ROM Chip Reader

[Michael Cudmore]

Hi Guys,

I have a HDD with a corrupted ROM. Such that I can't use the drives PCB and my PC-3000 to download it and repair it.

I was wondering if anyone has had any success with Stand alone Chip off ROM readers that will work with the HDD Rom chips.

I have seen a few on ebay and my colleague has one that he uses on Mainboard BIOS chips. However I need to find one that will work with the HDD Rom's.

If you know what works, let us know below.

Michael

[DRA]

Are you talking about the type with 8 legs?

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[Michael Cudmore]

Yup, Just the little 8 legged jobs.

On Wednesday, 18 February 2015 18:14:55 UTC+10, James wrote:

Are you talking about the type with 8 legs?

 

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Subject: ROM Chip Reader

 

Hi Guys,

 

I have a HDD with a corrupted ROM. Such that I can't use the drives PCB and my PC-3000 to download it and repair it.

I was wondering if anyone has had any success with Stand alone Chip off ROM readers that will work with the HDD Rom chips.

 

I have seen a few on ebay and my colleague has one that he uses on Mainboard BIOS chips. However I need to find one that will work with the HDD Rom's.

 

If you know what works, let us know below.

 

 

Michael

 

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[DRA]

Should be able to pick up a USB universal programmer on ebay that will do the job. They often come with the ZIF socket also.

 

Out of interest what makes you think the ROM is corrupt?

[Tim Homer - Desert Data Recovery]

Hi Guys

 

ROM Reader:

I currently use the Revelprog IS reader http://www.reveltronics.com/en/products/revelprog-is-serial-memory-programmer-usb. It does most chips apart from the new Cason chips. I now make a habit of downloading the ROM information from failed boards. I like the security of having a backup of the data if the ROM chips gets overheated when doing a chip swap.

 

Wiping Drives:

I use a $99 program. It’s by Prosoft Engineering and is called Media Tools Wipe http://www.prosofteng.com/products/mediatools-wipe.php. You can wipe as many drives as your system will allow and they are wiped simultaneously. It also has the option for a full DoD wipe and issues certificates if needed. I usually put 6 drives at a time. 1TB takes a 2-3 hours to wipe (without DoD). I put the drives on when I leave the office, come back next day and have 6 fresh drives waiting for me.

 

Hope that helps.

 

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[Michael Cudmore]

@James

I know the ROM is corrupt or dead because I can test the PCB with another ROM and it works. It also doesn't exhibit the same behaviour as a dead ROM on that PCB of which I am familiar with.

I wanted to salvage some of the adaptive data from the modules on the ROM if possible and build a new ROM.

Thanks for the recommendation on the readers guys.  

[Alandata Recovery]

I use the gq rom reader

http://www.amazon.com/GQ-4X-Universal-EPROM-programmer-full/dp/B009N9HHL4

whats the drive modeL wd seagate?

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[Joe]

Is there anyone in the NYC area with a standalone ROM reader who can help me recover a ROM chip?

Thanks in advance.

On Friday, March 20, 2015 at 12:12:31 AM UTC-4, Alandata Recovery wrote:

I use the gq rom reader

http://www.amazon.com/GQ-4X-Universal-EPROM-programmer-full/dp/B009N9HHL4

whats the drive modeL wd seagate?

On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 8:12 PM, Michael Cudmore <cudmore...@gmail.com> wrote:

@James

I know the ROM is corrupt or dead because I can test the PCB with another ROM and it works. It also doesn't exhibit the same behaviour as a dead ROM on that PCB of which I am familiar with.

I wanted to salvage some of the adaptive data from the modules on the ROM if possible and build a new ROM.

Thanks for the recommendation on the readers guys.  

On Wednesday, 18 February 2015 11:08:06 UTC+10, Michael Cudmore wrote:

Hi Guys,

I have a HDD with a corrupted ROM. Such that I can't use the drives PCB and my PC-3000 to download it and repair it.

I was wondering if anyone has had any success with Stand alone Chip off ROM readers that will work with the HDD Rom chips.

I have seen a few on ebay and my colleague has one that he uses on Mainboard BIOS chips. However I need to find one that will work with the HDD Rom's.

If you know what works, let us know below.

Michael

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[Frank Meincke]

Hello Michael,

If it is a WD Hard Drive, there is a routine built-in that will reconstruct ROM from the SA modules.  It is pretty slick, I just did a recovery of a drive with a dead PCB and no external ROM Chip.  Placed donor on the drive and worked through the problem.

Let me know if you need help.

