Heyei Im Pifiyot

[Mark Symons]

The tefilla in RH & YK Musaf: "Heyei Im pifiyot sh'luchei am'cha beit

yisrael", that precedes the "core" of the repetition of the Amida, is a

prayer that the shlichei tzibur be successful in their missions. It seems

to me that it would be much more appropriate to be recited by the kahal

than by the chazan. The references to the shlichei tzibur being in the 3rd

person would seem to support this. It is complementary to Hinneni He'ani in

which the chazan refers to himself in the first person and the kahal in the

3rd person, as well as to Ochila La'El which immediately follows it. I

wonder if there are any traditions where the  kahal does recite it or

something similar rather than the chazan.

Mark Symons

[Giorgies E. Kepipesiom]

I never understood this prayer. What is meant by horeim ma sheyomeiru, or yad'eim heich y'foeiru? What Divine assistance do they need in these tasks? They are after all not composing their own prayers; they are reciting a prepared text from the Machzor. What Divine instruction do they need, beyond reading the words properly as written?

GEK

[Jeremy Rosenbaum Simon]

Likely dates to the day before publishing or even widespread manuscripts. Thus, it was easy for them to miss speak, and, as in the Mishnah in brachos, misspeaking would be taking to be rather bad.

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[Zev Sero]

On 08/05/2015 03:45 PM, Giorgies E. Kepipesiom wrote:
> I never understood this prayer. What is meant by horeim ma
> sheyomeiru, or yad'eim heich y'foeiru? What Divine assistance do they
> need in these tasks? They are after all not composing their own
> prayers; they are reciting a prepared text from the Machzor. What
> Divine instruction do they need, beyond reading the words properly as
> written?

It obviously dates from when chazanim were expected to compose their own
tefilos. In other words, before printing froze the machzor.

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[Giorgies E. Kepipesiom]

On Wednesday, August 5, 2015 at 4:15:16 PM UTC-4, Zev Sero wrote:

On 08/05/2015 03:45 PM, Giorgies E. Kepipesiom wrote:
> I never understood this prayer. What is meant by horeim ma
> sheyomeiru, or yad'eim heich y'foeiru? What Divine assistance do they
> need in these tasks? They are after all not composing their own
> prayers; they are reciting a prepared text from the Machzor. What
> Divine instruction do they need, beyond reading the words properly as
> written?

It obviously dates from when chazanim  were expected to compose their own
tefilos.   In other words, before printing froze the machzor.

If this be so, how did this prayer become uniform in (nearly) all machzorim? Who composed it? Most of the payutim are from the Kalirian era. Where are all the t'filos composed by the individual chazonim recorded?

GEK 

[Zev Sero]

On 08/06/2015 10:04 AM, Giorgies E. Kepipesiom wrote:
> If this be so, how did this prayer become uniform in (nearly) all
> machzorim? Who composed it?

Who composed Hineni? Who composed any of the tefilos? Some chazan
did, and a printer picked it up, and other printers copied it.

> Most of the payutim are from the Kalirian era.

No, they're not. Most of the ones in the RH/YK machzor seem to be
medieval.

> Where are all the t'filos composed by the individual chazonim
> recorded?

The few that made it into the printed machzorim became popular,
and once printing started people expected chazanim to stick to
the ones in the machzor so they stopped making up new ones.