DataPortability Blog
Brady Brim-DeForest
could use it to make official announcements, publicize events, etc.
Any thoughts? Does one already exist that I just don't know about?
Thanks,
Brady
Elias Bizannes
saying lets go for a decentralised approach with rss feeds, which I
won me over because it was a new way of thinking about it.
The issue was debated again a few weeks ago, and some points were
raised. Mike Reynolds also raised it once.
Chris, Phil, Triona, Mike - I know you all have views on the subject.
Thoughts?
Chris Saad
It is at http://dataportability.tumblr.com
It is feed from the main feed - the same one that feeds the Twitter bot.
Chris
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Jacob Chapel
ago. I think we need to discuss it again.
Jacob Chapel
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Brady Brim-DeForest
Robyn Tippins
Maybe I'm missing the point of a blog. What do we want to accomplish with it?
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Triona
add this as an item for the agenda for this weeks' evangelism group
conference call.
Triona
Brady Brim-DeForest
updated daily, or even weekly, but rather a central location for
official announcements. Right now, there is no such location.
-Brady
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danielabarbosa
chat and based on our last Evangelism call we agreed that we would
would give Brady (since he opened this thread) the duty to gather
thoughts and consensus here so we can move on. So let's add our
thoughts here and nail this down in our next Evanglism call.
My recommendation is that we make this part of the redesign of
dataportability.org - something that is very much needed and i believe
was being spearheaded by Triona along with Phil Wolff and Bob Ngu? I
know we are awaiting for the the final logo to deal with look and feel
but perhaps we can start locking down structure and this idea of
having an 'official' voice is part of that same conversation.
I found this wiki page that seems like a good place for thoughts and
discussion-
http://wiki.dataportability.org/display/dpmain/Website+mockups?focusedCommentId=1116262#comment-1116262
If i recall some of the suggestions over the last few weeks was to
look at something like http://creativecommons.org/ which has a weblog
as well- perhaps there are others as well that we can look at as
examples?
Julian Bond
>My recommendation is that we make this part of the redesign of
>dataportability.org - something that is very much needed and i believe
>was being spearheaded by Triona along with Phil Wolff and Bob Ngu? I
>know we are awaiting for the the final logo to deal with look and feel
>but perhaps we can start locking down structure and this idea of
>having an 'official' voice is part of that same conversation.
DataPortability should absolutely have a blog with half a dozen authors
and about one post a week. It's one of the best strategies for attaining
guru-hood in a field. And ISTM this should be easy to setup with minimum
amounts of concensus, control and governance effort.
On blog style, IDCommons have a 'drupal' site as its official 'blog' but
it is not really driven by the community yet. The problem with that blog
is that it doesn't have a human voice. It's pretty dry and really just a
list of community announcements. http://creativecommons.net/ is closer.
That's a mix of story and announcement. I reckon skypejournal.com is the
sort of thing we should be aiming for.
I can feel an underlying issue though which is, who gets to approve a
proposed entry. I suspect it would end up being whoever had control of
the blog admin, and you get access to blog admin by writing blog
entries. So 5-10 people would end up electing themselves as gatekeepers.
On thing to understand about a group blog is that the individual stories
have individual authors and should be *their* opinion. This reduces the
need for approval and signoff before posting.
As for the relationship with the main home page, I think over time
DataPortability will end up as a Drupal (or equivalent) front and a wiki
back. But that will take some work, money and effort.
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Aaron Cheung
a draft post, and let it receive +1/-1 votes.. when positive votecount reaches
a preset threshold, it's automatically published. Of cos, subject to the usual
caveat of people gaming the system, though not too likely, but will happen..
just a suggestion, /ac.
Julian Bond
>
>Mightbe could be simplified to whoever on the Evangelism group could contribute
>a draft post, and let it receive +1/-1 votes.. when positive votecount reaches
>a preset threshold, it's automatically published. Of cos, subject to the usual
>caveat of people gaming the system, though not too likely, but will happen..
>just a suggestion, /ac.
Drupal used to have a system like that. They may still do.
BTW I see http://dataportability.blogspot.com/ has been taken by what
looks like a Spammer.