Frank 

[Michael Cudmore]

Hi Frank,

Thanks for the response, I have learnt quite a bit in the last 12 months. I think this thread got bumped in the last day or so. I have had a resolution to the issue.

I'm all over such things now...except infernal Seagate drives with faulty heads, even with the new donor matching guide and head adaptives being imported from the donor to the patient drive is still am not having joy.....

Maybe I'll start another thread for that.

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[Frank Meincke]

Hello Michael,
Yes, Seagates are a pain.  I had the same situation, perfect donor, no scratches on platter and as you said No Joy!
 

Frank

[Todd Shipley]

Frank,

I have the same issue with  WD , how did you get it to work?

Thanks in advance,

Todd

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[Michael Cudmore]

Hi Todd,

Are you averaging the MicroJogs between Module 47 on the ROM's?

Also, how close are you matching the Drives?

There is an excellent donor drive matching guide here.

http://www.donordrives.com/hard-drive-pcb-donor-match

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[Frank Meincke]

Hello Todd,

I just uploaded a video to https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIqPbXJaBL1jEmhZUT0yEYQ which shows how to rebuild a ROM with the PC-3000.

This should get you started!

Frank

[YB]

Hello all, 

I have a 500GB WD Passport drive which had all heads ripped off. (Thankfully they were all stuck on cover so I didn't have to go looking and scratching for it) The board on it was a 771675 and according to ACE the compatible SATA board is 771672. So I soldered the ROM chip as I always do. (I get a lot of these passport drives) and the SATA board wouldn't even spin up the drive after that. When I replaced the original ROM chip on the SATA board it was still dead. it would just show BSY without even trying to spin up. I tried with more SATA boards, I must have killed about 6 boards by now. I'm starting to get convinced that there's something wrong with the ROM chip.

1) I'm not sure what I did wrong. lI went through the same procedure as with all the others I've had. Perhaps ACE made a mistake with the compatibility chart and the first SATA board killed the ROM? What else could've killed it? Yes, the obvious answer is the heat from soldering. But I've done plenty of these before and never had this problem.

2) I wouldn't think that a faulty ROM chip can kill a PCB entirely. Has anyone else had this issue?

I think my only option at this point would be to rebuild the ROM on a new board from SA with the donor heads, IF it will work. But I still have the concern that perhaps this isn't a compatible SATA board.

I don't have a standalone ROM reader in order to try and see if it reads.

Anyway, I'm just curious the see your comments on this.

Best Regards,

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[Tim Homer - Desert Data Recovery]

AFAICS there is no 771672 on the Ace Labs list?

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[Joe]

Here it is:  http://ts.acelaboratory.com/index.php?/Knowledgebase/Article/View/33/0/list-of-compatible-sata-pcb-for-25-usb-drives

On Thursday, March 17, 2016 at 6:28:37 PM UTC-4, Tim wrote:

AFAICS there is no 771672 on the Ace Labs list?

 

 

From: datarecovery...@googlegroups.com [mailto:datarecoverycertificati...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of YB
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2016 3:21 PM
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Subject: Re: ROM Chip Reader

 

Hello all, 

 

I have a 500GB WD Passport drive which had all heads ripped off. (Thankfully they were all stuck on cover so I didn't have to go looking and scratching for it) The board on it was a 771675 and according to ACE the compatible SATA board is 771672. So I soldered the ROM chip as I always do. (I get a lot of these passport drives) and the SATA board wouldn't even spin up the drive after that. When I replaced the original ROM chip on the SATA board it was still dead. it would just show BSY without even trying to spin up. I tried with more SATA boards, I must have killed about 6 boards by now. I'm starting to get convinced that there's something wrong with the ROM chip.

 

1) I'm not sure what I did wrong. lI went through the same procedure as with all the others I've had. Perhaps ACE made a mistake with the compatibility chart and the first SATA board killed the ROM? What else could've killed it? Yes, the obvious answer is the heat from soldering. But I've done plenty of these before and never had this problem.

 

2) I wouldn't think that a faulty ROM chip can kill a PCB entirely. Has anyone else had this issue?

 

I think my only option at this point would be to rebuild the ROM on a new board from SA with the donor heads, IF it will work. But I still have the concern that perhaps this isn't a compatible SATA board.

 

I don't have a standalone ROM reader in order to try and see if it reads.

 

Anyway, I'm just curious the see your comments on this.

 

Best Regards,

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 9:01 AM, Frank Meincke <frank....@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello Todd,

I just uploaded a video to https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIqPbXJaBL1jEmhZUT0yEYQ which shows how to rebuild a ROM with the PC-3000.

