Vidduy/Middot Placement in Selichot/Tachanun

[Mark Symons]

In Selichot, the Vidduy follows the (many) recitations of the 13 Midot - which makes intuitive sense (ie we first establish/acknowledge that Gd is merciful and forgiving sin, therefore it is appropriate to confess our sins to Him, which we then proceed to do).

Whereas in the daily Tachanun, in the Nusach that includes Vidduy and the 13 Middot, the order is reversed, with the Vidduy preceding the 13 Middot. Why?

Ketiva VaChatima to all

Mark S

[Mark Symons]

... Sorry - I left out Tovah (or should it be be Tovot?) after Ketiva VaChatima!
MSS

[Mark Symons]

I also put the question on the facebook group "Seek and You Shall Find" and received an answer: In Sephardi Selichot, Viduy also precedes the Midot - "we can front up as we are - exposing all our flaws- and Hashem's love for us is unfailing"

MSS

[Giorgies E. Kepipesiom]

On Wednesday, September 9, 2015 at 2:31:08 AM UTC-4, Mark wrote:

I also put the question on the facebook group "Seek and You Shall Find" and received an answer: In Sephardi Selichot, Viduy also precedes the Midot - "we can front up as we are - exposing all our flaws- and Hashem's love for us is unfailing"

 "Seek and You Shall Find" is a quote from the Christian New Testicle. Why is such an abomination being used as the title of a Jewish blog?

GEK

[AMK Judaica]

gek,
 
similar phrase appears a few times in tanach
and is the title of a marvin gaye song

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Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2015 09:14:10 -0700
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[Zev Sero]

On 09/09/2015 12:14 PM, Giorgies E. Kepipesiom wrote:
>
> "Seek and You Shall Find" is a quote from the Christian New Testicle.
> Why is such an abomination being used as the title of a Jewish blog?

It's close enough to both "dirshu Hashem behimotz'o" and "yaga`to
umotzoso".

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Zev Sero I have a right to stand on my own defence, if you
z...@sero.name intend to commit felony...if a robber meets me in
the street and commands me to surrender my purse,
I have a right to kill him without asking questions
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[Zev Sero]

On 09/09/2015 12:14 PM, Giorgies E. Kepipesiom wrote:
>

> "Seek and You Shall Find" is a quote from the Christian New Testicle.
> Why is such an abomination being used as the title of a Jewish blog?

It's close enough to both "dirshu Hashem behimotz'o" and "yoga`to