Elias Bizannes
Brady Brim-DeForest
onto the agenda at the last Evangelism call. So, lets get this
discussion back on track.
I see the blog as a critical tool in the Evangelism belt.
I move that we standup a Wordpress blog on the dataportability.org
domain (at blog.dataportability.org)
I would be happy to install and configure Wordpress.
Any seconds to that motion?
-Brady
Julian Bond
+1
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Brett McDowell
How about an aggregator of DP loyal bloggers? For an example of what
I'm thinking go and check out www.planetidentity.org which is
dedicated to IdM blogger aggregation (maintained by my friend Pat
Patterson). We could run something similar at
planet.dataportability.org using a similar modus operandi. Just a
suggestion. If you are interested I'll ask Pat about what he's using
to run his aggregator.
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On Apr 22, 2008, at 5:05 AM, Julian Bond wrote:
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> Brady Brim-DeForest <bra...@gmail.com> Mon, 21 Apr 2008 19:01:02
>>
>> This has been a hectic week - but I promised to drag this issue back
Christian Scholz / Tao Takashi (SL)
+1, but also...
How about an aggregator of DP loyal bloggers? For an example of what
I'm thinking go and check out www.planetidentity.org which is
dedicated to IdM blogger aggregation (maintained by my friend Pat
Patterson). We could run something similar at
planet.dataportability.org using a similar modus operandi. Just a
suggestion. If you are interested I'll ask Pat about what he's using
to run his aggregator.
+1 to aggregator and blog. Software used for the planet is usually planetplanet. I am running two of them for
Second Life bloggers (http://planet.worldofsl.com and http://fashionplanet.worldofsl.com).
So if some help in setting it up is needed I am happy to help (just need some access of course).
cheers,
Christian
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On Apr 22, 2008, at 5:05 AM, Julian Bond wrote:
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> Brady Brim-DeForest <bra...@gmail.com> Mon, 21 Apr 2008 19:01:02
>>
>> This has been a hectic week - but I promised to drag this issue back
>> onto the agenda at the last Evangelism call. So, lets get this
>> discussion back on track.
>>
>> I see the blog as a critical tool in the Evangelism belt.
>>
>> I move that we standup a Wordpress blog on the dataportability.org
>> domain (at blog.dataportability.org)
>>
>> I would be happy to install and configure Wordpress.
>>
>> Any seconds to that motion?
>
> +1
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Brady Brim-DeForest
at: http://dataportability.tumblr.com/
I could be mistaken though...
-Brady
Christian Scholz / Tao Takashi (SL)
Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe we are running a aggregator
at: http://dataportability.tumblr.com/
I think this is more a manual feed of high profile stuff (choosen by Chris, put in his magnolia and fed into tumblr).
-- Christian
Phil Wolff
You can see an example at http://wiki.dataportability.org home page.
"Add News" creates a blog page, stored chronologically.
The {blog-posts} markup adds a list of entries on any page.
Examples from the blog-posts documentation...
{blog-posts:5} = last five posts
{blog-posts:5|content=excerpts} just the excerpts (about 50 words)
{blog-posts:5|content=titles} just the titles
{blog-posts:time=7d} just the last seven days
{blog-posts:15|time=14d|content=excerpts} combine attributes
{blog-posts:labels=confluence,atlassian} include blog entries with any of these tags
{blog-posts:labels=atlassian,confluence,content|match-labels=all} include blog entries with all of these tags
- phil
Chris Saad
This will be linked directly from the new front page.
How are you going with that Phil?
Chris
Brady Brim-DeForest
I'm still convinced that a blog for official announcements will be a
very valuable part of our communications and marketing tool-belt.
The wiki blog feature is convenient and useful for rapid-fire updates,
but it doesn't support things like trackbacks, commenting, and pinging
of update services – which means that we are not creating an
environment that is conducive to dialogue across the blogosphere.
Personally, I think that we need both.
-Brady
Julian Bond
>I'm still convinced that a blog for official announcements will be a
>very valuable part of our communications and marketing tool-belt.
