
to hinder her Testimony). * Macabre Champagne "Party" held at Burrial
Ground Zero by some "Emergency" staffers who had the bad taste to
"feast" at a Cemetery (with Mr Giuliani"s presence), while dead bodies
were still unearthed, shortly after 9/11 Crimes, whose evidence has
been notoriously destroyed 96% despite Desperate Calls by Victims'
Families, supported by AllTheTruth. ETC ETC ETC. => Only for this
(comparatively small) point : IT SMELLS TOO FISHY ! >>
'Part of an AllTheTruth's publication/reply during a Public Debate
initiated at Google : May 12)
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Supports from the start (mid-December 2001) Sally Regenhard's Call for
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George
"Blaz" <ae...@phoenixmail.org> wrote in message
news:db88d80a.02052...@posting.google.com...
> --------------------
> Only Trapped and Abandoned, Ordered or "Hijacked" : No Free man was
> ever killed in 9/11 !?
>
> - AllTheTruth's criticism of WTC Emergency failure vindicated by
> mainstream Media
>
> - Three out of Four people killed were "trapped" by "locked doors" and
> refusal to use Helicopter rescue, so that they died 1 or 2 Hours after
> surviving Airplanes' hits, NYT, USA Today and AP confirm.
Blaz seems to forget that it was not the so-called "locked doors" that
killed, it was the terrorist attack that killed. He was in there so he
would know that the doors were locked. I get the suspicion that a timber
must have rattled something loose in his brain.
Brian O'Neill
Did he ever consider that fascist Islamic's maybe locked the doors and
planted the "alleged" explosives and used fake ID's, etc Blaz Blaz Blaz.
Helecopters can not be landed on the top of a burning building to rescue
people. Forest fires are fought from 1000' plus. The updrafts are too
intense to rescue people from a building full of 10,000 plus gallons of
burning jet fuel and burning interior plastics, etc.
Blaz, apologize immediately.
"George" <Mini_j...@traitor.com> wrote in message
news:F_WI8.55031$7S6.23...@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com...
Blaz
22:22:04 PST
Date: 2002-05-28 22:22:04 PST
<<His next step, obviously, is to blame the entire thing on "Jews". >>
!!!
-----------------------
Not at all. (Otherwise, we should "blame" some of our Friends, who are
both "Jews", "Arabs", and many others)...
AllTheTruth has nothing to do with narrow nationalistic/ethnic
reasoning : Only Universal, basic Intellectual and Human Values. Stop
to misinterpret everything through the DEFORMING EYEGLASSES of Middle
East Tragedy. What is really at stake in 9/11(despite any eventual
partial manipulation) seems to be much BIGGER and larger. Now that the
main Deadly Criminals might try to HIDE themselves behind OTHER
issues, that's not excluded. But they would be obliged to tell many
lies in trying to make people believe such a Nonsense. And there's
where "Truth" becomes practically and historically urgent and
important.
---------------------
>>Did he ever consider that fascist Islamic's maybe locked the doors
and planted the "alleged" explosives and used fake ID's, etc >>
---------------
Nothing can be excluded at this stage :
AllTheTruth and Maltes'Friends, after a first careful examination of
9/11 events, (also through publications presented to Public Debates
initiated by some of us since end October 2001), has concluded by
simply -but strongly- urging, since early November 2001, to launch a
full, independent, pluralist and transparent Investigation on what
really happened in 9/11, starting by WTC's strange, deadly implosions,
but including also the curious way 4 Airplanes were led and let to be
allegedly "hijacked", pushed around for many hundreds of kms at the
heart of USA, and crashed.
Victims' Families joined in, added their Voices, and are strongly and
faithfully supported by AllTheTruth.
=> Welcome to join us !
Have a look to the Point we published at Google (after
censorship/delays-as for other messages send yesterday, but curiously
censored/blocked by someone at Google without any explanation),
between 10-12 May 2002 :
<<*** But what surprises us most of all is the Following fact :
Independently of all that (and much more Facts) : WHY SOME ARE AFRAID
WHEN AllTheTruth RAISES THE QUESTION OF THE NEED TO ENQUIRY A PROBABLE
COMPLEMENTARY INTERNAL WTC "SABOTAGE" ???