 

This should get you started!

Frank

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[Tim Homer - Desert Data Recovery]

Looks like it’s been updated since I last saw it J

 

Have you tried to put the patient ROM on a board, isolate the board with a piece of card and read the ROM with PC-3000? Board should come RDY after a while and can be accessed in Kernel mode.

 

 

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Here it is:  http://ts.acelaboratory.com/index.php?/Knowledgebase/Article/View/33/0/list-of-compatible-sata-pcb-for-25-usb-drives

On Thursday, March 17, 2016 at 6:28:37 PM UTC-4, Tim wrote:

AFAICS there is no 771672 on the Ace Labs list?

 

 

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Hello all, 

 

I have a 500GB WD Passport drive which had all heads ripped off. (Thankfully they were all stuck on cover so I didn't have to go looking and scratching for it) The board on it was a 771675 and according to ACE the compatible SATA board is 771672. So I soldered the ROM chip as I always do. (I get a lot of these passport drives) and the SATA board wouldn't even spin up the drive after that. When I replaced the original ROM chip on the SATA board it was still dead. it would just show BSY without even trying to spin up. I tried with more SATA boards, I must have killed about 6 boards by now. I'm starting to get convinced that there's something wrong with the ROM chip.

 

1) I'm not sure what I did wrong. lI went through the same procedure as with all the others I've had. Perhaps ACE made a mistake with the compatibility chart and the first SATA board killed the ROM? What else could've killed it? Yes, the obvious answer is the heat from soldering. But I've done plenty of these before and never had this problem.

 

2) I wouldn't think that a faulty ROM chip can kill a PCB entirely. Has anyone else had this issue?

 

I think my only option at this point would be to rebuild the ROM on a new board from SA with the donor heads, IF it will work. But I still have the concern that perhaps this isn't a compatible SATA board.

 

I don't have a standalone ROM reader in order to try and see if it reads.

 

Anyway, I'm just curious the see your comments on this.

 

Best Regards,

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 9:01 AM, Frank Meincke <frank....@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello Todd,

I just uploaded a video to https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIqPbXJaBL1jEmhZUT0yEYQ which shows how to rebuild a ROM with the PC-3000.

 

This should get you started!

Frank

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[Joe]

Oh I see what you mean, it was a typo. The patient is 701675 and not 77.

On Thursday, March 17, 2016 at 6:28:37 PM UTC-4, Tim wrote:

AFAICS there is no 771672 on the Ace Labs list?

 

 

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Subject: Re: ROM Chip Reader

 

Hello all, 

 

I have a 500GB WD Passport drive which had all heads ripped off. (Thankfully they were all stuck on cover so I didn't have to go looking and scratching for it) The board on it was a 771675 and according to ACE the compatible SATA board is 771672. So I soldered the ROM chip as I always do. (I get a lot of these passport drives) and the SATA board wouldn't even spin up the drive after that. When I replaced the original ROM chip on the SATA board it was still dead. it would just show BSY without even trying to spin up. I tried with more SATA boards, I must have killed about 6 boards by now. I'm starting to get convinced that there's something wrong with the ROM chip.

 

1) I'm not sure what I did wrong. lI went through the same procedure as with all the others I've had. Perhaps ACE made a mistake with the compatibility chart and the first SATA board killed the ROM? What else could've killed it? Yes, the obvious answer is the heat from soldering. But I've done plenty of these before and never had this problem.

 

2) I wouldn't think that a faulty ROM chip can kill a PCB entirely. Has anyone else had this issue?

 

I think my only option at this point would be to rebuild the ROM on a new board from SA with the donor heads, IF it will work. But I still have the concern that perhaps this isn't a compatible SATA board.

 

I don't have a standalone ROM reader in order to try and see if it reads.

 

Anyway, I'm just curious the see your comments on this.

 

Best Regards,

On Tue, Feb 9, 2016 at 9:01 AM, Frank Meincke <frank....@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello Todd,

I just uploaded a video to https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIqPbXJaBL1jEmhZUT0yEYQ which shows how to rebuild a ROM with the PC-3000.

 

This should get you started!

Frank

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[Joe]

That's exactly what I tried.

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[Joe]

Maybe I'll have a chat with them tomorrow and see if the chart is wrong.  Regardless of that, does it make sense that a faulty ROM chip should kill a PCB?

