The organ in that video (starting at about 5 minutes in) is the most usable I've heard on it, it sounds like that would be fine for lots of stuff. No overdrive in that demo, but maybe that's the key. ;-)
The organ in that video (starting at about 5 minutes in) is the most usable I've heard on it, it sounds like that would be fine for lots of stuff. No overdrive in that demo, but maybe that's the key. ?
I'm not saying it's top tier by any means, and that demo is hardly exhaustive, but at least I finally heard some usable stuff there. It's never going to be the board of choice for when organ is mission-critical. But at its price ($1k for the 61), I don't think it's going to be embarrassing itself in the company of the Numa Compact 2X, Roland VR-09B, and Kurzweil SP6-7 (the other "cover all the bases" boards in its price range that likewise do some semblance of clonewheel emulation). If you need something better and/or can afford to move up in price, they have the YC61. But I understand that your bar for usability may be higher than mine. As I mentioned elsewhere, I often use rompler sounds, so my bar is clearly lower. ;-)
Ah, yes, the "other" rotary effect. I was only thinking of Rotary A and Rotary B (whose equivalent on the YC61 have 13 tweakable parameters, but not on the CK). There's a third rotary effect in the "insert effect" section, that's the one you're talking about. That one is not switchable with the rotary fast/slow button, which only works with the Rotary A and B options in the Drive section, at least if it's implemented the way it is on the YC61. Officially, it is a "lesser" effect, I think there more for when you want to put the sounds of other things through a rotary, not organ. Though prior to Yamaha's implementation of the improved Leslie effect on the YC61, I remember Woody's video where he said he liked that one better than the two "real" Leslie effects in the board!
... ETA 2 split points for the internal sounds, instead of 1 (so each of the 3 sounds can have entirely different key ranges)
And here are some of the things the YC has that the CK does not:
... the better tonewheel organ emulation (instead of the one from the Reface)
... presumably the better rotary effect as well, and definitely a much more adjustable one
... more different piano models (C7, Nashville C3)
... way more different Rhodes models
... metal build
... internal power supply
... endless encoders with LEDs so controls indicate (and are immediately properly adjustable from) their current positions
... higher quality actions
... FM sound generation for the FM sounds, plus ability to create your own "FM organ" synth sounds
... a 73-key version
... balanced outs (on 73 and 88)
... full travel drawbars, with multi-manual LED indicators
... 4 amp simulations (in addition to rotary)
... generally more effects capability (i.e. a third insert effect that can be added to the main pair on the non-organ sounds)
I may not have every detail right there, and I'm sure I've missed things, but I think that's probably pretty close to a list of the major feature differences. Of course, there are also operational/design differences, it has a very different layout.
As a general performance board, there's a lot to like about the CK. The YC is definitely stronger for organ and Rhodes, and comes in a more premium package.
Interesting board! My thought is that this is the perfect board for something like a campus ministry that has to be very mobile, has limited funds, and basically wants good pianos with a decent action, good pads with filter control, and occasionally some EP's, organs, and various other sounds (usually a good string section). Front-panel EQ is a great bonus. I was considering picking up a Juno DS88 to donate to replace the old Casio CDP 220 that is currently in use at the ministry I volunteer at, but the CK88 seems like an even better option. Honestly it could fill a LOT of the general-purpose gigging board world - think singer-songwriters, solo performers, pop/rock original bands, basic cover bands. Interestingly enough I see it as intruding on the Nord Stage territory a smidge as well, more so than the YC/CP lines.
Interesting trade-off, if something's going to be put in a place where numerous people may be playing it. If someone wants to just turn it on, hit a button labeled with a sound, and be playing that sound, either can probably do that (though the CK has an advantage even there, because of the internal speakers). But the DS may be initially less intimidating, i.e. the Yamaha may "look" scarier with all those controls. But if some of the players want to take things a little further, like alter a sound, layer sounds, operate organ drawbars (which I would expect some church folk are going to know how to do), the CK will quickly have more appeal. I think it will be easier for a novice to tinker with. For anything that gets beyond the very simple, I think the Roland is going to require more background/experience with these things and/or will prompt more diving into a manual. For most people, if they want to go beyond the most basic pick-a-sound-and-play it, I think the CK will be more quickly rewarding, and fun. Which can also be a factor if there will be kids using it, too. Of course, then again, kids can figure anything out. ;-) But I still think the CK will give them more of the fun factor. "Look what happens when I turn this knob" is always more fun than figuring out how to do things from menus. It's also an approach that leads to more discovery/experimentation (whereas with menus, you first decide what you want to do, and then go about trying to figure out how to make it do it.)
