Is dc.linux active yet? (or even real)
Dan Brown
> I saw a newgrp for dc.linux a week or two ago, but we don't
>appear to have received any articles. Is anybody honoring that new
>group message?
After some discussion with Dave Lawerence, ta...@uunet.uu.net, it has been
agreed that UUnet will carry a group for the DC area Linux users group with
the name of dc.org.linux-users. They, and I would guess, UMD, and others
haven't been carrying dc.linux so the couple of articles that have been
posted haven't propogated well. Since UUnet will carry dc.org.linux-users,
it should get decent propogation.
Look for a newgroup for dc.org.linux-users, and an rmgroup for dc.linux.
Sorry for the confusion. As I understand it, this linux group is really
intended to be used for DC specific topics... as in when the meetings are
being held, and so on, and really isn't for a general Linux discussion.
Dave Lawrence's concern with the name dc.linux was that it wasn't as
specific to that end as dc.org.linux-users is. After dicussion, I agree.
Hope this clears things up.
Washington politics at its finest.
Later.
Dan
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Ken Hornstein
>In an earlier posting bog...@rhombus.cs.jhu.edu (Bill Bogstad) writes:
>> I saw a newgrp for dc.linux a week or two ago, but we don't
>>appear to have received any articles. Is anybody honoring that new
>>group message?
>
>After some discussion with Dave Lawerence, ta...@uunet.uu.net, it has been
>agreed that UUnet will carry a group for the DC area Linux users group with
>the name of dc.org.linux-users. They, and I would guess, UMD, and others
>haven't been carrying dc.linux so the couple of articles that have been
>posted haven't propogated well. Since UUnet will carry dc.org.linux-users,
>it should get decent propogation.
>
>Look for a newgroup for dc.org.linux-users, and an rmgroup for dc.linux.
Ya know, it's sometimes good to put a bit of an explanation in your newgroup
message about the group. I rejected the newgroup for dc.org.linux-users
because I hadn't seen any discussion about it. If I had seen the above
explanation, I wouldn't have rejected it.
--Ken (who's going off to create dc.org.linux-users locally now ..)
this woul
Ken Firestone
: In an earlier posting bog...@rhombus.cs.jhu.edu (Bill Bogstad) writes:
: > I saw a newgrp for dc.linux a week or two ago, but we don't
: >appear to have received any articles. Is anybody honoring that new
: >group message?
: After some discussion with Dave Lawerence, ta...@uunet.uu.net, it has been
: agreed that UUnet will carry a group for the DC area Linux users group with
: the name of dc.org.linux-users. They, and I would guess, UMD, and others
: haven't been carrying dc.linux so the couple of articles that have been
: posted haven't propogated well. Since UUnet will carry dc.org.linux-users,
: it should get decent propogation.
: Look for a newgroup for dc.org.linux-users, and an rmgroup for dc.linux.
: Sorry for the confusion. As I understand it, this linux group is really
: intended to be used for DC specific topics... as in when the meetings are
: being held, and so on, and really isn't for a general Linux discussion.
WRONG, WRONG, WRONG! The original group was set up to discuss
technical and other matters concerning Linux. We already had a mail
list for meeting announcements etc. Some of us wanted a place to post
info, ask questions, etc without involving the entire planet. It also
has the advantage of being able to request info, and then perhaps find
someone local to actually talk to, work with. There was some
discussion, and then the group was started.
: Dave Lawrence's concern with the name dc.linux was that it wasn't as
: specific to that end as dc.org.linux-users is. After dicussion, I agree.
If Dave Lawrence's ego will be better served by his naming the group,
then so be it. But unless he decides to moderate it, I'm sure the
discussion will be much wider than just meeting announcements.
: Hope this clears things up.
I hope so too, so we can start using a group.
Now one last thing. There was some discussion about a mail gateway for
the dc.linux group for those amongst the Linux community who do not
have news access. What about this?