We Never said WHO might have done it :
Just and only Objective Facts indicating that something Strange
happened, beyond Airplanes (which,
as ASCE admitted, do NOT explain WTC"s strange, deadly implosions).
AllTheTruth Never even suggested (until now? WHO might it be : This
should, logically comme AFTER attesting the Facts of a Crime (as
usually in all Criminal Enqiries : First you discover that a Murder
has been committed, and only afterwards you searhc Who might be the
murderer and its (total or partial) Accomplices.
We never claimed that it wasn't, for example, another Ben Landen team
(to follow the official version), or Anyone else. And AllTheTruth
NEVER (yet) ACCUSED ANYONE in particular for a probable Sabotage.
BUT, NEVERTHELESS, THE FACT IS THAT SOME ARE OBVIOUSLY AFRAID EVEN OF
SPEAKING ABOUT THE NEED TO MAKE AN ENQUIRY FOR A POSSIBLE INTERNAL
SABOTAGE AT WTC => as they are betrayed by such Brutal Aggressions and
Blockades.
WHO, and WHY ???>>
----------------------------
+ On another, hasty claim by Brian, we add nothing, because he didn't
yet even replied to AllTheTruth's many and long, concrete arguments
and facts, (confirmed, vindicated and even extended further by USA
Today, New York Times, AP, etc, afterwards). You'd better READ all the
texts before hastily commending only on a tiny part : 1/100000% ....
WWW Forums should be for Public Debates on Issues of General Interest
for the World Wide Web Society.
Not for hasty, personal insults (which discredit only those who abuse
of personal aggressions : That's said for anOther, obvious, systematic
and stupid aggressor, highly Suspect for links with Deadly Criminals
since he has been curiously and illegally, brutally harassing
continuously those who search all the Truth on 9/11).
Strange Fact : HE was Never Censored at Google !
(Contrary to many "Disappearing", "Kidnapped" AllTheTruth's Texts).
George
> 22:22:04 PST
> Date: 2002-05-28 22:22:04 PST
>
> <<His next step, obviously, is to blame the entire thing on "Jews". >>
> !!!
> -----------------------
> Not at all. (Otherwise, we should "blame" some of our Friends, who are
> both "Jews", "Arabs", and many others)...
> AllTheTruth has nothing to do with narrow nationalistic/ethnic
> reasoning : Only Universal, basic Intellectual and Human Values. Stop
> to misinterpret everything through the DEFORMING EYEGLASSES of Middle
> East Tragedy. What is really at stake in 9/11(despite any eventual
> partial manipulation) seems to be much BIGGER and larger. Now that the
> main Deadly Criminals might try to HIDE themselves behind OTHER
> issues, that's not excluded. But they would be obliged to tell many
> lies in trying to make people believe such a Nonsense. And there's
> where "Truth" becomes practically and historically urgent and
> important.
I notice you didn't respond to my post. So I'll repeat it here:
> Blaz seems to forget that it was not the so-called "locked doors" that
> killed, it was the terrorist attack that killed. He was in there so he
> would know that the doors were locked. I get the suspicion that a timber
> must have rattled something loose in his brain.
You seem to think that if a building is attacked, and people die, it is
somehow everyone else's fault except the attackers. This is not only a cop
out, not only misguided (and self-serving), it is a diversion that promotes
the terrorists' agenda (part of which is to divide and conquer). Wanting to
know the facts is one thing, but to suggest that people died in a doomed
building because doors were locked, or because the city (which was in chaos
at the time) didn't immediately send every helicopter available into harms
way (not knowing whether more attacks were imminent, and obviously not
having the kind or volume of equipment and the number of properly trained
personnel available at a moment's notice to perform such rescues), without
acknowledging that the real cause of death was the fact that terrorists
slammed two jumbo jets into the buildings, which precipitated catastrophic
structural failures is to not only do a great disservice to the memory of
those who perished and their surviving loved ones, but you insult the
intelligence of the general population. Now, having said that, could you
please keep your paranoid delusions between yourself and your therapist?
Any comments, Blaz?
[snip] more paranoid delusions.