[Dallas Broadway]

Yes, it doesn't matter what the component is, if its bad its bad. Sometimes they kill other components and sometimes they don't. If you are sure that the pin out is correct and that the solder job is good(just mean the connections are good) then I'd say the ROM has gone on a killing spree and you are helping it get from town to town. :) Either way, just slap a compatible SATA board on the drive and use a loader to gain access to the modules and rebuild it from there as others have mentioned in this thread. Just change the the head map to match(if it doesnt already) then edit the SA region in ROM to keep it from trying to come ready. The loader should work with no problems after that.

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[Joe]

Love your metaphor :-D  

At this point I'm questioning whether the boards are really compatible. I'll try to have a chat with ACE tomorrow.

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[Michael Cudmore]

Err guys, why do you bother soldering the ROM, if you have a PC-3000, just use the Boot ROM (COM Port) option and backup the ROM using the serial port. It saves risking damaging donor PCB's.

I used to solder ROMS's all the time but I ended up killing too many boards. Since I have started using the serial port to flash them I've gotten fatter and more lazy but I don't kill PCB's any more and It's far quicker and more effective.

I've got a little tub of all the SATA donor boards and I just flash the one i need for the job, do the job, then put the original back on and keep my healthy PCB ready to be flashed for another drive.

[Joe]

When dealing with USB drives you can only backup the ROM info IF the drive comes ready in windows. I do that whenever possible but in this case case it didn't work.

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[Michael Cudmore]

Err you don't need it to become ready, Boot ROM via Com doesn't need it. Have you tried? 

I could flash a 256kb JPG of a naked woman onto the Rom and still flash it back whatever I wanted using the Boot ROM via Com port on the PC-3K

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[Michael Johnson]

Yeah, you don't really even need the PCB to be screwed onto/connected to the drive to use the COM port.

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[Dallas Broadway]

Oh so what. We all get it. But if the guy wants to solder then let him solder. Not that I disagree with you or anything, but no need in bashing people for soldering. Soldering stuff is cool and fun. And it doesn't take long to get good enough to solder bubble gum to a car bumper. I haven't killed a board with hot air or a solder station since my first year of doing data recovery, and that was 18 years ago. If someone is killing boards after the first few months(just call it a grace period) then they just need to stop doing data recovery or anything else that might involve hot objects. Soldering is a skill that should be mastered by anyone working with electronic or drives. So go on Joe, solder till you can't solder anymore, then wake up the next day and do it again!!

Just my four cents. :)

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Good call, Dallas. Good call.

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[Joe]

Yes I've tried. But you're saying it works so perhaps I'm not doing it right. I'll contact you next time I have a case like this if that's ok? 

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[Alandata Recovery]

i dont solder if i can use com port.

i think that its unlikely that a  rom can 'kill' a board - its not like some high power device.

i have soldered them backward - no damage

now a blank rom will make a board act dead, but you can still go into boot mode

and write new rom code.

for finding compatible sata usb boards.

I look for a sata with the same processor and rom size.

if you cant find a board then i solder on a sata connector.

all the heads are ripped of and you are going to rebuild it?

if it has 4 SA then you have a better chance.

If it was dropped then its probably also out of alignment

and dings on the platters

let us know how it goes.

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[Tim Homer - Desert Data Recovery]

All of you have to understand that when Dallas started in Data Recovery the earth was still cooling and the excess heat made removing ROM chips much easier. In those days ROM chips were so big you needed an engine winch to remove them. Just sayin’…..

[Dallas Broadway]

Unlikely agreed, but also just as unlikely as killing 6 boards during the process. No offense to you Joe, but a person would have to be having a really bad day to ruin 6 boards in a row. But I was trying to lean towards giving the benefit of doubt approach.

Really Tim? Man that was funny. Besides, I'm pretty sure Alan has several years on me in that regard.

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Dallas,

Yes I've killed a number of boards when I started but not in a long time. I've reused the same donor boards many. I have one which I've used 7 times already and soldering on and off and on every time. (I wonder how many times I can put it under heat before it dies.) I Tried soldering the same the original rom chips off and on just to see if it's the heats that's killing it. They all worked fine until I tried it with my patient ROM chip.

Just so you know, I use an infrared soldering station.

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[Tim Homer - Desert Data Recovery]

I have found a ROM chip reader to be very useful. No matter how good you are, some chips can be hard to remove and with the newer higher temp solder there is a risk of overheating. If I do have to remove a chip, I always read it after as a safety precaution.

 

Here is the one I use, but there are many available.

 

http://www.reveltronics.com/en/products/revelprog-is-serial-memory-programmer-usb

 

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