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Dan Brown
>Dan Brown (br...@eff.org) wrote:
>: Sorry for the confusion. As I understand it, this linux group is really
>: intended to be used for DC specific topics... as in when the meetings are
>: being held, and so on, and really isn't for a general Linux discussion.
>
>WRONG, WRONG, WRONG! The original group was set up to discuss
>technical and other matters concerning Linux. We already had a mail
Specifically, in the dc area, as I understand it.
>list for meeting announcements etc. Some of us wanted a place to post
...
Once its there, unless its moderated, I'm sure topics will meander
quite a bit. I've suggested this privately to Dave Lesher, but, will
also suggest it here... a Charter and or a FAQ list of some sort would
be a good idea. Posting it periodically might also be a good idea.
>: Dave Lawrence's concern with the name dc.linux was that it wasn't as
>: specific to that end as dc.org.linux-users is. After dicussion, I agree.
>
>If Dave Lawrence's ego will be better served by his naming the group,
...
I think the point to be made here is that, while this is a cooperative
anarchy, some sites are a bit 'more equal' than others, AND, since
it is a 'cooperative' of sorts, the newsgroup won't propogate if it isn't
accepted (for whatever reason), ESPECIALLY at the larger sites.
The group is now there. Please use it. If it isn't at your site,
bug your news admin. If it isn't coming in, have your news admin talk
to the newsadmin at the site(s) where you get news from.
Now, as a suggestion for future newsgroup creations, perhaps it would
be advisable to create some sort of naming suggestions and post these
regularly along with the list of groups that Pete has been posting.
Also, Perhaps a periodically posted 'checkgroups' message might be handy.
I will be glad to put this (the checkgroups message) together and have it
posted with some of the other regular stuff that I post.
Dan Brown
>In article <32tmio$h...@eff.org>, Dan Brown <br...@eff.org> wrote:
>>In an earlier posting bog...@rhombus.cs.jhu.edu (Bill Bogstad) writes:
>>After some discussion with Dave Lawerence, ta...@uunet.uu.net, it has been
...
>>Look for a newgroup for dc.org.linux-users, and an rmgroup for dc.linux.
>
>Ya know, it's sometimes good to put a bit of an explanation in your newgroup
>message about the group. I rejected the newgroup for dc.org.linux-users
>because I hadn't seen any discussion about it. If I had seen the above
>explanation, I wouldn't have rejected it.
its noted in the rmgroup that went out at approximately the same time
as the newgroup.
If you'd like, I (or most anyone else) can send a 'booster' for both
with an explanation.
>--Ken (who's going off to create dc.org.linux-users locally now ..)
thanks.
Pete Cottrell
>In an earlier posting ke...@clark.net (Ken Firestone) writes:
>>WRONG, WRONG, WRONG! The original group was set up to discuss
>>technical and other matters concerning Linux. We already had a mail
If this was the case, then many of us would argue against the group. The
dc hierarchy should be for items specific to DC, instead of being used as
a filter to lessen traffic already occurring elsewhere in more widely
distributed newsgroups with the same charter. Now, I have no doubt that
there will be discussion of some technical issues, but it wasn't set
up with that in mind.
>>: Dave Lawrence's concern with the name dc.linux was that it wasn't as
>>: specific to that end as dc.org.linux-users is. After dicussion, I agree.
>>
>>If Dave Lawrence's ego will be better served by his naming the group,
Let's not pin this on Dave's ego; there were others discussing it too,
and it seems to be a reasonable solution to those of us that are trying to
deal with larger namespace issues that transcend the specific nature of
this particular group (be it Linux, sailing, or whatever).
>The group is now there. Please use it. If it isn't at your site,
>bug your news admin.
cs.umd.edu is carrying and propagating this group now, so that should
help dissemination of it.
>Also, Perhaps a periodically posted 'checkgroups' message might be handy.
>I will be glad to put this (the checkgroups message) together and have it
>posted with some of the other regular stuff that I post.