T. Gryn
place, was covered thoroughly in the following article back in
October:
No Escape: Could Helicopters Have Saved People From Trade Center? ---
Police Choppers Hovered, But Roof Was Locked; Rescuers Feuded in Past
--- A Daring Mission in 1993
Wall Street Journal; New York, N.Y.; Oct 23, 2001; By Scot J. Paltrow
and Queena Sook Kim
Abstract:
Dangerous as it sounds, this kind of airborne mission can succeed. In
1993, Mr. [Greg Semendinger] had helped rescue 28 people from the roof
of the same north tower. A terrorist bomb had exploded in the trade
center's basement garage, sending thick smoke up through the
stairwells. That time, a police chopper piloted by Mr. Semendinger had
lowered two men by rope to the roof. They cut down antennas to clear a
landing area from which the workers were airlifted to safety.
Whether even a few of those lives could have been saved by a roof
rescue isn't clear. Climbing staircases rapidly filling with smoke
could have been tough. The plane's impact might have knocked stairway
doors out of alignment, making them impassible, regardless of whether
they were locked. The intense smoke and forest of rooftop antennas
made landing a helicopter impossible. Rescuers also could have had
trouble if a crowd of workers turned into a desperate mob, competing
to get off the roof.
When the Port Authority sat down with the fire department to discuss
improving fire safety at the trade center, however, the department
adamantly opposed making arrangements for helicopter rescues, says the
Port Authority's Mr. [Alan Reiss]. "I remember lots of anger" within
the fire department over the police-helicopter rescue, he says. "I
wasn't going to get in the middle of that," he adds. The fire
department's wishes meshed with the Port Authority's desire to keep
the roof locked to prevent vandalism and suicides, he says.
Bosshound
police helicopter trying to land on the roof of Trade Center 1 but could not
because of Heavy wiring and too much smoke ?
Boss...@sbcglobal.net
"T. Gryn" <gry...@NOSPAMosu.edu> wrote in message
news:3cf4dbff...@nntp.service.ohio-state.edu...
Blaz
ready for anything to hide the truth,
but ...
---
<<George (geo...@george.com) Date: 2002-05-29 06:32:59 PST
"I notice you didn't respond to my post. (... ) a timber must have
rattled something loose in his brain. (...) keep your paranoid
delusions between yourself and your therapist. Any comments, Blaz?
[snip] more paranoid delusions."
-----------
Such repeated systematic harassment, Hate-speach, gross insults and
personal aggressions should be banished from Google ao Public Forums
and be punished, in order to protect the victims of aggressions
(specially when they persist to threaten dissident political voices
with oppressive measures reportedly abused by Nazi-Brezniev-like
systems).. Otherwise, responsibilities become grave for objective
complicity.
AllTheTruth alerady explained that it will respond only to people who
respect an elementary deontology of Public Debate, and not to
systematically harassing, stupidly provocative, sterile and negative
aggressors, (who violate rules of Public Debates so much that they
become suspects of dirty complicities to deadly crimes).
Because of the victims, and what is at stake in the society at large,
we make here only a partial exception :
---------
<<You seem to think that if a building is attacked, and people die, it
is somehow everyone else's fault
except the attackers. >>
---------
Nonsense. Many AllTheTruth's friends think highly probable that in
fact, there was NOT ONLY ONE, BUT MANY ATTACKS, and various groups
added as total or partial accomplices, manipulated by the main deadly
criminals.. If you read, instead of insulting, you'd find that
Questions raised by AllTheTruth's Friends, repeated for US Congress'
1st Public Hearing on 9/11-WTC, include alleged "hijacking" of
Airplanes, their flight and crash, WTC's strange, deadly implosions,
Pentagon, closed doors/Emergency Rescue, BOL's disappearance, etc.,
and many other issues, seriously and honestly trying to help all those
who want to find the whole truth about 9/11 Barbarities, according to
its long-standing, official aim.
- Who is this "else's fault" that you are, ostensibly and
fanatically/systematically but clumsily, attempting to cover-up ?
- What proof do you have that it was "only" (deadly) "faults", and
not a partial complicity to deadly crimes, which might lead to the
main and real mass killers ?
If somebody discovers f.i. that BOL accomplices, or any other
criminal, sabotaged WTC and/or even Pentagon, slyly "trapped" simple,
innocent people inside, Obstructed Investigations (by destroying
proof, delaying Enquiries, aggressing investigative Websites and
people honestly striving to find out what really happened, etc), who
will bear the grave responsibility for obstructing investigations so
long ?
=> Stop covering up deadly criminals, who demonstrated in real
practice blatant contempt for human lives !