FM Synthesis is capable of producing great organ tones. I remember processing my DX7 with a rotary speaker stomp box and got a great organ sound back in the day (Algorithm 32 works great)! The H Organ Types certainly sound amazing, but the 8-Operator F Organ Types are unique to the YC61 and afford a wider range of sound and artistic exploration. Each type focuses on a particular sound:
I am a big fan of Italian movies and the F3 Organ Type is the perfect sound. Based on the Italian transistor organ sound it has the ability to cut through a mix especially when used with the distortion in the SPEAKER/AMP section of the YC61:
The audio example below illustrates the different results of organ customization. Each example below uses the same setting with the first 3 drawbars pulled all the way down and the 4th drawbar set at 3 (888300000). The musical example is the same, but I made changes to leakage, key click, preamp drive and rotary speaker settings. Check it out:
On an organ, a "registration" is the set of pipes that one chooses to use for each keyboard. On the pipe organ, this is a form of "additive synthesis", where different sets of pipes sounds are combined to create a new sound. On this Yamaha, it mostly means the set of preset instruments; true additive synthesis is difficult to pull off as it requires separate oscillators for every note in every instrument. The registration also includes things like the volume of each instrument, as well as the rhythm machine, arpeggiator, and auto bass settings.
Registration also includes presets, knobs or buttons (the numbered 1-4 buttons, in this case) that cause a new registration to immediately be set. Theatre organ works are particularly famous for frequently changing instruments over the course of a single song, and presets are essential for that.
I've talked mostly about saving registrations, but that's Nicole's fault for not using this sophisticated instrument to the best of its capabilities. This organ has a built-in sequencer, designed to allow the user to record the chords for the lower manual in advance, so they can focus on playing the harmony. This is an involved process, so you'd probably want to save your work there.
As for the historical standpoint, there is something almost ironic about the FM Electones: FM synthesis, in the form of the much more popular DX7 and DX100 synths, played a big role in wiping out the organ from popular music. Digital synths could be made highly compact, and so would also wipe out the need for a living-room sized multi-keyboard behemoth to get a wide variety of instruments and rhythm machine capabilities. And so be warned, Electone ME-50: you carry the seeds of your own destruction.
This Yamaha EX-42 polyphonic analog synthesizer is one of the rarest, most complex, and most expensive analog synthesizers ever built. Yamaha's flagship synthesizer/organ precursor to the ultra rare GX-1, this beautiful instrument packs all the sonic possibilities of a polyphonic synthesizer and organ into one massive, unique instrument. When released in 1970, the EX-42 had a $32,000 price tag. That's $200,000 today when adjusted for inflation, making it the second most expensive synth (in today's dollars) that Yamaha ever made. It is rumored that less than 200 of these were built.
Magna Organ introduced in 1935,[7][8] was a multi-timbral keyboard instrument invented in 1934 by a Yamaha engineer, Sei-ichi Yamashita.It was a kind of electro-acoustic instrument, an acoustic instrument with additional electronic circuits for sound modification. The Magna Organ was an electric-fan driven free reed organ with the microphone sealed in a soundproof box, instead of the electrostatic pickups used on electrostatic reed organs.[note 1]Early designs of the Magna Organ were a kind of additive-synthesizer that summed-up the partials generated by the frequency-multipliers.[9][10] However, it was difficult to achieve polyphony without intermodulation distortions with the technology of the 1930s.[11] According to the additional patents[12][13] and the reviews at that time,[9] its later design as finally implemented, seems to have shifted to the sound-colorization system using the combinations of sets of free reeds, microphones and loudspeakers.[11]
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