The confusion of multithreaded rendering

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guodong chen

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Sep 28, 2022, 12:48:33 PM9/28/22
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My program will render in 2 threads,

1. Can Dawn's single Queue submit buffers from multiple threads?

2. If different threads create different devices, can resources be shared across different devices?

Corentin Wallez

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Sep 28, 2022, 12:50:00 PM9/28/22
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1) If you externally synchronize access access to the rest of the Dawn resources yes. But in general no. Dawn hasn't been made to work well when used multithreaded yet.

2) no.

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Dominic Cerisano

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Sep 28, 2022, 12:55:19 PM9/28/22
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This topic came up when discussing distributed render/compute multiqueues a couple of years ago.

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guodong chen

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Sep 28, 2022, 12:58:57 PM9/28/22
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If I wanted to use an Offscreen Canvas style, could Dawn draw the texture in the A thread and then use it in the B thread?

Corentin Wallez

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Sep 28, 2022, 1:00:25 PM9/28/22
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Not at the moment. Dawn is very much single threaded for now. The only thing that's safe multithreaded is command recording. We expect to improve this in the future but it hasn't been necessary for the Web part of WebGPU so it hasn't been the priority.

guodong chen

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Sep 28, 2022, 1:05:40 PM9/28/22
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I checked Dawn's interfaces. Which interfaces are used for recording?

Austin Eng

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Sep 28, 2022, 1:48:12 PM9/28/22
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wgpu::CommandEncoder, wgpu::RenderPassEncoder, wgpu::ComputePassEncoder, wgpu::RenderBundleEncoder are the recording interfaces.

The only thing safe to do multithreaded is after making a command encoder, record certain types of commands on it on another thread, and then call CommandEncoder::Finish() to get a wgpu::CommandBuffer. You need to synchronize access to the queue if you want to submit the wgpu::CommandBuffer on the main thread.

Types of commands you should not record multithreaded:
 - Indirect draw commands - that will not be thread-safe since internally it allocates extra buffers.
 



guodong chen

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Sep 28, 2022, 10:41:57 PM9/28/22
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If different devices cannot share resources, is it safe for a device to allocate resources including the Buffer Texture pipeline in different threads?

Corentin Wallez

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Sep 29, 2022, 8:53:05 AM9/29/22
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Only command encoding is safe, resource creation with buffer/texture/bindgroups etc isn't (unless you manually lock the device), nor is queue submit etc.

guodong chen

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Sep 30, 2022, 9:18:05 AM9/30/22
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It feels like Dawn has been around for a long time, is it stable enough to be used in commercial projects
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