----------------
"Wanting to know the facts is one thing,
but to suggest that people died in a doomed building because doors
were locked, or because the city (which was in chaos at the time)
didn't immediately send every helicopter (...) is an insult ...
paranoid delusions !"
---------------
Just see (among many others) Mike Barkley's website on WTC "closed
doors", with many testimonies from witnesses, people trapped inside
and their families.
And go say that to .. New York Times, USA Today, AP, and other
mainstream media, who followed, some days later, AllTheTruth's recent
Publications, confirming them and even proving that facts were much
more grave than we initially thought : Not many, but most, nearly all
of the people who were killed, seem to have been "trapped" (and/or
"ordered"+"hijacked") victims.
AllTheTruth focuses on facts :
- Why, you claim that WTC Doors were not "Locked", by deadly
over"Security" ?
- You contest the unique fact that there wasn't any Helicopter Rescue
on upper floors (not even Water-bringing on lower floors to help fight
the fire/heat), not even one ?
---------
"didn't send immediately .. hElicopters", ... "at a moment's notice
to perform such rescues"
'-----
NYT and USA Today, immediately following AllTheTruth's recent
publications, revealed that there were probably some 2.000 Human
Beings "trapped" on upper floors of WTC, vainly "waiting for rescue"
which never came, while strange, deadly Implosions delayed during 1
or 2 HOURS-long !
Claim that it was only "immediately", and "AT A MOMENT's NOTICE", is a
blatant, suspect and disgracious LIE !!!
(Moreover, NEAR WTC were at least 3 Heliports, plus various private
helico points, ready to be used in a few minutes)
AllTheTruth will no more waste precious time from much needed 9/11
independent investigations to respond to such obvious, gross lies !
---------------
Georgy : " This ... promotes the terrorists' agenda"
----------------
We agree entirely with this point : Indeed, "Georgy" YOU proved to be
the most efficient "promoter of terrorists", by the following facts :
1) systematic aggressions and threats against people trying to find
the whole truth on 9/11 deadly barbarities
2) curiously avoids and/or disrupts any serious, in depth public
debate focused on facts and arguments
3) abuses of fanatic hate-speach, gross insults, harassment, attempts
to intimidate (for months) and threats, betraying a crook/thug-like
syndrom, typical only of dangerous, dirty accomplices of deadly
criminals who have something to hide from the people.
On the contrary, AllTheTruth and Maltes' Friends are (for more than 8
months : since end October 2001) a real life TEST for American,
European and International Community's ability to have a real
Democratic and Serious Public Debate in searching to find, in a
crystal-clear and convincing manner, the whole Truth on all 9/11
deadly Barbarities.
--------------------
"the real cause of death was ... "
(follow just 2 lines !!,
and only with unsubstantiated Claims, without any fact or argument)
----------
Georgy, if you really claim that you already found all "real causes"
of 9/11 deadly barbarities, resumed in only 2 lines !,
then you'really a champion, worthy of Guiness book Records !
That means also, that you are accusing ASCE's honest conclusions on
the fact that, 9 months' later, we still don't know with certainty
what caused WTC's strange, deadly implosions. As you are accusing USA
Congress and even USA's President, to waste money by promissing to
start (even too few, too late) some investigations on 9/11, WTC
collapse, etc.
It obviously has the characteristic look of those crooks-murderers who
are too fast into covering up the grave of their victims, and eager to
claim, to whoever listens to them, that it wasn't at all their ..
"fault" !
Too Suspect : Georgy, are you sure not to have any relation at all to
those strange, "BOL" a.o. accomplicies, who were scandalously
exploiting in Stock Markets the deadly 9/11 crimes a few days BEFORE
and even during the moments they were committed, while "trapped",
"abandoned", "ordered" or "hijacked" innocent human beings were being
atriciously murdered ? Or to those who immediately took (and take
even more today) Political a.o. Profit even for the choice of the
precise Day (and hours) on which attacks were launched ?
What's really behind your strange (but constant and probed) attitude
to show such a contempt for Human Lives of innocent, simple people,
and Democratic Public Debates, while being so Afraid of those who
search the Truth on 9/11 Barbarities ?
------------------------------
Blaz
-------------
Thank you for the interesting and useful data.
Here are some preliminary observations on a few, selected points,
followed by some fresh News.
