Great work on the Vision, but I think that one more rev is needed before we can adopt

[Steven Greenberg]

Overall, I think that this is excellent work and want to commend Elias and team for what they've produced.  I have a few, small quibbles but I don't feel comfortable voting "yes" until they're addressed.

• Change "continuity of utility and experience".  Sites put a lot of effort into their "experience" as a differentiator, and might not want continuity.
  
• Remove the "definitions" section.  It does nothing but limit us, and gets us nothing.  Perfectly reasonable to have on the site somewhere, but not as part of the mission/vision statement.
• "Users' rights over data"?   Can we change this to "control"?
  

    Regards,
    Steve

PS - I don't want to go the "vote yes and we'll fix it later" route like we did with governance.  It just made things harder.

[Steven Greenberg]

On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 10:27 AM, Elias Bizannes <elias.b...@gmail.com> wrote:

Thanks Steve

My perspective before I change it (as chair, I have the right to make final edits to this proposal any time up until the vote).

"continuity of utility and experience": I recognise your point here, but this should be read like the Schengen treaty in Europe where a traveler has continuity of experience traveling Europe without their passports being checked. Can you think of a better way to express this point?

I think that your "borderless" approach is solid gold.  What if you just stick with movement as the metaphor?  Thus...

"Data portability enables a borderless experience where users move easily between websites and network services, bringing with them the data they've already provided."

[Brady Brim-DeForest]

Thanks for all of the hard work on this Elias et. al.

One minor grammatical change:

"The new freedom empowers users to move between systems while
similarly enables services to better serve them" (Section 1,
paragraph 4), should read: "The new freedom empowers users to move
between systems while similarly ENABLING services to better serve
them"

-Brady

[Elias Bizannes]

Brady: thanks, corrected

Steve (Greenberg): Thank you for your feedback. Based on our Skype discussion, I have made amendments, which we mutually agree on. For everyone else, that is:

1) The definitions being removed from the official vision. I will be putting this to a separate vote, outside of the vision

2) the first sentence of the preamble has been modified using other terminology that appears minor but is a vast improvement in accuracy truer to our mission.

--
Elias Bizannes
http://liako.biz

[Brady Brim-DeForest]

Something about 'reusing data they've already provided' is a bit choppy.

How about "Data portability enables a borderless experience, where
users move easily between websites and network services, reusing their
existing data without the burden of reentry."

In the next paragraph, ("within the context and control of the
identity profiles and content repositories"), whose 'identity profiles
and content repositories' are they?

Can I suggest the following changes (pure wordsmithing, not changes to
meaning or intent):

For the End User
"Cross-system data access, interoperability, and portability allow
users to move from system to system within the context and control of
their identity profiles and content repositories. This seamless
experience empowers users to control access to their networked
profiles, friendship information, conversations, files, and
experiential histories that can be shared with minimal effort, fully
realizing the unique value and capabilities of each system and service
they use. While moving easily between them, data and experience
accumulates, inevitably enhancing the value of the aggregate
information without extra or duplicate effort."

For the Service Provider
"Users of an enabled service bring their networked profiles,
friendship information, conversations, files, and experiential
histories with them, without requiring redundant input or the manual
porting of data. Services are thus empowered to immediately deliver
service tailored to each user. As users travel from system to system,
their activities accumulate and the resulting information augments
their service-specific experience. While remaining under the user's
control, the user-service relationship remains relevant and encourages
continued usage.

"This is a new way to approach networked relationships. This freedom
empowers users to move between systems while similarly enabling
services to better serve them. Frictionless, fast, and free-flowing
movement through the network of services prevents data lock-in and
builds toward a stronger and healthier networked ecosystem."

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Other notes:

In the Mission/Vision section, I think that using the words 'data
portability' under Vision, and 'data interoperability' under Mission
is confusing. I would argue that both should read as 'data
portability'

Under 'Principles,' I can't help but feel like we are missing some
core principles that explain our mandate to empower user's rights in
this space. Right now, the 'Principles' read as operational
guidelines, and not 'Principles' that guide and support our core
mission.

--
Brady Brim-DeForest
www.brimdeforest.com

[Elias Bizannes]

On "reusing data" I'll leave Steve argue on that one.

I like your other edits, it reads well.

I think interoperability needs to stay, because data portability is the verb to do, but the end result of it is increased user rights and better interoperability. "Data Portability" is the means to other things. But if others agree with Brady, I'm listening.

Agreed about principles, but we can always add to them in the future. No one put forward any so I simply stuck to what has been previously listed as principles (ie, it's nothing new).

[Elias Bizannes]

Oh and for the question about identity profiles and repositories, it's under the heading of "end-users" and so the personal pronoun applies to them

[Brady Brim-DeForest]

Absolutely - purely a grammatical question – which I redundantly fixed
in the edits after asking you :)

[Phil Wolff]

So, in your opinion, how well does this document successfully answer the questions: 

- Why does dp.org exist?

- What is our purpose? 

- How do we serve our purpose? 

- How do we measure our accomplishment? 

- Why should I care? How do this matter to me and the world? 

- What assumptions about the future inform our vision?

- Will this vision endure changes in personnel and the passage of time?