Actually, the Groups and Descriptions part of the periodic posting I
make was sort of meant for this, although it isn't embedded in an actual
checkgroups control message. I've also made a point of not trying to
declare this as an official list, since I don't carry everything that
others might (although I think I list all of the mainstream groups)
and want to avoid facing comments about "Pete's ego"; a little editing
and injection to inews turns this into a checkgroups message, much like
the newsgroups lists that are posted to news.lists.
For the record, I've posted this list and traffic statistics to
dc.general and dc.config every 4th Tuesday since February 9th, 1994
(although I got mail last month from someone who's been around for
a while who said that he was seeing it for the first time; strange).
The next posting will occur this coming Tuesday (the 23rd).
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John Stanley
: The group is now there. Please use it. If it isn't at your site,
: bug your news admin. If it isn't coming in, have your news admin talk
: to the newsadmin at the site(s) where you get news from.
If it isn't at your site????????? If it wasn't, would he be reading
this?
Sorry for the flame-bait, but I'm just getting ticked that it's taken
so long for this thread to see some life.
John A. Martin
: Dan Brown (br...@eff.org) wrote:
Did you happen notice the groups to which Dan Brown's missive was cross
posted?
J.D. Falk
> Once its there, unless its moderated, I'm sure topics will meander
> quite a bit. I've suggested this privately to Dave Lesher, but, will
> also suggest it here... a Charter and or a FAQ list of some sort would
> be a good idea. Posting it periodically might also be a good idea.
Be sure and mention whether advertising will be allowed. If
off-topic advertising is not allowed, SAY SO, and forward that portion of
the Charter to anybody who tries it!
Ken Hornstein
>its noted in the rmgroup that went out at approximately the same time
>as the newgroup.
Hmm, I didn't see it. Wait, of course that makes sense; since I rejected the
newgroup for dc.linux, the rmgroup message would have done nothing, and the
news software I run here doesn't send me mail for control messages that don't
change the news configuration.
>If you'd like, I (or most anyone else) can send a 'booster' for both
>with an explanation.
It might be a good idea.
--Ken
Michael Faurot
: I hope so too, so we can start using a group.
FYI, it does appear to be making it through netcom (from whom I get my
main services from).
: Now one last thing. There was some discussion about a mail gateway for
: the dc.linux group for those amongst the Linux community who do not
: have news access. What about this?
I'm not currently a member of the user's group, but intend to get out
there for the next meeting. I would be willing to gateway the group
to mail.
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Kurt Reisler
Michael Faurot <mfa...@phzzzt.atww.org> wrote:
>
>I'm not currently a member of the user's group, but intend to get out
>there for the next meeting. I would be willing to gateway the group
>to mail.
>
When and where would this "next meeting" take place? Myself and a few
others would like to be there as well.
Thanks in advance.
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Dan Brown
>>The group is now there. Please use it. If it isn't at your site,
>>bug your news admin.
>
>cs.umd.edu is carrying and propagating this group now, so that should
>help dissemination of it.
good to hear it.
>>Also, Perhaps a periodically posted 'checkgroups' message might be handy.
>>I will be glad to put this (the checkgroups message) together and have it
>>posted with some of the other regular stuff that I post.
>
>Actually, the Groups and Descriptions part of the periodic posting I
>make was sort of meant for this, although it isn't embedded in an actual
>checkgroups control message. I've also made a point of not trying to
I was, if I did actually create a real checkgroups message, going
to heavily borrow from this post. Its good, and very helpful. I for one,
wouldn't mind seeing it (or something very similar) as a cmsg.
Dan Brown
>Dan Brown (br...@eff.org) wrote:
>
>: The group is now there. Please use it. If it isn't at your site,
>: bug your news admin. If it isn't coming in, have your news admin talk
>: to the newsadmin at the site(s) where you get news from.
>
>If it isn't at your site????????? If it wasn't, would he be reading
>this?
depends on what group you are reading. Look at the headers. This
is in dc.config, dc.linux (a now invalid group) and dc.org.linux-users.