-----------------
".... policy against helicopter rescue was in place ..."
------------
It means that it was a blind, automatic, general policy responsibility
for the tragic WTC Emergency failure,
and not a simple "surprise" (WTC was rargetted in 1993 and even in
Hollywood films !), or "lack of time" (1-2 HOURS !), or alleged
"attempts without result" (how could they succeed if all doors to the
flat roof of scyscrapers are locked by deadly over"Securitry" ?)
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"Rescuers also could have had trouble if a crowd of workers turned
into a desperate mob, competing to get off the roof."
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It can never be an excuse for committing the crime to knowingly
abandon about 2.000 Human beings to atrocious, slow killings, 1 or 2
Hours-long, without saving even One ! If any victims' family sues, let
them explain that before the Public at a court !
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"When the Port Authority sat down with the fire department to discuss
improving fire safety at the trade center, however, the department
adamantly opposed making arrangements for helicopter rescues, says the
Port Authority's Mr. [Alan Reiss]. "I remember lots of anger" within
the fire department over the police-helicopter rescue, he says. "I
wasn't going to get in the middle of that," he adds. "The fire
department's wishes meshed with ..."
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Who said that on behalf of the "Fire Department" of NYC, and when ?
Was it Mr. Giuliani's ex-Commissioner von Essen, or a certain Mr.
Visconti, or whoever else, who took such a responsibility ? And Why ?
This looks as a very strange claim.
Moreover, AllTheTruth's Readers gave us another, different, and even
opposed account on Helicopter rescue debate during 9/11 : - Somebody
at NYC Fire Department send us a LETTER claiming that, on the
contrary, it was the responsibility of "NY POLICE Helicopter Pilots"
who claimed that "the roof areas were totally unuseable for helicopter
landings" (As he carefully added, surprisingly excluding the "Rope"
rescue method, without landing, that you mention for 1993, and is well
known internationally, during wars and various other incidents, as
many AllTheTruth readers, both at Google and elsewhere, reminded).
But the surprising fact is that, when AllTheTruth invited the person
who send that Letter to provide "any Fact or Argument proving that
Claim", (ie transcripts, testimonies, etc.)... he "disappeared" for
many days, without any response !
Who was really responsible in this curious, astonishing, sudden
PING-PONG game between various departments throwing the
responsibilities to others ?
Was it Kerik (Police) or Von Essen (Fire Dep) who opposed Helicopter
rescue, or both were obliged to do so, by ex Mayor's Giuliani's 1999
proclaimed "restrictions" limiting any Helicopter use at Manhattan ?
However, Emergency rescue at Higgh-Rise Buildings without ever using
Helicopters from abundant nearby Heliports for anything, appears as
irresponsible, deadly balderdash ! What is really hidden behind that ?
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"the Port Authority's desire to keep the roof locked
to prevent vandalism and suicides, he says."
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That confirms denunciations of victims' families and friends, a.o.,
about "locked doors".
On the pretexts/excuses : they sound too hollow :
1) "prevent vandalism" : No problem : Doors can be made to open only
from Inside. And/or Cameras a.o. surveillance systems could be put in
such a place, without any interference to personal life.
2) "prevent .. suicides" ! Ridiculous : All High-Rise buildings face
that (rare) eventuality, simply by putting strong, transparent fences
all around their top viewing sites. This also helps to protect
children, people with disabilities, etc. If that claim was true, then,
the Statute of Liberty at NY, or (even better) Eifel's Tower in Paris,
and other World-famous, outstanding buildings, would have been also
"closed" down !
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" No Escape: Could Helicopters Have Saved People From Trade Center?
---
(... ) Whether even a few of those lives could have been saved by a
roof rescue isn't clear. :
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Neither the opposite claim, that NOT EVEN ONE Human being (among some
2000 "trapped") couldn't have been saved, isn't clear, no more : Where
are the proofs ?
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" Climbing staircases rapidly filling with smoke could have been
tough. The plane's impact might have knocked stairway doors out of
alignment, making them impassible."
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Seems unproved Nonsense, contary to Facts : Witnesses' accounts
describe desperate phone calls by people who effectively went up,
towards the roof of WTC, but were stopped by closed doors.
