Open Question: What can the government do to move Open Data in the right direction?

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David Hamilton

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Nov 13, 2015, 3:05:02 PM11/13/15
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Hello,

I'm writing an article for a major Canadian tech publication and I want to get some input from Toronto's great Open Data community...

Given that the country has new leadership in Ottawa, I was thinking that it might be a good time to assess the current state of government Open Data policies, and see what the federal government (and other governments) could do to push Open Data in the right direction.

I'm waiting on hearing back from the Treasury Board of Canada on an official statement from the government on their Open Data priorities (which should be interesting), and there was also the government report from last year on what it should do. But I want to know what the Open Data community and particular stakeholders think the government should and can do to move Open Data in the right direction and help it drive change.

So, what's on YOUR Open Data wishlist?

Thanks!

David Hamilton

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Jeremy Albisser

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Nov 13, 2015, 5:03:21 PM11/13/15
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Brian Sutherland

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Nov 13, 2015, 6:02:25 PM11/13/15
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Hi,

Most of the federal datasets in the open data store around healthcare are very ancient.  

All the new ones at https://www.cihi.ca/en are not deliberately labelled Open Data, although the leadership I spoke to at the eHealth conference indicated they are not interested in prosecuting anyone who republishes them accurately with attribution.   That strikes me as an example of extremely low hanging fruit -- research grade healthcare data from a government organization with a central mandate to package it for sharing with research.  No significant problems with other uses, except no one goes on record to say 'label it open data' and put it on the portal.

Try looking for a list of all the hospitals in Canada.

My thoughts, anyhow.


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David Hamilton

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Nov 13, 2015, 6:33:15 PM11/13/15
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Thanks for all the responses. 

The healthcare data example is really useful. I'd kind of understand why limited time, budget, etc. would mean datasets are be outdated or poorly formatted, but it's definitely peculiar that they don't label it Open Data despite having no intention to prosecute users.

I have a sense that this is just one of many government Open Data frustrations that don't necessarily show up in government literature.

Thanks!

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Jeremy Albisser

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Nov 13, 2015, 6:34:23 PM11/13/15
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Like most of our federal data-sets.  Try finding a national suicide rate after 2011 (or many, many previously internationally reported indicators); never mind finding any of the newer, useful, mental health monitoring indicators.

Jeremy
PS What do you mean 'try'?
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The real difficulty was/is distributing resources across sites and not violating Canada Post's copyright (add that to the list please) when geo-coding.

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David Hamilton

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Nov 13, 2015, 6:43:46 PM11/13/15
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Thanks Jeremy - It'd probably help out a lot of mapping initiates if Canada Post would relinquish its copyright on postal codes.

Stewart C. Russell

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Nov 14, 2015, 1:45:16 PM11/14/15
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On 2015-11-13 03:05 PM, David Hamilton wrote:
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> *So, what's on YOUR Open Data wishlist?*

Just One Government Open Data Licence, please.

The current situation makes it impossible for you to use many municipal
data sets with federal or provincial data sets. For instance, you can't
mix Ottawa data (which has a claw-back clause: if the city doesn't like
your use of data, they can compel you to remove it) with Federal data
and publish it.

A little leadership from the top would avoid the need to drop a few
hundred on an IP lawyer's advice every time you needed to use a new
‘open’ data set.

cheers,
Stewart


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