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Chris Saad
Jan 24, 2008, 5:41:56 AM1/24/08
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I think it might be too early for this group to nominate a rep since
this is the very first thread and no one knows each other :)
Perhaps lets talk about the existing implementation projects out there
like Shared Universe, Higgins, Practical Portability and libraries and
source code that implement the various given standards.
I think this page could be 'owned' by the implementation group:
http://groups.google.com/group/dataportability-public/web/dp-code
Cheers,
Chris
On Jan 24, 6:13 pm, Elias Bizannes <elias.bizan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi everyone
>
> My name is Elias and I am one of the founding members of the
> DataPortability movement. As a member of the Steering action group, I
> thought I might help get the ball rolling for this very important
> group. I believe the implementation group has a major role is helping
> making DP a reality. I suppose it might be a way to provide support
> for how DP can realisticaly achieved?
>
> However, you all might see that as wrong.
>
> Why I am writing, is that we need to generate a roadmap, some purpose,
> and a representation needs to be determined by the 5 February. The
> representative - and you can change that name if you want - can do
> whatever you want them to do, but as a minimum will have a role of
> representing the group in other action groups and most importantly the
> steering group. It's to make sure the entire DP initiative is
> syncronised, and that there are no silos of collaboration.
>
> I'll help with guiding the discussion, although I don't want to
> nominate myself as we need lots of new leaders to come to the front
> and help us pioneer. I also have no idea about the IT development
> cycle, so I am not going to pretend I know what direction you guys
> needs to head.
>
> With regards to the rep, should only one person nominate by the
> deadline, which I have set as the 5 February, they will by default the
> official liason. Should more than two people indicate interest, then
> we will need to determine how that person will be elected.
>
> But without making this akward, you don't need to nominate just yet.
> What I suggest we do, is define a role of the liason for our group,
> and some expectation they will fulfil. Maybe it would help to create
> a roadmap, which will help you understand what the purpose is?
>
> At minimum, we need a liason/representative to be decided by 5
> February. But if we can talk about the other issues, even better!
>
> Regards,
> Elias
this is the very first thread and no one knows each other :)
Perhaps lets talk about the existing implementation projects out there
like Shared Universe, Higgins, Practical Portability and libraries and
source code that implement the various given standards.
I think this page could be 'owned' by the implementation group:
http://groups.google.com/group/dataportability-public/web/dp-code
Cheers,
Chris
On Jan 24, 6:13 pm, Elias Bizannes <elias.bizan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi everyone
>
> My name is Elias and I am one of the founding members of the
> DataPortability movement. As a member of the Steering action group, I
> thought I might help get the ball rolling for this very important
> group. I believe the implementation group has a major role is helping
> making DP a reality. I suppose it might be a way to provide support
> for how DP can realisticaly achieved?
>
> However, you all might see that as wrong.
>
> Why I am writing, is that we need to generate a roadmap, some purpose,
> and a representation needs to be determined by the 5 February. The
> representative - and you can change that name if you want - can do
> whatever you want them to do, but as a minimum will have a role of
> representing the group in other action groups and most importantly the
> steering group. It's to make sure the entire DP initiative is
> syncronised, and that there are no silos of collaboration.
>
> I'll help with guiding the discussion, although I don't want to
> nominate myself as we need lots of new leaders to come to the front
> and help us pioneer. I also have no idea about the IT development
> cycle, so I am not going to pretend I know what direction you guys
> needs to head.
>
> With regards to the rep, should only one person nominate by the
> deadline, which I have set as the 5 February, they will by default the
> official liason. Should more than two people indicate interest, then
> we will need to determine how that person will be elected.
>
> But without making this akward, you don't need to nominate just yet.
> What I suggest we do, is define a role of the liason for our group,
> and some expectation they will fulfil. Maybe it would help to create
> a roadmap, which will help you understand what the purpose is?
>
> At minimum, we need a liason/representative to be decided by 5
> February. But if we can talk about the other issues, even better!