Moreover, if real elementary Emergency safety (not only hypocritical,
deadly over"Security") had been respected, then, Windows and/or Doors
at the Top/Roof of the Buildings should leave open space for
evacuation of Smokes in case of Fires, precisely as a basic precaution
in order to avoid, by a good and efficient, Natural Ventilation, that
would evacuate smoke and bring in fresh air.
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" The intense smoke .... made landing a helicopter impossible. "
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- During ALL 1 or 2 Hours ?
- Even at other, lower floors ?
- "Landing" is not necessary for Helicopter rescue : Ropes, light
Metal "stairs", etc. are frequently used to save people in danger.
- Working against "Smoke" is a standard Test for FireFighters, with
special equipment and exercise available. Have you seen NY
"Smokehouse" ? Have at least a look at the website of a killed NY FF,
where he is photographed while getting out of the "SmokeHouse", with
his collegues.
+ WTC had many WINDOWS, and Helicopters are the only flying machine
which can Stand Still whild on air, so that people can be rescued even
through windows (instead of being abandoned and obliged to jump to
death). Why not even one wasn't saved ? (Not even at the other side of
the High-Rise buildings, not or less affected) ?
+++> All this responds NOTHING to the other Question raised by
AllTheTruth : - Why Helicopters were NOT at all used to help fight
the Fire, during 1 or 2 Hours, by throwing over, or bringing inside
WATER and/or FOAM (even at LOWER floors, easy to access, before Heat
allegedly softens Structural Steel, contributing to deadly collapse) ?
ASCE found that all Internal Fire-Suppression systems had been,
astonishingly, disabled 100%, and 500 FireFighters scandalously
abandoned to afce the Fire without anything, Not even Water : only
their bare hands ! Why not even try ANY Fire-Fighting Help from the
Outside ?
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"Police Choppers Hovered, But Roof Was Locked; Rescuers Feuded in Past
--- A Daring Mission in 1993 - Wall Street Journal; New York, N.Y.;
Oct 23, 2001; By Scot J. Paltrow and Queena Sook Kim. Abstract:
Dangerous as it sounds, this kind of airborne mission can succeed. In
1993, Mr. [Greg Semendinger] had helped rescue 28 people from the roof
of the same north tower. A terrorist bomb had exploded in the trade
center's basement garage, sending thick smoke up through the
stairwells. That time, a police chopper piloted by Mr. Semendinger had
lowered two men by rope to the roof. They cut down antennas to clear a
landing area from which the workers were airlifted to safety."
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BRAVO !, if it's true.
Blaz
Date: 2002-05-29 21:09:25 PST
"Did any one watch the HBO Special on May 28th ?"
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No, unfortunately we didn't have the time to be at TV screen at that
precise moment...
Is there any serious, useful, stable link or text ?
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"Wasn't there footage of a police helicopter trying to land on the
roof of Trade Center 1 but could not because of Heavy wiring and too
much smoke ?"
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Was it ?
- Only ONE (1) Helicopter attempt, .. during 1 or 2 HOURS long, for 2
WTC Towers, with Huge roofs and many floors plenty of thousands people
"trapped" over the hits ?
Is anybody kidding ?
Better avoid macabre humour...
"Wiring" was NOT the same on WTC 1 and WTC 2, because of the huge
Antenna, which existed only to WTC 1, that you mention, and NOT at WTC
2, which was antenna-free.
"Landing" on roof is NOT the only Helicopter Rescue method : There are
many OTHERS : See our observations above.
At any case, on any hollow pretexts/excuses about firefighting
allegedly afraid of .. "smoke" !, and/or eventually "wire cutting" (as
it had already succeeded back in 1993 at WTC), and many OTHER crucial
points, see our observations in reply to T. Gryn's interesting post,
posted at this Google's string.
GuitarMan
> Only Trapped and Abandoned, Ordered or "Hijacked" : No Free man was
> ever killed in 9/11 !?
>
Blaz, you're a complete idiot....
GuitarMan
> From: Bosshound (Boss...@sbcglobal.net <>)
> Date: 2002-05-29 21:09:25 PST
>
> "Did any one watch the HBO Special on May 28th ?"
> -----------------------
> No, unfortunately we didn't have the time to be at TV screen at that
> precise moment...
> Is there any serious, useful, stable link or text ?
same goes with your BS lies...
Is there any serious, useful, stable link or text ?
Real proof here blaz not just someone's rantings like your own....
let's see the proof....