>
>The wiki blog feature is convenient and useful for rapid-fire updates,
>but it doesn't support things like trackbacks, commenting, and pinging
>of update services – which means that we are not creating an
>environment that is conducive to dialogue across the blogosphere.
>
>Personally, I think that we need both.
+1 to that.
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Elias Bizannes
The planet aggregator is a great idea. Is there any reason we can't?
Tumbleblog is simply an output of the RSS feed. Planet should be a
reflection of the active participants of DP - everyone above should be
seen as a voice of DP externally as they put in just as much work as
anyone else.
As for setting up a blog, if we are setting up an institution it needs
to be devoid of any one personality. I don't like the idea of yet
another blog as RSS feeds provide a decentralised means of doing so,
but for the sake of the point I mention, lets set one up.
So seeing as the majority are pushing for this lets set up a taskforce
that will look at our external communications, encompassing the
aggregator issue and the blog issue.
I would like someone else to put their hand up as the lead for this
taskforce. Happy to support it to get it moving like I had to with the
logo competition, but I don't want to have to chair it unless I have
to. Experience from the logo competition is that we need two leads, so
the more the merrier.
Takers?
Join the google group to continue this discussion, lets put this to
bed as the issue won't go away until we solve it:
http://groups.google.com/group/dataportabilitycommunications
Brady Brim-DeForest
Just joined the group.
Thanks for setting it up,
Brady
Julian Bond
>The planet aggregator is a great idea. Is there any reason we can't?
>Tumbleblog is simply an output of the RSS feed. Planet should be a
>reflection of the active participants of DP - everyone above should be
>seen as a voice of DP externally as they put in just as much work as
>anyone else.
>
>As for setting up a blog, if we are setting up an institution it needs
>to be devoid of any one personality. I don't like the idea of yet
>another blog as RSS feeds provide a decentralised means of doing so,
>but for the sake of the point I mention, lets set one up.
I'm not sure why this is hard. Maybe it's misunderstandings.
I think it's quite important that DP has a group blog that provides a
human voice. It should be a completely conventional Wordpress or MT or
Blogger (or whatever) blog. Individual posts should be from a real
person and represent that person's point of view, not necessarily a
formally approved DP view. I picture between 2 and 10 people
contributing a total of 1-10 posts per week.
Part of the problem here seems to be about who owns it, who decides what
posts get accepted and who decides who's allowed to post. If it really
is impossible to "just do it", then maybe the blog should be formally
independent of DP ("Friends of DP") and then the problem gets offloaded
to whoever actually starts the blog. Look here at the difference between
the Official Skype blogs (signed off by a marketing dept) and
Skype-Journal (signed off by the small group of guys who just went ahead
and built it anyway). One possible alternative is to build it with a
tool that supports voting on submissions. eg. Drupal. but that's a lot
of work to setup.
Automatic RSS feed driven versions are a useful thing to have but it's
not the same and not what we're talking about. And frankly, they only
really work if there's a human editor. At that point you're into exactly
the same procedure problems of deciding who are the editors. I don't
particularly like the current Tumblr list because; it doesn't look like
a blog; it doesn't show full posts; it's produced by Chris on his own;
there's no mechanism for other people to play editor. (if that's not
true, just say!)
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Elias Bizannes
corporate environment, people need to get other people's buy-in to get
things off the ground.
The difference between the two environments, is merely a factor of the
number of people. The bigger the organisation, the more "buy-in" you
need from other people. I am noticing a lot of the start-up/self-
employed people getting frustrated, but to me it was inevitable as
more people got involved with DataPortability.
So creating subgroups, is the only way we can reconcile these two
styles of working without alienating each other - delagate the process
& authority to the sub-group, and keep that small team focused on the
task to be dynamic in their decision making. Everything you state
Julian, is fair. But there are another ten people who have different
opinions. Creating the communications group is a recognition we need
to do something - let's work it out there because as you show, the
devil is in the details. Yes anyone could just create their own DP
blog community (Bob Ngu has created his own blog ungeeking DP or DaPo
as he calls it), but we are not here to do that as we are working
together as an organisation.
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