>
> Regards,
> Elias
richard.pendergast
Jan 24, 2008, 7:29:30 AM1/24/08
to DataPortability.Action.Implementation
i dont know about that. i guess it would depend on what you consider a
rep. i agree we dont yet need a leader - theres nothing yet to lead :)
there is however a real need to liaise with the other groups and share
any learnings, and i think thats what elias was talking about.
im actually in the process of ripping off everything good i am finding
in any of the other groups - or at least anything that i feel directly
applies here. there is some good stuff underway, and at this point we
are just looking for seed content more than anything - the ideas that
will get everyone talking. we really do need someone doing this.
there are also several initiatives we should be considering that have
already been discussed fairly extensively elsewhere, such as the
collation of existing implementation projects. this started way back
with graphsync, and has transitioned a couple of times, but has never
really gained traction, which is a bad thing considering it is such an
important demonstration of the practicality of dp.
i think the real issue here is that we have always expected the
projects to come to us. thats not happening at the moment, and so the
next logical step is for us to go to the projects. im happy to do kick
this off, and im sure others would be more than happy to get involved
- i mean apart from anything else, it is a great opportunity to
network, become known, and get to know your peers.
once we get enough projects on the books then we will most likely find
the others coming to us. its the same critical mass thing you get when
kicking off forums or groups or social networks.
0.02
rep. i agree we dont yet need a leader - theres nothing yet to lead :)
there is however a real need to liaise with the other groups and share
any learnings, and i think thats what elias was talking about.
im actually in the process of ripping off everything good i am finding
in any of the other groups - or at least anything that i feel directly
applies here. there is some good stuff underway, and at this point we
are just looking for seed content more than anything - the ideas that
will get everyone talking. we really do need someone doing this.
there are also several initiatives we should be considering that have
already been discussed fairly extensively elsewhere, such as the
collation of existing implementation projects. this started way back
with graphsync, and has transitioned a couple of times, but has never
really gained traction, which is a bad thing considering it is such an
important demonstration of the practicality of dp.
i think the real issue here is that we have always expected the
projects to come to us. thats not happening at the moment, and so the
next logical step is for us to go to the projects. im happy to do kick
this off, and im sure others would be more than happy to get involved
- i mean apart from anything else, it is a great opportunity to
network, become known, and get to know your peers.
once we get enough projects on the books then we will most likely find
the others coming to us. its the same critical mass thing you get when
kicking off forums or groups or social networks.
0.02
Jon
Jan 24, 2008, 10:18:04 AM1/24/08
to DataPortability.Action.Implementation
I think its certainly pertinent to start collecting a listing of code
samples, tutorials, and libraries available for each stack bit. We
should try to aim to only post what are considered to be the "best" or
most widely utilized within each bit/language.
Richard, I'm on board with regards to adopting initiative such as the
collation of existing implementation projects. What I think it most
important is demonstration DP in practical terms to developers, and
the public as a whole.
samples, tutorials, and libraries available for each stack bit. We
should try to aim to only post what are considered to be the "best" or
most widely utilized within each bit/language.
Richard, I'm on board with regards to adopting initiative such as the
collation of existing implementation projects. What I think it most
important is demonstration DP in practical terms to developers, and
the public as a whole.
sebnem
Jan 25, 2008, 10:38:24 AM1/25/08
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Hi everyone,
I wanted to setup a communityEngine (rails-speak) by solely utilizing
what's already out there in the rails plugins pool, and the challange
would be to finish a full-fledged verison in 2 weeks. One friend had
that idea that we'd go fully decentralized - just for fun... in
reasearch of that idea I came along DP. Now, the challange is to
implement the DP reference design at first.
In the process I also came along DiSo (Distributed Social Networks)
have a look at them here: http://code.google.com/p/diso/
As always with a great idea, it spreads like a virus from various
hosts :) Anyway, I will share any problems/solutions that arise on the
practical part of this, and also would love to link to the
communityEngine code, I'm planning to put on launchpad. Most of my
input will, hence, cover the ruby side of life.
All the best,
sebnem
I wanted to setup a communityEngine (rails-speak) by solely utilizing
what's already out there in the rails plugins pool, and the challange
would be to finish a full-fledged verison in 2 weeks. One friend had
that idea that we'd go fully decentralized - just for fun... in
reasearch of that idea I came along DP. Now, the challange is to
implement the DP reference design at first.
In the process I also came along DiSo (Distributed Social Networks)
have a look at them here: http://code.google.com/p/diso/
As always with a great idea, it spreads like a virus from various
hosts :) Anyway, I will share any problems/solutions that arise on the
practical part of this, and also would love to link to the
communityEngine code, I'm planning to put on launchpad. Most of my
input will, hence, cover the ruby side of life.
All the best,
sebnem
Antonio Tapiador del Dujo
Feb 6, 2008, 6:28:43 AM2/6/08
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sebnem, everyone,
I've been working on a Rails plugin that suits very well with this:
http://cmsplugin.rubyforge.org/
Currently it supports basic features, but in the future (near feature if I get
help) it could be a solid base for DP in RoR
Cheers.
sebnem
Feb 6, 2008, 6:51:41 AM2/6/08
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